Total Lunar Tetrads Tell Us When Jesus Returns

BibleScribe said:

the part of the night that thieves break in...(v.36)
BibleScribe

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You can't know the day prior to 1948 and you can't know the hour anyway. Matt. 24.35-36 is an interjection saying thes things remain true and the word of God extends even past the end of the world, but nobody knows when the end of the world is.

Matt. 24.35-36 doesn't talk about a thief at all. You are yanking verses from other parts and throwing them into the passage about the end of the earth. Jesus doesn't return at the end of the earth but 1000 years before the earth ends.

This is a defense of dispensationalism, ie. premillennialism otherwise known as chiliasm as taught by the church fathers in the 1st and 2nd centuries.

Your friend is coming over today but you don't know the hour. If he was a thief, you knowing the day is not good enough because he could break in during part of the day you weren't watchful, so this is why we are told to watch. This is true also even for us who know the day, for just because we know the day we can still be unwatchful.

Free will. God didn't make you do it Calvinist.

You are really confused about things, misread and misunderstand. It's amazing how you misinterpret so much so easily! The flesh is strong in you.

BibleScribe said:

If you want to parse a different meaning of what the work "is" is, then be my guest. The President of the United States of America though he could, and so why not you?

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I didn't realize we were having a discussion about the word "is". When did that start? :lol:

But let me summarize your position: -- You propose that celestial events (four consecutive lunar and solar eclipses -- a "tetrad") which fall on Jewish holy days.

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The order of events is not lunar then solar but solar then lunar. Read Joel 2.31, Acts 2.20, Rev. 6.12. Wake up! A Tetrad is not four solar eclipses. Nor is a Tetrad any four consecutive lunar eclipses, but four total eclipses in a row, that is four red blood moons in a row over two years, and we are focused on not just regular Tetrads nor a Tetrad that falls on any old holiday, but Tetrads that fall on passover, tabernacles, and again on passover and tabernacles. The 8th one since Christ will be 2014/15. Why are we doing this? Because Jesus said to observe the signs in the sun and the moon in that order before He returns, before His parousia begins, before the Tribulation starts so that is exactly what we are doing with Revelation 6.12 before the Tribulation starts with the first rapture "before the throne" (7.9) according to readiness (3.10) before the 1st trumpet (8.7) that begins the Tribulation. Remember this is the first time in all of human history two Tetrads were within 18 years apart and not only that but they fell exactly on when Israel became a nation again and when Israel entered Jerusalem. And it won't happen again for nearly 600 years (2582/83). So the next Tetrad occurs when the Temple construction occurs and the Tribulation so that it will be completed with 2300 days left to the end of the Tribulation when it is finally cleansed (Dan. 8.14). Praise the Lord!

You assert that this coincidence leads you to some conclusion. And in these calculations you use factors which have absolutely no association with your presumptions, and pick some and discard others because they do or don't suit your needs. Then when you arrive at a specific ~date~, you then twist Scripture to defend the veracity of picking a ~date~. And when asked to confirm that ~date~ by Scripture, you have no confirmation.

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112 trillion to 1 is a coincidence? 100,000 x 2010 x 700 x 7 x 7 x 6 x 19/7 = 112,000,000,000,000 to 1. Wow! To my knowledge I have no presumptions so I have nothing to associate to non-existent assumptions. I am not aware of anything I am picking or discarding, just letting the evidence take me where it may. Have you read the opening post carefully to see that? Jesus said to observe the signs in the heaven and that these events in the sun and moon must occur before the terrible day of the Lord (Joel 2.31, Acts 2.20, Rev. 6.12). Why do you reject this plain word of God? I have no confirmation of a date with Scripture? Of course I do. I gave it. The Tribulation is 2,520 days long so since the last 3 feasts pertain to Jesus' return the Tribulation begins on Feast of Trumpets, the first of those last 3 feasts. This agrees with Rev. 7.9 "before the throne" before the Tribulation begins as Feast of Trumpets represents rapture to the Jews. And the only period that fits like a glove is Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022 exactly 2,520 days. Praise the Lord! I would suggest your false beliefs are getting in the way of plain reading of the Scriptures.

Furthermore, you state you are 100% confident in these calculations, which Hal Lindsey calls pure speculation*.
* Worldnetdaily, "Testing the Faith, -- Blood moon eclipses: 2nd Coming in 2015?, Minister uses NASA forecasting to study signals of Jesus' return" http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=63076

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It is not just pure speculation but totally wrong to think Jesus returns in 2015, for think about it. The Tribulation is 7 years long. If Jesus were to return in 2015 that means Rev. 7.9 would have occurred in 2008, but where was it broadcasted throughout all the news a couple million people vanished? And the Temple needs to be completed before Jesus steps down. Where was the peace treaty of 7 years in 2008? The Vatican would have been nuked by now in the 1st half of the Tribulation (Rev. 8; 17.16). The peace treaty would have been broken by the Antichrist by now. And the 5th trumpet or 1st woe would have begun. So for Jesus to return 2015 makes no sense at all. Insofar as Hal Lindsey says that he is right, but he himself is very wrong about some things, because he is a pretribber onlyists and he misunderstands the word "regeneration" (Matt. 24.34). He keeps saying Jesus returns in a generation but it never happened since 1948. His speculation is long overdue now since today is 2011 and 63 years is more than a generation. Secondly, he is wrong because he claims the whole Church is raptured at the start of the 7 years, but there again he is wrong because nowhere does it say that in Scripture. It says the first rapture is for believers who keep the word of His patience (Rev. 3.10), are watchful (Matt. 24.40-42) and prayerful (Luke 21.36). Hal Lindsey has been in a dark place for a long time now. He doesn't even accept clearly what Joel 2.31, Acts 2.20 and Rev. 6.12 say so he can't be helped.

Both Mark Biltz and Hal Linsey are wrong. Mark is wrong because obviously the Tribulation is not from 2008 to 2015. Hal is wrong because clearly the Scriptures say the Tribulation starts soon after the 6th Seal. The tribulation is the 7th Seal that opens the 7 Trumpets of the Tribulation.

But as to not leave this audience with any ambiguity, please consider the mathematical gymnastics this individual is willing to perform: June 27, 2008 God's Appointed Times-Feast of Trumpets-Mark Blitz and Frank DiMora on Ezekiel- June 27, 2008
In other words, God would take the 360 years and multiply that by 7 times if they failed to heed His words. We know from the Word of God Israel did fail to heed his words. Therefore, take 360 years and multiply that by 7 times and you arrive at 2,500 years. Now think about the first siege in Jerusalem in 606 BC. Now go back 2,500 years from 606 BC and you end up in the middle of the 1900's. Remember Israel had a 360-day calendar year. So, we have to convert their year into our solar year calendar that is based on the 365.2 year. Once you do that, it converts to 907,326 days. Now if you were to multiply Israel’s punishment as stated in Leviticus chapter 26 you would come to 2,484 years, 2 months, and 3 days.
bibleprophecyman.com http://frankdimora.t...ne-27-2008.html I guess some people will do anything for attention, -- even asserting they know the "day".
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These comments are wrong because 2500 is just a slapstick number thrown in. And 360 years? The 360 is not years but days. A Biblical year according to the Jews was 360 days. Ezekiel prophesied on his side how long Israel would suffer. His prophecy takes us to exactly May 1948 (WOW!). It's amazing. Whereas Daniel prophesied when the Messiah would be cut off. Two different prophecies. Daniel said there would be seven sets of seven years (17,640 days) from the declaration to rebuild the temple Nisan 1, 444 BC (Neh. 2.1) in troublous times, then there would be 62 more sevens (total of 173,880 days) after which the Messiah would be cut off (Dan. 9.24-27). That day lands on March 28, 33 AD, Nian 10, Monday, Gregorian, the 1st day of the 4 day inspection of the Lamb. That is a fact! The 4 days are March 28, 29, 30, 31. Jesus was captured on Thursday March 31. Then Jesus died on the cross April 1, 33 AD, Passover, Nisan 14, April Fool's Day to Satan. He resurrected April 3, 33 AD Sunday. He ascended on a Thursday and Pentecost was on Sunday. Pretty simple.

How precise God's word is! Pray for the faithless who don't believe these words.

BibleScribe said:

I stand corrected, per your post and the article which I cited, quoted as follows: "Thus, Biltz began focusing on the precise times of both solar and lunar eclipses ..."
Everything else I maintain.BibleScribe

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How do you stand corrected because Biltz began focusing on the eclipses?

I showed everything you said was wrong. You maintain your inability to respond to show otherwise. Try to be personal and respond in kind if you can.

BibleScribe said:

Certainly you answered. However, I am not inclined to purse a discussion on the aspects which you propose, pending an acknowledgment which you steadfastly refuse, -- and that's that Scripture demands that no man knows the day nor the hour.

And toward this, I would merely propose that if you can't accept the simple things, you are most likely not inclined to accept the difficult. So keep your doctrine, -- as flawed as it is in several, (but possibly not all), points.

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So in order to have a discussion I have to accept your false teaching that nobody is allowed to know the day Jesus returns? But that's a false teaching because Matt. 24.35-36 says nobody knows the end of the earth not when Jesus returns which is 1000 years before.

And Jesus said there are these specific signs before the great and terrible day of the Lord of the Tribulation to know when the 2,520 day period occurs (Joel 2.31, Acts 2.20, Rev. 6.12). And Jesus said in Matthew 24 "you can know" even "right the door" the very day when He returns (v.33) but not till after Israel became a nation again (v.32). Just as your friend will be over today but you just know the hour.

The only 2,520 day period out there is Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022. And as we have discussed Jesus must return within a lifetime of Israel a nation again so before 2023, but not before 2021 due to the 3 events from 2010 to 2015. Since 2016-2023 doesn't add up to 2,520 days but 2015-22 does, that is the 7 year Tribulation.

Praise the Lord for this discernment! Amen.

You simply misread Matt. 24.35-36 since it is referring to the end of the earth not to the return of Jesus 1000 years before the end of the earth.

Rev. 6.12 is before the Tribulation. Rev. 6.12 are the 3 events from 2010 to 2015 so the Tribulation can't start before 2015 so the earliest the Tribulation can be is 2015 to 2022. The latest it can be is 2016 to 2023 because 2023 is 75 years from 1948. But since Feast of Trumpets 2016 does not lead to a holiday in 2023, then the 2,520 days from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av, 2022 is the only possibility for the Tribulation.

Like I said Mark Biltz is confused because he can't see Rev. 6.12 occuring before the 7 year Tribulation. Mark has made multiple errors. I haven't made any. You have made a tonne, plus you are a horrible misreader.

Realize Mark Biltz is wrong because Revelation 6.12 the events of 2010-2015 occur before the Tribulation starts so the Tribulation can't start before 2015.

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only" (Matt. 24.35-36).

Nobody knows when the earth will pass away, but Jesus said after Israel becomes a nation again (Matt. 24.32) "we can know" even "right at the door" (v.33) when He returns to earth to "rule all nations with a rod of iron" (Rev. 12.6). He returns with 10,000 of His saints (Jude 14,15). That would be weird if He returned with them to plop back up to heaven with them. No! He is here to stay to reign on earth for 1000 years (Rev. 20.2-7) when He returns. You can count on it.

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood" (Rev. 6.12). This occurs before the 7th seal. The 7th seal opens up the 7 trumpets of the Tribulation that lasts 2,520 days like all of Daniel's sixty-nine sevens. This is the 70th seven once completed brings in everlasting righteousness (Dan. 9.24). Where's your faith? The Trumptes are loud for this is the consummation of this age from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 to Tisha B'Av Aug. 7, 2022.

Scholars add up the ages in the Old Testament to 4004 BC. In 3986 BC, therefore, Adam would have been 18 years old, for him the age of accountability. Amazingly 3986 BC to 2015 is 6000 years or 120 Jubilees so the millennial kingdom was to start in 2015 with the Day of Atonement Sept. 23, 2015 but because of man's sin it is delayed 7 years. You can see why there are seven sets of seven from June 7, 1967 to Sept. 23, 2015 (17,640 days from the declaration to rebuild the Temple).

The 3rd Temple is on its way where Jesus will reign for 1000 years on earth before the New City and New Earth commences. It greatly hurts His heart the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed because of Israel's sins, but God will keep His promise to them not to reign as kings and priests for that reward is given to overcomer believers (Rev. 20.4-6), but they shall be the center of all nations and even own the land to the Euphrates River (Gen. 15.18).

There is nothing you can do to stop this! It is preordained by God in His infinite foreknowledge how to deal with sinful man and Satan to lock him in the pit for 1000 years to show he will never repent.

Stop showing your hostility because it won't end well for you with that attitude. Give into the truth that is proven over and over so you are "without excuse" (Rom. 1.20).

Scholars have already recorded what Matthew wrote down, now it is up to us to interpret it correctly by the Holy Spirit.

We are told by Jesus we don't know the day or hour of the end of the earth and that seems reasonable (Matt. 24.35-36), but that we can know the day when Jesus returns 1000 years before as He said "you can know" even "right at the door" (Matt.24.33) after Israel is a nation again (v.32).

What's more Rev. 6.12 stands on its own as the 3 events in 2010-15 so there is no way the Tribulation could start before 2015. And since Jesus said His return is "very near" (Matt. 24.33) once Israel is a nation again (v.32) we can be confidence He returns no later than 75 years (Ps. 90.10) which is a lifetime, so no later than 2023.

As all 7 year periods are 2,520 days each according to Daniel's prophecy then so is the 70th. Since the last 3 feasts pertain to His second coming and the first deals with rapture then Feast of Trumpets starts the count down for the Tribulation. This is Rev. 7.9 "before the throne" in 3rd heaven before the1st trumpet (8.7).

Since there is no 2,520 day period in 2016-23 but there is for Sept. 14, 2015 Feast of Trumpets to Aug. 7, 2022 Tisha B'Av that is clearly the Tribulation period, and thus, Jesus would step down Aug. 7,2022. When someone is hostile to this it shows where their heart is in that they prefer to shut their minds down, opening them up to evil spirits' suggestions, and so that is why there is this ominous growing "You can't know when Jesus returns" movement so people are made less ready for His return.

it really would be quite strange that all of Daniel's sixty-nine sevens were 2,520 days each but the 70th seven isn't? God uses the calendar. Never forget that. What you have just read here is what preceedeth from the mouth of God so don't reject it. This really isn't meat but milk. If you can't even accept the milk, how can you ever accept the meat? These points of fact are open for all to understand but sadly few will listen with the love of the Lord in their hearts to accept when He clearly said He returns.