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Jesus Christ is my inheritance.
And where I am, so is he.
This he promised me, and I believe it.
In this life and the next.
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One question.

Won't the Anti-christ have to come through the lineage of David and of the Jews?

They have all the prophecy and at the time their Messiah did come they rejected and crucified him.
 

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If you get past the heavy metal factor, listen to these words it's so right on for our time.
 

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One question.

Won't the Anti-christ have to come through the lineage of David and of the Jews?

They have all the prophecy and at the time their Messiah did come they rejected and crucified him.

Hi there, Blessed.

That is a very old interpretation, going all the way back to Ireneaus and Hippolytus, but it doesn't really have any Biblical support and has fallen out of favor in more recent times. I could state the reasons why, but this piece here would do a much better job of it if you were really interested in the subject.
https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1092&context=pretrib_arch
 
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Hi there, Blessed.

That is a very old interpretation, going all the way back to Ireneaus and Hippolytus, but it doesn't really have any Biblical support and has fallen out of favor in more recent times. I could state the reasons why, but this piece here would do a much better job of it if you were really interested in the subject.
https://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1092&context=pretrib_arch



Thank you. Does it give scriptural references I can search ?
 

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Thank you. Does it give scriptural references I can search ?

That's just it. That interpretation wasn't really based on scriptures but theory, so there's not really any scriptures to refute. He mentions a few passages early on that were used to build the argument, but they're more supposition based off of scriptural facts rather than scriptural passages themselves.

As for scriptures to the effect that he will be Muslim, or at the very least the leader of a Muslim empire (and they would never follow someone who wasn't), these are too numerous to present you with my own work right now. But if you could, please pray God eventually gives me the opportunity to put my work down in video form.

In the meantime, if you are curious, you might want to purchase a copy of something like The Islamic Antichrist by Joel Richardson. It is the basis of the interpretation I and numerous others subscribe to, though there is more to it than just that.
 
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Yes Hidden, i want the truth !
To be honest I have always heard the above of my post but have not researched it myself.

My understanding Islam comes through Hagars son. If that's the case how will the Jews let him in the temple to commit the AoD?

I will pray for I'm not a pre-rapture believer and God said it's from lack of knowledge my ppl perish.

Thank you.
 

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That's just it. That interpretation wasn't really based on scriptures but theory, so there's not really any scriptures to refute. He mentions a few passages early on that were used to build the argument, but they're more supposition based off of scriptural facts rather than scriptural passages themselves.

As for scriptures to the effect that he will be Muslim, or at the very least the leader of a Muslim empire (and they would never follow someone who wasn't), these are too numerous to present you with my own work right now. But if you could, please pray God eventually gives me the opportunity to put my work down in video form.

In the meantime, if you are curious, you might want to purchase a copy of something like The Islamic Antichrist by Joel Richardson. It is the basis of the interpretation I and numerous others subscribe to, though there is more to it than just that.
Most muslims already follow their great Imam , Who now follows and does the we are one bidding of Francis .
No . The anti christs and anti Christ religoin will cometh of the all inclusive global powerful we are one agenda .
Its gaining far more desicples from all religoins , far more influence it has over world govts already .
Soon it will crush any and all who resist its false love .
Find a god that can unite all religoins was the goal . And they found one . They call it love
and its a god even the atheists already embrace for world peace as do all other religoins . Yet his love god is false
as is its acceptance of sins . The religoin of the dragon which will and is preparing the tribes , nations and religoins
to merge as one and find common ground , IS ALREADY HERE . And satan knowns how to use the word love
to get folks to worship HIM . cause if anyone would bother to examine its love , its one that embraces all paths
sins and says hey just love and do good to all and accept all paths cause god is love . ITS HERE NOW
and the power it has can stamp out with one breath the entire power of the muslims . Even the imams bow to this love god
and are pushing it upon their religoin , even the jews have bowed before this love god and have pushed it unto their religoins
even christendom , even buddism , even politics and all . Lovey love love is all you hear from them all , they chant god is love
YET KNOW NEITHER GOD NOR HIS LOVE . Talk about a world getting unified under the dragon who shall hand their all inclusive lovey beast
all power with the kings of this earth .
 
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Yes Hidden, i want the truth !
To be honest I have always heard the above of my post but have not researched it myself.

My understanding Islam comes through Hagars son. If that's the case how will the Jews let him in the temple to commit the AoD?

I will pray for I'm not a pre-rapture believer and God said it's from lack of knowledge my ppl perish.

Thank you.
Then examine who the mainstream religoins are following and heeding .
They are building Temples in honor of all religoins now to merge as one .
Imams are bowing before pope francis and doing his will to create a one world brotherhood , a one world religion .
Muslims imams , jewish kabbala and jews who know not Christ , even christendom has bowed to the abrahmic faith
to merge all three religoins to find common ground and cliam they all worship the same God .
And they sped up this agenda by getting all religoins to preach god is love and love has become their god .
And yet its not love that comes from GOD that they do preach . SURE the preach good works
BUT THE GOSPEL is silenced for sake of unity . Sins are accepted in the name of tolerance and love
as is this lie that all religoins are finding their own path to GOD in their own religion .
How do you get world . First you get the religoins to find common ground . THEY DID that , they all hollered god is love
Love is something that all humanity can take hold on . BUT only a sensual love .
For this love god for its unity preaches nothing that divides and omits truth for the sake of its love and its unity .
And it has infiltrated not only the false religoins but christendom itself .
I suggest we return to bibles and stop heeding these pastors who do nothing but constantly preach on love and unity
and wont bother teaching pure sound doctrine anymore . If we only knew the LOVE of GOD we would know the love they
preach GLORIFIES NOT GOD but rather accepts all paths and even sins . PS , THAT DONT SOUND LIKE GOD
its sounds like satan got hold of them all and convinced them and allured them into another love , a false unity
and it all leads to the very beast he hands all power unto . Folks , The delusion IS HERE NOW
and its uniting the world and her religoins to merge as one against the VERY GOD and VERY CHRIST OF that bible
and against HIS FOLLOWERS and all in the name of love , all in the name of unity , all in the name of tolerance .
ONLY it aint gonna have much tolerance for the true lambs who resisted the lie .
 
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He will enter by force (Luke 21:20).


Yes this song is disturbing and seems to parallel some of our angst of today's theme.

Oh so by force rather than acceptance. I'm not well studied in Revelations. I'm just trying to stay prayed up and prepared!
 

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Yes this song is disturbing and seems to parallel some of our angst of today's theme.

Oh so by force rather than acceptance. I'm not well studied in Revelations. I'm just trying to stay prayed up and prepared!

Well studied is always a good idea.

You likely won't live to see the return, but it's always good being able to teach others the word rightly : )
 
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Well studied is always a good idea.

You likely won't live to see the return, but it's always good being able to teach others the word rightly : )




Thank you for this confirmation.
I'm trying to pass on the word to my family at the moment.
I can't wait until all be fulfilled.
If I do pass I'm going to look for you Hidden on the other side for fellowship !
 

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It takes a certain amount of spiritual discernment, and not many have what it takes to see the full picture of where things are truly headed.
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WADR, I can't help but wonder how I am ever to have the spiritual discernment it takes to detect eschatologically essential political conspiracies, H. I know they're out there. I just haven't ever sensed the Holy Spirit alerting me to any of them, in particular. Even the end-time scenario to which I subscribe is hidden in plain sight. I'm fairly sure you know what I mean. Many of my fellow churchmen watch very closely the nuts and bolts of things that might link Washington to the Vatican. Every time the pope visits the States these guys' loins are loosed. I couldn't care less about the logistics. "The trouble with things that distract one from the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus (Revelation 14:12) is that they distract one from the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus," I always say. No food or gasoline shortages are going to make me disobey God.

The entire earth is soon to be plunged into one final showdown between the Kingdom of Heaven and the principalities, powers, and spiritual wickedness in high places. General ruin will be everywhere. Nearly anything could trigger that kind of woe. The global economic and social infrastructure is so fragile that I can scarcely believe it hasn't happened yet, except that I know the four angels are holding back the winds of strife until the servants of God are sealed in their foreheads, so the Gospel can go to the world and the end can come.


Then I saw another angel flying in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation, tribe, tongue, and people— saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”

And another angel followed, saying, “Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she has made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”


And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


.Always a pleasure, H. :)


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WADR, I can't help but wonder how I am ever to have the spiritual discernment it takes to detect eschatologically essential political conspiracies, H. I know they're out there. I just haven't ever sensed the Holy Spirit alerting me to any of them, in particular. Even the end-time scenario to which I subscribe is hidden in plain sight.

Were you raised SDA? The reason I'm asking is because it is indeed what Quiet likes to refer to as a "paradigm," and if you adopt it as a lens through which you see everything then that may effect how much you are able to see any other. That's kinda how I view SDAs, if I can speak frankly, and with you I'm assuming I can. Because the Catholic Church is indeed destined to play an important role in the end-time scenario - one unfortunately in the service of evil - there is always evidence surfacing to this effect and will be until the end. But there are other forces at play besides just the Vatican, and this is where I see the weakness in the SDA paradigm. In disagreement with Brakelite, I don't think all roads still lead to Rome, any more now spiritually than they do in the literal sense. They lead to wherever Evil in very high places is now situated.

Let me just give you this to think about: The Catholic Church is not the spearhead of the homosexual movement in the earth. They will join it someday and teach that it is acceptable for a Christian to be homosexual, but they are not the driving force. They will simply be along for the ride, and siding with the most powerful forces of evil, not driving it.

In short, the RCC is the whore, not the Beast, and this is where I think SDAs make their biggest mistake. She will not be the driver, she will merely be in league with more powerful evil forces in the world, and riding along in harmony with them to their inevitable destruction.
 
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Let me just give you this to think about: The Catholic Church is not the spearhead of the homosexual movement in the earth. They will join it someday and teach that it is acceptable for a Christian to be homosexual, but they are not the driving force. They will simply be along for the ride, and siding with the most powerful forces of evil, not driving it.

There is no "spearhead of homosexual movement". Romans 1 points out that at a certain point God reprobates humankind. Like when God hardened Pharaoh's heart and mind. Instead of being double minded and waffling back and forth, humans are forced into certain sins and literally cannot change their minds once society has accepted such sins. The only thing that can happen is total destruction like Sodom and Gomorrah. A society that is totally reprobate is one on the brink of destruction.

God does not spearhead the movement, but God's involvement leads to a society that can never return to a point of forgiveness.

"Wherefore God also gave them up"

"For this cause God gave them up"

"God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"

When all a society can do is act out their sin, without any other choice, that is a dangerous place to be at.