My decision on the Sabbath

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Ok, after thinking really hard and reading I see that "Yes" things changed dramatically. Paul met with the Jews on the Sabbath and when he did it was said he did so "as was his custom". It is clear that the term "custom" was used very purposley in contrast to a "commandment". A custom is something which is optional as opposed to a command.The Bible says that we should not judge our brothers for choosing one day above another and also those who choose all days alike. Not to be judged on your actions concerning the Sabbath, new moon festivals etc.That Christs beleivers met on other days to gather and worship is apparent.Morally the Ten comandments stand but the law as such was abolished in a sense. It failed. That we should still gather on a designated day is too apparent as we are told not to forsake the fellowship of the saints as some do. I could go on I guess but thats where I will leave it.
 

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If I may ask, how do you feel about this decision? If I were you, I think I'd feel it was a temporary decision because I have to make one, so I made one, kind of thing.I mean, I guess, do you know you are right?
 

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Ok, after thinking really hard and reading I see that "Yes" things changed dramatically. Paul met with the Jews on the Sabbath and when he did it was said he did so "as was his custom".
Paul met with Greeks on the Sabbath as well. Acts 13, 17. "As was his custom" does not refer to Paul in the scripture but Jesus:Luke 4:16And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.Paul being a Pharisees was never brought up on charges that he did not keep the whole law of Moses. Acts 23.
It is clear that the term "custom" was used very purposley in contrast to a "commandment". A custom is something which is optional as opposed to a command.
A custom refers more to a 'habit' or something that was done as a result of upbringing and teaching.
The Bible says that we should not judge our brothers for choosing one day above another and also those who choose all days alike.
Yet, the word sabbath can't be found in Romans 14.
Not to be judged on your actions concerning the Sabbath, new moon festivals etc.
Intereting then isn't it that the 10 Commandments never mention 'new moons or festivals'? Those are mentioned in the Mosaic law.
That Christs beleivers met on other days to gather and worship is apparent.
Where?
Morally the Ten comandments stand but the law as such was abolished in a sense. It failed.
You mean it no longer reveals sin? How so? And since we are saved by grace are we free to continue in sin?
That we should still gather on a designated day is too apparent as we are told not to forsake the fellowship of the saints as some do.
What day? If not God's day then who's day?
 

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Romans 14:5-6 (New International Version) 5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.Clearly the point is that we do it all "to the Lord"Matthew 12:1-61At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath." 3He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent?...6'I desire mercy, not sacrifice...The sabbath was created for man, not man for the sabbath.
 

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There is nothing wrong with keeping the Sabbath. I mean, we are suppose to remember the Sabbath. The main church gathering should be on Sunday because that is the day of Resurrection. However, we are suppose to worship God every given moment, rather than just on Sundays.Think of it as this way. Sunday is one extra day to not do work, and worship God more.
 

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There is nothing wrong with keeping the Sabbath. I mean, we are suppose to remember the Sabbath.
Um, we're not suppose to just remember it, as we would remember an old friend from years gone by, but according to scripture, we are suppose to rest from our work that day and join the Lord in celebration and bonding.
The main church gathering should be on Sunday because that is the day of Resurrection.
Is there anything in scripture that changes the day of gathering from the sabbath to sunday?
However, we are suppose to worship God every given moment, rather than just on Sundays.
Or, more properly, the sabbath.
Think of it as this way. Sunday is one extra day to not do work, and worship God more.
By what commandment do you make such a statement?
 

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Romans 14:5-6 (New International Version) 5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.Clearly the point is that we do it all "to the Lord"
Except the word sabbath isn't found in Romans 14. The chapter is refering to foods sacrificed to idols.
Matthew 12:1-61At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, "Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath." 3He answered, "Haven't you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5Or haven't you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent?...6'I desire mercy, not sacrifice...The sabbath was created for man, not man for the sabbath.
And what better way to learn about mercy than to study it on God's Holy Day, the sabbath. Certainly, you aren't suggesting Jesus was a law breaker.
 

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Colossians 2:16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath dayThere is nothing wrong with adhearing to the Sabbath but it is not a requirement
 

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Um, we're not suppose to just remember it, as we would remember an old friend from years gone by, but according to scripture, we are suppose to rest from our work that day and join the Lord in celebration and bonding.By what commandment do you make such a statement?
Americans generally don't work on Sundays. So we should spend it worshiping God. And what point would having a Sabbath be if we are suppose to worship him everyday, and not just one day a week.
 

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As quoted by Kriss: "there is nothing wrong with adhering to the Sabbath but it is not a requirement." I don't wish to but in and seem disagreeable, but their are very few things I find in the Bible that God personally scantified, hallowed, and emphasised we remember, so yeah, I personally kinda think it is a requirement.thanks;doc8645
 

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The New Testament is the only infallible guide of what part of the Mosaic law continues to be binding in any sense upon the church age believer. The New Testament plainly teaches that the believer today is not bound to the Sabbath law! "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ" (Col. 2:16-17). According to the New Testament epistles, the Sabbath question has no relevance to the church. In all the instruction God gave the churches in the epistles, there is only one mention of the Sabbath—Colossians 2:16—and that one mention was only to show that it is not binding upon New Testament believers. Is it not strange, in light of the fact that the New Testament epistles mention the Sabbath only once and that only to show it is not now binding, The Apostles, in their writings, placed absolutely no importance on the Sabbath. The Apostle Paul said the Sabbath is not for me. 3. The Sabbath was a type of salvation. "There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his" (He. 4:9,10). If we admit that the Old Testament types and shadows, such as the Levitical offerings, were fulfilled in the life and death of the Lord Jesus Christ In Hebrews 4, though, the Sabbath is presented as a type of salvation. As God rested on the seventh day from His work of creation, the true believer today rests in the completed work of the Lord Jesus Christ. In order to enter God’s rest, a person must quietly accept God’s work and cease from his own work. Salvation is God’s gift.
 

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Americans generally don't work on Sundays.
I understand. However my question, in relation to your comment that "The main church gathering should be on Sunday because that is the day of Resurrection" was by what Biblical commandment, dictate, etc. was the seventh-day sabbath changed to Sunday?
So we should spend it worshiping God.
Where in the Bible is the 4th commandment changed to Sunday?
And what point would having a Sabbath be if we are suppose to worship him everyday, and not just one day a week.
No doubt, but what day should we be 'resting' from our works and labor, and by what commandment was this changed?
 

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Colossians 2:16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath dayThere is nothing wrong with adhearing to the Sabbath but it is not a requirement
Colossians 2:14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;The 10 Commandments, where we find the 4th Commandment describing the Seventh-day Sabbath, were not written by hand but rather by God's own finger. Stone, on which the commandments were written, is not easily nailed to a cross, like a book might be.Also, it is important to note that the sabbath was kept before there was any such written requirements to do so. See Exodus 16.The second chapter in Colossians speaks about the Mosaic law, not about the 10 Commandments. This is easily recognized by what is written in verses 20, 21, 22.20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?The 10 Commandments has absolutely no requirements in it for what one is allowed to touch, what one is allowed to eat or what one is allowed to handle. Basically, what Paul is saying is, "If you are dead with Christ why subject yourself to ordinances after the commandments and doctrines of men?"I agree with Paul, which is why I go to church on the Sabbath.
 

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There is much evidence in the Bible and in other historical sources that the early Christians, from the days of the Apostles, met and worshiped on the first day of the week, rather than on the Sabbath. Bible evidence pertaining to the first day of the week. 1. On the first day Jesus rose from the dead (Mk. 16:9).2. On the first day Jesus first appeared to his disciples (Mk. 16:9).3. On the first day Jesus met with the disciples at different places and repeatedly (Mk. 16:9-11; Mt. 28:8-10; Lk. 24:34; Mk. 16:12-13; Jn. 20:19-23).4. On the first day Jesus blessed the disciples (Jn. 20:19).5. On the first day Jesus imparted to the disciples the gift of the Holy Spirit (Jn. 20:22).6. On the first day Jesus commissioned the disciples to preach the gospel to all the world (Jn. 20:21; with Mk. 16:9-15).7. On the first day Jesus ascended to Heaven, was seated at the right hand of the Father and was made Head of all (Jn. 20:17; Ep. 1:20).8. On the first day many of the dead saints arose from the grave (Mt. 27:52-53).9. The first day became the day of joy and rejoicing to the disciples (Jn. 20:20; Lk. 24:41).10. On the first day the gospel of the risen Christ was first preached (Lk. 24:34). 11. On the first day Jesus explained the Scriptures to the disciples (Lk. 24:27,45).12. On the first day the purchase of our redemption was completed (Ro. 4:25).13. On the first day the Holy Spirit descended (Ac. 2:1). Pentecost was on the 50th day after the Sabbath following the wave offering (Le. 23:15,16). Thus Pentecost was always on a Sunday. 14. The Christians met to worship on the first day (Ac. 20:6,7; 1 Co. 16:2). Sunday is "the Lord’s Day" (Re. 1:10) Since those days, the vast majority of Christians have always met to worship on the Lord’s day, the first day of the week. They do this in honor of the resurrection of their Savior. Christ was in the tomb during the Sabbath, and rose as the firstborn from the dead on the first day. The Sabbath signifies the last day of the old creation (Ge. 2:2). Sunday is the first day of the new creation.
 

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Sunday is not the Sabbath; it is not even a holy day. Christians do not observe a first day Sabbath in assembling on Sunday. The New Testament believer, redeemed from the obligations of the Mosaic law, is free to observe or not to observe holy days as he pleases. (Of course no Christian should forsake the assembling together on Sundays and other days, but every Christian is free to honor or not to honor days.) Romans 14:1-13 and Colossians 2:16 clearly state that believers are not to be judged in respect to holy days. The Galatians’ observation of holy days caused the Apostle Paul to fear that they were not even saved! "Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. ... I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you" (Ga. 4:10-11,20)."Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? ... One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind" (Ro. 14:4-5). "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days" (Col. 2:16).Christ doesnt care what day you worship only that you do anymore than he cares what church you attend so long as it follows his word. No church was ever appointed to arise in the last days, Sunday (or any other day) worshipers are not taking the mark of the beast. the pope is not the anti christ these are all mens/womens religious belief and none are biblical.
 

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As quoted by Kriss: "there is nothing wrong with adhering to the Sabbath but it is not a requirement." I don't wish to but in and seem disagreeable, but their are very few things I find in the Bible that God personally scantified, hallowed, and emphasised we remember, so yeah, I personally kinda think it is a requirement.thanks;doc8645
Amen Brother!
 

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Sunday is not the Sabbath; it is not even a holy day.
Then why assemble on it?
Christians do not observe a first day Sabbath in assembling on Sunday.
No doubt!
The New Testament believer, redeemed from the obligations of the Mosaic law, is free to observe or not to observe holy days as he pleases. (Of course no Christian should forsake the assembling together on Sundays and other days, but every Christian is free to honor or not to honor days.)
Except, a Christian would be hard pressed to find anywhere in the NT where there is a commandment to begin worshipping on Sundays. Jesus even said that His commandments were weakened by man made traditions.Matthew 15:9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.The Sunday observance is a doctrine of men. It's is not from God.
Romans 14:1-13 and Colossians 2:16 clearly state that believers are not to be judged in respect to holy days. The Galatians’ observation of holy days caused the Apostle Paul to fear that they were not even saved!
Romans 14 is not discussing the sabbath but eating food sacrificed to idols. And as I've already pointed out Colossions 2 is discussing the Mosaic law, not the 10 Commandments.
"Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain. ... I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you" (Ga. 4:10-11,20).
Mosaic law. Not the 10 commandments.
"Who art thou that judgest another man’s servant? ... One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind" (Ro. 14:4-5).
Romans 14: 1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.Is there anything 'doubtful' about the 10 Commandments?
"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days" (Col. 2:16).
Colossions 2:8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.Sunday is from men, the Sabbath is from God.
Christ doesnt care what day you worship only that you do anymore than he cares what church you attend so long as it follows his word.
What about murder, adultery, stealing and idol worship? Does Christ care about those things?
No church was ever appointed to arise in the last days, Sunday (or any other day) worshipers are not taking the mark of the beast.
Then why do the saints keep the commandments of God? What commandments are they keeping?
the pope is not the anti christ these are all mens religious belief and none are biblical.
Exactly! Sunday is from men, Sabbath is from God, therefore Sunday is man's 'relgious' belief, not the Lord's.
 

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You could be a winner! The rules are simple to receive the cash in hand:Find ONE Bible Scripture in the Authorized King James Bible that says the Lord changed the Sabbath from the Seventh-Day to the First-day of the week for the New Testament Christian.If you send me that verse, you will receive the cash!
 

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The Lord came to fufill he is our Sabbath there is no day of the week that will save your soul.This is why it is a commandment because Christ became our Sabbath (rest) Colossians 2:16 clearly state that believers are not to be judged in respect to holy days. The Galatians’ observation of holy days caused the Apostle Paul to fear that they were not even saved! clearly it is the Lord we should base our worship on not a DayIs this not one of things Jesus was criticized for by the Sadducees and the Pharisee's ?Jesus at a Pharisee's House Luke14:1 One Sabbath, when Jesus went to eat in the house of a prominent Pharisee, he was being carefully watched. 2There in front of him was a man suffering from dropsy. 3Jesus asked the Pharisees and experts in the law, "Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath or not?" 4But they remained silent. So taking hold of the man, he healed him and sent him away. 5Then he asked them, "If one of you has a son[a] or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull him out?" 6And they had nothing to say.futher more the days of the week were not even named till about 200A.D. and man named them not God thus Saturday is from Saturn.
 

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You could be a winner! The rules are simple to receive the cash in hand:Find ONE Bible Scripture in the Authorized King James Bible that says the Lord changed the Sabbath from the Seventh-Day to the First-day of the week for the New Testament Christian.If you send me that verse, you will receive the cash!
It isn't even applicable sense the bible doesn't say he changed it he became it(our Sabbath)rest.Which is why the Jews still observe it they never accepted Christ( our Sabbath) so they must still observe the day we are not subject to it because Christ is our Sabbath. This is why its ok to worship on Sunday or any other day as the Sabbath for the Christian has nothing to do with a day of the week. It is also why it is mentioned once in the new testament why Paul said it wasn't for him. The christians sabbath(rest) is our Lord and Savoir Jesus Christ.