BeyondET
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Verse 16,38 God knows man doesn't know thus if you believe and it's with your whole heart. Many say they believe but
Is Jesus God Himself or God the Son?
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mailmandan
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Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."
If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the ONE requirement that Jesus mentions NINE different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.
*John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
See post #119. In Acts 16:30, we read - And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, (and get water baptized? NO) and you will be saved, you and your household.”
In 1 Peter 3:21, Peter tells us that baptism now saves you, yet when Peter uses this phrase he continues in the same sentence to explain exactly what he means by it. He said that baptism now saves you-not the removal of dirt from the flesh (that is, not as an outward, physical act which washes dirt from the body--that is not what saves you), "but an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (that is, as an inward, spiritual transaction between God and the individual, a transaction that is symbolized by the outward ceremony of water baptism).
*Just as the eight people in the ark were "saved THROUGH water" as they were IN THE ARK. They were not literally saved "by" the water. Hebrews 11:7 is clear on this point (..built an ARK for the SAVING of his household). *The context reveals that ONLY the righteous (Noah and his family) were DRY and therefore SAFE. In contrast, only the wicked in Noah's day came in contact with the water and they all perished.
Perverting the gospel is no laughing matter. This is what happens when you surface read pet verses taken out of context and ignore the rest of scripture instead of properly harmonizing Scripture with Scripture before reaching your conclusion on doctrine.
Redefine this one too....
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins
mailmandan
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I’m serious, please explain what the verse (Acts 2:38)says. You keep saying that I’m reading it wrong, right?
Wrangler
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It is amazing trinitarians continue to reference a very bad translation to justify their dogma.
Wrangler
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KJV is not saying what you want it to say. In modern lingo, this throne of mine is yours forever.
Don’t forget, Hebrews is quoting Psalms, referring to David’s throne, anointed by God to last forever. The son is in the line of David, yes?
amigo de christo
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And lambs do not fall for a ruse . John wrote truth , though some would reject it . But the lambs REJECT NOT THE TRUTH
NOR the AUTHOR OF SAID TRUTH .
amigo de christo
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My friend as is the adventist as is my friend . You keep hammering in the same thing .
I say tis time to expose the all inclusive false love agenda . So many are going under it and its end is and will be the SECOND death .
OF that i am fully persauded .
Truth7t7
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The Father clearly states Jesus the Son is "God" with a big capital "G" for deity
Will you now be a Greek scholar, and tell the forums how the KJV translators were wrong?
Hebrews 1:8KJV
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
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Your now the resident Greek and Hebrew Scholar?
The 1611 King James Translators were Christian scholars uncompared, brilliant God fearing men
1611 King James.Org
- TRANSLATION OVERSEER
- COMMITTEE OF TWO
- COMMITTEE OF REVISERS
- FIRST WESTMINSTER COMPANY
- FIRST CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
- FIRST OXFORD COMPANY
- SECOND CAMBRIDGE COMPANY
- SECOND OXFORD COMPANY
- SECOND WESTMINSTER COMPANY
- TRANSLATOR
- PRINTER
- Robert Barker
- CONTRIBUTORS
- (Illustrators, Geneologies, Maps, Etc.)
- John Speed (Genealogies, Map)
- Cornelis Boel (Artist/Engraver)
- John More (Map)
- Renold Elstrack (Engraver)
- Hugh Broughton (Genealogies)
At least sixty men were directly involved in the translation of the King James Bible (hereinafter KJB). Most were Translators, while a few were project overseers, revisers and editors. Some served in several roles. Who were these men? What were their backgrounds? What did they share? In what ways were they different? They were a diverse group. While some were born in large cities and towns, most were from small villages scattered throughout England. Several were the children of university graduates, most were not. They were sons of mariners, farmers, school teachers, cordwainers (leather merchants), fletchers (makers of bows and arrows), ministers, brewers, tailors, and aristocrats. All were members of the Church of England, but their religious views ran the gamut. Some were ardent Puritans, others staunch defenders of the religious establishment. Some believed in pre-destination and limited salvation as taught by John Calvin, while others believed in self-determination and universal access to heaven as taught by Jacobus Arminius.
All of the Translators were university graduates. Oxford and Cambridge claimed nearly equal numbers of Translators as alumni. All of the Translators except one were ordained Church of England priests. While several of the Translators had traveled to the Continent, only one had ventured to the New World. Most of the Translators were married men (38 of 60) with families. Most of the Translators spent a significant portion of their career associated with their colleges and universities as fellows, involved in teaching and administration. As fellows, they were not allowed to marry. As a result many delayed marriage until they had established themselves in church office away from the university. When the translation commenced in 1604-1605, the majority of the Translators, 22, were in their forties, 16 men were in their thirties, 15 in their fifties, 3 in their sixties and 3 in their twenties.
One Translator died in his thirties, six in their forties, nineteen in their fifties, sixteen in their sixties, four in their seventies, three in their eighties and one, over one hundred. Nine of the Translators died before the KJB was published in the 1611.
Most of the Translators were in comfortable economic circumstances during and after their time involved in the translation. The association and friendships they developed during the translation project generally advanced their careers. Some of the Translators went on to high church and academic office. Five went on to serve as bishops and two as archbishops.
They all had a familiarity with the ancient languages of Latin, Greek, Hebrew, and often many more. They came on the historical scene at a time when the knowledge of early biblical texts and language was exploding. Such a flowering of interest and expertise was unique. Bible historian, Gordon Campbell, has observed:
The population from which scholars can now be drawn is much larger than in the seventeenth century, but it would be difficult now to bring together a group of more than fifty scholars with the range of languages and knowledge of other disciplines that characterized the KJB Translators. (Bible – The Story of the King James Version 1611-2011 Oxford, Gordon Campbell, Oxford University Press 2010.)
For such a diverse group, they worked together in harmony during a generally contentious time. They had disagreements, to be sure, but they labored on, year after year. There were no "tell all books" published after the fact. Miles Smith remarked in his preface to the KJB, the Translators "were greater in other men's eyes than in their own, and sought truth rather than their own praise". They approached the task of translation with humility, understanding they were standing on the shoulders of giants like William Tyndale. Believers all, the Translators, according to Smith "craved the assistance of God's Spirit by prayer" as they proceeded in their work.
Though almost all were well known within the religious and academic community of the time, their involvement in the translation went largely unnoticed by the public. Their individual and group effort was not the subject of historical inquiry until many years after the fact. As a result, little information about the process of translation survived. The lives of the Translators and sometimes their very identity became obscured with time. In certain instances, the place of their birth and burial is unknown, and their family circumstance in doubt. Until this anniversary year, few could name even one Translator, let alone sixty. The following brief biographies are written in the hope to shed further light on these men who contributed so much.
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Wrangler
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God is never called the son. You are deliberately misinterpreting half Millenia old language O’ God to fit your doctrine. Read more accurate translations made in the last 50 years to grasp a proper rendering of this one verse.
God says he is the only God over and over again. Scripture says God raised Jesus from the dead. This is how you know Jesus is not God. Jesus died.
Wrangler
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praise worthy, to be sure but not infallible.
The problem with the KJV is the FROM and the TO. Fact is, we know more about older manuscripts and the ancient language than they did. And they had no knowledge of the 21st century American language we speak.
The KJV Bible is the greatest book ever written in the English language in terms of centuries of influence. It had it day in the sun and is now obsolete.
Jim B
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You keep posting the same false logic over and over and over. It is, was, and always will be false.
McFearless
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John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.
9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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McFearless
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@McFearless Wonderfully sublime passage there...........
I just love the beginning
Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty,darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.
3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.
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God is one, expressed in three different persons, get a grasp on scripture
1 John 5:7-8KJV
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
Truth7t7
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The KJV is obsolete?
More like Sodom and Gomorrah in changing God's word is taking place
The Alexandrian Text was revived in 1881 by Westcott & Hort, a text from Egypt, the minority 1% of manuscript evidence, a text the church never used or received, with this foreign corrupt text supporting all new Bible Perversions, NIV, NASB, ESV, RSV, Etc
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