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Faith is the only way! To the Old Testament folks it was faith in looking forward to the Coming Messiah whose shed Blood was represented by the blood of an animal sacrifice.

For the New Testament folks it is faith in looking back at the Messiah and the Blood He shed for us.

So you say "believe only" --- belief + 0 = salvation?

Scripture refutes your position...

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
 
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And you have blasphemed the Lord you claim by making water equal with the Blood!

Water baptism has it's purpose, but it is not for the purpose of cleansing sin.

Nothing but the Blood!
Does baptism doth now save us or not?
 

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So you say "believe only" --- belief + 0 = salvation?

Scripture refutes your position...

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Now THAT'S how the blood is applied!
 
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You cannot "believe" your way to the application of the blood.

It is not mind over matter.
So you say "believe only" --- belief + 0 = salvation?

Scripture refutes your position...

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Show me an actual example in Acts where they were baptized for the remission of sins.
 

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Here is exactly how one can get the blood applied(sins remitted)...


37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

...plus nothing, minus nothing.
 

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Show me an actual example in Acts where they were baptized for the remission of sins.


Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
 

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I will show you one! Acts 22:16. It's used often by the baptizers.

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
 

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The problem is that the baptizers don't realize when salvation takes place.

In Acts 22:16, the baptizers believe Paul was saved when he was baptized. But Paul was saved 3 days earlier on the road to Damascus when he said, "Lord, what will you have me do."

That is when he surrendered his life to Christ and that is when he was forgiven and saved. it was instant at the very moment of believing.

What Ananias said was it's time for you begin the calling of Christ. It was a present action being done because of a past action.

He was being water baptized as a symbol of his sins be washed away by the Blood on the road to Damascus.
 

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The problem is that the baptizers don't realize when salvation takes place.

In Acts 22:16, the baptizers believe Paul was saved when he was baptized. But Paul was saved 3 days earlier on the road to Damascus when he said, "Lord, what will you have me do."

That is when he surrendered his life to Christ and that is when he was forgiven and saved. it was instant at the very moment of believing.

What Ananias said was it's time for you begin the calling of Christ. It was a present action being done because of a past action.

He was being water baptized as a symbol of his sins be washed away by the Blood on the road to Damascus.

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Sorry Charlie but scripture refutes you.
You would have this to read...

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart(they now believe), and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost Well I see you now BELIEVE, therefor do NOTHING. You are all saved, go home and be warmed and filled.
 
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Sorry Charlie but scripture refutes you.
You would have this to read...

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart(they now believe), and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter(Charlie) said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost Well I see you now BELIEVE, therefor do NOTHING. You are all saved, go home and be warmed and filled.

OK, you will see it as you see it.
 

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I will show you one! Acts 22:16. It's used often by the baptizers.

"And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord."
"The baptizers"?

Never heard that one.
 

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Sorry Charlie but scripture refutes you.
You would have this to read...

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart(they now believe), and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

Acts 2:38 Then Peter(Charlie) said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost Well I see you now BELIEVE, therefor do NOTHING. You are all saved, go home and be warmed and filled.
:eek:
 

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Nowhere in scripture will you find that the Blood is applied in water baptism.

I'm not sure, but believe this was invented by the RCC.
No, by God.

There is no other way to find remission of sins but by obeying Acts 2:38.

Unless you cleverly do this like another fella did a couple days ago....

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent..................... for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 

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No, by God.

There is no other way to find remission of sins but by obeying Acts 2:38.

Unless you cleverly do this like another fella did a couple days ago....

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent..................... for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

OK, believe what you will.
 

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The problem is that the baptizers don't realize when salvation takes place.

In Acts 22:16, the baptizers believe Paul was saved when he was baptized. But Paul was saved 3 days earlier on the road to Damascus when he said, "Lord, what will you have me do."

That is when he surrendered his life to Christ and that is when he was forgiven and saved. it was instant at the very moment of believing.

What Ananias said was it's time for you begin the calling of Christ. It was a present action being done because of a past action.

He was being water baptized as a symbol of his sins be washed away by the Blood on the road to Damascus.
He was saved by saying "what will you have me do"?

Were the 3000 also saved by saying "what shall we do"?

All we need is to ask a question to be saved?