All the kindreds of the earth be blessed

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Israelsson

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Down here in Satan's kingdom (Earth)
“Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.”
We are now going to endeavor to determine what this passage is saying, and what it is not! There are several related Scriptures throughout the Bible pertaining to this same subject, and it is imperative that we understand their context in every instance. There is probably no other group of related passages taken so entirely out-of-context than these. It might appear, at first sight, that these passages are all-inclusive in a universal sense to include all the peoples of the world. Actually, the opposite is true as these passages are exclusive rather than inclusive. And to use the term “exclusive” is an understatement. But before we get into the gist of this thing we must investigate the previous happenings which led up to Peter referring back to the Abrahamic Covenant.
While Peter did quite well, for that period of time, he was not fully aware of who all true Israel was. Therefore, he at times addressed the wrong people by that name. He didn’t really begin to understand until Acts chapter 10 when he had the vision of a vessel being lowered down to him as a great “four cornered ... knit sheet” with all kinds of unclean creatures. Now, most of the inept pastors of our day use Peter’s vision as a license to eat unclean food to the detriment of their health. Actually, the unclean creatures which Peter saw were the lost tribes of Israel. It is important to note that it was a “four cornered sheet” that he saw. That “four cornered sheet” represents the four sided encampment when Israel was in the wilderness described at Numbers chapter 2, and Revelation 21:16, as the “city ... four-square.” TheGreek word τετράγωνος at this verse means “with four equal angles” i.e. four-cornered. And when we read at Acts 10:15:
“And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.”
At this point it is necessary, then, to understand what it was that “God hath cleansed.” Israel was cleansed by sacrifice of crucifixion, i.e.: Isaiah 1:25-27; Jer. 13:27; 33:8; Ezek. 36:25, 29, 33; Joel 3:21; John 13:10, 15:3; Heb. 1:3; 10:19-23; Titus 2:14; 1 John 1:7, 3:1-5. William Finck’s translation at Romans 2:12 shows that Paul makes this clear:
“For as many as have done wrong without law, without law then are they cleansed; and as many as have done wrong in the law, by the law they will be judged.” Also note Ezek. 22:26 & 44:23.
It is simply silly for all these modern-day preachers going around proclaiming “we must be born again” so we can be cleansed, for we (like in Peter’s vision) are already cleansed! What we need is conversion! Modern-day churchianity is making the same mistake as Nicodemus did! Yahshua meant “you must be born from above”, not “be born again”, and there’s a lot of difference!
At Acts 1:1-4 we are told that Messiah spent 40 days from the Resurrection until His Ascension, which would have left 10 days until Pentecost. Some slickster confusion peddlers nowadays are trying to make it 99 days instead of 50. In Acts chapter 2 we are given the account of the Advent of the Holy Spirit. At Acts 2:17, Peter quotes Joel 2:28, which says:
“And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions.”
It should be noted at Acts 2:17, Peter says that this will “come to pass in the last days”, but Peter’s day of Pentecost here in Acts is not the last days! Peter, in his day, witnessed only an “earnest” (#728ἀῤῥαβών) of the Holy Spirit alluded to by Paul at 2 Cor. 1:22; 5:5; and Eph. 1:14, or a down payment or apledge of what was to come in the “last days.”
I will give you my thoughts about “speaking in tongues.” I would be among the first to affirm that there are heavenly languages among the angels. But, at the day of Pentecost the miracle was in the hearing rather than the speaking, for each group attending spoke in his own language, but those whose language was different heard them speak in his own language. When Paul later mentions that he spoke in tongues more than you all, it simply meant that Paul spoke several languages. At 1 Cor. 14:18, “I give thanks to Yahweh speaking in more languages than all of you”, followed by verse 14:19, by itself reveals the idiocy of the Charismatics and Pentecostals: “but in the assembly I wish to speak five words with my mind, in order that I may instruct others also, than a myriad of words in a language.” (Again, translation by William Finck.)
We should remember that the Baptism of the Holy Spirit at the day of Pentecost was only an “earnest” (down payment) of what we would eventually experience in the latter days. Personally, I’m looking forward to the time that I will be able to converse in every language, maybe with the exceptions of Creole and Yiddish. But to answer the question of speaking in tongues: I believe that today’s Pentecostal and Charismatic movements are a cheap counterfeit. I’ve studied extensively their history, and frankly, they’re evil to the core.
At Acts 2:25-31 we are told that the Old Testament David was a prophet, and we should keep that in mind when we read the Psalms. With this passage cited by Peter, David foretold of the life, death, burial and Resurrection of our Yahshua the Messiah. While there are many Psalms pointing toward our Redeemer, Peter was citing Psalm 16:10 in particular:
“For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.”
And although Peter was not entirely aware of who all were Israel, he said this at Acts 2:36:
“Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that Yahweh hath made him both King and Messiah, this Yahshua whom ye have crucified.”
“All the house of Israel” (before their division) would be all of the twelve tribes scattered abroad at James 1:1. If there are those who are laboring under the allusion that Peter was directing his discourse towards ‘all the peoples of the earth’, let them be hastily and mightily reproved! (Acts 2:25-28 is an exact quote of Psalm 16:8-11, the Greek of Acts differing from that of the LXX by only one single vowel!)
Then, at Acts 3:12, Peter (not yet having his vision of the “four cornered sheet”) addresses indiscriminately some of the Judaeans (who may have been from various genetic backgrounds) as “men of Israel” at the Temple (v. 1). Later, Paul would very discriminatingly and appropriately address those of them who were truly Israelites as “kinsmen according to the flesh” at Romans 9:3. At Acts 3:15, Peter mistakenly and indiscriminately accuses the same people as he cited in verse 12, and charges them unwittingly “And killed the Prince of life ...”
As I have stated before, Peter had not yet been given his vision, and therefore we must take his words in their proper context! And today, many of us are making the same kind of mistake as Peter made (and we also haven’t had our vision of who true Israel is)! Go back and count the number of corners on that “sheet”!
The following are William Finck’s comments on Romans 9:3 and Acts 3:15: “Romans 9:3: Paul spends much of Romans chapters 9 through 11 comparing the children of Jacob and Esau, the true Israelites ‘according to the flesh’ (as opposed to religion or citizenship) compared to the Canaanite-Edomites who claimed to be Israel, practicing Judaism. I perceive that Peter is laying blame for the crucifixion of Christ upon the ‘men of Israel’ at Acts 2:22, 23 and 3:12, 13 in a very general, national sense, much as if all American citizens are responsible for the actions of our current government. Surely at least some of those whom Peter addressed here were a part of the crowd during the events which transpired at Passover only seven weeks prior, and noting Leviticus 5:1, not trying to stop the ‘Jews’, they also share a burden of guilt with them; although we know that His death is not accounted to TRUE ISRAELITES. Note that at Acts 2:23, Peter says ‘and by wicked hands’, which I would translate ‘and through lawless hands.’ It is obvious that Peter did not yet truly distinguish between Israelite and Canaanite-jew-‘Israeli’, except possibly for this one statement.”
This, then, generally brings us to our topic at Acts 3:25.
WHO ARE THE “KINDREDS” HERE?
“... And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.”
This demands an investigation into the word “kindreds” as used here. It is the Greek word #3965 inStrong’s. We will use the Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon:
3965 πατριά [patria/pat·ree·ah/] n f. A derivative of 3962; Theological Dictionary of the New Testament 5:1015; Theological Dictionary of the New Testament Abridged 805; Goodrick-Kohlenberger 4255; Three occurrences; AV translates as ‘lineage’ once, ‘kindred’ once, and ‘family’ once. 1 lineage running back to some progenitor, ancestry. 2 a race or tribe. 2a a group of families, all those who in a given people lay claim to a common origin. 2b the Israelites which distributed into twelve tribes, descended from the twelve sons of Jacob, these were divided into families which were divided into houses. 3 family, in a wider sense, nation, people.”
Actually, #3965 is derived from #3962 meaning “father” or “patriarch” and partially described by the Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon: “1 generator or male ancestor. 1a either the nearest ancestor: father of the corporeal nature, natural fathers, both parents. 1b a more remote ancestor, the founder of a race or tribe, progenitor of a people, forefather: so Abraham is called, Jacob and David. 1b1 fathers i.e. ancestors, forefathers, founders of a race. 1c one advanced in years, a senior ... 2a1 the authors of a family or society of persons animated by the same spirit as himself ...”
If one will check The Dictionary of Biblical Languages, Greek N. T., by James Swanson, it all boils down to: “4255 πατριά (patria), ᾶς (as), ἡ (heµ): n.fem.; ... lineage, family line (Lk 2:4; Eph 3:15+) ....”​
For the Hebrew word ʾab, which means “father”, we will now go to A Dictionary of Biblical Languages With Semantic Domains: Hebrew (Old Testament) #3: “3 אב (ʾab): n.masc.; = Str 1; Theological Dictionary of the New Testament 4a—1. Louw-Nida Greek-English Lexicon 10.14 father, i.e., the male progenitor of an offspring, or male adoptive parent (Ge 2:24); 2. Louw-Nida Greek-English Lexicon10.14-10.48 grandfather, i.e., the male progenitor of a child’s parent (2 Sa 9:7; 16:3; 19:29 [EB 28]); 3.Louw-Nida Greek-English Lexicon 10.14-10.48 ancestor, forefather, i.e., a person many generations removed from a current generation (Ge 10:21); 4. Louw-Nida Greek-English Lexicon 68.1-68.10founder, originator, i.e., one who causes something to begin (Ge 4:20, 21; 1Ch 2:24, 42), note: including profession, or cities; 5. Louw-Nida Greek-English Lexicon 35.36-35.46 caregiver, formally, father, i.e., one who cares for persons in need, as a figurative extension of a father caring for a child’s needs (Job 29:16; Isa 9:5); 6. Louw-Nida Greek-English Lexicon 87.19-87.57 sir, formally, father, i.e., a title of respect of a lesser to a greater in authority, implying relationship and respect (2 Ki 5:13); 7. Louw-Nida Greek-English Lexicon 12.1-12.42 Father, i.e., a title of God or a false god, as the progenitor and creator of persons he has relationship with (Dt 32:6; Ps 89:27 [EB 26]; Jer 2:27); 8. Louw-Nida Greek-English Lexicon 10.1-10.13 unit: בית אב (bayit ʾab) clan, formally, house of the fathers, i.e., a subgroup of a main clan/tribe division (Ex 6:14); 9. Louw-Nida Greek-English Lexicon 10.14-10.48 unit: אב; (ʾab) ancestor, forefather, formally, fathers of fathers, i.e., a person many generations removed from a current generation (Ex 10:6).”
All this should prove that even some of the liberal universalists who write these hard to understand lexicons, when it gets right down to the nitty-gritty of original language, cannot avoid the truth of “kindreds” being a family line.
Because we are running out of space needed for this presentation, it will be necessary to continue it in another brochure under the same title designated “Part Two.” I would warn you in advance, we haven’t even begun to scratch the surface on this passage. It should already be becoming quite evident that the context is very different than what many attempt to make it mean. Almost all the mainstream “churches” take a universalist position on this passage, and sadly, many in Israel Identity follow suit.
In order to fully understand what Acts 3:25 is all about, and what this brochure and the next addresses, it will be necessary for the reader to obtain both parts of this presentation. At this point, it appears that a second flyer will be enough to wrap-up this discussion.


As I finished up part one I was saying: All this should prove that even some of the liberal universalists who write these hard to understand lexicons, when it gets right down to the nitty-gritty of original language, cannot avoid the truth of “kindreds” being a family line.
All those things [presented in part one] may not fit our description of “kindreds” at Acts 3:25, but we should now have a better general idea of its meaning, and it doesn’t include non-Adamites.
Rather, it includes Adamites, particularly those listed in Genesis chapter 10! We will now consult the Theological Dictionary Of The New Testament, editors Gerhard Kittle & Gerhard Freidrick, page 1014:
πατριά in the New Testament.
1. In the sense of ‘father’s house’ or ‘kindred’ (→ lines 8 ff.) πατριά occurs in Lk. 2:4. Joseph is ἐξοἴκου καὶ πατριᾶς Δαυίδ, cf. Lk. 1:27. Does πατριά come from a source used by the author? Even if not, it is readily explicable. ‘House of David’ implies ‘house of the ruler.’ It is thus in place to add πατριά (withκαί) in order to make it clear that the reference is simply to ancestral descent. The phrase also carries with it a reminiscence of οἶκος πατριᾶς and approximation to it. Ac. 3:25 is related to the other branch of LXX usage, → 1016, 23 ff. This πᾶσαι αἱ πατριαὶ τῆς γῆς = ‘nations’ in Peter’s address, though it refers to the promise to Abraham, agrees neither with Gn. 12:3 משפהות (φυλαί) nor Gn. 18:18; 22:18 נוים(ἔθνη). It is a further and perhaps independent extension of the customary LXX rendering of משפהות byπατριαί. It again substantiates the influence of the liturgical parts of the Psalter which were of missionary significance and which found a home in the community’s vocabulary of prayer. This prepares the way for an understanding of Eph. 3:14 f. by showing how open primitive Christianity was to this meaning ofπατριαί in the LXX.”​
Πατριά In The LXX
Again Theological Dictionary Of The New Testament, editors Gerhard Kittle & Gerhard Freidrick, page 1016:
“The word is common in the LXX, esp. in 1 and 2 Ch. It is used more often than the Heb. demands ... This proves that it was a favourite word. a. The organisation of the tribal life of the Hebrews is based on the primary cell of the family with the father as head. The union of several families (1 Ch. 23:11) forms the ‘father’s house’ as a sept (in Scotland, a division of a family or clan), the בית־אב pl. בית־אבות, shortenedאבות,1 Ch. 7:11. Cf. the stereotyped לבית אבתם. Nu. 1:2 etc. This terminus technicus ‘father’s house’ is rendered οἶκος πατριᾶς or πατριῶν in the LXX. The formula לבית אבתם is almost without exception translated κατ᾽ οἴκους πατριῶν αὐτῶν`, Nu. 2:2, 32; 4:2; 2 Ch. 35:12 etc. b. But the bigger union, the clan (משפחת) into which the septs (clans) combine as a military organisation (אלפים ideal number), can also be rendered in the LXX by πατριά, οἶκοι πατριᾶς (Ex. 6:17, 19) as well as δῆμος (Nu. 2:34; 4:22). Sometimes, then, when we find משפחים with אבת in the Masora, obscurity can arise in the LXX through the twofold use of πατριαί, 1 Ch. 6:4 [sic πατριά (plural πατριαί) does not appear at 1 Ch. 6:4. The reference should probably read 1 Ch. 6:48.]. The heads of fathers’ houses, Heb. נשיאים, ראשים, שרים,are mostly οἱ ἄρχοντες (αὐτῶν) κατ᾿ οἴκους πατριῶν, so Nu. 17:17 [sic. This reference to Num. 17:17 actually intends Num. 17:2 in the LXX. Hatch & Redpath Concordance recognizes this discrepancy and cites the verse as 17:2(17)], though sometimes also ἀρχηγοὶ οἴκων πατριῶν, e.g., Ex. 6:14, and about the same number of times ἡγούμενοι πατριῶν, e.g., 2 Ch. 5:2; Ex. 6:25: ἀρχαὶ πατριᾶς. Other terms are used on occasion. The ministering classes, the main divisions of the priesthood of Israel, can also be called בית־אבות = οἶκοι πατριῶν in Ch.: 1 Ch. 24:4; 2 Ch. 31:17; 2 Εσδρ. 22:12 abbreviated אבות(πατριαί). [2 Εσδρ. 22:12 in the LXX is what we commonly call Ezra (and is the Ezra of the A.V.), which by many LXX editions has Nehemiah incorporated into it, so that 2 Esdras 22:12 is actually Nehemiah 12:12. Both Brenton and Hatch & Redpath recognize 2 Esdras (Ezra) and Nehemiah as separate books. The Apocryphal Esdras is titled 1 Εσδρας by LXX editors.] If these senses, which also apply to the Levites, stand within the framework of the tribal division of Israel, there is in the LXX a further usage which applies to the nations ... Esp. important, however, is αἱ πατριαὶ τῶν ἐθνῶν τῆς γῆς (always for משפחות) in the sense of the ‘nations’ or ‘races.’ ... The enthronement Psalm 95, which is influenced by Deutero-Isaiah, made a deep impression on Israel through its liturgical use. This is shown by its employment in 1 Ch. 16:23-33, v. 28 πατριαὶ τῶν ἐθνῶν (עמים משפחות) ....”
Note: “Deutero-Isaiah” is a designation, meaning “second Isaiah”, made by those who doubt the author of chapters 40-66 of Isaiah was the same as that of chapters 1-39. Note that these chapters address the restoration of an Israel that had already left Palestine and even in the isles of the west (Isaiah 41), or headed there (Isaiah 66:19).
Because this reference led at times toward “universalism”, it was necessary to use ellipses deleting lexical error. Also above, I inserted in brackets explanatory notes by William Finck which were not part of Theological Dictionary Of The New Testament commentary.
I will now use William Finck’s showing every occurrence of πατριά in the LXX from the Hatch & Redpath LXX Concordance:​
Every πατριά Occurring In The LXX
Used of a family as a unit within a tribe of Israel: Exod. 6:14, 15, 17, 19, 25; 12:3;
Lev. 25:10; Num. 1:2, 4, 16, 18, 20, 22, 24, 26, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 44, 47; 2:2, 32, 34; 3:15, 20, 24, 30, 35; 4:2, 22, 29, 34, 38, 40, 42, 44, 46; 26:2, 55; 31:26; 32:38; 33:14; 36:1, 4, 7; Deut. 18:8; 29:18; Josh. 14:1; 19:51; 21:1; 22:14(twice); 2 Kings 14:7; 3 Kings 14:6; 1 Chron. 4:27, 38; 5:7, 13, 15, 24(twice); 6:19, 48, 54, 60, 61, 62, 63, 66, 70, 71; 7:2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 11, 40; 8:6, 10, 13, 28; 9:9, 13, 33, 34; 11:25; 12:30; 15:12; 23:9, 11, 24(twice); 24:3, 4(twice), 6, 30, 31(twice); 26:13, 21, 26, 31, 32; 27:1; 29:6; 2 Chron. 1:2; 5:2; 17:14; 32:2; 25:5; 31:17; 35:4, 5(twice), 12. Apoc. 1 Esdras 1:4;
2:8; 5:1, 4, 37 (or their race), 44, 63, 68, 70; 8:28, 59; 9:16; Ezra 1:5; 2:59 (and their seed), 68; 3:12; 4:2, 3; 8:1, 29; 10:16; Neh. 7:61 (or their sperm), 70, 71; 8:13; 10:34; 11:13; 12:12, 22, 23; Tobit 1:9; 5:10, 11, 13; Judith 8:2, 18; and (if I must) Esther 4:17; 9:27. The word appears in the prophets only at: Jer. 2:4; 3:14; Ezek. 45:15, and is used ambiguously at Psalm 106 (107):41. It is used synonymously as a term for one of the 12 tribes of Israel at: Num. 7:2; 13:3; 17:2(twice), 3, 6; 25:14.
This term is also used to distinguish a division of a foreign, non-Israel – and also non-Adamic – people, where we are told also who those people were specifically: Num. 25:15 (Midianites); 1 Chr. 2:55 (Kenites); and Jer. 25:9 (Chaldaeans). It is where the term “families of the nations” appears, at 1 Chron. 16:28, Psalm 21 (22):27; and Psalm 95 (96):7 only, that Kittle and Freidrick and so many others attribute “missionary significance” to the term. Everywhere else, except the few examples just given, the term is applied only to the clans of Israel! Yet how could Psalm 21 and 95 (22 and 96 in the A.V.) and 1 Chron. 16:28 be referring to any other but the Genesis 10 Adamic Nations?​
Πατριά Outside The New Testament, Theological Dictionary N.T.
“Already in Herodotus πατριά means the family as derived from the father. It is used specifically for the father’s family tree, III, 75: II, 143. But πατριαί can also mean tribes in I, 200 (= φυλαί). Elsewhere it is used for πάτρα, which can mean not only ‘country’ or ‘native city’ but also ‘house,’ ‘tribe,’ ‘family.’ So Pindar Pythia, 8, 38; Nemea, 6, 36: ‘tribe,’ ‘race.’ The central pt. is always derivation from the same father or ancestor no matter whether the reference be to nation, tribe, caste, or family. It should be noted that by linguistic formation πατριά is collective and thus concrete, not abstract.”
Surely πατριά can mean “country” or “native city” but only in the sense of fatherhood (see Liddell & Scott, πατριά “... one’s fatherland, native land, country home ...”) and in this sense Pindar used the word, which is necessarily diluted in English if one wishes to keep a translation in simple language, for not all Greek ideas fit neatly into single English words. The Greek cities were of a tribal nature, and inhabited by citizens who were generally of a single tribe, whether they be Dorian, Danaan, Ionian etc. So surely Pindar’s use of the word does not allow for any universal application of the word.
Kittle and Freidrick state here that πατριά means the family as derived from the father. It is used specifically for the father’s family tree” and then “it should be noted that by linguistic formation πατριά is collective and concrete” and so one should certainly not attempt to “spiritualize” this word! When Abraham was first given the promise that “And in thy seed shall all the kindreds (families) of the earth be blessed”, recorded at Acts 3:25 and Genesis 12:3, Abraham was standing in Haran, the ancient land of Arphaxad, the land of his own fathers. Around him dwelt a circuit of descendants of all the Genesis 10 families – the White race of Adam. These, and no other, are “all the families of the earth”; those of them who had a common father in Adam!
The other branches of the Adamic race were blessed in Abraham’s offspring, because Israel was preserved by Yahweh to perpetuate the Adamic race, to carry on the battle against Satan, the children of the enemy, and from them came forth Yahshua Christ, without whom resurrection would not be possible. The other White Adamites, while not Israel, also have the spirit which Adam had, and while this is barely within the scope of the Bible, they too will be resurrected: i.e. Luke 11:32-33, and Acts 17:22-23 (where Paul addresses Japhethite Ionians, the tribe of Athens).​
πατριά In The New Testament by William Finck
“In the New Testament πατριά is used only three times: (1) Luke 2:4 ἐξ οἴκου καὶ πατριᾶς (Genitive singular) Δαυείδ: From the house and family of David (literally). There is good reason why both terms are used: for “house”, refers to legal inheritance, while ‘family’ refers to bloodline. (2) Acts 3:25 καὶ ἐν τῶ σπέρματί σου ἐνευλογηθήσονται πᾶσαι αἱ πατριαὶ(Nominative plural) τῆς γῆς (quote of Gen. 12:3): ‘And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.’ (A.V.). Hereπατριά is in the plural and refers to those Genesis 10 families all derived from a common father, Adam through Noah. (3) Eph. 3:15 ἐξ οὖ πᾶσα πατριὰ, (Nominative singular) ἐν οὐρανοῖς καὶ ἐπὶ γῆς ὀνομάζεται (3rd person singular verb = ‘it is named’): from whom the whole family in the heavens and upon earth is named, (literally). Here Kittle and Freidrick failed to distinguish between πατριά in the plural at Acts 3:25, and in the singular at Eph. 3:15, where Paul means something entirely different. Eph. 3:15 discusses not ‘every family’, but ONE FAMILY: Not only is support for this found at Amos 3:1-6 and Matt. 15:24, but elsewhere in Paul’s own writing; at Galatians 6:10, Romans 8:29-30; 9:4-8 and many other places not so obvious in the English translation of the A.V. Eph. 3:15 clearly refers only to Israel!” [end of Finck’s remarks]
We will again see that the nations to be blessed were the Genesis 10 Adamic nations. For this we need to go back to Genesis 2:7:
“And the LORD <3068> God <430> formed <3335> man <120> [of] the dust <6083> of <4480> the ground <127>, and breathed <5301> into his nostrils <639> the breath <5397> of life <2416>; and man <120> became a living <2416> soul <5315>.”
You will notice that the Strong’s number for “ground” is 127, which is the same number as used for “earth” at Gen. 12:3 & 28:14 when the Covenants to Abram and later Jacob were made:
Genesis 12:3: “And I will bless <1288> them that bless <1288> thee, and curse <779> him that curseth <7043> thee: and in thee shall all families <4940> of the earth <127> be blessed <1288>.”
Genesis 28:14: “And thy seed <2233> shall be as the dust <6083> of the earth <776>, and thou shalt spread abroad <6555> to the west <3220>, and to the east <6924>, and to the north <6828>, and to the south <5045>: and in thee and in thy seed <2233> shall all the families <4940> of the earth <127> be blessed <1288>.”
Now the Masoretic Text is inconsistent with the parallel passages at Gen. 22:18 & 26:4 where only the Strong’s #776 word for “earth” is used. In the above verse both #127 and #776 appear, but #127 applies to “families” as it does at Gen. 12:3.
Therefore it is as much as saying, “And in thee shall all the nations of the Adamic earth be blessed.” This is a far cry from how Jew-deo-unchristianity is trying to apply Acts 3:25 today
 

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“Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.”

We are now going to endeavor to determine what this passage is saying, and what it is not! There are several related Scriptures throughout the Bible pertaining to this same subject, and it is imperative that we understand their context in every instance. There is probably no other group of related passages taken so entirely out-of-context than these. It might appear, at first sight, that these passages are all-inclusive in a universal sense to include all the peoples of the world. Actually, the opposite is true as these passages are exclusive rather than inclusive. And to use the term “exclusive” is an understatement. But before we get into the gist of this thing we must investigate the previous happenings which led up to Peter referring back to the Abrahamic Covenant.


Genesis 18:17 “And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
18 Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?”

Now read Psalms chapter 72.

Genesis 22:18 "And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice."

Genesis 26:4 "And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;"

Deuteronomy 28:1 "And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:"

Of the 550 times that goy (nations) is found in the OT it does refer at times to Israelite nations but not always. It most often refers to Gentile nations. The fact that the word chosen back there in Genesis can be used for both means that it does indeed refer to all (as in absolutely every) nation of this earth. And that is very significant.

Why? Because the nation through which the blessing would be applied would be a spiritual nation which was not present on earth at that time.


After reading that entire post I was amazed at your reasoning. But lets take it one point at a time, though it is obvious you have constructed your ideas in a chain using one to develop the next.

A conclusion is no more reliable than the premise it is founded upon. And I find your basic premises to be mistaken.
 
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It's unfortunate that Israelsson's account was disabled. I was hoping this thread would have more legs and that some other Christian Identity member might continue this discussion. From my studies there are just too many scriptures that contradict their exclusive salvation doctrine both Old and New Testament to make their position tenable:

INCLUSION OF STRANGERS

Gen_9:15 Noahide covenant was with all flesh
Gen_17:12-13
Gen_18:18 All the nations of the earth shall be blessen in him.
Gen_21:13 There was a provision made for Abraham's other child's seed. Gen_25:6
Gen_26:4
Exo_1:18-21 God gave houses unto the faithful civil disobedient Egyptian midwives
Exo_3:1
Exo_12:19
Exo_12:38 A mixed multitude went out of Egypt with the Israelites. (Later, this mixed multitude was to be separated. Neh_13:3)
Exo_12:43
Exo_12:48-49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you
Exo_18:7
Exo_18:12
Exo_18:14-17
Lev_19:34 [But] the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I [am] the LORD your God.
Num_10:29-32 Of the Midianites, Moses wife's people
Num_10:32 And it shall be, if thou go with us, yea, it shall be, that what goodness the LORD shall do unto us, the same will we do unto thee.
Jdg_4:11
1Sa_15:6 Mercy was shown unto the Kenites
Est_8:17
1Ki_8:41-43 King Solomon acknowledged that (strangers) foreigners would come to worship and petition the true God of Israel.
1Ki_8:60
2Ch_16:9 For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of [them] whose heart [is] perfect toward him.

Neh_5:17 Those of the heathen dined at the same table as Nehemiah the Governor of Judea
Psa_9:10
Psa_33:13 The LORD looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men.
Psa_34:18 The LORD [is] nigh unto them that are of a broken heart; and saveth such as be of a contrite spirit.
Psa_46:10 God will be exalted among the heathen (Goyim, nations).Act_3:25
Psa_65:2 All flesh shall come to God.
Psa_65:5 All the ends of the earth. . .
Psa_66:4 All the earth shall worship thee
Psa_67:2 All nations may experience God's saving health
Psa_67:7 All nations will fear the Lord
Psa_68:31-32 Ethiopia and the kingdoms of the earth will sing praise unto God.
Psa_117:1 O praise the LORD, all ye nations: praise him, all ye people.
Jon_3:1-10 God sent the prophet Jonah to preach to the Assyrian city of Nineveh for their salvation.
Isa_2:3 Many people shall gather to praise God
Isa 56:3-8 Faithful eunuchs and strangers will have a name greater than of sons and daughters.
Isa_14:1-2 Strangers will be joined with them, however, the following verses establish the clear dominance of the Israelite nations.
Isa_19:21-25 Egypt & Assyria and joined with Israel as blessed people
Isa_27:6 The Israelites are to blossom and fill the face of the world with fruit (proselyte Gentile believers). Col_1:6
Isa_42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Isa_45:22-23 From all the ends of the earth, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess
Isa_49:6 The redeeming prophet was sent also unto the Gentiles unto the end of the earth.
Isa 55:4-5 Many nations shall worship the LORD
Isa_56:6-7 "... mine house shall be an house of prayer for all people." Mar_11:17

Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Isa_66:20-21

Eze 14:7
Eze 47:22
Ezekiel in his vision assigned to gerim landed inheritance among the Israelites (Ezek 47:22
(from International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia)
Mic_4:2
Amo_9:11-12
Zec_2:8
Zec_9:1 The eyes of man and especially Israel are to be directed toward the LORD.
Jon_1:2 The LORD sent his prophet Jonah to preach the word of repentance to the people of Nineveh. They heard the word and were saved from destruction.
Mal_1:11 For from the rising of the sun even unto the going down of the same my name [shall be] great among the Gentiles; and in every place incense [shall be] offered unto my name, and a pure offering: for my name [shall be] great among the heathen, saith the LORD of hosts.

Mal_3:5 The stranger amongst us has certain rights
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Mat_15:30-31 Jesus healed all that came unto Him
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any [man] will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Mat 23:15 Even the Pharisees were known to have missionary journeys to acquire proselytes.
Mar_7:27 Joh_4:6 FIRST fruits are offered to Israelites but in the following account there are provisions for the humble and contrite of heart.
Mar_7:25-30 Mat_15:21-28 A Canaanite-Syro-Pheonician woman humbles herself and begs for healing at the master's table for her daughter. Jam_4:6 Isa_57:15 2Ch_34:26-27

Lest you be tempted to counter with the argument that Jesus only "healed" this woman's daughter and did not offer salvation; Here is Strong's Greek definition of salvation which shows that health is included in salvation. And in Greek they are the exact same word (Acts 27:34):<br><br>

G4991 SALVATION
s?t???´a
so¯te¯ria
so-tay-ree'-ah
Feminine of a derivative of G4990 as (properly abstract) noun; rescue or safety (physically or morally): - deliver, HEALTH, salvation, save, saving.

Mat_8:5-13 Jesus heals the slave of a faithful Roman centurion.

Mat_8:10 When Jesus heard [it], he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
Mat_8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat_8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mar_13:10 The gospel is to be preached in all nations

Luk_2:10 Christ was to bring great joy to all people

Luk_2:29-32 Jesus was to be a light unto the Gentiles

Luk_3:6 All flesh shall see the salvation of God

Luk_4:25-27 In Jesus' first sermon he explains that the prophet's were sent unto strangers of the covenant of Israel.

Luk_7:1-10 Roman centurion's encounter with Christ

Luk_10:25-37 Jesus used the example of the Good Samaritan to illustrate who is our neighbor? (We are commanded to love our neighbor.)

Luk_24:47 The gospel of repentance and remission of sins was to be preached "among all nations"

Joh_1:11-12 His own received him not But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even those that believe on his name.

Joh_3:16 God so loved the WORLD

Joh_4:6-30 Jesus offers the Samaritan woman at the well to partake of the Living Water, eventhough she is not an Israelite and is a racemixer who has had five husbands and now has a boyfriend.

Joh_4:39-42 Many Samaritans were saved, by Christ, the Saviour of the world.

Joh_4:45 The Galilaeans readily received the Lord.

Joh_6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh_10:16 "Other sheep" which are not of this fold will hear the voice of the shepherd.

Joh_11:15 Those that BELIEVE IN CHRIST are saved

Joh_11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Joh_11:52 The gathering of the Children of god scattered abroad

Joh_12:20 Certain Greeks also worshipped at the feast

Joh_18:37 Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Act_1:8 Jesus commisioned His disciples to begin at Jerusalem and Judea, then to Samaria and the uttermost part of the earth

Act_2:5-11 Holy Spirit speaking directly to multiple heathen nations on Pentecost

Act_2:5-11 Proselytes and devout men from every nation heard the disciples speaking in tongues

Act_2:21 WHOSOEVER shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Act_2:39 Act_2:47 The promise of salvation is to as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Act_3:25-26 all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Gen_26:4
Act_3:26 Though Christ was sent FIRST unto the Israelites

Act_6:1 Greeks as well as Hebrews were members of the early church.

Act_6:5 Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch was chosen with Stephen, Philip and others to be deacons

Act_8:5-8 Philip preaches in Samaria to great effect.

Act_8:14-17 Peter and John are sent to lay hands on the Samaritans to receive the Holy Ghost.

Act_8:25 Philip preached the gospel in many villages of the Samaritans.

Act_8:26-40 Philip was directed by the of the Lord to the desert to preach the gospel to an Ethiopian eunuch who was reading the book of Isaiah but having difficulty comprehending what he was reading.

Act_9:15 Paul was chosen to bear the name of the Lord befor the Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel.

Act_10:1-33 Peter's dream and contact with Cornelius, a devout Roman Centurion.

Act_10:34-35 God shows no partiality, but in every nation any one who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him.

Act_10:43 Whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Act_10:44-48 The Holy Ghost fell upon Gentiles and they were then subsequently baptized.

Act_11:1 The Gentiles also received the word of God.

Act_11:4-17 Peter re-tells his vision of the great sheet and the Gentiles receiving the Holy Ghost.

Act_11:18 The Gentiles are likewise granted repentance unto life.

Act_11:20-21 Many of the Greeks also believed the gospel.

Act_11:26 It was Greek believers in Antioch who were first called "Christians".

Act_11:27 Prophets from Jerusalem travelled to Antioch to minister to the Greeks.

Act_13:1 Simeon called "Niger" meaning "black" was one of the prophets at Antioch.

Act_13:16 Paul addressed first the men of Israel, then those that fear God. Act_13:26

Act_13:26 The children of Abraham are mentioned first, but "whosoever among you that feareth God" are also included in the call to salvation.

Act_13:42 After the Jews left, the Gentiles asked that the gospel be preached to them next sabbath.

Act_13:43 Both Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas.

Act_13:46-49 First preach unto the stubborn Jews, then unto the receptive Gentiles.

Act_14:1 A great multitude both of the Jews and of the Greeks believed.

Act_14:16 God in times past permitted all nations to walk in their own ways. (implying things have changed now)

Act_14:26-27 The door of faith was opened to the Gentiles.

Act_15:3 The conversion of the Gentiles brought great joy to all the brethren.

Act_15:7-8 The Gentiles were to hear the word of the gospel and receive the Holy Ghost.

Act_15:9 There is no spiritual difference between Christian believers.

Act_15:14 God is to take out of the Gentiles people for his name.

Act_15:17 There is a remnant to be saved from the Gentiles

Act_15:19 " " " "

Act_17:4 Many devout Greeks became believers

Act_17:12 Act_17:34 " " "

Act_17:21 Paul preaches in Athens to a crowd consisting of Greeks as well as strangers.

Act_17:26-27 God made all nations of one man (blood) that they all might seek after God.

Act_17:30-31 God commands all men to repent.

Act_18:4 Jews and Greeks came to the synagogue to hear Paul preach the gospel.

Act_18:5-6 After becoming thoroughly fed up with the Jews Paul sets out to go primarily unto the Gentiles.

Act_18:10 There were many Gentile people in Corith who became Christians.

Act_19:10 Act_20:21 The Apostles preached the word of the Lord Jesus to both Jews and Greeks.

Act_19:17-20 Jews and Greeks were converted, confessed their faith and repented.

Act_19:26 Paul's ministry to the Gentiles throughout all Asia was turning many pagan idolators to Christ.

Act_21:19 Great things were wrought among the Gentiles.

Act_22:15 Paul was to be a witness unto all men.

Act_22:21 Paul sent specifically to the Gentiles.

Act_26:17-18 Paul was made a minister to the Gentiles from the resurrected Christ Himself.

Act_26:23 Christ is a light unto God's people AND to the Gentiles.

Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and [that] they will hear it.

Rom_1:5 Faith among all nations

Rom_1:13 Faith throughout the whole world

Rom_1:13 Christian fruit from amongst Romans and other Gentiles

Rom_1:16 Salvation to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

God's Law also pertains to the Gentiles:
Rom_2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom_2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

Rom_3:19 All the world is guilty before God through the Law

Rom_3:22 The righteous of God by faith of Jesus Christ is unto ALL them that believe

Rom_3:29 God of the Jews and Gentiles

Rom_9:15 It is God alone who chooses who shall be granted mercy.

Rom_9:24-26 The Gentiles are also called of God

Rom_10:4 'to every one that believeth'

Rom_10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Rom_11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

Rom_15:10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.

Rom_16:26 God commands that the gospel is made known unto all nations

1Co_1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

2Co_5:19 Christ reconciled the world unto Himself

Gal_2:9 Apostles unto the heathen and others to the circumcision

Gal_2:12-14 The apostles fellowshipped and broke bread with the Gentiles.

Gal_3:28 Neither Jew nor Greek in Christ

Eph_2:11-16 Israelites and Gentiles are made into one man in Christ Jesus

Eph_2:19 Gentiles are now fellowcitizens with the saints

Eph_3:6 " " "

Col_1:6 The gospel is to bear fruit in all the world.

Col_1:26-28 The mystery of Christ in you is NOW being revealed to the Gentiles and every man.

Col_3:11 Christ is all and in all

1Ti_2:4 It is God's Will that all men might be saved and know the truth

1Ti_3:16 Christ was to be preached unto the Gentiles and believed on in the world.

1Ti_4:10 Saviour of all men

2Ti_4:17 that ALL the Gentiles might hear

2Ti_1:11 Paul was commissioned by Christ to be a teacher of the Gentiles

1Th_2:16 The Jews were adamantly opposed to the conversion of Gentiles.

2Th_1:10 All those that believe shall glorify God at the coming of Jesus and His angels.

Tit_2:11 Salvation has appeared to all men

Heb_5:9 Those that obey God are saved

1Jn_2:2 Jesus is the propitiation (atonement) for the sins of the whole world.

1Jn_4:14-15 Jesus is the Saviour of the world.

Rev_5:9-10 (The Lamb of God) hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people and nation

Rev_7:9 A great multitude from all nations praising before the throne of God

Rev_10:11 The prophesy is to be directed to many peoples and nations.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Rev 15:4 for all nations shall come and worship before thee
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I'm not of any such 'Christian Identity' group you mention, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

The Christian Identity movement appears to be of some later origin around the mid to late 1900's. And liberals accuse it of using what they call 'British-Israelitism' as a form of anti-Semitism.

Yet, prior to any such movement, pastors and ministers of many Christian denominations understood and taught of connections in the British Isles with the ten tribes of Israel. The Scots in their 1320 A.D. Declaration of Arbroath declared their heritage from Israel. And many Jewish rabbi of Orthodox Judaism have said long ago that the ten tribes of Israel are not Jews, and were separated from them centuries ago, and were lost (which is very Biblical).

There are some among Judah today that do not recognize the ten tribes of the house of Israel as ever... having been separated from Judah, which is why those propose the only flesh born Israelites today are Jews only. These are vehemently against any idea of the scattered ten tribes of the house of Israel being represented by European peoples that are not... Jews.

Yet the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D) stated that only those who returned from the 70 years Babylon captivity to Jerusalem to build the second temple and city began first to call themselves by the title of Jews, and foreigners that lived in the land also took that title. Per Bible history, and secular history, the ten tribes of Israel had already been removed out of the holy land PRIOR to Judah (Jews) even going in captivity to Babylon.

Thus there is... a certain amount of propaganda being used against the Biblical doctrine of the separation of the OT kingdom of Israel into two separate houses per God's Word (1 Kings 11 through 2 Kings 17). And those propagandists obviously love the fact there exists radical Christian elements that support British-Israel to use as a tool to persuade anyone from honestly looking at the possibility of the scattered ten tribes actually having migrated westward into Europe, and not as Jews, but under the identity of Gentiles, having lost their heritage from Israel during their scattering by God.
 
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I'm not of any such 'Christian Identity' group you mention, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water.

The Christian Identity movement appears to be of some later origin around the mid to late 1900's. And liberals accuse it of using what they call 'British-Israelitism' as a form of anti-Semitism.

Yet, prior to any such movement, pastors and ministers of many Christian denominations understood and taught of connections in the British Isles with the ten tribes of Israel. The Scots in their 1320 A.D. Declaration of Arbroath declared their heritage from Israel. And many Jewish rabbi of Orthodox Judaism have said long ago that the ten tribes of Israel are not Jews, and were separated from them centuries ago, and were lost (which is very Biblical).

There are some among Judah today that do not recognize the ten tribes of the house of Israel as ever... having been separated from Judah, which is why those propose the only flesh born Israelites today are Jews only. These are vehemently against any idea of the scattered ten tribes of the house of Israel being represented by European peoples that are not... Jews.

Yet the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D) stated that only those who returned from the 70 years Babylon captivity to Jerusalem to build the second temple and city began first to call themselves by the title of Jews, and foreigners that lived in the land also took that title. Per Bible history, and secular history, the ten tribes of Israel had already been removed out of the holy land PRIOR to Judah (Jews) even going in captivity to Babylon.

Thus there is... a certain amount of propaganda being used against the Biblical doctrine of the separation of the OT kingdom of Israel into two separate houses per God's Word (1 Kings 11 through 2 Kings 17). And those propagandists obviously love the fact there exists radical Christian elements that support British-Israel to use as a tool to persuade anyone from honestly looking at the possibility of the scattered ten tribes actually having migrated westward into Europe, and not as Jews, but under the identity of Gentiles, having lost their heritage from Israel during their scattering by God.

You are quite correct, Veteran. It was not my intent to cast doubt or skepticism upon the main concepts of Anglo-Israelism regarding the dispersion of the Ten Tribes of Israel (which IMO is a vital touchstone doctrine for understanding the Bible in its entirety) but merely to criticize Christian Identity's exclusive salvation only for Whites doctrine.

CI adherents can often be very belligerent with their constant "I am whiter than thou!" posturing. I believe that the true faithful Israelite Christian tribes will recieve their just first-fruits blessings of their Abrahamic birthrights but those many scriptures I posted previously also plainly declare that 'a measure' of God's mercy will be extended to a remnant of faithful righteous believers from amongst the strangers of other races throughout the world. CI falsely claims that such a belief is "Universalism" [sic] and vainly try to redefine and contort each and everyone of the scriptures passages I posted to conform to their exclusive 'whites-only' salvation doctrines.

To clarify my position, I remain adamantly opposed to miscegenation, as it degrades God's natural order of creation and adds much confusion individually and socially, but our ultimate salvation is not based upon the purity of our earthly blood lines but the willful circumcision of our hearts to the righteousness of Christ.


For if the purity of our progenitors was of great importance then the the Apostle Paul's admonitions against genealogy would be unfounded:

1Tim. 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
 

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You are quite correct, Veteran. It was not my intent to cast doubt or skepticism upon the main concepts of Anglo-Israelism regarding the dispersion of the Ten Tribes of Israel (which IMO is a vital touchstone doctrine for understanding the Bible in its entirety) but merely to criticize Christian Identity's exclusive salvation only for Whites doctrine.

CI adherents can often be very belligerent with their constant "I am whiter than thou!" posturing. I believe that the true faithful Israelite Christian tribes will recieve their just first-fruits blessings of their Abrahamic birthrights but those many scriptures I posted previously also plainly declare that 'a measure' of God's mercy will be extended to a remnant of faithful righteous believers from amongst the strangers of other races throughout the world. CI falsely claims that such a belief is "Universalism" [sic] and vainly try to redefine and contort each and everyone of the scriptures passages I posted to conform to their exclusive 'whites-only' salvation doctrines.

To clarify my position, I remain adamantly opposed to miscegenation, as it degrades God's natural order of creation and adds much confusion individually and socially, but our ultimate salvation is not based upon the purity of our earthly blood lines but the willful circumcision of our hearts to the righteousness of Christ.


For if the purity of our progenitors was of great importance then the the Apostle Paul's admonitions against genealogy would be unfounded:

1Tim. 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.


I agree with that pretty much.

I definitely agree, white supremest attitudes have no foundation in God's Plan of Salvation.

Yet I strongly believe that heeding God's Word about His prophecies to the house of Judah and house of Israel (ten tribes) is important, even for today's time. It's understood how many don't see it as important to us Gentiles, but it is very important in understanding much of His Word, and to know exactly where we are today in God's timeline of His Plan for this world.

And teaching it might... just wake up more of the people of Israel to Christ's Salvation.
 
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I agree with that pretty much.

I definitely agree, white supremest attitudes have no foundation in God's Plan of Salvation.

Yet I strongly believe that heeding God's Word about His prophecies to the house of Judah and house of Israel (ten tribes) is important, even for today's time. It's understood how many don't see it as important to us Gentiles, but it is very important in understanding much of His Word, and to know exactly where we are today in God's timeline of His Plan for this world.

And teaching it might... just wake up more of the people of Israel to Christ's Salvation.

Keep on teaching it, Brother Veteran! You'd be hard-pressed to find another doctrine with as much illuminating impact as the dispersion of The Ten Tribes of Israel. Understanding this concept is crucial to linking the Old and New Testaments together. No longer are we researching rather dull history lessons of some other Middle Eastern people who lived ages ago but we begin to see the reasons for the similarities of their ancient customs and values with those that established Western society and all of Christendom. It is also vital to understanding the deceitful nature of our anti-Christian enemies who tirelessly work against the foundations of our faith in Christ Jesus.

Have a Merry Christmas and may the Peace of God be with you and yours throughout the coming New Year! Maranatha!
 

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Men of all nations have been baptized into Christ, the seed of Abraham, and thus in Abraham all the kindreds of the earth are blessed! The children of Abraham are those who do the works of Abraham, spiritually speaking. They walk by faith, in obedience to God.

This statement is exclusive in that it excludes all those who are not in Christ, and it is inclusive in that it includes all that are in Christ, and is open to all who would believe into him by faith. It is the sword of the Lord, dividing between the spiritual and the carnal.
 

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Men of all nations have been baptized into Christ, the seed of Abraham, and thus in Abraham all the kindreds of the earth are blessed! The children of Abraham are those who do the works of Abraham, spiritually speaking. They walk by faith, in obedience to God.

This statement is exclusive in that it excludes all those who are not in Christ, and it is inclusive in that it includes all that are in Christ, and is open to all who would believe into him by faith. It is the sword of the Lord, dividing between the spiritual and the carnal.

Understood.

But that's not going to help understand God's history of how we got to today, and specifically for where and to whom a lot of His prophecies for the end are about. Not all of those prophecies that affect Christ's Church are specifically addressed to Christ's Church (i.e., written using that kind of label). Paul's Rom.9 examples from Malachi and Hosea reveal this. And when the New Testament writers link back to the prophecies of the Old Testament prophets when preaching, we are to note that and rightly divide God's Word concerning it, instead of trying to create our own formulas as to to what we need to study and what we don't. This is why Apostle Peter commanded up to be mindful of the words of God's Old Testament prophets too (2 Pet.3).
 

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Men of all nations have been baptized into Christ, the seed of Abraham, and thus in Abraham all the kindreds of the earth are blessed! The children of Abraham are those who do the works of Abraham, spiritually speaking. They walk by faith, in obedience to God.

This statement is exclusive in that it excludes all those who are not in Christ, and it is inclusive in that it includes all that are in Christ, and is open to all who would believe into him by faith. It is the sword of the Lord, dividing between the spiritual and the carnal.

Beautiful understanding Prentis.

All prophecies are specifically fulfilled in the New Testament, the New Covenant in Christ's blood. All of them. Now it only remains for believers to come to Him in the preaching of this Gospel. If people are looking for something more, then they are not guided by the Holy Spirit.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the total fulfillment of all the law and the prophets to Israel, the New Jerusalem Church, Mt Sion, City of the Living God, and fellowship in this Kingdom of God with all brethren of like precious faith, and with all the spirits of just men made perfect who've gone on before. That's what the O.T. is for, to prepare us for the Kingdom of God that Jesus ushered in 2000 years ago into His believers. We are One in Israel in Christ.j Praise Jesus!
 

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Beautiful understanding Prentis.

All prophecies are specifically fulfilled in the New Testament, the New Covenant in Christ's blood. All of them. Now it only remains for believers to come to Him in the preaching of this Gospel. If people are looking for something more, then they are not guided by the Holy Spirit.

The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the total fulfillment of all the law and the prophets to Israel, the New Jerusalem Church, Mt Sion, City of the Living God, and fellowship in this Kingdom of God with all brethren of like precious faith, and with all the spirits of just men made perfect who've gone on before. That's what the O.T. is for, to prepare us for the Kingdom of God that Jesus ushered in 2000 years ago into His believers. We are One in Israel in Christ.j Praise Jesus!

The nation of Israel will never... be destroyed. And it is going to be setup central to Christ's future Kingdom on earth to include all peoples that believe on The Saviour Jesus Christ.

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
(KJV)

That is our Lord Jesus Christ declaring the existence of Israel in His future Kingdom. Read it and heed, instead of trying to create your own Gospel of His Kingdom.
 

TheWarIs1

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You'd be hard-pressed to find another doctrine with as much illuminating impact as the dispersion of The Ten Tribes of Israel. Understanding this concept is crucial to linking the Old and New Testaments together.
I know its cliche and a maybe a small thing but James 1:1 says all 12 tribes were scattered abroad. :)
All believe all 12 tribes were lost sheep.