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Enoch111

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False teachings presented by the subject translation:
1. Christ existed before anything was created. - False
2. He made things we can see and the things we can't see. - False
3. He existed before anything else. - False
4. God existed in Christ "in all his fulness." - False
5. God reconciled everything to himself - False
6. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth. - False
You have got to be out of your mind (or has Satan taken it captive?). All of the above is FALSE? What utter rubbish!
 

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You have got to be out of your mind (or has Satan taken it captive?). All of the above is FALSE? What utter rubbish!
Hard to hear? As I said, Gnostic teaching has crept into Christian thought.
 
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That's okay, give it time.

Well, it’s been 16 years. I still believe Jesus was God. It’s just about the ONLY thing I would argue strenuously about. Jesus is my Lord and my God and my Savior and my soul magnifies Him and anyone who doesn’t believe it should not be a teacher. It’s the one thing I will never give on. I know who I have believed.
 
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I still believe Jesus was God. It’s just about the ONLY thing I would argue strenuously about. Jesus is my Lord and my God and my Savior and my soul magnifies Him and anyone who doesn’t believe it should not be a teacher.
That means you're stating that the apostle Paul (and Peter and John) should not have been a teacher. And yet Jesus chose him to be an apostle:

Acts 20:24 (WEB):
(24) ... the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to fully testify to the Good News of the grace of God.​

Paul also wrote, Ephesians 1 (WEB):

(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ;​

(15) For this cause I also, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which is among you, and the love which you have toward all the saints,
(16) don’t cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers,
(17) that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him;
(18) having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope of his calling, and what are the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
(19) and what is the exceeding greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to that working of the strength of his might
(20) which he worked in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places,
(21) far above all rule, and authority, and power, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come.
(22) He put all things in subjection under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things for the assembly,
(23) which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.​

Yes, Jesus is a god to us (for he is now greater than all living beings except YHWH, and YHWH has given Jesus authority over every other living being), but there is only one true almighty God, the God of Jesus, our Father in heaven.

1 Corinthians 8:6 (WEB):
(6) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.​

And don't forget Jesus' own testimony, when in prayer to God he stated:

John 17:3 (WEB):
(3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.​
 
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Well, it’s been 16 years. I still believe Jesus was God. It’s just about the ONLY thing I would argue strenuously about. Jesus is my Lord and my God and my Savior and my soul magnifies Him and anyone who doesn’t believe it should not be a teacher. It’s the one thing I will never give on. I know who I have believed.
Of course, yes. Jesus is God incarnate. Keep on believing.
 

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That means you're stating that the apostle Paul (and Peter and John) should not have been a teacher. And yet Jesus chose him to be an apostle:

Acts 20:24 (WEB):
(24) ... the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to fully testify to the Good News of the grace of God.​

Paul also wrote, Ephesians 1 (WEB):

(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ;​

(15) For this cause I also, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which is among you, and the love which you have toward all the saints,
(16) don’t cease to give thanks for you, making mention of you in my prayers,
(17) that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him;
(18) having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope of his calling, and what are the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
(19) and what is the exceeding greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to that working of the strength of his might
(20) which he worked in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places,
(21) far above all rule, and authority, and power, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come.
(22) He put all things in subjection under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things for the assembly,
(23) which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.​

Yes, Jesus is a God to us (for he is now greater than all living beings except YHWH, and YHWH has given Jesus authority over every other living being), but there is only one true almighty God, the God of Jesus, our Father in heaven.

1 Corinthians 8:6 (WEB):
(6) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.​

And don't forget Jesus' own testimony, when in prayer to God he stated:

John 17:3 (WEB):
(3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.​
When you use the indefinite article, along with the capitalized word God, you seem to suggest that there is more than transcendent creator, which is false.

Now, we use the term "god" with a small 'g' to indicate a man who rules over a kingdom. If we were to say that Jesus is "a god" in that sense, this is true, especially because Jesus refers to himself in this way. (Refer to John 10:32-35)

Which one do you mean?
 
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When you use the indefinite article, along with the capitalized word God, you seem to suggest that there is more than transcendent creator, which is false.

Now, we use the term "god" with a small 'g' to indicate a man who rules over a kingdom. If we were to say that Jesus is "a god" in that sense, this is true, especially because Jesus refers to himself in this way. (Refer to John 10:32-35)

Which one do you mean?
Neither...our great God and Savior Christ Jesus is God along WITH/PROS YHVH=echad
Stop playing games.
J.
 

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Neither...our great God and Savior Christ Jesus is God along WITH/PROS YHVH=echad
Stop playing games.
J.
John says that the "word" was with God. He didn't say "Jesus" or "Christ" was with God. There can be only one, transcendent creator.
 

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John says that the "word" was with God. He didn't say "Jesus" or "Christ" was with God. There can be only one, transcendent creator.
Since when did you decide to start perverting Bible truth?

Do you see how stupid it sounds when someone says "He didn't say "Jesus" or "Christ" was with God"? All an honest and sincere person needs to do is read the entire first chapter of the Gospel of John to see that it is all about the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Word of God, the Creator, the only begotten Son of God, God manifest in the flesh, who is also the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the world.

Within the Godhead, it was God the Word who was designated to be the Creator. Which does not mean that the Father and the Holy Spirit were not involved. Father, Son and Holy Spirit were all involved in creation, but the work of creation was given to the Son. And that is why we read what is written in Hebrews 1:8-10:


But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
 

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Of course, yes. Jesus is God incarnate. Keep on believing.

No, you’ve given yourself away on this. Gird up your loins like a man and stick to it.

5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me

24 “Father, I want those you have given meto be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

He was in the fiery furnace with Daniel, one looking like a son of man, He is the “angel of the Lord” in the OT, and all the law and prophets speak of Him. And then,
10 He came into the very world he created, but the world didn’t recognize him.
 
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John says that the "word" was with God. He didn't say "Jesus" or "Christ" was with God. There can be only one, transcendent creator.

Jesus is the Word. The concept is the physical manifestation of a thought or idea. God is Spirit: "God is spirit, and the people who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” John 4:24

Jesus is the physical manifestation of God: "Now the Word [Greek: logos] became flesh and took up residence among us. We saw his glory—the glory of the one and only, full of grace and truth, who came from the Father." John 1:14

If you think that there can be only one, transcendent creator you need to expand your thinking. John 1:3, "All things were created by him [Jesus], and apart from him not one thing was created that has been created."
 

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John says that the "word" was with God. He didn't say "Jesus" or "Christ" was with God.
All right; I'll bite. Sure he did. To whom was John referring in verse 14?

And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only from the Father, full of grace and truth.
 

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All right; I'll bite. Sure he did. To whom was John referring in verse 14?

And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Go Lambano go! Wield that sword! :)
3 We are human, but we don’t wage war as humans do. 4 We use God’s mighty weapons, not worldly weapons, to knock down the strongholds of human reasoning and to destroy false arguments.
 
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