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The Bible says to beware of false prophets, those who teach falsehood.The Bible says that when someone says to you "Christ is here, or Christ is there" not to believe them. That nobody will know the hour or day of the coming of Christ. Now if someone does say "Christ is coming on the 6th of October 2008" we can know that it is not on and that claim is being made in an unbiblical way, against Gods own Word.So, if a false prophet heralding the coming of the Lord sets up a religion we should steer clear of it like the plague? Yes?Didnt the founder of the Seven Day Adventist church himself set false dates of the coming of the Lord? He set dates and they came and went and , no Lords return! Does that not make him a false prophet? A heretic who should have been rejected.Why do some of youfollow him still?
 

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No takers to defend the SDA,s. Why not. The SDA church has hardly any history bar 100 or so years. They were founded by a false prophet and prophetess. They declared falsly the coming of the Lord. They decieved huge numbers of people in doing so. They lied and went in dirrect oposition to the Bible.I was given an SDA book a few weeks ago and in it was a story on a young motorbike rider, moto cross, and it was a huge add for his sponsors with him wearing their gear, drinking their drink , hmm advertising in the name of God!Yeah right. I had them once infiltrate a church where I was going pretending to be new Christians and all the time planning and trying to undermine the ministers work with the church members. They went to a prayer meeting and it was full on attack. It was low and dirty and no not a renagade SDA. A proper established church with known SDA members in Yeppoon Queensland Australia. It happened and they are well known for doing it to others.You want me and others to really believe they are the 1. No way.It is a false religion, full stop founded by false prophets full stop.We get them going about and trying to talk to you , you ask who they are and what they want and they evade answering and keep trying to tell you their scripted rehearsed dribble. I have no apologies to give for what I think and say about SDA. All the SDA,s trees fruit I have seen in Australia is not worth a second glance let alone picking. Cunning, sly and their use of Christs images I find to be shocking. He is always depicted in their books as some morbid hippy reject that if I were a child the picture would have me covering my head at night under the sheets.
 

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One thing, it is totally fine to say that God is here, cause when we worship God, his presence comes and He IS there, and dpeneding on situations and the realness of our worship he does miracles. But i'm pretty sure it wasn't relating to that so yeah, that's good!
 

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The thing we need to remember here is all religions/denominations are of MenThe Word of God has no denomination. All religions/denominations are mensways traditions of honering God or mens intertpitation of scripture. You do not have to be any denomination or certain religion to be a Chritian(belief in Christ.) Some denominations/religions are good and follow Gods word better than others Some are bad and only follow men.If we stick to God Word above mens traditions we will be fine. Its when we insist on following mens ideas over Gods we get lost and confused.Gods Word never accepted any denomination/religion over any otherany claims that someone makes that their religion is the right one is a lie.God dosen't care what denomination you are he cares you follow his Word.
 

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The thing we need to remember here is all religions/denominations are of MenThe Word of God has no denomination. All religions/denominations are mensways traditions of honering God or mens intertpitation of scripture. You do not have to be any denomination or certain religion to be a Chritian(belief in Christ.) Some denominations/religions are good and follow Gods word better than others Some are bad and only follow men.If we stick to God Word above mens traditions we will be fine. Its when we insist on following mens ideas over Gods we get lost and confused.Gods Word never accepted any denomination/religion over any otherany claims that someone makes that their religion is the right one is a lie.God dosen't care what denomination you are he cares you follow his Word.
Kriss:I hear you and know where you are coming from. But let me add something here. Man, being the fleshy being that he is, uses what you just said and twists it to mean that "anything is acceptable" since he has this doctrine that one religion (or denomination) is not superior over the other. Therefore, he twists that to mean there are not absolutes.Although God does not deal with denominations, there ARE absolutes in His Word. I assume I am correct in what I believe you are saying?
 

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Absoultly thats the problem with men they believe their own absoultes or own ideas and ignore what God says or twist it to fit their own desires.In scripture where ever two or more gather to worship is called a churchit has nothing to do with a builing or a denominaion/religion. it is people worshiping Christ/God even this web site could be called a church according to scripture. Yet we all have differnt backgrounds and beliefs.denomination and religionsIf you want to know if your group is teaching what pleases God read the firstchapters of Revelation there are 7 types of churches(groups) that John saw existing in these End times only two he was pleased with. What were they teaching? What do these two churches have in common the other churches do not.(hint: those that say they are Jews but are not) Who are these? thats another lesson for another day.
 

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The Bible says to beware of false prophets, those who teach falsehood.The Bible says that when someone says to you "Christ is here, or Christ is there" not to believe them. That nobody will know the hour or day of the coming of Christ. Now if someone does say "Christ is coming on the 6th of October 2008" we can know that it is not on and that claim is being made in an unbiblical way, against Gods own Word.So, if a false prophet heralding the coming of the Lord sets up a religion we should steer clear of it like the plague? Yes?Didnt the founder of the Seven Day Adventist church himself set false dates of the coming of the Lord? He set dates and they came and went and , no Lords return! Does that not make him a false prophet? A heretic who should have been rejected.Why do some of youfollow him still?
As far as the SDA yes their religion is based on the prophecy of Ellen WhiteBut as I said all religions are based on some man or woman's ideasI don't find SDA's beliefs much different than any other religion they have some things very right and some things very wrong.course I have never attended their church. When they stick to scripture they do fine when they start swaying toward Ellen Whites prophecy they start making errors. But in our attempt to keep this site on track of studying scripture we are going to try not to turn into a one religion vs another religion debate.
 

Faithful

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Absoultly thats the problem with men they believe their own absoultes or own ideas and ignore what God says or twist it to fit their own desires.In scripture where ever two or more gather to worship is called a churchit has nothing to do with a builing or a denominaion/religion. it is people worshiping Christ/God even this web site could be called a church according to scripture. Yet we all have differnt backgrounds and beliefs.denomination and religionsIf you want to know if your group is teaching what pleases God read the firstchapters of Revelation there are 7 types of churches(groups) that John saw existing in these End times only two he was pleased with. What were they teaching? What do these two churches have in common the other churches do not.(hint: those that say they are Jews but are not) Who are these? thats another lesson for another day.
Hi kriss,Jesus said, John 4:22-24 (King James Version) 22.Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23.But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24.God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.John 17:3 (King James Version)3.And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.No denominations but a church where the people are worshipping God in Spirit and truth. Knowing God and his Son Jesus Christ. Not denomination just people who love the truth and dwell in the Spirit. 2 Thessalonians 2:10 (King James Version)10.And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.I feel you understand the same things Kriss. That the love of truth and God is really what it is all about. We need to examine our faith and what we believe by the word of God, for this is the true measure of who we are in Christ.Love Faithful.
 

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There are no denominations with God but there is only 1 truth.I myself will stand against the many flase religions and call them out for what they are. I will not hide, I will not keep silence for a false peace sake. We have many dead Christians from the past who too stood for the truth and called a lie as a lie. They gave their lives for it. Were beheaded, burnt, tortured, watched family members get hacked to death. Peace among all so long as its for the Lord? False peace is false peace, religions based upon false prophecy is false religion.If a house is built upon sand, false teacher, and the wind comes and the rains decend then that house will fall.If the house is built upon rock, truth uncompromised, then the wind comes and the rain decends and that house stands.I fear not those who can only kill my body when I stand for the truth but I do fear the Lord who can cast both my body and soul into hell.We have become weak and pitifull and need once again to go to the Lord of truth and buy it at any cost.
 

Christina

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I have already stated what you said That Gods word has no denominations' PeriodAll religions/denominations are of and for men some good some not.The Word of God is the only truth. Thats the stand of this Web site.No one has asked you or anyone to be quite.You are free to state your opinon.You are not the first to state this opinion. We are just Not going to debate religions here. Lets concentrate on the word not religions.
 

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Greetings,I have already replied to a few threads on this board and have found the focus for the most part to be on Christ and the scriptures. I have confidence that this will remain so by those that guide and manage this site. I would like to offer my opinion and experience to you as a former SDA minister. I have a fair knowledge of how the organization thinks and what their purpose is. Let me say that I still have many friends in that denomination and that I feel their hearts are completely sincere. They love Jesus as much as anyone that I have met here on this board and others. The error that I now find in the SDA church I have found in other denominations and throughout the history of the Christian Church. Its just that their error has a different focus and a different emphasis than other christian communities. Their focus on the 10 commandments as still binding in its Mosaic form can be found as a contentious issue as far back as the first century. So too, their founder's early date setting - otherwise, why did Jesus warn us about it?Throughout the history of our faith communities of believers have taken a doctrine here or a doctrine there and used it to judge the faith of other Christians. It still goes on throughout the church! Are the SDA's pushy? Yes, they can be, but for each one member that is, I know 10 that are kind, gentle, and extremely loving. Are the SDA's wrong in their theological focus? Absolutely! But again I say, where do you find a church community that is completely free from some kind of theological error or over emphasis? Whether you parade the banner of tongues or entire sanctification or the necessity of baptism or TULIP theology or predestination or the soverignty of God or the believe in one version of the bible over another - each community has something that they use to judge other christians. Oh, one more - elitism! I have never attended a church or a christian community where I didn't find some form of taking the seat next to Jesus - you know, seating on his right hand or left hand. Didn't the disciples themselves have quite a problem with this? I hope you see my point here.My only focus as a Christian is Jesus. I take every doctrine and teaching and ask myself how it is to be understood in and through the Christ event - how does it glorify Him, how does it lift Him up. When the focus of a particular person and what they are teaching does not do that - when the focus becomes centered on the teaching itself or worse still, upon the individual, then I know that something is amiss. The fact that SDAs focus upon the Sabbath and the 10 commandments as a testing doctrine of salvation clearly moves the attention and focus away from Christ. That is their error. What is ours?Christ plus nothing,Brother Bernard
 

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Greetings,I have already replied to a few threads on this board and have found the focus, for the most part, to be on Christ and the scriptures. I have confidence that this will remain so by those that guide and manage this site. I would like to offer my opinion and experience to you as a former SDA minister. I have a fair knowledge of how the organization thinks and what their purpose is. Let me say that I still have many friends in that denomination and that I feel their hearts are completely sincere. They love Jesus as much as anyone that I have met here on this board and others. The error that I now find in the SDA church I have found in other denominations and throughout the history of the Christian Church. Its just that their error has a different focus and a different emphasis than other christian communities. Their focus on the 10 commandments as still binding in its Mosaic form can be found as a contentious issue as far back as the first century. So too, their founder's early date setting - otherwise, why did Jesus warn us about it?Throughout the history of our faith communities of believers have taken a doctrine here or a doctrine there and used it to judge the faith of other Christians. It still goes on throughout the church! Are the SDA's pushy? Yes, they can be, but for each one member that is, I know 10 that are kind, gentle, and extremely loving. Are the SDA's wrong in their theological focus? Absolutely! But again I say, where do you find a church community that is completely free from some kind of theological error or over emphasis? Whether you parade the banner of tongues or entire sanctification or the necessity of baptism or TULIP theology or predestination or the soverignty of God or the believe in one version of the bible over another - each community has something that they use to judge other christians. Oh, one more - elitism! I have never attended a church or a christian community where I didn't find some form of taking the seat next to Jesus - you know, seating on his right hand or left hand. Didn't the disciples themselves have quite a problem with this? I hope you see my point here.My only focus as a Christian is Jesus. I take every doctrine and teaching and ask myself how it is to be understood in and through the Christ event - how does it glorify Him, how does it lift Him up. When the focus of a particular person and what they are teaching does not do that - when the focus becomes centered on the teaching itself or worse still, upon the individual, then I know that something is amiss. The fact that SDAs focus upon the Sabbath and the 10 commandments as a testing doctrine of salvation clearly moves the attention and focus away from Christ. That is their error. What is ours?Christ plus nothing,Brother Bernard
 

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Good Point Kriss, I'm in total agreement with you here!Brett: What you have to say is very interesting, it does bring up in my spirit what Jesus said, Mathew 10:34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.Vs.35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.Vs.36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.vs.37He that loveth father of mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.Vs.38and he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me is not worthy of me.Vs.39He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.It's all about real Love!Only the HolySpirit can direct you when it is time to be hard or soft!
 

Christina

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Thank you brotherbernard and All this is exactly the intent of the focus of this web site. We could all pick a certain religious denomination we have a problem with and/or find fault with it. So is the nature of men. However as long as you are not pushing your religion here.All are Welcome to study the Word of God.
 

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The word of God Jesus Christ made flesh. John 1:14 (King James version) 14.And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.Ephesians 6:15-17 (King James Version) 15.And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16.Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17.And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:John 6:63 (King James Version)63.It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.John 16:13 (King James Version)13.Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.There is only one who can reveal the truth to the believer and that is the Holy Spirit, whom God gives to all who trusts in Jesus and obeys his words.:angel9:
 

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Greetings,I have already replied to a few threads on this board and have found the focus for the most part to be on Christ and the scriptures. I have confidence that this will remain so by those that guide and manage this site. I would like to offer my opinion and experience to you as a former SDA minister. I have a fair knowledge of how the organization thinks and what their purpose is. Let me say that I still have many friends in that denomination and that I feel their hearts are completely sincere. They love Jesus as much as anyone that I have met here on this board and others. The error that I now find in the SDA church I have found in other denominations and throughout the history of the Christian Church. Its just that their error has a different focus and a different emphasis than other christian communities. Their focus on the 10 commandments as still binding in its Mosaic form can be found as a contentious issue as far back as the first century. So too, their founder's early date setting - otherwise, why did Jesus warn us about it?Throughout the history of our faith communities of believers have taken a doctrine here or a doctrine there and used it to judge the faith of other Christians. It still goes on throughout the church! Are the SDA's pushy? Yes, they can be, but for each one member that is, I know 10 that are kind, gentle, and extremely loving. Are the SDA's wrong in their theological focus? Absolutely! But again I say, where do you find a church community that is completely free from some kind of theological error or over emphasis? Whether you parade the banner of tongues or entire sanctification or the necessity of baptism or TULIP theology or predestination or the soverignty of God or the believe in one version of the bible over another - each community has something that they use to judge other christians. Oh, one more - elitism! I have never attended a church or a christian community where I didn't find some form of taking the seat next to Jesus - you know, seating on his right hand or left hand. Didn't the disciples themselves have quite a problem with this? I hope you see my point here.My only focus as a Christian is Jesus. I take every doctrine and teaching and ask myself how it is to be understood in and through the Christ event - how does it glorify Him, how does it lift Him up. When the focus of a particular person and what they are teaching does not do that - when the focus becomes centered on the teaching itself or worse still, upon the individual, then I know that something is amiss. The fact that SDAs focus upon the Sabbath and the 10 commandments as a testing doctrine of salvation clearly moves the attention and focus away from Christ. That is their error. What is ours?Christ plus nothing,Brother Bernard
Hello Brother Bernard:Very interesting insights you revealed there.Tell me, are you still in the ministry somewhere else, or are you planning on ministering somewhere else, etc.?
 

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Absolutely that ALL religions are made by man/men But spiritually speaking created by the Devil himself.James 1:26 - If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.To be exactly honest, we don't need to be in a church, to read the truth, The Word of God. The Body of Christ is the true Church. Our body belongs to Him. The truth dwells in Him for eternity.So my feeling about churches, I do not belong to any church. I just prefer being independent, when it comes to knowing scriptures. However I am somewhat (probably a lot) dependent in life... I love Him so much, but I know I'm struggling though.It is really a shame to see the world don't really care about their own soul, but the things that they have or want.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Hello Tim,About two years ago I interviewed for a part-time position with the American Baptist Church. Since I had been filling the pulpit for them on an occasional basis, they were confident in the call that they extended to me. I thought a very long time about the opportunity to teach and counsel again, but ultimately decided against it. It was a small and dying congregation and they were looking for someone to fill the pews again. I was up front and honest with the search committee telling them that I did not have the gifts of showmanship and demonstrative evangelism. I am just a teacher and counselor. You know Tim, the churches today seem to be following the patterns set by Hollywood and the media - lots of hype, glitz, noise, and lights. Laity and clergy alike are mesmerized and drawn to the promise of spiritual stardom like moths to a flame. Sorry, can't do that - won't do that! I'll quietly take my place at the back of the undilating crowd of hopefuls and wait for an opportunity to inconspicuously slip out the door into the sunlight and fresh air. What else can I say?Christ plus nothing,Bernard
 

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Hello Tim,About two years ago I interviewed for a part-time position with the American Baptist Church. Since I had been filling the pulpit for them on an occasional basis, they were confident in the call that they extended to me. I thought a very long time about the opportunity to teach and counsel again, but ultimately decided against it. It was a small and dying congregation and they were looking for someone to fill the pews again. I was up front and honest with the search committee telling them that I did not have the gifts of showmanship and demonstrative evangelism. I am just a teacher and counselor. You know Tim, the churches today seem to be following the patterns set by Hollywood and the media - lots of hype, glitz, noise, and lights. Laity and clergy alike are mesmerized and drawn to the promise of spiritual stardom like moths to a flame. Sorry, can't do that - won't do that! I'll quietly take my place at the back of the undilating crowd of hopefuls and wait for an opportunity to inconspicuously slip out the door into the sunlight and fresh air. What else can I say?Christ plus nothing,Bernard
Brother Bernard,I know EXACTLY what you mean by showmanship and any other sensationalism. Unfortunately, that's the desire of the flesh that wants such things---- it's no different than the world's ways except the subject is different. The church wants a fiery evangelist (and who cares what he teaches, as long as we feel good?), and the world wants Britney Spears. Same thing---- just different subjects.Our church voted out of our controversial (liberal) denomination but the bible basis was not there to withstand trials. The pastor was interested in "getting members" and many would join (maybe out of obligation) because we became a baptizing and marriage machine. My wife and I felt this was wrong and talked many times over this that there would later be repercussions. Sure enough, there's problems going on right now.You sound like a wonderful brother in Christ and I'm going to say a special prayer for you tonight that the Lord will lead you into doing a work for Him that is real and substantial--- not showmanship. Hang in there in the faith, brother.