Binding of Satan - Explanation from Full Preterist Perspective

MatthewG · Aug 6, 2022

Charlie24 said:
There you go with the trademark of false teaching, "your fair speech."

I have no problem with you posting whatever it is you believe, but I will be there Matthew, Lord willing, to show that it is indeed what I say it is, false teaching!

Wish you would have really consider what I just had said because that is truthfully from the heart. That is a very serious message.

In this life it must be understood that as human beings we are going to pass away… those who don’t have faith, perhaps have their portion of the Lake of fire, but it doesn’t say forever.

Those who are faithless get their reward for not having God in their life and there is a place for them outside the kingdom of Heaven, according to John and what he states at the end of revelation. I believe the lake of fire is for Gods purposes of getting people realize the truth about Christ in which in their own time they will confess, but they will have a place outside the kingdom. Or maybe the spirit calls to them from inside the kingdom but they don’t want nothing to do with that, but the Lord says it is his imperative Will to have no perish.

Then there are the faithful who in this live long for God and they believe and have faith and they love God and love others who will die and get their reward upon dying and go on to the new heavenly Jerusalem.

Listen I don’t know everything but what I believe.

The truth is all of us here will die in our own time, hell even a bomb could go off in America and we lose everything, but that doesn’t mean we should lost faith or lose heart for God which is possible for people even to do.

Saying that you believe Jesus already came back is actually one reason that people don’t like because it takes away from “what they may see one day” and it would kill the churches if they say that… they wouldn’t no longer have hardly one show up, except those who are still willingly to learn more about God and the Lord…

Even for the lost, all they can be told is that Jesus came and died for them so that they can be set free in the spirit and Jesus took care of their sin, and hell, and Satan and his angels, and that as their living they can talk to the living God and have new spiritual life by the spirit, and perhaps they will start to wanna know more.

Another thing that keeps people going to church is just have a check list of something they did that week, but some churches I been too don’t even hardly teach from the word itself, and I find that very sad, let alone going into Greek and trying to teach people what some things actually mean.

All I know we will die one day and I believe that Jesus is the truth, the way and the life and he is the only way to reach the Father… (This doesn’t exclude those in different faith who believe in God and are seeking for him in spirit and truth, or those who never heard the name Jesus but have nature to show Gods presence.)

Charlie24 · Aug 6, 2022

MatthewG said:
Wish you would have really consider what I just had said because that is truthfully from the heart. That is a very serious message.

In this life it must be understood that as human beings we are going to pass away… those who don’t have faith, perhaps have their portion of the Lake of fire, but it doesn’t say forever.

Those who are faithless get their reward for not having God in their life and there is a place for them outside the kingdom of Heaven, according to John and what he states at the end of revelation. I believe the lake of fire is for Gods purposes of getting people realize the truth about Christ in which in their own time they will confess, but they will have a place outside the kingdom. Or maybe the spirit calls to them from inside the kingdom but they don’t want nothing to do with that, but the Lord says it is his imperative Will to have no perish.

Then there are the faithful who in this live long for God and they believe and have faith and they love God and love others who will die and get their reward upon dying and go on to the new heavenly Jerusalem.

Listen I don’t know everything but what I believe.

The truth is all of us here will die in our own time, hell even a bomb could go off in America and we lose everything, but that doesn’t mean we should lost faith or lose heart for God which is possible for people even to do.

Saying that you believe Jesus already came back is actually one reason that people don’t like because it takes away from “what they may see one day” and it would kill the churches if they say that… they wouldn’t no longer have hardly one show up, except those who are still willingly to learn more about God and the Lord…

Even for the lost, all they can be told is that Jesus came and died for them so that they can be set free in the spirit and Jesus took care of their sin, and hell, and Satan and his angels, and that as their living they can talk to the living God and have new spiritual life by the spirit, and perhaps they will start to wanna know more.

Another thing that keeps people going to church is just have a check list of something they did that week, but some churches I been too don’t even hardly teach from the word itself, and I find that very sad, let alone going into Greek and trying to teach people what some things actually mean.

All I know we will die one day and I believe that Jesus is the truth, the way and the life and he is the only way to reach the Father… (This doesn’t exclude those in different faith who believe in God and are seeking for him in spirit and truth, or those who never heard the name Jesus but have nature to show Gods presence.)

Ok, you have as much as told me you are not a full preterist. You are a moderate/partial preterist.

But it's still messed up, Matthew.

You have mixed a form of preterist belief with universalism and you have no ideas how confused you really are.

That false belief effects everything down the line in scripture. The fact that you don't believe the Lake of Fire is the permanent dwelling of the lost is evident in this post.

It's just one thing after another!

MatthewG · Aug 6, 2022

I’m a man of seemingly lots of contradictions brother. Hope you love me either way…

There is much to learn and my encouragement is for people to not lose hope, not lose faith, continue to seek God in spirit in truth.

God knows the hearts of individuals.

I don’t believe in universalism as it says all ways lead to heaven and all are saved to the kingdom of heaven.

As I stated about those from different faith backgrounds “they can seek for God” and God knows them, perhaps they don’t really know Jesus, so you think God will judge them fairly?

God speaks to people through nature, to their consciences, through the Law, Through the prophets, through Jesus Christ, through the apostles and of course by and through the spirit.

God is much more powerful than me, and capable of much more than me. So I don’t believe everyone is saved to the kingdom of heaven, and I believe those who have gotten a chance to learn something even a little bit about Jesus perhaps will come to learn about Him before the end of their life, who can I judge?

God is the judge.

So listen Charlie, I’m full of what seems like contradictions, but I don’t believe in universalism, which says all ways lead to heaven. That is not true. But those who are seeking for God, God will lead them to the truth at least that is my hope.

Hopefully you understand, or at least get a better picture.

It’s not that I’m confused or lost or anything like that I’m settled in my faith, being made right with God because of Jesus and his righteousness and if I had to tell anyone else the same thing I would when the spirit moves me to do so and share with someone if the chance is given.

Eternally Grateful · Aug 6, 2022

MatthewG said:
People may post whatever they want to.

For me, I personally believe Satan has been done away with.

This is very dangerous thinking, we are even warned that satan is seeking to devour us and to be on the lookout. Satan has been decieving the nations non stop. He has always been bound from keeping Gods word from finding the people he was even bound until it was time, to kill christ..

Charlie24 · Aug 6, 2022

MatthewG said:
I’m a man of seemingly lots of contradictions brother. Hope you love me either way…

There is much to learn and my encouragement is for people to not lose hope, not lose faith, continue to seek God in spirit in truth.

God knows the hearts of individuals.

I don’t believe in universalism as it says all ways lead to heaven and all are saved to the kingdom of heaven.

As I stated about those from different faith backgrounds “they can seek for God” and God knows them, perhaps they don’t really know Jesus, so you think God will judge them fairly?

God speaks to people through nature, to their consciences, through the Law, Through the prophets, through Jesus Christ, through the apostles and of course by and through the spirit.

God is much more powerful than me, and capable of much more than me. So I don’t believe everyone is saved to the kingdom of heaven, and I believe those who have gotten a chance to learn something even a little bit about Jesus perhaps will come to learn about Him before the end of their life, who can I judge?

God is the judge.

So listen Charlie, I’m full of what seems like contradictions, but I don’t believe in universalism, which says all ways lead to heaven. That is not true. But those who are seeking for God, God will lead them to the truth at least that is my hope.

Hopefully you understand, or at least get a better picture.

It’s not that I’m confused or lost or anything like that I’m settled in my faith, being made right with God because of Jesus and his righteousness and if I had to tell anyone else the same thing I would when the spirit moves me to do so and share with someone if the chance is given.

Don't think that I'm accusing you of being unsaved, if that thought has crossed your mind.

I have always said that we can get all the doctrines wrong, but if we get Jesus right we will be saved!

I'll be watching on the UR thing, what you are saying here is not what I have taken from some of your previous posts.

For example, you just mentioned in your last or next to last post about the scripture where the lost are outside the gate.

You have totally misunderstood that, Matthew. The scripture plainly says, whosoever was not found written the book of life were cast into the Lake of Fire. The lost are not "at" the gate looking in on the saved as you suppose.

See, this is that UR mess that will follow you all the way through scripture and create false teaching.

There's more I need to mention on your partial preterism, and I will later as I read your future posts.

MatthewG · Aug 6, 2022

Charlie24 said:
Don't think that I'm accusing you of being unsaved, if that thought has crossed your mind.

No this never came to mind.

I have always said that we can get all the doctrines wrong, but if we get Jesus right we will be saved!

Understood.

I'll be watching on the UR thing, what you are saying here is not what I have taken from some of your previous posts.

For example, you just mentioned in your last or next to last post about the scripture where the lost are outside the gate.

Revelation 22:15

You have totally misunderstood that, Matthew. The scripture plainly says, whosoever was not found written the book of life were cast into the Lake of Fire. The lost are not "at" the gate looking in on the saved as you suppose.

Interesting I made a mention of the Book of Life in my Study in 1 Peter.

See, this is that UR mess that will follow you all the way through scripture and create false teaching.

Believe you misunderstood me. Universalism - says all ways lead to heaven. (I am say there are two parts which John talks about) Those who go into the heavenly Jerusalem, and those who are outside of the city gates, all the liars, and murders.

Because John talks about it, I do not say it is false at all. The people who believe now in this life by faith are saved to the kingdom of God. Those who are not saved in this life by faith, die in their sins (because the only sin left was the sin of unbelief) even though their sins were paid for they didn't believe, and that is where those who do not have faith, are suggested by the Apostle John to not be going into the heavenly Jerusalem and all I do is quote him and what he said on that note.[/quote]

Charlie24 · Aug 6, 2022

MatthewG said:
No this never came to mind.

Understood.

Revelation 22:15

Interesting I made a mention of the Book of Life in my Study in 1 Peter.

Believe you misunderstood me. Universalism - says all ways lead to heaven. (I am say there are two parts which John talks about) Those who go into the heavenly Jerusalem, and those who are outside of the city gates, all the liars, and murders.

Because John talks about it, I do not say it is false at all. The people who believe now in this life by faith are saved to the kingdom of God. Those who are not saved in this life by faith, die in their sins (because the only sin left was the sin of unbelief) even though their sins were paid for they didn't believe, and that is where those who do not have faith, are suggested by the Apostle John to not be going into the heavenly Jerusalem and all I do is quote him and what he said on that note.

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Ok, Matthew, I see some contradictions here to some previous posts. But I will give you the benefit of doubt.

Many of the UR folks say that the lost are outside the gates of the righteous in the New Jerusalem according to Rev. 22:14-15.

They claim that is proof they are not in the Lake of Fire. I tell them if that is the case, show me in scripture where they got out and I will join the UR!

The UR is the same as Evolution, all theories and no fact whatsoever!

I've got things to do now, I'll catch you later. Enjoyed our chat!

BarneyFife · Aug 7, 2022

MatthewG said:
I believe Satan has been done away with, and what is the harm in believing that Jesus Christ has overcome all things? Is it really harmful to others?

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For the record, since it seems to be the normative practice, I'll chime in and state my belief that the victory Christ gained over Satan on the cross (with regard to the devil personally—but also among other manifold purposes) was in taking back the dominion that Adam surrendered to him in Eden.

One of the devil's favorite deceptions is getting people to believe he is not active supernaturally on earth. It gives him great advantage—especially to the unbelieving.

Also, to the unfallen angels and other intelligences that might exist, it was made manifest exactly what the proposed government of Lucifer's devising ultimately leads to.

And if Christ has overcome all things in the sense that everything that needs to be overcome has been, then:

Why are we still here?
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Robert Gwin · Aug 8, 2022

MatthewG said:
An hour explanation.

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What a great day that will be for Christians Matt, and we believe it is near on the horizon sir. An even better day will be the day he and his are cast into the lake of fire.

ChristisGod · Aug 8, 2022

Eternally Grateful said:
This is very dangerous thinking, we are even warned that satan is seeking to devour us and to be on the lookout. Satan has been decieving the nations non stop. He has always been bound from keeping Gods word from finding the people he was even bound until it was time, to kill christ..

Amen !

ChristisGod · Aug 8, 2022

BarneyFife said:
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For the record, since it seems to be the normative practice, I'll chime in and state my belief that the victory Christ gained over Satan on the cross (with regard to the devil personally—but also among other manifold purposes) was in taking back the dominion that Adam surrendered to him in Eden.

One of the devil's favorite deceptions is getting people to believe he is not active supernaturally on earth. It gives him great advantage—especially to the unbelieving.

Also, to the unfallen angels and other intelligences that might exist, it was made manifest exactly what the proposed government of Lucifer's devising ultimately leads to.

And if Christ has overcome all things in the sense that everything that needs to be overcome has been, then:

Why are we still here?
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and if satan is done away with like some claim then why is there still evil, sin and death. Those all go hand in hand together in Jesus and the Apostles teachings.

Davy · Aug 8, 2022

MatthewG said:
What do you think about James?

When he said people are lead away by their own desires and when it done it gives birth to sin?

People really do give way to much power to the devil, who becomes defeated in Revelation it is really sad to actually see people believe that Jesus has not even defeated him.

But hey people can believe what they want to right?

There is NO Biblical support for thinking that Satan is already done away with. Just the opposite, because Satan being locked in his pit prison so as to not be able to deceive the nations anymore, we are shown in Revelation 20:1-7 that does not happen until the start of Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect.

Only AFTER... that future "thousand years" reign by Christ and His elect here on earth will Satan be loosed out of his pit prison, to go tempt those same unsaved nations, showing even then, a literal "thousand years" AFTER Christ's future return, Satan will be allowed to deceive one final time those who are unsaved.

And the Books of God's prophets also covers much of that Revelation 20 "thousand years" reign also. Isaiah 24:19-23 even reveals the kings of the earth will be gathered together as prisoners in the pit, shut up in the prison, and after many days (i.e., the "thousand years") they shall be visited.

Thus Full Preterism is just a HUGE BIG FAT LIE for the deceived, and denies many Bible Scriptures.

MatthewG · Aug 8, 2022

I don’t know what full pretrist believe in, but all I know is I believe Jesus has fulfilled everything. Revelation 21-22 are pictures that are still ongoing.

Davy · Aug 9, 2022

MatthewG said:
I don’t know what full pretrist believe in, but all I know is I believe Jesus has fulfilled everything. Revelation 21-22 are pictures that are still ongoing.

Partial Preterism believes that 'much' of Bible prophecy has already been fulfilled, just lacking Christ's future coming.

But 'Full Preterism' does not believe in a future coming of Christ Jesus at all.

Full Preterism instead wrongly believes that Jesus already returned, back in the days of His Apostles, which simply ain't true per God's Word. Thus they treat Jesus' 2nd coming as a 'spiritual' coming, and not as a literal, physical return.

Acts 1 and Zechariah 14 declare Jesus Christ will return back to this earth how He ascended into Heaven.

Thusly, what boat is Full Preterism actually on?

Full Preterism is allied with Satan's workers who are busy today setting up the world for the coming reign by Lucifer who is coming to put himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped (2 Thessalonians 2). That is what today's "one world government" movement is about, also called a "new world order" by globalists. It is actually the beast kingdom shown in Revelation 13 for the end of this world prior to Christ's future return to destroy it.

MatthewG · Aug 9, 2022

Ah to many people put to much fear of Satan in their lives for me. Like stated I don’t know everything about pretrist view in like how they see things. However I do believe Jesus came back for his bride and didn’t lie to those living breathing people, nor did the apostles lie to their living breathing audience, and believe Satan was done away with as John the apostle writes… though many don’t go and check the scriptures and see if what I’m saying is true.

oh I believe they saw him psychically when they looking, watching and waiting for him to return just like he said on Matthew’s gospel.

Davy · Aug 9, 2022

MatthewG said:
Ah to many people put to much fear of Satan in their lives for me. Like stated I don’t know everything about pretrist view in like how they see things. However I do believe Jesus came back for his bride and didn’t lie to those living breathing people, nor did the apostles lie to their living breathing audience, and believe Satan was done away with as John the apostle writes… though many don’t go and check the scriptures and see if what I’m saying is true.

oh I believe they saw him psychically when they looking, watching and waiting for him to return just like he said on Matthew’s gospel.

Your belief doesn't align with what is written in The Bible. That's all I can say.

ChristisGod · Aug 10, 2022

Hey @MatthewG when did these things happen , when were they fulfilled, Got scripture ?

Watch the preterist interpret these passages.

1-Amos 9:11-15 The LORD will restore Israel to its former glory, and they will never be uprooted again
2-Micah 4:1-5 The LORD’s future reign on earth in Jerusalem
3-Micah 4:6-13 The LORD will gather Israel and restore the kingdom
4-Zechariah 2:1-13 The LORD is going to going to call the exiles home to live with him in Israel
5-Zechariah 6:9-15 The LORD will rule as king and priest in the rebuilt temple
6-Zechariah 8:1-23 The LORD of Heaven’s Armies will return to Mount Zion and live in Jerusalem to bless the remnant of Israel
7-Zechariah 9:9-17 The LORD of Heaven’s Armies will destroy all the weapons used in battle and bring peace to the nations
8-Zechariah 10:1-12 The LORD will restore his people
9-Zechariah 12:1-14 The LORD will defend his people and give victory to Jerusalem
10-Zechariah 14:1-21 The LORD will rule the whole earth from Jerusalem

hope this helps !!!

MatthewG · Aug 10, 2022

Hi @Christophany I am not going to answer your questions.

Will tell you this. The Hebrew Bible was only know mainly to Jewish people in the days of the Lord Jesus Christ, and before He had come. They are very unique in the way that they are done, and people should read them for themselves, and see if any scripture can interpret scripture.

I am not a pretrist in the sense of knowing all things they believe. Just simply a person who believes that Jesus has come and everything he had said was fulfilled.

However you can always go and see what www.gotquestions.org may have to offer or something, there is also New Home - Preterist Archives

Like I said I do not know everything nor claim to know everything. I live by faith everything has been fulfilled, despite what people may have to say, and if they disagree with me...

Peace with all men is what scripture says we are to have with our fellow neighbors.

Thank you for continuing to challenging me but I can not really answer your questions. (And I believe you are already fully aware of that fact.)

ChristisGod · Aug 12, 2022

Yes I know you are not going to answer my questions @MatthewG because they expose your errors lol. If you were confident you are right then you would jump on the chance to prove it. See 1 Peter 3:15

hope this helps !!!

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