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Ps 83:18 That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, Art the Most High over all the earth.

What does the name Jehovah mean to you? Is this the first time you have heard God's name, or read it in the Bible? Many have become Christians simply by hearing that name as it is the most powerful name in the Universe, and the most recorded name in the Bible.
 

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Ah Robert, perhaps if you had also quoted the other 17 verses of this Psalm, then the context of the 18th verse would become relevant for us today.
 

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Ah Robert, perhaps if you had also quoted the other 17 verses of this Psalm, then the context of the 18th verse would become relevant for us today.

Not one to quote the entire Bible to make a point sir, the one verse is the only one needed for the topic correct?

Perhaps you disagree that Jehovah is God, the most high over all the earth. That name is a separator sir, and it means a lot to those who are a people for His name. Acts 15:14
 

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What does the name Jehovah mean to you?
We need to go back to the Hebrew Tanakh to see that (1) it was initially written exclusively in consonants, which means that the name of God in Hebrew is just YHWH without vowels, (2) the Hebrew scribes added the vowel pointings to provide the pronunciations, (3) because of the commandment to not take the name of the LORD in vain, the Hebrews read this as name as "Adonai" (Lord) but is is also pronounced as YAHWEH, (4) as a result the King James translators translated it as LORD (all small capitals) and thus "Yahweh Elohim" was "LORD God", and (4) the English translation "JEHOVAH" occurs only twice in the KJB.

Since Jesus is also YAHWEH, the Bible says this: Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus [YAHSHUA] every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

The name of Jesus in Hebrew is YAHSHUA or YESHUA which means GOD [IS]OUR SALVATION. And that is why this prophecy in Isaiah 45:22,23 which applied to God in the OT has been applied to Jesus in the NT: Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

So unless you believe that Jesus is God, there is no point talking about "Jehovah".
 

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Not one to quote the entire Bible to make a point sir, the one verse is the only one needed for the topic correct?

Perhaps you disagree that Jehovah is God, the most high over all the earth. That name is a separator sir, and it means a lot to those who are a people for His name. Acts 15:14

Robert, perhaps you need to not try and put words into other peoples mouths so to speak. I made no suggestion as to what my beliefs were in the post, except to point out that we need to look at the context of the verses surround the one verse that is being referenced to come to an understanding of the verse being referenced in any post.

Here is the full psalm: -


Psalm 83: - Prayer to Frustrate Conspiracy Against Israel
A Song. A Psalm of Asaph.


83:1 Do not keep silent, O God!
Do not hold Your peace,
And do not be still, O God!​
2 For behold, Your enemies make a tumult;
And those who hate You have lifted up their head.​
3 They have taken crafty counsel against Your people,
And consulted together against Your sheltered ones.​
4 They have said, "Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation,
That the name of Israel may be remembered no more."​

5 For they have consulted together with one consent;
They form a confederacy against You:​
6 The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites;
Moab and the Hagrites;​
7 Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek;
Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre;​
8 Assyria also has joined with them;
They have helped the children of Lot.​
Selah​

9 Deal with them as with Midian,
As with Sisera,
As with Jabin at the Brook Kishon,​
10 Who perished at En Dor,
Who became as refuse on the earth.​
11 Make their nobles like Oreb and like Zeeb,
Yes, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,​
12 Who said, "Let us take for ourselves
The pastures of God for a possession."​

13 O my God, make them like the whirling dust,
Like the chaff before the wind!​
14 As the fire burns the woods,
And as the flame sets the mountains on fire,​
15 So pursue them with Your tempest,
And frighten them with Your storm.​
16 Fill their faces with shame,
That they may seek Your name, O Lord.​
17 Let them be confounded and dismayed forever;
Yes, let them be put to shame and perish,​
18 That they may know that You, whose name alone is the Lord,
Are the Most High over all the earth.​
NKJV

This whole psalm is an acknowledgement of the greatness of God and that he existed from the beginning of time, and three variation of calling God "God" can be found in this psalm.

What is most important, in our understanding of who God is, is that we form a relationship with God that is unshakable over time irrespective of the "Hebrew Words" that are used to describe God to us, each with a slightly different purpose in demonstrating the "True God" that we do worship.

Your rebuttal to my post was, in reality, pointless, except to you, where it seems that you were trying to demonstrate that your "relationship" with God was "more perfect."

How my relationship may look like to other people, is not my concern. My concern is that my relationship with God reflects God heart for the people around me by how I lead my life. As such my contextual understanding of God and what that means within my own life is all that is import to me and the Lord above.

Shalom
 

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Ps 83:18 That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, Art the Most High over all the earth.

What does the name Jehovah mean to you? Is this the first time you have heard God's name, or read it in the Bible? Many have become Christians simply by hearing that name as it is the most powerful name in the Universe, and the most recorded name in the Bible.

Our God and Father.

Several times Jehovah speaks about people and places “called by my name”.

What does that mean to you?

Do you think Jesus is among those who are “called by my name”?
 

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We need to go back to the Hebrew Tanakh to see that (1) it was initially written exclusively in consonants, which means that the name of God in Hebrew is just YHWH without vowels, (2) the Hebrew scribes added the vowel pointings to provide the pronunciations, (3) because of the commandment to not take the name of the LORD in vain, the Hebrews read this as name as "Adonai" (Lord) but is is also pronounced as YAHWEH, (4) as a result the King James translators translated it as LORD (all small capitals) and thus "Yahweh Elohim" was "LORD God", and (4) the English translation "JEHOVAH" occurs only twice in the KJB.

Since Jesus is also YAHWEH, the Bible says this: Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus [YAHSHUA] every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

The name of Jesus in Hebrew is YAHSHUA or YESHUA which means GOD [IS]OUR SALVATION. And that is why this prophecy in Isaiah 45:22,23 which applied to God in the OT has been applied to Jesus in the NT: Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

So unless you believe that Jesus is God, there is no point talking about "Jehovah".
Not a Bible teaching sir. Jehovah is God, Jesus is God's son Jn 3:16. You acceptance of altered versions of the Bible quite likely is the contributing factor to your not knowing who God is.
 

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Robert, perhaps you need to not try and put words into other peoples mouths so to speak. I made no suggestion as to what my beliefs were in the post, except to point out that we need to look at the context of the verses surround the one verse that is being referenced to come to an understanding of the verse being referenced in any post.

Here is the full psalm: -


Psalm 83: - Prayer to Frustrate Conspiracy Against Israel
A Song. A Psalm of Asaph.


83:1 Do not keep silent, O God!
Do not hold Your peace,
And do not be still, O God!​
2 For behold, Your enemies make a tumult;
And those who hate You have lifted up their head.​
3 They have taken crafty counsel against Your people,
And consulted together against Your sheltered ones.​
4 They have said, "Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation,
That the name of Israel may be remembered no more."​
5 For they have consulted together with one consent;
They form a confederacy against You:​
6 The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites;
Moab and the Hagrites;​
7 Gebal, Ammon, and Amalek;
Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre;​
8 Assyria also has joined with them;
They have helped the children of Lot.​
Selah​

9 Deal with them as with Midian,
As with Sisera,
As with Jabin at the Brook Kishon,​
10 Who perished at En Dor,
Who became as refuse on the earth.​
11 Make their nobles like Oreb and like Zeeb,
Yes, all their princes like Zebah and Zalmunna,​
12 Who said, "Let us take for ourselves
The pastures of God for a possession."​
13 O my God, make them like the whirling dust,
Like the chaff before the wind!​
14 As the fire burns the woods,
And as the flame sets the mountains on fire,​
15 So pursue them with Your tempest,
And frighten them with Your storm.​
16 Fill their faces with shame,
That they may seek Your name, O Lord.​
17 Let them be confounded and dismayed forever;
Yes, let them be put to shame and perish,​
18 That they may know that You, whose name alone is the Lord,
Are the Most High over all the earth.​
NKJV

This whole psalm is an acknowledgement of the greatness of God and that he existed from the beginning of time, and three variation of calling God "God" can be found in this psalm.

What is most important, in our understanding of who God is, is that we form a relationship with God that is unshakable over time irrespective of the "Hebrew Words" that are used to describe God to us, each with a slightly different purpose in demonstrating the "True God" that we do worship.

Your rebuttal to my post was, in reality, pointless, except to you, where it seems that you were trying to demonstrate that your "relationship" with God was "more perfect."

How my relationship may look like to other people, is not my concern. My concern is that my relationship with God reflects God heart for the people around me by how I lead my life. As such my contextual understanding of God and what that means within my own life is all that is import to me and the Lord above.

Shalom

I fail to see how this applies to the context of my post sir. My point is basically does the name Jehovah mean anything to you? Some get quite excited when they see God's name for the first time, others it means absolutely nothing to them. Likely it is of little consequence to you with the version you quoted. We use Psalms 83:18 to others as most versions of the Bible contain His name there.
 

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Our God and Father.

Several times Jehovah speaks about people and places “called by my name”.

What does that mean to you?

Do you think Jesus is among those who are “called by my name”?

It means a lot to me sir. I am one of His witnesses, a people for His name. Yes, in fact I would say Jesus' name is known on a much larger scope that Jehovah. Never forget Christians are also Jesus' witnesses Matt Acts 1:8
 
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It means a lot to me sir. I am one of His witnesses, a people for His name. Yes, in fact I would say Jesus' name is known on a much larger scope that Jehovah. Never forget Christians are also Jesus' witnesses Matt Acts 1:8

Thanks.

When I ask trinitarians and binitarians what the phrase “called by my name” means to them without mentioning Jesus, they commonly respond along the lines that you have.

When I ask trinitarians and binitarians what the phrase “called by my name” means to them concerning Jesus, they commonly respond that it means Jesus is Yahweh / Jehovah / God.
 

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I fail to see how this applies to the context of my post sir. My point is basically does the name Jehovah mean anything to you? Some get quite excited when they see God's name for the first time, others it means absolutely nothing to them. Likely it is of little consequence to you with the version you quoted. We use Psalms 83:18 to others as most versions of the Bible contain His name there.

Robert, it is my view that all of our translations, into a language that we can read, are fallible, and the version you like the best is also included in that list.

It is our response to God that distinguishes us and in my humble opinion, Isaiah 58 might, if we understand the context of this chapter, give us a clue as to how we should demonstrate our relationship with God, or whatever word you want to use to identify Him by.

Yes, I can see that you are zealous in your actions to show that you "love" God, but even the Jewish religious population were zealous to "love" God on their terms. I wonder if much has changed since, over the last 2,000 or so years?
 

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Ps 83:18 That they may know that thou alone, whose name is Jehovah, Art the Most High over all the earth.

What does the name Jehovah mean to you? Is this the first time you have heard God's name, or read it in the Bible? Many have become Christians simply by hearing that name as it is the most powerful name in the Universe, and the most recorded name in the Bible.
I never called my dad by his name - I called him "Dad." I don't use the Lord's name, either. I address him as "Father" or refer to him as the "Lord" or "God." I do call Jesus by name, though.
 
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Thanks.

When I ask trinitarians and binitarians what the phrase “called by my name” means to them without mentioning Jesus, they commonly respond along the lines that you have.

When I ask trinitarians and binitarians what the phrase “called by my name” means to them concerning Jesus, they commonly respond that it means Jesus is Yahweh / Jehovah / God.

What do you think Matt? Do you believe Jesus is God, or is Jehovah God like Jesus said?
 

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Robert, it is my view that all of our translations, into a language that we can read, are fallible, and the version you like the best is also included in that list.

It is our response to God that distinguishes us and in my humble opinion, Isaiah 58 might, if we understand the context of this chapter, give us a clue as to how we should demonstrate our relationship with God, or whatever word you want to use to identify Him by.

Yes, I can see that you are zealous in your actions to show that you "love" God, but even the Jewish religious population were zealous to "love" God on their terms. I wonder if much has changed since, over the last 2,000 or so years?

Hi Jay, yes sir I agree that all versions of the Bible are imperfect, but I don't believe the original had mistakes. I guess that would kind of nullify God if He made mistakes. That don't mean I think you cannot find truth in various versions however. God sees to it that we have all the information we need to know through the many versions that are available. Having multiple versions helps to offset some of these mistakes as well sir. Jehovah reveals how He desires to be worshipped, and I believe we will not have excuses upon Jesus' return for the most part. We do not have to fear at any rate like Abraham did so many years ago with God's judgment upon Sodom and Gomorrah, He will not let any righteous ones be destroyed with the wicked Jay. Gen 18:22-33
 

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I never called my dad by his name - I called him "Dad." I don't use the Lord's name, either. I address him as "Father" or refer to him as the "Lord" or "God." I do call Jesus by name, though.

I am gathering you believe God does not want us to use His name, is that correct Bob?