The Black Horse Of Famine mentioned in Rev 6

shortangel said:

i hope there isn't another post on this topic but with inflation & gas prices & food shortages does anyone think that the black horse of famine mentioned in Rev 6 is happening? i kind of think it is but i just wanted some opinions on this topic

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Each of these signs given occur during every generation--they do not point to a final future event, but pinpoint each to be personally noted by all, that "Today is the time of salvation."

But many "believe the lie" 2 Thessalonians 2:11

shortangel said:

i hope there isn't another post on this topic but with inflation & gas prices & food shortages does anyone think that the black horse of famine mentioned in Rev 6 is happening? i kind of think it is but i just wanted some opinions on this topic

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On the nail.


Rev 6:5-6
5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
KJV

That "A measure of wheat for a penny, ..." is an expression that a whole day's wages is needed to buy just a loaf of bread. The latter part, "hurt not the oil and the wine" is for Christ's faithful that stay in His Word. The Oil represents The Holy Spirit, and the wine represents the 'new wine', i.e., God's Word full strength. So those in Christ are supposed... to understand what's going on by help of The Holy Spirit. You obviously have been listening to The Holy Spirit about that 'black horse' prophecy, and looking to see if it is coming to pass. It is, and actually has been in the globalist's works for a long time, even before we were born. The globalists began taking over the world's economies around the end of the 19th century. And in 1971 when Nixon allowed them to completely remove the gold standard backing of the U.S. dollar, that really set this in motion.

Here's Jesus' parallel to that black horse event in His Olivet discourse.

Matt 24:7-8
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
KJV

That's where I see we are today, in that period Jesus called "the beginning of sorrows".

The actual tribulation timing starts later with the false one coming and placing the "abomination of desolation", per Matthew 24:15. From that verse to verse 29 is tribulation timing, the latter half of Daniel's symbolic "one week" of Daniel 9:27. It's a period at the very END of 1260 days, or 42 months, or a time, times, and half a time.

shortangel said:

i hope there isn't another post on this topic but with inflation & gas prices & food shortages does anyone think that the black horse of famine mentioned in Rev 6 is happening? i kind of think it is but i just wanted some opinions on this topic

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Nobody owns the topic, sister, so feel free. I still believe it myself.

In case there's something you would benefit from in this:
The Black Horse Is Coming Soon

P.S. The video in the OP no longer plays because it went private, but it was good. Maybe click on the YouTube link to get to it that way.
- H

Hidden In Him said:

P.S. The video in the OP no longer plays because it went private, but it was good. Maybe click on the YouTube link to get to it that way.

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No, can't get to it that way either, and it was better than the following, but it focused on the scarcity of wheat, which relates directly to the verse on the Black Horse in revelation.


So you understand, the powers that be are going to exacerbate the problem and exploit it to make sure there are severe shortages of wheat before the end, and by design. The good news is we have awhile to go before that time comes however - decades IMO.

The following is heavy reading, but sums up how it all ends for those who do not know Christ.
A World Of Masters And Slaves

shortangel said:

i hope there isn't another post on this topic but with inflation & gas prices & food shortages does anyone think that the black horse of famine mentioned in Rev 6 is happening? i kind of think it is but i just wanted some opinions on this topic

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I think things in Revelation can happen over and over again, from one generation to the next. We are always being tested, aren't we? But we should have faith.

shortangel said:

i hope there isn't another post on this topic but with inflation & gas prices & food shortages does anyone think that the black horse of famine mentioned in Rev 6 is happening? i kind of think it is but i just wanted some opinions on this topic

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Wait until people all over are waiting in line for six hours to buy a loaf of stale bread for $70 to feed their family for a week... That's famine, but even that is not necessarily a sign from Revelation 6. In either case, it's going to be a hard and sad struggle for so many.

Philologos said:

Wait until people all over are waiting in line for six hours to buy a loaf of stale bread for $70 to feed their family for a week... That's famine, but even that is not necessarily a sign from Revelation 6. In either case, it's going to be a hard and sad struggle for so many.

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Yeah I am reading this while eating a nice breakfast of andouille sausage, eggs and toasts and thanking the Lord for it. We aren't there yet. Things will get ugly when people get hungry...

shortangel said:

i hope there isn't another post on this topic but with inflation & gas prices & food shortages does anyone think that the black horse of famine mentioned in Rev 6 is happening? i kind of think it is but i just wanted some opinions on this topic

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The black horse of famine though, I wonder if it has more to do with the famine for hearing God…than it has to do with literal bread. Because I think of verses like: don’t work for the bread that perishes. Even in trying to look up that verse …another comes up in Luke about not having enough bread to spare and perishing with hunger. To me that all points to Christ who said He is the bread, and how if any thirst or Hungers to come to Him. Even Paul spoke of nothing can separate them from the love of God…one in the list was famine.

in those passages of the black horse and famine…it is familiar. Do we not read it every day and debate over the parable about bread and wheat. For example the balances …and how God hates an unjust balance. And “wheat” which if I’m not mistaken we talk about leaven …but we don’t apply it to literal bread that is leavened. And a “penny” …most of all the “bread” which Christ referred to as Himself. Famine, wheat, balances, and bread …when the black horse goes out…what Famine is being spoke of? on the bright side…there is the parable of the bread and fish.

The black horse is coming soon…
Then isn’t Christ ahead of the black horse?
In that He comes that they might have Life and have it more abundantly?

Did Christ not come ahead of the black horse of famine, in The giving and breaking of bread? Matthew 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.

Points to be considered:

1/ Are the seals, trumpets and bowls a progression of events?

2/ Have the first five seals been opened already?

3/ Is the Sixth Seal actually the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath?

4/ Is there a literal explanation of the Sixth Seal?


1/ All the commentaries that I have perused and most of the Bible scholars I have asked, agree on the chronological sequence of the seals, trumpets and bowls. It is only those with the agenda of the next event being a war and all the wrath of God is to be poured out at the Return, who place them out of the sequence as given.
Also a preterist will say it’s all past history or abrogated by Christ’s atonement.

2/ Although some say that because the description of the four horsemen and how they have been released already, as in Zechariah 1:8-11 and Zechariah 6:1-8, do not exactly match that described in Revelation 6:1-8, then they are different events. However, I see this as just an attempt to maintain their beliefs, especially those who hold to a pre trib/wrath rapture.
The Fifth Seal is telling those saints that have been martyred, they must wait until their number is complete. Matthew 23:35 Jesus said:...from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah... This significant quote confirms that the first five seals were opened after the murder of Zechariah and their number will be completed by all who have been and will be killed from the time of Zechariah until the Return.

3/ The Sixth Seal matches quite closely the many prophecies of the worldwide Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, found throughout the OT and the NT. This event simply does not match the 3 clear descriptions of the Return of Jesus and what happens then. Zechariah 14:4-9, Matthew 24:30-31, Revelation 19:11-21
As for thinking that because it is the people who say; ‘Fall on us, for the Day of wrath has come’, then it isn’t a true statement, this is totally unbelievable because they haven’t said it yet and it is actually a prophecy of Jesus, as given to John.

4/ Prophecy should be understood literally, unless there is an obvious allegory and then it is most often explained literally in other passages. With hindsight and modern scientific knowledge, it is now possible to know what will happen and right now the fulfilment of Psalms 83:1-8 and Micah 4:11-12 is staring us in the face.


The sequence of judgements/ punishments as revealed by Jesus to John in Revelation, will occur as written and the next event will be the Sixth seal, the Great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, the Day the Lord destroys His enemies. All the graphically described effects of a worldwide devastation will happen by the means He will use, a coronal mass ejection, Isaiah 30:26, which will literally fulfil all the prophecies.

Be aware and be prepared, or remain ‘in the dark’, and be shocked and terrified when it does happen.

Keraz said:

1/ Are the seals, trumpets and bowls a progression of events?

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Yes.

Keraz said:

2/ Have the first five seals been opened already?

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Long time ago.

Keraz said:

3/ Is the Sixth Seal actually the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath?

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As I view the first 3 seals, they have had a starting point in time, but not an ending point. They are in chronological order and are continuing now.

When the first seal was opened in the latter middle ages, it began a process, a campaign that was initiated which continues to this very day. Like in the old medieval kingdom days where a king would dispatch a rider on a fast horse with an important message.

So seeing how these events began quietly, then progressed as processes which spanned numerous years, and continues even now, I would imagine that the sixth seal, even while announcing the end of an age and the wrath of the Lamb, will not be opened and completed in just one day.

Keraz said:

4/ Is there a literal explanation of the Sixth Seal?

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Because I think we are already in the timing for these things, I consider that the 6th seal has just been opened in 2019. We are probably much closer to:


The first 3 seals are not what people think they are. They were good things to do with Jesus. A new revelation of Jesus. The Gospel message of Jesus, the translation and printing of the Bible, and Jesus building His church.

The black horse rider of the third seal is not about famine. People on this forum only think that because of books like the Late Great Planet Earth that they grew up with. LOL.

The third seal is Jesus building His church one brick at a time by opening the books and judging the dead.


The scales are like the scales held by Lady Justice at the Supreme Court.



Except these are Daniel's scales, the scales of Divine JUDGEMENT:


The denarius was the silver coin of the Roman empire. From the parable of the labourers in the vineyard, it would seem that a denarius was then the ordinary pay for a day's wages.

The wages, the penalty for sin is death.

In 2 Chronicles 2 when Solomon began preparations to build his temple, he paid Hiram for the materials. The wages that were given to the King of Tyre were wheat, barley, oil and wine:


These same materials are referenced once again to signal how Christ had commenced in building His Temple one brick at a time by the judgment of the dead, the cleansing of the Sanctuary to it's rightful state.

Peaceful Sabbath.

VictoryinJesus said:

The black horse of famine though, I wonder if it has more to do with the famine for hearing God…than it has to do with literal bread. Because I think of verses like: don’t work for the bread that perishes. Even in trying to look up that verse …another comes up in Luke about not having enough bread to spare and perishing with hunger. To me that all points to Christ who said He is the bread, and how if any thirst or Hungers to come to Him. Even Paul spoke of nothing can separate them from the love of God…one in the list was famine.

in those passages of the black horse and famine…it is familiar. Do we not read it every day and debate over the parable about bread and wheat. For example the balances …and how God hates an unjust balance. And “wheat” which if I’m not mistaken we talk about leaven …but we don’t apply it to literal bread that is leavened. And a “penny” …most of all the “bread” which Christ referred to as Himself. Famine, wheat, balances, and bread …when the black horse goes out…what Famine is being spoke of? on the bright side…there is the parable of the bread and fish.

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I was thinking about the days of Joseph.
Seems to me the boys were out in the fields working, there must of been some food out there for them to be working for.

Gen 37:1 And Jacob dwelt in the land wherein his father was a stranger, in the land of Canaan.

Joseph gets sent on a mission to find where his brother's are feeding their flocks. There is no mention of a famine in the land at this time. But the brothers keep moving outward into other territories.

Gen 37:12 And his brethren went to feed their father's flock in Shechem.
Gen 37:13 And Israel said unto Joseph, Do not thy brethren feed the flock in Shechem? come, and I will send thee unto them. And he said to him, Here am I.
Gen 37:14 And he said to him, Go, I pray thee, see whether it be well with thy brethren, and well with the flocks; and bring me word again. So he sent him out of the vale of Hebron, and he came to Shechem.
Gen 37:15 And a certain man found him, and, behold, he was wandering in the field: and the man asked him, saying, What seekest thou?
Gen 37:16 And he said, I seek my brethren: tell me, I pray thee, where they feed their flocks.
Gen 37:17 And the man said, They are departed hence; for I heard them say, Let us go to Dothan. And Joseph went after his brethren, and found them in Dothan.

Right before Jacob sends Joseph out to the field to find his brethren, Joseph gives them a couple prophecies concerning bundles of wheat and how their sheaths are going to bow to his sheaths.
This would be a "hearing of the word of the Lord"

Gen 37:6 And he said unto them, Hear, I pray you, this dream which I have dreamed:
Gen 37:7 For, behold, we were binding sheaves in the field, and, lo, my sheaf arose, and also stood upright; and, behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf.
Gen 37:8 And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.

Not long after this 2 things happen. Joseph gets sold into slavery in Egypt, removing the word of the Lord from Jacob's presence.
And secondly a great famine hits Canaan and they are forced to buy corn from Egypt from which Joseph will eventually become Governor of the land.

So the prophecy is both a spiritual and a physical application.

Some 2 years or so after Joseph is sold into slavery, thrown into prison, accused of by Pharaoh's wife, interprets dreams of a butler and a baker, that Pharaoh himself has a dream.

Gen 41:1 And it came to pass at the end of two full years, that Pharaoh dreamed: and, behold, he stood by the river.

Pharaoh sees famine coming. God gives him 2 dreams to confirm this, and Joseph as the interpreter of dreams.
God is with Joseph.
This is after Judah displeases the Lord and the whole debacle with Tamar and her brother.
God isn't pleased with Jacob's other's sons at this time.

But what caused the famine? Was it "climate change" ? Was it perhaps the boys left off cultivating the land to go play in the world?
Could it have been caused by enemies sabotaging their fields?

Not quite sure what is meant by "blasted with the east wind"

Gen 41:22 And I saw in my dream, and, behold, seven ears came up in one stalk, full and good:
Gen 41:23 And, behold, seven ears, withered, thin, and blasted with the east wind, sprung up after them:

My belief is, when a countries faith and dependence on God has been removed or chased out, bad weather tends to move in and fill the gap.
If that faith and dependence on God should be removed to another country, then that country will reap the benefits of Grace.

The World is in a sorry state right now.
All Leaders of the world global systems are systemically pushing God out of ALL countries.
They want to be God.
The farmlands being baught up by the globalists, Bill Gates and China in North Dakota, nex to our military bases is a big concern.
Food processing plants and fertilizer plants, eggs, chickens, everything is being sabotaged, so that we will have to go to them for the solution.
And if your hungry enough, you will bow to the beast for your families sake and your own bellies sake.

If Joseph had never been sold to Egypt, then perhaps Canaan would not of experienced a famine.
But God knew the hearts of the other sons, and their greed and their hatred for their brother.
It was by their own hand they went into slavery for 400 years, even though God had mercy and sent Joseph before them.

As far as politics goes:
If Trump hadn't built up the economy as fast and as full as he did in the 4 years he was in there,
There would be no oil reserves to sell.
Without his warnings of what would happen if the election was taken by the communists,
not many people would have been preparing what little they could for what is about to get unleashed up the world.
Someday you Trump naysayers, will look back and realize he saved your lives for as long as he could, against all opposition against those who want you dead or dying, or starving, or living in fear.
They want your money, they don't care if your hungry, you can eat bugs.

Trump is coming back in 2024. And we're going to have a revival, the kind of which the world has never seen before.
And the communists will be defeated once and for all.

Yes Victory in Jesus,
It is a Famine of the Word of the Lord.
But God won't be silent for long.
Much Love
Hugs

Dave Watchman said:

Because I think we are already in the timing for these things, I consider that the 6th seal has just been opened in 2019.

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An Explanation of the Sixth Seal:

Revelation 6:12-17;

I watched as the Lamb broke the Sixth Seal, – At this moment a Coronal Mass Ejection will explode out from the sun. Isaiah 30:26, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 3:8, Jeremiah 23:19 Triggered by the attack onto Israel, as per Psalms 83, Psalms 11:4-6, Psalms 50:1-3, 2 Peter 3:7


There was a violent earthquake – The microwave effect of the short wave spectrum penetrates the earth’s crust, triggering worldwide earthquakes by tectonic plate movement. Haggai 2:6, Deuteronomy 32:22, Isaiah 26:18-20, Amos 8:8-9, Psalms 18:7


The sun turned black as a funeral pall – Acts 2:20 The approaching mass of the CME will obscure the sun. Joel 2:31, Amos 5:20


The moon became a red as blood – Joel 2:31 The superheated hydrogen plasma strikes the moon and causes a thermoluminescent reaction with the metallic oxides of the moon dust. As well as: the bright red reflection of the initial flash. Isaiah 30:26a


The stars in the sky fell like ripe figs – All our satellites crash to earth, this is a known effect of the pressure wave of a CME. Isaiah 34:4, Isaiah 28:2


The sky vanished like a scroll being rolled up – Our magnetosphere and atmosphere facing the sun are pushed aside by this multi billion ton pressure wave of superheated hydrogen plasma. Jeremiah 30:23, Isaiah 34:4, 2 Peter 3:7 & 10, Isaiah 51:6
It quickly reforms, but asphyxiation may cause the deaths of many people.

Every mountain and island moved from their place – Tectonic plate movement caused by the microwave effect. Deuteronomy 32:22, Jeremiah 4:23-24, Habakkuk 3:6, Isaiah 13:13 Also may cause a magnetic pole reversal.


Everyone from high to lowly hid themselves – every person on earth will be terrified by what is coming and they will scramble for cover. Ezekiel 7:15-19, Zephaniah 1:3 & 11, Luke 21:25-26


They called out: Hide us from the wrath of the Lamb – People will dive for cover and most will survive, as they see this disaster approaching. The main mass of a CME will take 24 - 36 hours to arrive on earth. Isaiah 2:19, Isaiah 28:21-22, Jeremiah 25:38, Luke 23:30


For the great Day of the Lord has come and who can stand? Deuteronomy 32:22, Ezekiel 7:7, Zephaniah 1:14-18, Joel 1:15.

This is the great Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath, prophesied over 100 times throughout the Bible, it is this terrible event that enables the establishment of a One World Government. But those who took heed of the warnings, Isaiah 26:20-21, took shelter and at the same time called to the Lord for protection, Acts 2:21, 1 Peter 1:5, Psalms 68:1-3, Joel 2:32 & 3:16 and will receive the great blessings the Lord has for His faithful Christian people.