Learning What the Dialectic is and Identifying It is Not Easy
On September 27, 2011 I posted "Speaking Like A Dragon: Revelation 13: 11, and the Dialectic."
God's way of communicating has always been the didactic. When Satan
tempted Christ in Matthew 4: 3-11, Satan's temptations didn't work on Jesus.
It didn't move him one inch off his "thesis." He answered the devil
with the didactic, "It is written" (Matthew 3: 10).
But Hegel and then Marx and Freud decided that there is no God and
began to say there is no absolute
truth and no absolute morality. Everything is an opinion. Remember the
"Hegelian dialectic?" Remember "dialectical materialism" in Marxism?
The dialectic can be used in Christian or secular Internet forums almost as well as in face to face groups, and without a trained facilitator. To some extent, having lived within a society and church system that uses the dialectic as its main form of dialogue, many learn something anyway about being a facilitator of the dialectic.
In Christian dialogue, the person who wants to cause others to accept his interpretation of scripture or wants to defend his position against another or others who do not agree, may use the dialectic. Or, a member of a forum who just wants to argue endlessly may use he dialectic.
One reason its hard to understand what the dialectic is, as opposed to the didactic, is because there are several ways of using the dialectic. The dialectic usually side steps the "thesis" stated, and comes against the thesis from the side in some way. In other words, the dialectic often avoids directly opposing the thesis of another, and uses a flanking maneuver, which may be done in an obviously contentious way, or not in such an obviously hostile way.
It may be a mistake to make statements without quoting scripture when an opponent is around who continually uses the dialectic. However, when you quote a scripture the user of the dialectic can come back, with "Yes, but..." and either actually quotes other scriptures which he interprets to mean something else, or just makes statements that sound like scripture, or hints at scriptures. If the person who is the target of the dialectic comes back with explanations, the dialectic user will then have an opportunity to get him into an almost endless dialogue in which the opponent uses the dialectic.
If you know that your opponent makes use of the dialectic a lot on forums, it is best not to answer him at all.
When statements of doctrines are made without quoting scripture this gives the user of the dialectic a chance to lure you into a dialogue in which the "facilitator" of the dialectic may lead you on until the topic is changed to another and eventually the user of the dialectic will make a statement which is intended to "educate" the other readers. One example of this process is when one tries to state the idea that the spiritual is often given in figurative language, without citing scriptures which support this position. The "facilitator" may then ask questions and lure one into a new or related topic. After the dialogue goes on a while - which seems endless - then the "facilitator" might come up with something like the followers of Christ assumed to be true in Acts 1: 6, on a physical kingdom on earth being the kingdom of God. They asked Christ "Wilt thou at this time restore again the Kingdom to Israel?" What kingdom of Israel did they have in mind? It was not the kingdom that Christ had been teaching. He said
in John 18: 36, "My kingdom is not of this world." And when Satan offered to give Christ the kingdoms of this world in Matthew 4: 8-9 Christ did not dispute Satan's authority over the kingdoms of the world. Instead Christ answered, "Get thee hence, Satan, for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." Christ answered with the diadactic, "It is written."
Since the devil controls or highly influences all the physical kingdoms of this world, then any physical kingdom of this world would be in part run by Satan. The followers of Christ in Acts 1 were probably referring to the kingdom of Israel in the time of David and Solomon, and wanted to know if Christ was going to restore that type of physical kingdom. Solomon went beyond the rest of God (Genesis 2: 2, Hebrews 3:11, 18, 4: 1-11) which is the seventh day or number seven into number eight (Revelation 17:11), in which he made use of the authority of God in pretending his kingdom of man was that of God. In fact, the Masons say their goal is to re-build the temple of Solomon, which is a metaphor for their "great work" which is all in the spirit of anti-Christ.
One scripture that can be used when the "faclitator" using the dialectic tries to promote a literal-physical point of view on Christian doctrines is I Corinthians 2: 14, "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
There are some other tactics of the dialectic. One is to slightly or badly misrepresent what another has said, and began a dialogue in this way. Another more nasty use is to call the other bad names, or imply such, which can get into what is called "trolling" or troll behavior on secular Internet forums.
The man who knows more about the origins and use of the dialectic than any other at this pont in time is Dean Gotcher. He is an interesting combination of scholar and Remnant Christian evangelist. His web site is:
http://authorityresearch.com/
http://authorityresearch.com/File%20Dean%20Gotcher/IAR%20Dean%20Gotcher.htm
See also: http://www.concernedmembers.com/gotcher/
Defeating The Diaprax: Dean Gotcher
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Dialectic and Praxis: DIAPRAX and the End of the Ages
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DIAPRAX and the End of the Ages. By Dean Gotcher. http://www.authorityresearch.com - January 2002 (more added later). Please read the whole article here ...
Dean Gotcher is on Internet radio at:
http://www.geomedianetwork.com/
Check the Program Schedule. It looks like Gotcher is now on at 6 to 6:30 AM Pacific Time
Tuesdays and Thursdays and 10 to 10:30 AM Pacific Time on Mondays.
Listen to Gotcher until you have a better knowledge of what the dialectic is. He calls it the diaprax.
On September 27, 2011 I posted "Speaking Like A Dragon: Revelation 13: 11, and the Dialectic."
God's way of communicating has always been the didactic. When Satan
tempted Christ in Matthew 4: 3-11, Satan's temptations didn't work on Jesus.
It didn't move him one inch off his "thesis." He answered the devil
with the didactic, "It is written" (Matthew 3: 10).
But Hegel and then Marx and Freud decided that there is no God and
began to say there is no absolute
truth and no absolute morality. Everything is an opinion. Remember the
"Hegelian dialectic?" Remember "dialectical materialism" in Marxism?
The dialectic can be used in Christian or secular Internet forums almost as well as in face to face groups, and without a trained facilitator. To some extent, having lived within a society and church system that uses the dialectic as its main form of dialogue, many learn something anyway about being a facilitator of the dialectic.
In Christian dialogue, the person who wants to cause others to accept his interpretation of scripture or wants to defend his position against another or others who do not agree, may use the dialectic. Or, a member of a forum who just wants to argue endlessly may use he dialectic.
One reason its hard to understand what the dialectic is, as opposed to the didactic, is because there are several ways of using the dialectic. The dialectic usually side steps the "thesis" stated, and comes against the thesis from the side in some way. In other words, the dialectic often avoids directly opposing the thesis of another, and uses a flanking maneuver, which may be done in an obviously contentious way, or not in such an obviously hostile way.
It may be a mistake to make statements without quoting scripture when an opponent is around who continually uses the dialectic. However, when you quote a scripture the user of the dialectic can come back, with "Yes, but..." and either actually quotes other scriptures which he interprets to mean something else, or just makes statements that sound like scripture, or hints at scriptures. If the person who is the target of the dialectic comes back with explanations, the dialectic user will then have an opportunity to get him into an almost endless dialogue in which the opponent uses the dialectic.
If you know that your opponent makes use of the dialectic a lot on forums, it is best not to answer him at all.
When statements of doctrines are made without quoting scripture this gives the user of the dialectic a chance to lure you into a dialogue in which the "facilitator" of the dialectic may lead you on until the topic is changed to another and eventually the user of the dialectic will make a statement which is intended to "educate" the other readers. One example of this process is when one tries to state the idea that the spiritual is often given in figurative language, without citing scriptures which support this position. The "facilitator" may then ask questions and lure one into a new or related topic. After the dialogue goes on a while - which seems endless - then the "facilitator" might come up with something like the followers of Christ assumed to be true in Acts 1: 6, on a physical kingdom on earth being the kingdom of God. They asked Christ "Wilt thou at this time restore again the Kingdom to Israel?" What kingdom of Israel did they have in mind? It was not the kingdom that Christ had been teaching. He said
in John 18: 36, "My kingdom is not of this world." And when Satan offered to give Christ the kingdoms of this world in Matthew 4: 8-9 Christ did not dispute Satan's authority over the kingdoms of the world. Instead Christ answered, "Get thee hence, Satan, for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve." Christ answered with the diadactic, "It is written."
Since the devil controls or highly influences all the physical kingdoms of this world, then any physical kingdom of this world would be in part run by Satan. The followers of Christ in Acts 1 were probably referring to the kingdom of Israel in the time of David and Solomon, and wanted to know if Christ was going to restore that type of physical kingdom. Solomon went beyond the rest of God (Genesis 2: 2, Hebrews 3:11, 18, 4: 1-11) which is the seventh day or number seven into number eight (Revelation 17:11), in which he made use of the authority of God in pretending his kingdom of man was that of God. In fact, the Masons say their goal is to re-build the temple of Solomon, which is a metaphor for their "great work" which is all in the spirit of anti-Christ.
One scripture that can be used when the "faclitator" using the dialectic tries to promote a literal-physical point of view on Christian doctrines is I Corinthians 2: 14, "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."
There are some other tactics of the dialectic. One is to slightly or badly misrepresent what another has said, and began a dialogue in this way. Another more nasty use is to call the other bad names, or imply such, which can get into what is called "trolling" or troll behavior on secular Internet forums.
The man who knows more about the origins and use of the dialectic than any other at this pont in time is Dean Gotcher. He is an interesting combination of scholar and Remnant Christian evangelist. His web site is:
http://authorityresearch.com/
http://authorityresearch.com/File%20Dean%20Gotcher/IAR%20Dean%20Gotcher.htm
See also: http://www.concernedmembers.com/gotcher/
Defeating The Diaprax: Dean Gotcher
www.christianmedianetwork.com/index.php?page=gotcher.htmCached
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Mr. Dean Gotcher is the founder and director of the Institution For Authority ... Dean Gotcher's weekly broadcast on the Christian Media Network runs every ...
Dialectic and Praxis: DIAPRAX and the End of the Ages
www.crossroad.to/Quotes/brainwashing/dialectic-gotcher.htmCached - Similar
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DIAPRAX and the End of the Ages. By Dean Gotcher. http://www.authorityresearch.com - January 2002 (more added later). Please read the whole article here ...
Dean Gotcher is on Internet radio at:
http://www.geomedianetwork.com/
Check the Program Schedule. It looks like Gotcher is now on at 6 to 6:30 AM Pacific Time
Tuesdays and Thursdays and 10 to 10:30 AM Pacific Time on Mondays.
Listen to Gotcher until you have a better knowledge of what the dialectic is. He calls it the diaprax.
