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In a full trust in our reconciliation, we can walk in the Spirit, and in so doing, not do the works of the flesh.
I've got to go right now. I'll be happy to share with you when I'm back, if you wish, concerning walking in the Spirit, and not committing sins, at least, to the degree that God has matured us.
Much love!
They were not like us.
Eve was deceived, so if you want to compare us with others, I'd suggest Adam.
Much love!
Michiah-Imla
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Why?
“…Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.” (1 Timothy 2:14)
Ziggy
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Shouldn't we know how we are to be able to see ourselves, Ziggy?
The only way to be seen right with God, is by loving God and loving others, through faith on in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Yeshua Christ. It is his righteousness that allows us to be seen (right with God and to be able to have peace with God because of his righteousness) as Children of God, or Sons and daughters of God (Living by the spirit). To know oneself is at least to look honestly at who you are, and Jesus very well points those things out through the Gospels of Mark, Luke, Matthew, and John.
God sees us as human beings, his creations, but he desires to see us as his children, who call out to him and are in need and he is desirous to help us through this life by the spirit. To me personally I see past life experience through observance based on actions taken by yourself, and others to be a good reflective point, to see how far God has taken a person from their old former ways, and take note of their identity of who they are by their fleshly nature and understand what they do, and understand their new spiritual nature and what the Holy Spirit and the spirit of Christ does for them, which is not of themselves other than their choice to, seek, believe, know God, and abide in the Lord.
The only way to be seen right with God, is by loving God and loving others, through faith on in the death, burial and resurrection of the Lord Yeshua Christ. It is his righteousness that allows us to be seen (right with God and to be able to have peace with God because of his righteousness) as Children of God, or Sons and daughters of God (Living by the spirit). To know oneself is at least to look honestly at who you are, and Jesus very well points those things out through the Gospels of Mark, Luke, Matthew, and John.
God sees us as human beings, his creations, but he desires to see us as his children, who call out to him and are in need and he is desirous to help us through this life by the spirit. To me personally I see past life experience through observance based on actions taken by yourself, and others to be a good reflective point, to see how far God has taken a person from their old former ways, and take note of their identity of who they are by their fleshly nature and understand what they do, and understand their new spiritual nature and what the Holy Spirit and the spirit of Christ does for them, which is not of themselves other than their choice to, seek, believe, know God, and abide in the Lord.
Ziggy
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By all means,
We should check our fruit daily to make sure it doesn't sour.
Jesus is the standard we aught to strive to achieve. We fall short. God knows that.
But we that believe have those things which we lack covered by the grace of God through Jesus' blood.
He is our "skin".. our "covering"
We may not be able to see the fulfillment of that state of being, but I believe God does.
And we should progress to a stage where that which is on the inside reflects that which is on the outside.
Both are spiritual in nature, but we are carnal and still look through carnal eyes with carnal understanding.
So yes, we should be able to witness to changes in ourselves, as we are witnesses of Him in us.
But there is a transitional period we all go through called life.
And during this walk of life, changes in oneself should become manifest to the world around us.
And yet it's not about how the world sees us, but how God sees our heart.
If your not seeing the changes in yourself... then maybe you need to check your GPS and see if it's giving you wrong directions.
Hugs
Amen, and God forgives us our sins and promises to forget them if we but turn our gaze towards his son Jesus with faith, but this still does not address the question of how we see ourselves.
For example: Imagine you are placed in a quiet and peaceful room all by yourself with every creature comfort you could want with the exception of company. At first it might be nice to unwind but eventually you will become stir crazy with boredom. If left alone long enough even the most beautiful and relaxing place will become torturous. Now, imagine you - as you currently are - find yourself in Heaven. At first you may be overjoyed to be among God and the saints, but eventually the sin you carry with you will manifest in some fashion. Obviously God can't accept that since he does not abide sin, so one of two things must happen: either you leave his presence or the sin currently within you leaves his (and by extension your) presence.
So again I have to wonder, what does a human being look like without sin? The only one who fits that bill is Jesus himself, so for Heaven to be filled with untold additional human souls those human souls must be changed, possibly fundamentally. What that would look like eludes me. I imagine a reality without separation, where every soul literally knows the thoughts and feelings of every other soul. Only in this way would love abound, since to not love would be excruciatingly painful, and I suppose this is perhaps what union with God means.
dhh712
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All I do know is that I can't wait for it to happen. The weight of sin in the world and in myself is just very wearisome. I just want to go to church and stay there and not have to go back out in the world and get all annoyed and full of worldly thoughts and sorrowful.
I take my cue in regards to our resurrected bodies from the description of Jesus after his resurrection. Others recognized him once he gave them eyes to see him. So, I think we will be able to recognize ourselves and each other.
I sure wish I could be that way right now. But, sin remains outside of me and still within though God has made me a new creature in our Lord Jesus who can now appreciate the goodness of God and his word. Now I actually can do good unto the Lord and take great joy in doing that.
Those who die "in Christ" are deemed to be as righteous as Christ through the imputed righteousness which God gives when He justifies someone. Therefore when they are resurrected, they are also perfected in body, soul, and spirit (1 John 3:1-3). Therefore John says that while on earth they "purify" themselves by practicing righteousness.
Ziggy
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Somewhere in that mix between being human and being "in heaven" , I believe is a thing called Ego.
I live by myself for the last 6 years with an occasional visit from my dad.
I have to live with my self.
To me it's more torturous when I have company, lol, but that's just me.
So, this "sin" is the burden that we leave at the door of the cross and don't look back.
Now if every soul has left it's burden of sin behind, and your still carrying yours with you,
then there is one thing lacking....
Faith.
Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Isa 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
What does it mean to be devoured by the sword?
I believe it means your conscience will haunt you and you will become a burden to yourself.
There are carnal sins and there is spiritual sin.
I believe spiritual sin is when someone doesn't have belief in God.
John says: Sin is the transgression of the law.
What law?
Thou shalt love God with all your heart mind and soul.
How can you love God if you don't believe that he is?
When you get to heaven... which you aint gettin there without belief and faith to begin with,
then your sin, from the day that you believe is washed away.
What remains is bringing your daily walk in alignment with the way God tells us is in our best interest, that's His way.
If you see someone at the banquet table and they don't have belief or faith, they get booted out the door.
Mat 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
Mat 22:9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
Mat 22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
Mat 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
Mat 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Only the faithless and unbelieving are outside the city, amen?
When the servants went out to the highway to gather people for the wedding,
I can imagine the invitation went something like:
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
And both those that were righteous and were sinners, accepted the invitation.
They believed.
Except one guy who figured he didn't need to believe, or have faith, or trust God.
He figured he just belonged there, maybe because he was relying on his ancestry with Abraham through the flesh.
If you don't have belief and faith, your not getting into heaven.
And it's the ignorance and doubt we leave at the foot of the cross.
And whatsoever is not of faith, is sin.
And when you get to heaven, everybody else there will also be believers and faithful servants.
Because that's the ticket to the invitation to the wedding.
I hope this helps..
Hugs
I live by myself for the last 6 years with an occasional visit from my dad.
I have to live with my self.
To me it's more torturous when I have company, lol, but that's just me.
So, this "sin" is the burden that we leave at the door of the cross and don't look back.
Now if every soul has left it's burden of sin behind, and your still carrying yours with you,
then there is one thing lacking....
Faith.
Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Isa 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
What does it mean to be devoured by the sword?
I believe it means your conscience will haunt you and you will become a burden to yourself.
There are carnal sins and there is spiritual sin.
I believe spiritual sin is when someone doesn't have belief in God.
John says: Sin is the transgression of the law.
What law?
Thou shalt love God with all your heart mind and soul.
How can you love God if you don't believe that he is?
When you get to heaven... which you aint gettin there without belief and faith to begin with,
then your sin, from the day that you believe is washed away.
What remains is bringing your daily walk in alignment with the way God tells us is in our best interest, that's His way.
If you see someone at the banquet table and they don't have belief or faith, they get booted out the door.
Mat 22:8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
Mat 22:9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
Mat 22:10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
Mat 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
Mat 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Only the faithless and unbelieving are outside the city, amen?
When the servants went out to the highway to gather people for the wedding,
I can imagine the invitation went something like:
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
And both those that were righteous and were sinners, accepted the invitation.
They believed.
Except one guy who figured he didn't need to believe, or have faith, or trust God.
He figured he just belonged there, maybe because he was relying on his ancestry with Abraham through the flesh.
If you don't have belief and faith, your not getting into heaven.
And it's the ignorance and doubt we leave at the foot of the cross.
And whatsoever is not of faith, is sin.
And when you get to heaven, everybody else there will also be believers and faithful servants.
Because that's the ticket to the invitation to the wedding.
I hope this helps..
Hugs
Romans 5
18 Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. 19 For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man’s obedience many will be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, 21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
It seems to me a matter of perspective.
Paul talks about how we are to die to sin, as Ziggy mentioned there is carnal sin, and also spiritual sin, some sins lead to death spiritually.
Anything that is not of faith is sin, thus anything not having love for God first and love for others is naturally a failure, but even when we are faithless, God is faithful. (John 15)
He is always there to tell our faults and problems too, even in help of getting out of certain carnal sins to have a better and more productive life living for God and serving him over ourselves, to Love God first and to love others.
As Angelina posted, we are made right by faith but those very few scripture verses fail in comparison to the whole scope of the Bible and what it also suggest about how problems and trails help us endure and it produces character, and then you have Romans 6 which talks about Sins power is broken for us as believers today.
To be dead in Christ is to be dead to sin (even carnal mentioning founded in Colossians 3, to put of wrath, malice, anger and put on Christ mercy, love, patience). To be alive in Christ is to allow The Spirit of the resurrected Christ to live through you.
The Bible is where a person is going to learn a lot more a lot quicker if they put in the time and effort to really learn scriptures, when it comes to heaven all I know is my hope is to be the Father and Yeshua and to be able to have some work to do when getting there (perhaps helping those outside the kingdom) and to hope God rewards me justly when I die and leave this life. (As well as many others who have came and went in this life as God is a just and fair, and Good God who is love).
Paul talks about how we are to die to sin, as Ziggy mentioned there is carnal sin, and also spiritual sin, some sins lead to death spiritually.
Anything that is not of faith is sin, thus anything not having love for God first and love for others is naturally a failure, but even when we are faithless, God is faithful. (John 15)
He is always there to tell our faults and problems too, even in help of getting out of certain carnal sins to have a better and more productive life living for God and serving him over ourselves, to Love God first and to love others.
As Angelina posted, we are made right by faith but those very few scripture verses fail in comparison to the whole scope of the Bible and what it also suggest about how problems and trails help us endure and it produces character, and then you have Romans 6 which talks about Sins power is broken for us as believers today.
To be dead in Christ is to be dead to sin (even carnal mentioning founded in Colossians 3, to put of wrath, malice, anger and put on Christ mercy, love, patience). To be alive in Christ is to allow The Spirit of the resurrected Christ to live through you.
The Bible is where a person is going to learn a lot more a lot quicker if they put in the time and effort to really learn scriptures, when it comes to heaven all I know is my hope is to be the Father and Yeshua and to be able to have some work to do when getting there (perhaps helping those outside the kingdom) and to hope God rewards me justly when I die and leave this life. (As well as many others who have came and went in this life as God is a just and fair, and Good God who is love).
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"Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be,..."
"...but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is." 1 John 3:2 NKJV
If I gave an answer it would only be speculation so I'll just say I will be happy.
Bob Estey
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Who or what are you? Great question...great thread.
Who are we in regard to God?
Who are we in Christ?
We are not at all "ourselves" in God. We find our true self...a much humbler self...within Christ.
When the outer man is crucified we are left with the part of us that is created in God's image. Weaker, more appreciative...more in awe and wonder, then we allow ourselves to be when we are covered by the flesh.
We come under Christ...to be covered by Him and His righteousness in order to find our true self.....our eternal self. This is about being either our temporal self (much of which limits us to what we are in this world)...or our eternal self (unlimited by time and space).
That transition from the temporal reality (death) to life is by faith OF Christ. It is the best kept secret in the world. It is the mystery of faith and the gospel...that we can be translated into the eternal realm of the Kingdom.
