Why don’t you believe Satan has been defeated?

face2face said:

Whats a traducer?

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Here is a screen snipped Google sourced meaning of the word "Traducer": -



Also attached is a PDF file for your consideration.

Rev 20:10 is referenced in the first list of verses where the Greek Root Word G:1228 can be found.

Whether, "diabolos" is translated as devil or Satan is not so important if the context of the verse is not changed by the use of either word.

There are many "traducers" on this forum that we should be careful around because often their responses are loaded with claws that hurt.

Hope this helps you in your understanding.

Shalom

Jay Ross said:

Here is a screen snipped Google sourced meaning of the word "Traducer": -

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Also attached is a PDF file for your consideration.

Rev 20:10 is referenced in the first list of verses where the Greek Root Word G:1228 can be found.

Whether, "diabolos" is translated as devil or Satan is not so important if the context of the verse is not changed by the use of either word.

There are many "traducers" on this forum that we should be careful around because often their responses are loaded with claws that hurt.

Hope this helps you in your understanding.

Shalom

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As established last night the word diabolos is always used of people and not the false idea of a fallen angel. MatthewG entire premise was undone because he wouldn't enter the text but rather force non Biblical notions upon it.

MatthewG said:

No your right I haven’t. Do you believe you are superior because you have?

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How can you defend a false doctrine in a forum and admit you haven't considered the book you are referencing? You should humble yourself and go and discover the true nature of the adversary in Job rather than making up fanciful notions of some ungodly creature which doesn't exist.

face2face said:

How can you defend a false doctrine in a forum and admit you haven't considered the book you are referencing? You should humble yourself and go and discover the true nature of the adversary in Job rather than making up fanciful notions of some ungodly creature which doesn't exist.

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@MatthewG has more humility in his little finger than you do in your entirety. He is here to present what he thinks, and accepts correction IF it is done with the love of a Christian. Even now when attacked he is mature in the fruit of the Spirit.

Accept this correction from one with the authority of the office of teacher to judge the brethren, and become a witness of Christ, not some low level accuser of the brethren.

1stCenturyLady said:

@MatthewG has more humility in his little finger than you do in your entirety. He is here to present what he thinks, and accepts correction IF it is done with the love of a Christian. Even now when attacked he is mature in the fruit of the Spirit.

Accept this correction from one with the authority of the office of teacher to judge the brethren, and become a witness of Christ, not some low level accuser of the brethren.

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He will continue to teach lies and pretend to know a thing when in reality he knows nothing on this subject. He even preferred ignorance over truth. So many Christians here reference a text without any care in the world as to its true meaning. MatthewG was caught out a number of times in our discussion last night and he preferred delusion over truth. I dont often go in so hard but I felt it was warranted as his whole premise to this subject of the adversary and false accuser was in total error. He was rattled under pressure but this is nothing God will do to those who are found to be changing His Word into lies.

face2face said:

He will continue to teach lies and pretend to know a thing when in reality he knows nothing on this subject. He even preferred ignorance over truth. So many Christians here reference a text without any care in the world as to its true meaning. MatthewG was caught out a number of times in our discussion last night and he preferred delusion over truth. I dont often go in so hard but I felt it was warranted as his whole premise to this subject of the adversary and false accuser was in total error. He was rattled under pressure but this is nothing God will do to those who are found to be changing His Word into lies.

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Without love, you are nothing.

Show the verse and the meaning showing other scripture that corroborates your interpretation. Scripture interprets scripture. No verse stands alone for personal interpretation. And no scripture contradicts scripture without reason. What just provoking anger proves is not in your favor.

1stCenturyLady said:

Without love, you are nothing.

Show the verse and the meaning showing other scripture that corroborates your interpretation. Scripture interprets scripture. No verse stands alone for personal interpretation.

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2 Timothy 4:2 - reproving, rebuking and correction in righteousness is always done in love - though it can hurt. I think the love you have in mind is something different, foreign to the love Christ showed.

2 Timothy 4:3 For there will be a time when people will not tolerate sound teaching. Instead, following their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves, because they have an insatiable curiosity to hear new things. 4:4 And they will turn away from hearing the truth, but on the other hand they will turn aside to myths.

The idea of a fallen angel and an evil creature of darkness is nowhere taught in the Bible. It's a myth Christians have swallowed and to this day they are still choking on it. It's the highest form of mythological fancy to import such erroneous notions upon the Bible text and some like MatthewG delight in it. The true understanding on the subject of being an adversary and a false accuser is far more intellectually stimulating and opens the text to a beauty many like Matt could only dream of. I sense you are not willing to offend a little for the hope of God's truth being revealed?

Did MatthewG tolerate sound teaching when he learned the adversary in Job was powerless and that it was God who brought every suffering upon him?

Did MatthewG in his own posts openly acknowledge he wanted to follow his own desires on this subject?

When he misquoted Rev 20:10 did he show any desire to discover the true nature of the false accuser in that section of prophecy?

You must be careful not to imply a humanistic love because you know how jealous God is for His truth and we need to be in fear of the consequences of changing it.

F2F.

face2face said:

As established last night the word diabolos is always used of people and not the false idea of a fallen angel. MatthewG entire premise was undone because he wouldn't enter the text but rather force non Biblical notions upon it.

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Face2face, please allow me to correct your wrong notion that diabolos is always used of people and not the false idea of a fallen angel. Below I have taken the liberty of compiling the 38 occurrences where the Greek Root word G:1228 is found in the New Testament. Of the 37 times that the Geek Root word is found and also embedded in other Greek words. In John 6:70, Jesus tell his disciples that one of their number is a devil, and the tic indicates that it is from below and not is not from above. In 1 timothy 3:11 we are told that wives should not be slanders and in 1Titus 2:3 we are told that older women should not becomes false accusers. Also in 2 Timothy 3:3 we are told that in the last days that men will become false accusers.

Here is the list of verses where G:1228 can be found used within the New Testament: -

1. Matthew 4:1: - 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2. Matthew 4:5: - 5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
3. Matthew 4:8: - 8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
4. Matthew 4:11: - 11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
5. Matthew 13:39: - 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
6. Matthew 25:41: - 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
7. Luke 4:2: - 2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.
8. Luke 4:3: - 3 And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
9. Luke 4:6: - 6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
10. Luke 4:13: - 13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.
11. Luke 8:12: - 12 Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.
12. John 6:70: - 70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
13. John 8:44: - 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
14. John 13:2: - 2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;
15. Acts 10:38: - 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
16. Acts 13:10: - 10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
17. Ephesians 4:27: - 27 Neither give place to the devil.
18. Ephesians 6:11: - 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
19. 1 Timothy 3:6: - 6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
20. 1 Timothy 3:7: - 7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
21. 1 Timothy 3:11: - 11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
22. 2 Timothy 2:26: - 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
23. 2 Timothy 3:3: - 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
24. Titus 2:3: - 3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
25. Hebrews 2:14: - 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
26. James 4:7: - 7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
27. 1 Peter 5:8: - 8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
28. 1 John 3:8: - 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
29. 1 John 3:8: - 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
30. 1 John 3:8: - 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
31. 1 John 3:10: - 10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
32. Jude 9: - 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
33. Revelation 2:10: - 10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
34. Revelation 12:9: - 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
35. Revelation 12:12: - 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
36. Revelation 20:2: - 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
37. Revelation 20:10: - 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

From the above list we can see that G:1228, diabolos, is mainly used to describe the "devil" who is also known as Satan and Satan is a fallen angel.

I hope this helps you in your understanding of the scriptures.

Shalom