Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?

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theefaith

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you’re worship or governor!

Where’s the proof the church teaches men to commit idolatry or worship of Mary and the saints?

nothing but the usual suspects making protests and empty accusations!
 

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"A great portent appeared in Heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of 12 stars.
she was pregnant and was crying out in birth pangs, in the agony of giving birth (Rev. 12:3)."
Interpretation: An image not of Israel, but of an exalted Mary, perhaps viewed as the mother of true Israel. zScholars recognize that this imagery is borrowed from Greco-Roman goddess mythology. But it is just poetic and therefore does not imply that an exalted Mary is a goddess.

"Then a dragon (Satan) stood before the woman who was about to bear a child, so that he might devour the child as soon as he was born (12:4)."
Interpretation: Satan's prompts Herod to kill Bethlehem's baby boys in an effort to kill the promised Messiah.

"And she gave birth to a child, a son who is to rule all nations with a rod of iron (12:5)."
Interpretation: A reference to the messianic prophecy about Jesus in Psalm 2:8-9.

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But her child was snatched away and taken to God and to His throne (12:5)."
Interpretation: A reference to Jesus' resurrection and exaltation to the right hand of the Father.

"And the woman fled into the wilderness where she has a place prepared by God, so that there she can be nourished for 1,260 days (12:6)."
Interpretation: The flight of the Jerusalem church, together with surviving members of Jesus' family to the wilderness city of transjordanian Pella in the early 60s AD.

You do realize there are other chapters and verses in Revelation 12, right?

Revelation 12:3-4, "Then another sign appeared in heaven: a huge red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadem crowns. Now the dragon’s tail swept away a third of the stars in heaven and hurled them to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born." What's your interpretation of these verses?

Revelation is largely John's vision of Roman domination and the threat to Christianity. IMHO your interpretations are just fantasy. John didn't change subjects every sentence.
 

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You do realize there are other chapters and verses in Revelation 12, right?

Revelation 12:3-4, "Then another sign appeared in heaven: a huge red dragon that had seven heads and ten horns, and on its heads were seven diadem crowns. Now the dragon’s tail swept away a third of the stars in heaven and hurled them to the earth. Then the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child as soon as it was born." What's your interpretation of these verses?

Revelation is largely John's vision of Roman domination and the threat to Christianity. IMHO your interpretations are just fantasy. John didn't change subjects every sentence.

at this time it was the Jews who persecuting Christ and his church acts 9

much later the pagan Roman Empire would be drunk with the blood of the saints (Catholics)
 

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Please show where the church teaches men to adore or worship Mary the mother of God???
 

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at this time it was the Jews who persecuting Christ and his church acts 9

much later the pagan Roman Empire would be drunk with the blood of the saints (Catholics)
No, the Roman empire became the iron/clay mixed empire of Daniel via the RCC, then the real persecution and deceptions began, murdering millions through the dark ages to eradicate anti RCC "rebels".
 
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No, the Roman empire became the iron/clay mixed empire of Daniel via the RCC, then the real persecution and deceptions began, murdering millions through the dark ages to eradicate anti RCC "rebels".

actually the church of Christ conquered the pagan Roman Empire

that’s why the true church is Roman Catholic

to the victor (Christ) go the spoils!

Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Matt 21:43 taken from Israel given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20


1 Peter 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Christ is king and has all authority and dominion!

Christ appointed Peter, the apostles, and their successors to govern the church and administer the kingdom until He returns in glory!

Submission and obedience to them is submission and obedience to Christ!

Like Joseph under pharaoh the king and his brothers bowed in obedience to Him as God willed!

But Protestant fundamentalists will not, for satan the first Protestant was in rebellion against God saying: I will not serve! I will not obey!

So who is you’re leader?

All those who submit and obey are Christ’s!

Those who do not are satan’s!
 

Jim B

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actually the church of Christ conquered the pagan Roman Empire

that’s why the true church is Roman Catholic

to the victor (Christ) go the spoils!

Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Matt 21:43 taken from Israel given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20


1 Peter 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Christ is king and has all authority and dominion!

Christ appointed Peter, the apostles, and their successors to govern the church and administer the kingdom until He returns in glory!

Submission and obedience to them is submission and obedience to Christ!

Like Joseph under pharaoh the king and his brothers bowed in obedience to Him as God willed!

But Protestant fundamentalists will not, for satan the first Protestant was in rebellion against God saying: I will not serve! I will not obey!

So who is you’re leader?

All those who submit and obey are Christ’s!

Those who do not are satan’s!

The church of Christ did not conquer the pagan Roman Empire. It fell because of corruption and military incompetence.

The true church is the body of Christ -- all denominations, not just the Roman Catholic denomination. That is what the Bible says.

And you make this bizarre statement: Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."

The "book" of Daniel was written long before the Romans came to power and the church never broke or consumed "all these kingdoms", even though the Catholic-led crusades tried to achieve that by making war.

And your bashing Protestants is demonic!!!. Claiming that satan was the first Protestant is clearly inspired by satan!!!
 

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The church of Christ did not conquer the pagan Roman Empire. It fell because of corruption and military incompetence.

The true church is the body of Christ -- all denominations, not just the Roman Catholic denomination. That is what the Bible says.

And you make this bizarre statement: Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."

The "book" of Daniel was written long before the Romans came to power and the church never broke or consumed "all these kingdoms", even though the Catholic-led crusades tried to achieve that by making war.

And your bashing Protestants is demonic!!!. Claiming that satan was the first Protestant is clearly inspired by satan!!!

pride always protests and is always in rebellion and Satan was first

Daniel was giving prophecy about the kingdom Christ established and the pagan Roman Empire was conquered by Christ and his church by a miraculous cross Constantine saw in the sky!
 

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That's all you people do! You worship Mary, pray to Mary, ask Mary to forgive your sins, make (pagan) statues of Mary, etc.

No one every asks Mary for the forgiveness of sins only Christ is our savior

the rest is non-sense
 

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I believe the basic church congregations as seven...

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 1:20 - Revelation 2:1

Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry

Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4

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Foxes book of Martyrs has the Roman persecutions as ten. The Smyrnaean Church age began with the Roman Emperor Nero burning down Rome and accusing the Christians of doing it. Smyrna in the Greek means “Myrrh,” in which the Smyrnaean martyrs represented the most pure form of Christianity of all the church ages. The martyred crowns were many as the Smyrnaean church age progressed.

Ye Shall Have Tribulation Ten Days…
Time Persecutor Description
67 AD Nero The Smyrna Church Age begins with Nero setting fire to Rome, and then blaming the Christians
81 AD Domitian Declaration that no Christian should be exempt from punishment, Paul’s Timothy died in 97 AD.
108 AD Trajan and Adrian Severe persecution against Christians from 108 to 138 AD during the time of the Bishop Ignatius
162 AD Marcos Aurelius Marcos Aurelius, commendable in study of philosophy, sharp and fierce towards Christians.
192 AD Severus This persecution was carried out by the will and prejudice of the people and extended into Africa.
235 AD Maximus Numberless Christians were slain without trial and burned indiscriminately in heaps
249 AD Decius Began because of the amazing increase in Christianity, and with the heathen temples forsaken.
257 AD Valerian The martyrs that fell during this persecution were innumerable, their tortures and deaths painful.
274 AD Aurelian A brief persecution that ended with the emperor’s assassination.
303 AD Diocletian The last persecution ended with Constantine’s triumph against Rome in 313 AD

And then we have the church expanding out in the form of many congregations. If anyone had the right to claim superiority it would be the Orthodox. And... Remembering... The Apostle Peter handed the Gentile church over to the Apostle Paul...


7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) - Galatians 2





 

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I believe the basic church congregations as seven...

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; - Revelation 1:20 - Revelation 2:1

Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry

Candlesticks - Seven church congregations
Stars - Individuals within the congregations, all held in the right hand of Christ
Seals - The seven seals sealed each congregation within the lambs book of life

And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. - Revelation 5:4

254811_e2605e7ea7d44a55b55ec8f9edea64a9.png



Foxes book of Martyrs has the Roman persecutions as ten. The Smyrnaean Church age began with the Roman Emperor Nero burning down Rome and accusing the Christians of doing it. Smyrna in the Greek means “Myrrh,” in which the Smyrnaean martyrs represented the most pure form of Christianity of all the church ages. The martyred crowns were many as the Smyrnaean church age progressed.

Ye Shall Have Tribulation Ten Days…
Time Persecutor Description
67 AD Nero The Smyrna Church Age begins with Nero setting fire to Rome, and then blaming the Christians
81 AD Domitian Declaration that no Christian should be exempt from punishment, Paul’s Timothy died in 97 AD.
108 AD Trajan and Adrian Severe persecution against Christians from 108 to 138 AD during the time of the Bishop Ignatius
162 AD Marcos Aurelius Marcos Aurelius, commendable in study of philosophy, sharp and fierce towards Christians.
192 AD Severus This persecution was carried out by the will and prejudice of the people and extended into Africa.
235 AD Maximus Numberless Christians were slain without trial and burned indiscriminately in heaps
249 AD Decius Began because of the amazing increase in Christianity, and with the heathen temples forsaken.
257 AD Valerian The martyrs that fell during this persecution were innumerable, their tortures and deaths painful.
274 AD Aurelian A brief persecution that ended with the emperor’s assassination.
303 AD Diocletian The last persecution ended with Constantine’s triumph against Rome in 313 AD

And then we have the church expanding out in the form of many congregations. If anyone had the right to claim superiority it would be the Orthodox. And... Remembering... The Apostle Peter handed the Gentile church over to the Apostle Paul...


7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
8 (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:) - Galatians 2
Wrong.

Anyone that skips Acts 2:38 is not part of the 7 Churches, but the RCC.
 

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Wrong.

Anyone that skips Acts 2:38 is not part of the 7 Churches, but the RCC.
Acts 2:38... My church has also received the gift of the Holy Ghost.... With the speaking of tongues! How is it with yours?

 

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Acts 2:38... My church has also received the gift of the Holy Ghost.... With the speaking of tongues! How is it with yours?

Same thing.

We all obeyed Acts 2:38 to be able(qualify ourselves) to apply the words spoken to the 7 churches of Asia minor.

The reformers you mentioned disobeyed Acts 2:38, thus they are under the umbrella of the RCC.
 

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Ephesus - Messianic - Beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Smyrna - Martyr - Beginning with the Apostle to the Un-Circumcision, Paul
Pergamos - Orthodoxy formed in this time... Pergos is a tower... Needed in the dark ages
Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
Sardis - Protestantism formed in this time- A sardius is a gem - elegant yet hard and rigid
Philadelphia - Wesleyism formed in this time - To be sanctioned is to acquire it with love.
Laodicea - Charismatic movement formed in this time - Beginning with DL Moody, the first to make money off of ministry



nope!
 

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Same thing.

We all obeyed Acts 2:38 to be able(qualify ourselves) to apply the words spoken to the 7 churches of Asia minor.

The reformers you mentioned disobeyed Acts 2:38, thus they are under the umbrella of the RCC.
The spirit of Jezebel began in Thyatirean times. I have no desire to dwell under her umbrella.
 

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The spirit of Jezebel began in Thyatirean times. I have no desire to dwell under her umbrella.
I liked that video.:)

As long as we obey Acts 2:38, we are under the 3000 at Pentecost and NOT the RCC.
 

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Thyatira - Catholicism formed in this time - The spirit of Jezebel is to control and to dominate.
On sure! "sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols"! It must be in the catechism somewhere!!! And don't forget, monks boil babies in oil, that's why they are called "fry-ars".:rolleyes: