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1. Spiritual DNa is you rmade up woprd so it is an irrelavent concept. It appears no where in Scripture.

And your four examples fail to show that the Old Covenant was for the strangers nations. It applied to the individual "stranger" that joins with Israel. IOW become a proselyte to Judaism

Your argument actually bolsters the Judaizers argument in Galatians, that in order to benefit from teh blessing God gave Israel, Gentiles had to bewcome a jew! Paul nixed that.

Pick a better argument- for this one argues the opposite of what you are trying to say.

there is no nations mentioned here, just strangers who became proselytes

"Trinity" is a made up word so it is an irrelevant concept. It appears nowhere in Scripture.
I never neglect to explain that my coined expression "spiritual DNA" refers to faith and obedience. Apparently you're unable to understand that.
But then, neither could the pharisees understand Jesus when He spoke figuratively.
And the word "spiritual" does not exist in the df vocabulary.
Do you believe that faith and obedience are irrelevant concepts appearing nowhere in Scripture?

What happened when the strangers returned to their own nations? Did God revoke His Covenant with them?
God is not a racist.
Stop trying to make Him one.

By the way, do you believe that spell and grammar checkers are of the devil?
 
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Well if you read teh real bible it does. Ez. 20, Jer. 31 and Zech 13 all save that at one point in time, all suvuvung Jews (Zech. places it at 1/3 of all Jews who entered the time of Jacob's Trouble or the trib) will be saved. Paul reiterated it in rom. 11.
If you read all the Bible Prophesies, you would see that the House of Judah faces destruction.
Isaiah 3:1-9 The Lord is about to strip Judah of every prop and support, all of their leaders, generals and counsellors will lose their positions. I shall appoint inexperienced people to positions of authority. Oppression and arrogance will stalk the Land and there will be severe shortages of food and water.
Judah is brought low, for in word and deed, they defy the Lord. The look on their faces testifies against them. Like Sodom, they parade their sins. Woe betide them, they have earned the disaster that will strike them.


Isaiah 3:10-11 Happy are the righteous. All goes well with them. Woe to the wicked, disaster is upon them. My people, those who guide you are leading you astray.

Isaiah 3:13-26 The Lord stands up to judge His people. He opens the indictment against the elders and leaders; it is you who have ruined My vineyard. You have crushed My people and oppressed the poor.
You women of Zion; I will take away your finery, instead of coifed hair, you will be bald.
Your men will fall by the sword of the Lord, as in battle. Judah’s defences are stripped
bare, laid flat to the ground.
Isaiah 22:2 & 8 & 14…your slain did not fall by the sword, as in battle….and the mainstays of Judah’s defences are removed. Your wickedness will never be removed, you will die for your sins. .
 

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Applying Strong/Thayer to Galatians 6:16 :

And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, in short, upon the Israel of God.

There's no long after the short.

The Israel of God.

But "in short" does not belong at all. Strong, Thayers et al. all agree.
 

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"Trinity" is a made up word so it is an irrelevant concept. It appears nowhere in Scripture.
I never neglect to explain that my coined expression "spiritual DNA" refers to faith and obedience. Apparently you're unable to understand that.
But then, neither could the pharisees understand Jesus when He spoke figuratively.
And the word "spiritual" does not exist in the df vocabulary.
Do you believe that faith and obedience are irrelevant concepts appearing nowhere in Scripture?

What happened when the strangers returned to their own nations? Did God revoke His Covenant with them?
God is not a racist.
Stop trying to make Him one.

By the way, do you believe that spell and grammar checkers are of the devil?

YOur false accusation of me making ?God racist is juvenile.

DNA is a code that makes us us. Faith and obedience are things we do! So your coined phrase is wrong. Trinity is a made up word but it accurately describes who God is.

And Covenantee, your figurative language is not close to Jesus!

What is "df" anyway?

If it is your ad-hominem meaning "dispensational fantasy" once again you are caught in a lie!
 

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If you read all the Bible Prophesies, you would see that the House of Judah faces destruction.
Isaiah 3:1-9 The Lord is about to strip Judah of every prop and support, all of their leaders, generals and counsellors will lose their positions. I shall appoint inexperienced people to positions of authority. Oppression and arrogance will stalk the Land and there will be severe shortages of food and water.
Judah is brought low, for in word and deed, they defy the Lord. The look on their faces testifies against them. Like Sodom, they parade their sins. Woe betide them, they have earned the disaster that will strike them.


Isaiah 3:10-11 Happy are the righteous. All goes well with them. Woe to the wicked, disaster is upon them. My people, those who guide you are leading you astray.

Isaiah 3:13-26 The Lord stands up to judge His people. He opens the indictment against the elders and leaders; it is you who have ruined My vineyard. You have crushed My people and oppressed the poor.
You women of Zion; I will take away your finery, instead of coifed hair, you will be bald.
Your men will fall by the sword of the Lord, as in battle. Judah’s defences are stripped
bare, laid flat to the ground.
Isaiah 22:2 & 8 & 14…your slain did not fall by the sword, as in battle….and the mainstays of Judah’s defences are removed. Your wickedness will never be removed, you will die for your sins. .

And if you read the Scriptures without those black glasses, you would see that He also said He would restore them again ! I have no problem with their casting aside, it is biblical. I also don't have a problem with their restoration, for that is just as biblical. You cannot accept it for yo have had bad teaching and now hold a strong anti-semite view of Scripture.
 

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But "in short" does not belong at all. Strong, Thayers et al. all agree.
Complete vacuous incomprehension.

They don't agree with you.

If "in short" does not belong at all, why does it appear in the definition, specifically applicable to Galatians 6:16?

I've previously explicitly provided the links and quoted the applicable definition verbatim. Here they are again. Are you having trouble seeing or understanding "in short" ?

2532 [e]
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"c. it joins to partitive words the general notion; so that it is equivalent to and in general, and in a word, in short: ὁ Πέτρος καί οἱ ἀπόστολοι, Acts 5:29; οἱ ἀρχιερεῖς (καί οἱ πρεσβύτεροι Rec.) καί τό συνέδριον ὅλον, Matthew 26:59; καί δικαιώμασι σαρκός, Hebrews 9:10 Rec. Tr brackets WH marginal reading; καί ἐπί τόν Ἰσραήλ τοῦ Θεοῦ, Galatians 6:16"
 
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Trinity is a made up word but it accurately describes who God is.

Yes, in df-land, faith and obedience have nothing to do with God.

And Covenantee, your figurative language is not close to Jesus!

Never did I say that it was. But in common with the pharisees, df is entirely incapable of understanding any spiritual metaphor.
 

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Complete vacuous incomprehension.

They don't agree with you.

If "in short" does not belong at all, why does it appear in the definition, specifically applicable to Galatians 6:16?

I've previously explicitly provided the links and quoted the applicable definition verbatim. Here they are again. Are you having trouble seeing or understanding "in short" ?

2532 [e]
kai
καὶ
and
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"c. it joins to partitive words the general notion; so that it is equivalent to and in general, and in a word, in short: ὁ Πέτρος καί οἱ ἀπόστολοι, Acts 5:29; οἱ ἀρχιερεῖς (καί οἱ πρεσβύτεροι Rec.) καί τό συνέδριον ὅλον, Matthew 26:59; καί δικαιώμασι σαρκός, Hebrews 9:10 Rec. Tr brackets WH marginal reading; καί ἐπί τόν Ἰσραήλ τοῦ Θεοῦ, Galatians 6:16"


YOu should read your cites first before trying to use them as a defense. Setting Galatians 6 asside all th e others are definitely speaking of either two groups of people or items. Galatians 6 follows the same pattern.

Galatians 6:16
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16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Peace and mercy are two separate things bestowed.

STRONGS G2532:
καί, a conjunction, and; the most frequent by far of all the particles in the N. T. (On its uses see Winers Grammar, § 53, 3ff; Buttmann, 361 (310ff), and cf. Ellicott on Philippians 4:12; on the difference between it and τέ see under the word τέ at the beginning)
I. It serves as a copulative i. e. to connect (Latin et, atque, German und);
1. it connects single words or terms:
a. universally, as οἱ Φαρισαῖοι καί Σαδδουκαῖοι, Matthew 16:1; ὁ Θεός καί πατήρ, he who is God and Father (see Θεός, 3); ἐν καρδία καλή καί ἀγαθή, Luke 8:15; πολυμερῶς καί πολυτρόπως, Hebrews 1:1; it is repeated before single terms, to each of which its own force and weight is thus given: ἡ υἱοθεσία καί ἡ δόξα καί αἱ διαθῆκαι καί ἡ νομοθεσία καί ἡ λατρεία καί αἱ ἐπαγγελίαιt, Romans 9:4; ἁτια καί διακαια καί ἀγαθή, Romans 7:12; add, Matthew 23:23; Luke 14:21; John 16:8; Acts 15:20, 29; Acts 21:25; Hebrews 9:10; Revelation 5:12; Revelation 18:12f; cf. Winers Grammar, 519f (484).........


eover, (German noch) (cf. Winers Grammar, § 53, 3 a. at the end; especially Krüger, § 69, 32, 16): τί καί βαπτίζονται; (A. V. why then etc.), 1
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3. It annexes epexegetically both words and sentences (καί epexegetical or 'explicative'), so that it is equivalent to and indeed, namely (Winer's Grammar, § 53, 3 e.; cf. § 66, 7 at the end): χάριν καί ἀποστολήν, Romans 1:5, where cf. Fritzsche; περί ἐλπίδος καί ἀναστάσεως νεκρῶν, Acts 23:6; πολλά... καί ἑτέρα, Luke 3:18; πολλά... καί ἀλλά σημεῖα, John 20:30; πολλά καί βαρέα αἰτιώματαa, Acts 25:7; πολλοί καί ἀνυπότακτοι, Titus 1:10 (R G; on the preceding use of καί cf. πολύς, d. α. at the end); καί (L brackets καί) ὅταν ἀπαρθῇ, and indeed (i. e. viz.) when he shall be taken away etc. Luke 5:35 (others find here an aposiopesis; cf. Meyer at the passage (edited by Weiss)); καί χάριν, ἀντί χάριτος, John 1:16; καί περισσόν ἔχωσιν, John 10:10, add 33 (where the words καί ὅτι κτλ. show what kind of blasphemy is meant); Acts 5:21 (on which see γερουσία); Romans 2:15 (where καί μεταξύ κτλ. adds an explanation respecting the testimony of conscience); 1 Corinthians 3:5; 1 Corinthians 15:38, etc.; cf. Bornemann, Scholia, p. 38; Fritzsche, Quaest. Lucian, p. 9ff; so the Latin et in Cicero, Tusc. 3, 20, 48 laudat, et saepe, virtutem; pro Mil. 25 te enim jam appello et ea voce ut me exaudire possis; cf. Ramshorn, Latin Gram. ii., p. 809; (Harpers' Latin Dict. under the word et, II. A.); equivalent to and indeed, to make a climax, for and besides: καί ἀκατάκριτον, Acts 22:25; καί τοῦτον ἐσταυρωμένον, 1 Corinthians 2:2; καί τοῦτο, Latin idque (Cicero, off. 1, 1, 1 te... audientem Cratippum idque Athenis), our and this, and that, and that too, equivalent to especially: Romans 13:11; 1 Corinthians 6:6, and L T Tr WH in 8 (4 Macc. 14:9); also καί ταῦτα (common in Greek writings), 1 Corinthians 6:8 Rec.; Hebrews 11:12; cf. Klotz, Devar. i., p. 108; it. 2, p. 652f; (cf. Winer's Grammar, 162 (153)).
4. it connects whole narratives and expositions, and thus forms a transition to new matters: Matthew 4:23; Matthew 8:14, 23, 28; Matthew 9:1, 9, 27, 35; Matthew 10:1; Mark 5:1, 21; Mark 6:1, 6; Luke 8:26; John 1:19 (cf. John 1:15); 1 John 1:4, etc.; especially in the very common καί ἐγένετο, Matthew 7:28; Luke 7:11; Luke 8:1
etc. (see γίνομαι, 2 b.).
5. καί... καί, a repetition which indicates that of two things one takes place no less than the other: both... and, as well... as, not only... but also (Winer's Grammar, § 53, 4): it serves to correlate — not only single terms, as καί (L brackets καί) ψυχήν καί σῶμα, Matthew 10:28; add, Mark 4:41; John 4:36 (here Tr WH omit first καί); Romans 11:33; Philippians 2:13; Philippians 4:12, etc.; καί ἐν ὀλίγῳ καί πολλῷ (L T Tr WH μεγάλῳ) both with little effort and with great (but see μέγας, 1 a. γ. at the end), Acts 26:29; but also clauses and sentences, as Mark 9:13; John 7:28; John 9:37; John 12:28; 1 Corinthians 1:22; and even things that are contrasted (cf. Winers Grammar, as above; Buttmann, § 149, 8 b.): John 15:24; Acts 23:3; καί... καί οὐ, Luke 5:36; John 6:36; now... now, Mark 9:22; καί οὐ... καί, John 17:25.
6. τέ... καί, see τέ, 2.
 

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In English grammar, a partitive is a word or phrase (such as "some of" or "a slice of") that indicates a part or quantity of something as distinct from a whole. A partitive is also called "partitive noun" or "partitive noun phrase" and is from the Latin "partitus," meaning "relating to a part. Partitives can appear before mass (or noncount) nouns as well as count nouns. Although most partitive constructions refer to a quantity or amount, some are used to indicate quality or behavior ("the kind of teacher who...").

Examples and Observations
In the following examples, as well as in subsequent sections, the partitives are listed in italics.


"You must have been warned against letting the golden hours slip by. Yes, but some of them are golden only because we let them slip."

Partitive nouns are part of a whole so the peace be on them is part and the Israel of God finishes the part! 2 separate groups making a whole like Pauls dual blessing on those who walk according to teh ruel, peace is part, mercy is th eother part.
 

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Yes, in df-land, faith and obedience have nothing to do with God.



Never did I say that it was. But in common with the pharisees, df is entirely incapable of understanding any spiritual metaphor.


Lyi8ng is unbecoming on you. IN DF land faith and obedience are the highest priorities for believers after worship and adoration!
 

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Galatians 6:16
Your assertion that Galatians 6:16 refers to a separate Israel of God, fails when the whole chapter is read. Paul is writing ONLY to Christian peoples.

I refute the idea that here Paul is using the phrase "Israel of God" in a sense that it means the Jews, because this idea of the rapture believers contends that "the Church" is distinguished from "Israel" in Scripture.
This major tenet of dispensationalist hermeneutics, is a false teaching.
 

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YOu should read your cites first before trying to use them as a defense. Setting Galatians 6 asside all th e others are definitely speaking of either two groups of people or items. Galatians 6 follows the same pattern.

Galatians 6:16
King James Version

16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Peace and mercy are two separate things bestowed.

STRONGS G2532:
καί, a conjunction, and; the most frequent by far of all the particles in the N. T. (On its uses see Winers Grammar, § 53, 3ff; Buttmann, 361 (310ff), and cf. Ellicott on Philippians 4:12; on the difference between it and τέ see under the word τέ at the beginning)
I. It serves as a copulative i. e. to connect (Latin et, atque, German und);
1. it connects single words or terms:
a. universally, as οἱ Φαρισαῖοι καί Σαδδουκαῖοι, Matthew 16:1; ὁ Θεός καί πατήρ, he who is God and Father (see Θεός, 3); ἐν καρδία καλή καί ἀγαθή, Luke 8:15; πολυμερῶς καί πολυτρόπως, Hebrews 1:1; it is repeated before single terms, to each of which its own force and weight is thus given: ἡ υἱοθεσία καί ἡ δόξα καί αἱ διαθῆκαι καί ἡ νομοθεσία καί ἡ λατρεία καί αἱ ἐπαγγελίαιt, Romans 9:4; ἁτια καί διακαια καί ἀγαθή, Romans 7:12; add, Matthew 23:23; Luke 14:21; John 16:8; Acts 15:20, 29; Acts 21:25; Hebrews 9:10; Revelation 5:12; Revelation 18:12f; cf. Winers Grammar, 519f (484).........


eover, (German noch) (cf. Winers Grammar, § 53, 3 a. at the end; especially Krüger, § 69, 32, 16): τί καί βαπτίζονται; (A. V. why then etc.), 1
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That's strange. The Strong/Thayer source which I use contains the following, which is directly and specifically applicable to Galatians 6:16, and which I've already cited:

"c. it joins to partitive words the general notion; so that it is equivalent to and in general, and in a word, in short: ὁ Πέτρος καί οἱ ἀπόστολοι, Acts 5:29; οἱ ἀρχιερεῖς (καί οἱ πρεσβύτεροι Rec.) καί τό συνέδριον ὅλον, Matthew 26:59; καί δικαιώμασι σαρκός, Hebrews 9:10 Rec. Tr brackets WH marginal reading; καί ἐπί τόν Ἰσραήλ τοῦ Θεοῦ, Galatians 6:16"

I don't see that in your material. So please provide a link to the Strong/Thayer source which you use, so I can resolve the inconsistency.
 
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Lyi8ng is unbecoming on you. IN DF land faith and obedience are the highest priorities for believers after worship and adoration!

In df-land the cart is permanently located in front of the horse. Explain how worship and adoration can precede faith and obedience.

Jesus explicitly deplored such:

Matthew 15:8
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
 

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Your assertion that Galatians 6:16 refers to a separate Israel of God, fails when the whole chapter is read. Paul is writing ONLY to Christian peoples.

I refute the idea that here Paul is using the phrase "Israel of God" in a sense that it means the Jews, because this idea of the rapture believers contends that "the Church" is distinguished from "Israel" in Scripture.
This major tenet of dispensationalist hermeneutics, is a false teaching.

Well as you write it yes it would be a false teaching! But that is not even remotely close as to how it is taught, so your srawman is the false teaching.

And the whole context of Galatians is writing about Jews coming and upsetting the faith of the gentile Galatian believers! Paul is contrating law and grace.

And the grammar of the construct of this passage absolutely shows Paul is calling a blessing upon 2 people.

Remember He condemned the Judaizers in chapter one- and now He is calling a blessing on teh the true Israel of God- teh same remnant Paul spoke of in Romans 9-11. God has not forgotten His people Israel. and will save teh 1/3 of all Jews remaining alive at the end of the Trib. So it is written, So God will accomplish what He declared.
 

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That's strange. The Strong/Thayer source which I use contains the following, which is directly and specifically applicable to Galatians 6:16, and which I've already cited:

"c. it joins to partitive words the general notion; so that it is equivalent to and in general, and in a word, in short: ὁ Πέτρος καί οἱ ἀπόστολοι, Acts 5:29; οἱ ἀρχιερεῖς (καί οἱ πρεσβύτεροι Rec.) καί τό συνέδριον ὅλον, Matthew 26:59; καί δικαιώμασι σαρκός, Hebrews 9:10 Rec. Tr brackets WH marginal reading; καί ἐπί τόν Ἰσραήλ τοῦ Θεοῦ, Galatians 6:16"

I don't see that in your material. So please provide a link to the Strong/Thayer source which you use, so I can resolve the inconsistency.

What your problem is is you do not know what partitive words are and why they are connected by the conjunction "kai" "and".
so here two website:

Partitive Expressions with Uncountable Nouns | Vocabulary | EnglishClub

Definitions and Examples of Partitives in Grammar (thoughtco.com)

Partitive - Wikipedia
In linguistics, the partitive is a word, phrase, or case that indicates partialness. Nominal partitives are syntactic constructions, such as "some of the children", and may be classified semantically as either set partitives or entity partitives based on the quantifier and the type of embedded noun used. Partitives should not be confused with quantitives (also known as pseudopartitives), which often look similar in form, but behave differently syntactically and have a distinct meaning.


The partitive here is in the first part of this compound sentence. The "as many" is the partitive noun or phrase. Then another group is added by the conjunction "kai" Kai brings another thought, word, action or thing into the action of the sentence (peace and mercy be upon them).

Kai does not further expound the meaning of the major clause, ( as many as walk) but inserts another person, place or thing. Here it is a group.

That is baisc grammar. You are entangling yourself in weeds because you do not separate the types of conjunctions.
 

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In df-land the cart is permanently located in front of the horse. Explain how worship and adoration can precede faith and obedience.

Jesus explicitly deplored such:

Matthew 15:8
This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Well as you do not know how df land works, I will ignore your ignorant ad-hominem.

but after one is saved, Our highest duty is to worship and adore and glorify god. I guess you would say that it does require faith and obedience, But I look at it from the post salvation acts of faith and obedience and move on to how we live in faith and obedience.
 

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What your problem is is you do not know what partitive words are and why they are connected by the conjunction "kai" "and".
so here two website:

Partitive Expressions with Uncountable Nouns | Vocabulary | EnglishClub

Definitions and Examples of Partitives in Grammar (thoughtco.com)

Partitive - Wikipedia
In linguistics, the partitive is a word, phrase, or case that indicates partialness. Nominal partitives are syntactic constructions, such as "some of the children", and may be classified semantically as either set partitives or entity partitives based on the quantifier and the type of embedded noun used. Partitives should not be confused with quantitives (also known as pseudopartitives), which often look similar in form, but behave differently syntactically and have a distinct meaning.


The partitive here is in the first part of this compound sentence. The "as many" is the partitive noun or phrase. Then another group is added by the conjunction "kai" Kai brings another thought, word, action or thing into the action of the sentence (peace and mercy be upon them).

Kai does not further expound the meaning of the major clause, ( as many as walk) but inserts another person, place or thing. Here it is a group.

That is baisc grammar. You are entangling yourself in weeds because you do not separate the types of conjunctions.

I simply requested a link to the Strong/Thayer source which you use, a portion of which you quoted in your posts 348 and 349.

You've refused to provide the requested link.

What's your problem?
 
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Well as you do not know how df land works, I will ignore your ignorant ad-hominem.

but after one is saved, Our highest duty is to worship and adore and glorify god. I guess you would say that it does require faith and obedience, But I look at it from the post salvation acts of faith and obedience and move on to how we live in faith and obedience.

An ad hominem attack is an attack upon the person rather than upon his argument.

I've not attacked your person.

I don't consider you to be a horse, and I presume that you don't consider yourself to be a horse.

So your ad hominem accusation is false.
 
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