Its funny how so many of todays churches run after special spiritual gifts and reckon that because they have them, or think they do, that it means they are on the right track. Strange though how at the end of times it is said that many will come to Christ saying look at all the things we did with our special gifts and yet Christ will say or tell them to depart from his presence and that He never knew them and obviously they were not doing Gods will.Just because you see a person doing something like heal, or speak in tongues, like Benny does Wakka, does not mean in even the smallest way that they are Gods people. In fact the Bible says that "many" of those will not be and never were.So dont folks take for granted that your speaking in tongues, healing and other gifts you think you might have are a sign of your being saved, they're not.
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But you know it's really funny but people who believe that the rapture is going to happen before the tribulation period on this forum seem to always be in the wrong!There are a lot of people that seclude themselves and think that they are the only ones right on this very forum!The Catholics think their only right! the Seventhday Adventest only think their right! The Pentecostals only think their right! the Baptist only think that their right! Etc.,,,,,It's all just a gimmick to get people into their church!Jesus is the only one right!
(jodycour;13016)
But you know it's really funny but people who believe that the rapture is going to happen before the tribulation period on this forum seem to always be in the wrong!There are a lot of people that seclude themselves and think that they are the only ones right on this very forum!The Catholics think their only right! the Seventhday Adventest only think their right! The Pentecostals only think their right! the Baptist only think that their right! Etc.,,,,,It's all just a gimmick to get people into their church!Jesus is the only one right!
Jody that is out of context I have no idea whether Brett believes rapture or not as he has not said we dont believe in Rapture because it is not in Gods word period and if you can give me one scripture proving otherwise go ahead.The problem is Jody is you and many others have diffeculty getting away from mens teaching about rapture and other things we have been told we are surprised they arent in the word.,We cant comprise the words of God because men would rather ignore it for their tratidions.(sorry had to answer phone)This is why we try to stay away from religion this doesnt stop people from pushing theirswe cant avoid that but if we stick to the bible we will be fine. If you will notice I try to warn people when they are reading a religiousbelieve rather than a Biblical one I cant catch them all.This is the same reason we dont teach Pre-trib rapture it isnt there so we warn against it.We strive to be bible over religion and/or mens tradtions we may not be perfectbut we do tryPS if want to believe rapture go ahead we are just saying it is not in the Bible so if it doesnt happen dont fall for the antichristwho will come first if your gone you wont need to worry but if you are not gone you better know whats gonna happen dont you think?
But you know it's really funny but people who believe that the rapture is going to happen before the tribulation period on this forum seem to always be in the wrong!There are a lot of people that seclude themselves and think that they are the only ones right on this very forum!The Catholics think their only right! the Seventhday Adventest only think their right! The Pentecostals only think their right! the Baptist only think that their right! Etc.,,,,,It's all just a gimmick to get people into their church!Jesus is the only one right!
Jody that is out of context I have no idea whether Brett believes rapture or not as he has not said we dont believe in Rapture because it is not in Gods word period and if you can give me one scripture proving otherwise go ahead.The problem is Jody is you and many others have diffeculty getting away from mens teaching about rapture and other things we have been told we are surprised they arent in the word.,We cant comprise the words of God because men would rather ignore it for their tratidions.(sorry had to answer phone)This is why we try to stay away from religion this doesnt stop people from pushing theirswe cant avoid that but if we stick to the bible we will be fine. If you will notice I try to warn people when they are reading a religiousbelieve rather than a Biblical one I cant catch them all.This is the same reason we dont teach Pre-trib rapture it isnt there so we warn against it.We strive to be bible over religion and/or mens tradtions we may not be perfectbut we do tryPS if want to believe rapture go ahead we are just saying it is not in the Bible so if it doesnt happen dont fall for the antichristwho will come first if your gone you wont need to worry but if you are not gone you better know whats gonna happen dont you think?
(jodycour;13016)
But you know it's really funny but people who believe that the rapture is going to happen before the tribulation period on this forum seem to always be in the wrong!There are a lot of people that seclude themselves and think that they are the only ones right on this very forum!The Catholics think their only right! the Seventhday Adventest only think their right! The Pentecostals only think their right! the Baptist only think that their right! Etc.,,,,,It's all just a gimmick to get people into their church!Jesus is the only one right!
Yes, Jodi, unfortunatelly we all think 'I am' is right. And that's how Denominations are still deviding people and religious leaders are still arguing. And it will always be like that!!! But it is okay. Bible says that Jesus is the way and no one will be saves but thru blood of Jesus. This is the main thing we all have to know no matter of denomination. Rest of details effect us in our daily life, but not our salvation. Bible does talk about spiritual gifts that God intended for churches and individuals, but not everyone is using them or accepts them as a God'given gift. And it will not effect their salvation, but will effect their daily walk with God and will prevent them to do as much as they could of for God and this dying world. P.S. I think God didn't specify rapture time-period because He wants us to be ready at ALL TIMES... The 10 virgins example in the Bible shows us that it will be sudden, when half or believers are not even ready, thinking there's enough time.
But you know it's really funny but people who believe that the rapture is going to happen before the tribulation period on this forum seem to always be in the wrong!There are a lot of people that seclude themselves and think that they are the only ones right on this very forum!The Catholics think their only right! the Seventhday Adventest only think their right! The Pentecostals only think their right! the Baptist only think that their right! Etc.,,,,,It's all just a gimmick to get people into their church!Jesus is the only one right!
Yes, Jodi, unfortunatelly we all think 'I am' is right. And that's how Denominations are still deviding people and religious leaders are still arguing. And it will always be like that!!! But it is okay. Bible says that Jesus is the way and no one will be saves but thru blood of Jesus. This is the main thing we all have to know no matter of denomination. Rest of details effect us in our daily life, but not our salvation. Bible does talk about spiritual gifts that God intended for churches and individuals, but not everyone is using them or accepts them as a God'given gift. And it will not effect their salvation, but will effect their daily walk with God and will prevent them to do as much as they could of for God and this dying world. P.S. I think God didn't specify rapture time-period because He wants us to be ready at ALL TIMES... The 10 virgins example in the Bible shows us that it will be sudden, when half or believers are not even ready, thinking there's enough time.
(kriss;13018)
PS if want to believe rapture go ahead we are just saying it is not in the Bible so if it doesnt happen dont fall for the antichristwho will come first if your gone you wont need to worry but if you are not gone you better know whats gonna happen dont you think?
Kriss - here is a link for you to look at. I found it very helpfull in my research on 'rapture'. http://www.digisys.net/users/ddalton/the_r...cond_coming.htmI do believe in rapture, because Bible does talk about it alot. But no one knows when. Before, during or after Antichrist. I THINK (my personal opinion) that it will be some time during the 7-seal prophecy fullfilment. I think we will witness partially what Antichrist will do to this world.
PS if want to believe rapture go ahead we are just saying it is not in the Bible so if it doesnt happen dont fall for the antichristwho will come first if your gone you wont need to worry but if you are not gone you better know whats gonna happen dont you think?
Kriss - here is a link for you to look at. I found it very helpfull in my research on 'rapture'. http://www.digisys.net/users/ddalton/the_r...cond_coming.htmI do believe in rapture, because Bible does talk about it alot. But no one knows when. Before, during or after Antichrist. I THINK (my personal opinion) that it will be some time during the 7-seal prophecy fullfilment. I think we will witness partially what Antichrist will do to this world.
Ok, let me get the correct context here.It sounded very much in Brett's statements that he is coming against people who believe in spiritual gifts. Spiritual gifts do come from God, and God does use them today regardless of whether people choose to believe this or not!Same case with the Rapture theory! But I have had people tell me on this forum that I'm decieved, and my salvation is at steak, and that I must not be truly saved to believe such a lie.But it is as you said, I can choose to believe it if I want, just don't be decieved!But that doesn't sound like what Brett is saying too me. It sounds like he is making a mockery of the Holy Spirit's gifts, and I and the HolySpirit does not take that lightly according to the Word of God, blasphemy against the HolySpirit is the only unforgivable sin. I don't think it to be very wise to talk about the HolySpirit's gifts this way!
(Tama;13028)
Kriss - here is a link for you to look at. I found it very helpfull in my research on 'rapture'. http://www.digisys.net/users/ddalton/the_r...cond_coming.htmI do believe in rapture, because Bible does talk about it alot. But no one knows when. Before, during or after Antichrist. I THINK (my personal opinion) that it will be some time during the 7-seal prophecy fullfilment. I think we will witness partially what Antichrist will do to this world.
I respectivley disagree it says exactley when the chaning is. At the seventh trump It is not any time before that it just isnt there . Years ago I used to believe in the rapture studied it alot I wish a pre trib. rapture was true. But I now look forward to being a warrior for God. I dont care if people believe it if they are aware of antichrist coming first so they are not fooled.when no rapture comes. However most churches dont teach that. They just teach rapture so if it doesnt happen they will be fooled by antichrist and that is what makes this a dangerous teaching. Not preparing the sheep for whats to come is wrong. and God says he is against those that teach is children to fly.Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows,wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly,and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. This translation is from the companion Bible lets look closer I am against your pillows. what are pillow the orginal hebrew word from the manuscript for pillows is = keceth (keh'·seth ) what does it meana) used by false prophetesses in Israel to support their demonic fortune-telling schemesso What does this Say Wherefore thus saith the Lord God,Behold I am against . your false schemeswherewith ye hunt souls (of people) to make/tell them to fly (fly away)doctrine1 Corinthians 15:52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Kriss - here is a link for you to look at. I found it very helpfull in my research on 'rapture'. http://www.digisys.net/users/ddalton/the_r...cond_coming.htmI do believe in rapture, because Bible does talk about it alot. But no one knows when. Before, during or after Antichrist. I THINK (my personal opinion) that it will be some time during the 7-seal prophecy fullfilment. I think we will witness partially what Antichrist will do to this world.
I respectivley disagree it says exactley when the chaning is. At the seventh trump It is not any time before that it just isnt there . Years ago I used to believe in the rapture studied it alot I wish a pre trib. rapture was true. But I now look forward to being a warrior for God. I dont care if people believe it if they are aware of antichrist coming first so they are not fooled.when no rapture comes. However most churches dont teach that. They just teach rapture so if it doesnt happen they will be fooled by antichrist and that is what makes this a dangerous teaching. Not preparing the sheep for whats to come is wrong. and God says he is against those that teach is children to fly.Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows,wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly,and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. This translation is from the companion Bible lets look closer I am against your pillows. what are pillow the orginal hebrew word from the manuscript for pillows is = keceth (keh'·seth ) what does it meana) used by false prophetesses in Israel to support their demonic fortune-telling schemesso What does this Say Wherefore thus saith the Lord God,Behold I am against . your false schemeswherewith ye hunt souls (of people) to make/tell them to fly (fly away)doctrine1 Corinthians 15:52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
If we could only save one soul!!!Why guide and lead, instead of rule? Because those who are over us in the Lord are shepherds who must lead and guide, but not dominate. Rule is arbitrary government, and the Church may be "subject to Christ" only. "One is your Master, even Christ." The following Divine instruction is from one of the inspired Spirit-filled elders:"The elders which are among you exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed. Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight [not rulership] thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock," (I Peter 5:1-3).
Im not against spiritual gifts its just that so many look upon it as a "sign" that those with them must be on the right track. Jesus, not me, said that many will come before Him on the last day saying that because they practiced them that they are His, Jesus says that many of those, not just a few, are not His. So, people can display the gifts and not be saved, its in the Bible. I said what I did because those without much experience can see that just because they rock up to a church or see a guy performing so called miracles in the name of Christ does not mean for 1 second that it is a good solid church or doing Gods Will. Too, many of these churches that make such a show of their gifts have weak, brittle, tranparent non biblical structures. Its a warning to be heeded.Now whether I believe in the rapture as taught by some as you said I cannot fathom where my post can be tied to this.Can a person have gifts? Yes, God can give whatever He like to whomever He chooses. But please explain why a miraculous gift should be metered out when the same outcome is/can be acheieved with normal everyday measures such as, a special message not to do whatever when the Bible is complete and has all the wrnings needed to be given. When the Isrealites finished their travels they no longer needed "miraculous" manna, the natural supply of food was now available. In many ways too we have natural supplies of what was once needed miraculously. The gift times were when they had no New Testament or written teachings to follow.
I've encountered people who think I can't be saved because I don't speak in an unknown tongue. Usually, however, they do not make this claim. More often, it is just seen as a sign of being more mature as a Christian.Perhaps some people take the speaking in tongues as proof of the presence of the Holy Spirit, and since the HS is the pledge, seal, etc. , then they figure you must have it, or rather, the proof, or you aren't saved. Maybe they go with this verse, or some of the stuff in Acts:
1 John 4:13 By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.
It is something a person naturally asks, "Am I on the right track?"
1 John 4:13 By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit.
It is something a person naturally asks, "Am I on the right track?"
Jon-Marc
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I find it very interesting that people who don't believe in a rapture are just as close-minded as they accuse those of us who do in being. It's the same "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude that we are accused of having. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Thess. 4:16,17. I believe that is the "rapture", or calling away of the church of Jesus Christ. I can't prove it, but that is what I believe, and I believe that it will usher in the 7 year tribulation. After that 7 years He will return to the earth to set up His 1,000 reign, during which time satan will be bound and cast into a bottomless pit. Of course, you're entitled to believe or disbelieve whatever you want. However, if you feel you have the right to say I'm wrong, then I have the same right to say you are. That works both ways you know. The important thing is that your name (and mine) is written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Otherwise, it won't matter what you believe. It seems that many believers are too busy fighting and bickering over who's right about what to bother carrying out the Lord's commission--to go into all the works and preach the gospel. We're so busy fighting over petty matters that have nothing whatsoever to do with our salvation and winning the lost that we forget there is a world out there dying without Christ. I'm pointing at least one finger back ar myself since I'm also guilty of that.
Amen Jon-Marc,I'm in agreement with you! That's why I brought it up in my original post, because people are closed minded in this same way when it comes to Spiritual Gifts!Bret I am in agreement with you though that there are way too many Ministers that are showboating out there, and this is very scarry! But not only Charismatic Churches do this. Alot of churches do this just to get more people in their doors!Back to those who do believe that we will go through Tribulation though, if you really believe this you had better start stocking up on groceries, and buy some Gold.I'm very serious about buying gold though because according to the Word, one loaf a bread will cost a days wage.That means Gold is going to be worth alot!I personally am purchaseing 20 franc swiss gold coins, so that it will be easier to buy and trade with them, also the government can't confiscate them because they are considered a collectors item. You also don't have to pay taxes on the profit when you sell them!So yes I do believe in preparing just incase I am wrong!
(B'midbar;13061)
I've encountered people who think I can't be saved because I don't speak in an unknown tongue. Usually, however, they do not make this claim. More often, it is just seen as a sign of being more mature as a Christian.Perhaps some people take the speaking in tongues as proof of the presence of the Holy Spirit, and since the HS is the pledge, seal, etc. , then they figure you must have it, or rather, the proof, or you aren't saved. Maybe they go with this verse, or some of the stuff in Acts:It is something a person naturally asks, "Am I on the right track?"
Well, let's see. Jesus told His deciples that they must go and preach, but for some reason He told them NOT TO leave Jerusalem but stay in the upper room and wait for the Holy Spirit that was promissed. So, apostoles stayed in Jerusalem, not starting the mission that Jesus sent them on. They waited.... And AFTER they ALL received a Holy Spirit who manifested in 'different languages / speaking in tongues' only then they went to preach, and teach, and heal. It is not a requierement for salvation, but it it needed for Power, Wisdom, Stronger faith, etc. So, for those in ministries, it is very beneficial to gave gifts of the Holy Spirit. Bible lists all qualities and duties of Holy Spirit. Read them, and then decide if our churches and we personally need it. I would say we DO.
I've encountered people who think I can't be saved because I don't speak in an unknown tongue. Usually, however, they do not make this claim. More often, it is just seen as a sign of being more mature as a Christian.Perhaps some people take the speaking in tongues as proof of the presence of the Holy Spirit, and since the HS is the pledge, seal, etc. , then they figure you must have it, or rather, the proof, or you aren't saved. Maybe they go with this verse, or some of the stuff in Acts:It is something a person naturally asks, "Am I on the right track?"
Well, let's see. Jesus told His deciples that they must go and preach, but for some reason He told them NOT TO leave Jerusalem but stay in the upper room and wait for the Holy Spirit that was promissed. So, apostoles stayed in Jerusalem, not starting the mission that Jesus sent them on. They waited.... And AFTER they ALL received a Holy Spirit who manifested in 'different languages / speaking in tongues' only then they went to preach, and teach, and heal. It is not a requierement for salvation, but it it needed for Power, Wisdom, Stronger faith, etc. So, for those in ministries, it is very beneficial to gave gifts of the Holy Spirit. Bible lists all qualities and duties of Holy Spirit. Read them, and then decide if our churches and we personally need it. I would say we DO.
(Jon-Marc;13067)
I find it very interesting that people who don't believe in a rapture are just as close-minded as they accuse those of us who do in being. It's the same "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude that we are accused of having. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Thess. 4:16,17. I believe that is the "rapture", or calling away of the church of Jesus Christ. I can't prove it, but that is what I believe, and I believe that it will usher in the 7 year tribulation. After that 7 years He will return to the earth to set up His 1,000 reign, during which time satan will be bound and cast into a bottomless pit. Of course, you're entitled to believe or disbelieve whatever you want. However, if you feel you have the right to say I'm wrong, then I have the same right to say you are. That works both ways you know. The important thing is that your name (and mine) is written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Otherwise, it won't matter what you believe. It seems that many believers are too busy fighting and bickering over who's right about what to bother carrying out the Lord's commission--to go into all the works and preach the gospel. We're so busy fighting over petty matters that have nothing whatsoever to do with our salvation and winning the lost that we forget there is a world out there dying without Christ. I'm pointing at least one finger back ar myself since I'm also guilty of that.
Im only against it because its not in Gods word I didnt choose to be against it. It would make me happy if it was there I dont understand how no one has ever found a pre-rapture scripture in the bible we are told exactly when it will happen God says he is against those that teach it(fly away doctrine) yet you guys keep right on ignoring God word like it wasnt even there blaming those that can read as some sort of group against Pre Trib rapture IT ISNT IN THE BIBLE 1 Corinthians 15:52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be chanLAST TRUMP that means 7th a nd if you rerad the trumps Antichrist comes in the 6ih and 6 comes before 7 just as 2 Thess, says the man of lawlessness comes in th 6th and Christ returns in the 7th Just as God says2 thess. 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. (antichrist)4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. (this is the Abomination of Desolation)Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows,(pillows are demonic fortune-telling schemes)wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly,(away)and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. Does anyone care what God is saying here or are you so convinced man knows better especially when we all agree what bad shape our churches are in. do any of you remember the lessons of the sadducees and the pharisee's? What does God have to say to get anybodys attention here wake up guys, come out of your cofusion These are not MY Words!! Cant you guys see this is part of fast food religion. Oh Revelation is to hard to explain lets just skip it and convince them they will be flying out here. fortune-telling P.S.This translation is from the companion Bible lets look closer I am against your pillows. what are pillow the original hebrew word from the manuscript for pillows is = keceth (keh'·seth ) what does it meana) used by false prophetesses in Israel to support their demonic fortune-telling schemesso What does this Say Wherefore thus saith the Lord God,Behold I am against . your false schemeswherewith ye hunt souls (of people) to make/tell them to fly (fly away)doctrine
I find it very interesting that people who don't believe in a rapture are just as close-minded as they accuse those of us who do in being. It's the same "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude that we are accused of having. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." 1 Thess. 4:16,17. I believe that is the "rapture", or calling away of the church of Jesus Christ. I can't prove it, but that is what I believe, and I believe that it will usher in the 7 year tribulation. After that 7 years He will return to the earth to set up His 1,000 reign, during which time satan will be bound and cast into a bottomless pit. Of course, you're entitled to believe or disbelieve whatever you want. However, if you feel you have the right to say I'm wrong, then I have the same right to say you are. That works both ways you know. The important thing is that your name (and mine) is written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Otherwise, it won't matter what you believe. It seems that many believers are too busy fighting and bickering over who's right about what to bother carrying out the Lord's commission--to go into all the works and preach the gospel. We're so busy fighting over petty matters that have nothing whatsoever to do with our salvation and winning the lost that we forget there is a world out there dying without Christ. I'm pointing at least one finger back ar myself since I'm also guilty of that.
Im only against it because its not in Gods word I didnt choose to be against it. It would make me happy if it was there I dont understand how no one has ever found a pre-rapture scripture in the bible we are told exactly when it will happen God says he is against those that teach it(fly away doctrine) yet you guys keep right on ignoring God word like it wasnt even there blaming those that can read as some sort of group against Pre Trib rapture IT ISNT IN THE BIBLE 1 Corinthians 15:52in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be chanLAST TRUMP that means 7th a nd if you rerad the trumps Antichrist comes in the 6ih and 6 comes before 7 just as 2 Thess, says the man of lawlessness comes in th 6th and Christ returns in the 7th Just as God says2 thess. 2:1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for (that day will not come) until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. (antichrist)4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. (this is the Abomination of Desolation)Ezekiel 13:20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows,(pillows are demonic fortune-telling schemes)wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly,(away)and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly. Does anyone care what God is saying here or are you so convinced man knows better especially when we all agree what bad shape our churches are in. do any of you remember the lessons of the sadducees and the pharisee's? What does God have to say to get anybodys attention here wake up guys, come out of your cofusion These are not MY Words!! Cant you guys see this is part of fast food religion. Oh Revelation is to hard to explain lets just skip it and convince them they will be flying out here. fortune-telling P.S.This translation is from the companion Bible lets look closer I am against your pillows. what are pillow the original hebrew word from the manuscript for pillows is = keceth (keh'·seth ) what does it meana) used by false prophetesses in Israel to support their demonic fortune-telling schemesso What does this Say Wherefore thus saith the Lord God,Behold I am against . your false schemeswherewith ye hunt souls (of people) to make/tell them to fly (fly away)doctrine
(Tama;13103)
Read them, and then decide if our churches and we personally need it. I would say we DO.
If God gives us someone who can heal, for example, it is for a reason. The person ought to use the gift. Just personally, I think faith seems hard in this day and age. So the gift of faith seems a good one to pray for. Also, that we may love.
ray4: I agree that Peter and the lot of them waited to receive power from on high, and then all the preaching seems to get into high gear!I think we need what God gives us, whichever gifts they are. God gives to each of us what is needed overall for the body. It is not like he is a bad father or something and doesn’t give us what we need, like he leaves us lacking in gifts. I think gifts are there, we should use them, and we should pray for more of them. We should always be praying for our brothers.I couldn’t tell if you were asking something about this, but yes, the Church needs the Holy Spirit. Where would we be without him? I can’t imagine such a thing.
Read them, and then decide if our churches and we personally need it. I would say we DO.
If God gives us someone who can heal, for example, it is for a reason. The person ought to use the gift. Just personally, I think faith seems hard in this day and age. So the gift of faith seems a good one to pray for. Also, that we may love.
ray4: I agree that Peter and the lot of them waited to receive power from on high, and then all the preaching seems to get into high gear!I think we need what God gives us, whichever gifts they are. God gives to each of us what is needed overall for the body. It is not like he is a bad father or something and doesn’t give us what we need, like he leaves us lacking in gifts. I think gifts are there, we should use them, and we should pray for more of them. We should always be praying for our brothers.I couldn’t tell if you were asking something about this, but yes, the Church needs the Holy Spirit. Where would we be without him? I can’t imagine such a thing.I believe in the second coming. The rapture is for the "Americanized Churches of today". Ultimately, you shouldn't care about which is correct. Because He will come either way. And you will be caught surprised, so be ready. He'll come like a thief in the night.
Kriss, It sounds alot like your taking the:Ezekiel 13:20 and conveniently placing it where you want it to fit!These things that we believe about the rapture theory is not causeing us to be magically mystified!No, we just yearn for Jesus to come because we love Him, and this world is getting terrible to live in.what is John saying in Rev.22:20?The same thing we are! Come quickly Lord Jesus!People have been believing the Rapture Theory far a long, Me personally for over 20 years, believing this has not caused me to fall away from God in any way or caused me to go off believing all kind of weird false doctrines!
NO, I am really not, even the interpreters had trouble making sense of this verse because the Hebrew was so specific. This believe didnt exist by the believers at the time (thats why they didnt understand it.) so they translated it as it was written in the manuscripts)As I said to you before, and God tells us there has always been a rapture its the TIMING men have changed. God says its at the last trump. The Pre-trib rapture is called a THEROY not a fact. WHAT IS A THEROY: AN IDEA WITH NO PROOF (in scripture) So we ignore the truth of God for a mans theory. Does anyone believe this please's God? When he tells you when the rapture will happen (7th trump) and not before. And we ignore him 30 years ago the battle in the churches were between a Pre-trib rapture, a Mid- term Rapture, and a post trib rapture. The big money went behind Pre trib.I personally know of two ministers that were told by the powers behind the purse string you either teach Pre-trib or your off T.V.Even if you ignore Ez13:20 its still not what God says He tells you exactly when it will be. As I said before if you wanna hope thats fine but be aware what will happen if it doesn't its the people that are in such denial that they wont even look at Gods word that frustrates me cause they are not prepared for Anti christ. He will cause such a great delusion even the Elect would be fooled if God did not shorten the time People are so conditioned to listen to the Left Behind lie. We are told ALL will be changed not some They are not prepared Anichrist doesn't come to power with war killing he comes in peacefully claiming he is the man of peace here to save us.I honestley dont care about being right I'd love it if I was wrong. It not about my opinion Its Gods word. I just worry for those that are not prepared for what God tells us will occur. Because its easier to think oh I dont have to understand that stuff, I'm gonna just be flyin out here anyway. God didnt foretell us everything so we could listen to Theroys of men and just ignore what he says.Let me ask it this way if we only read Gods Word and there was no T.V,Radio or men making video's and running their mouths. If we all attendend our little local churches and our pastors stricklty taught from the word. Would any of us know or would have ever heard anything of pre-trib rapture? The answer is NO! Cause its not taught in scripture.Its Only taught by men.
I wasn't asking - I was telling few people on that we DO need itB said:
Yeah. I agree, this is a problem in American churches. However, if you go out to say, Asia. There are many gifted churches.
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