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amigo de christo

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To argue that Catholicism is untrue because it doesn't transform the lives of those who don't practice it, is like arguing that aspirin doesn't work because it doesn't relieve the headaches of those who don't take it.

The Church only claims to announce the Good News of Jesus Christ, and it invites everyone to embrace the life of grace He offers. It does not claim that people who spurn its teachings and reject its life will be transformed into faithful disciples anyway. Nor does it claim that being born to Catholic parents guarantees that a person will inherit his parents' faith. If you want to see the fruit of the Catholic faith, you have to look at the people who are committed to the faith, who take it seriously and put it into practice every day. It's pointless to look at those who are cultural Catholics only, who say they're Catholic if you ask them, but who don't try to live the life, even though they may go to Mass out of habit, or guilt, or whatever. People aren't magically transformed into good Christians just by walking into a Catholic church (even if they do it every week). Repentance and conversion of heart are the keys to the Christian life. Without them, everything else is sterile and false, whether one calls oneself "Catholic" or not.

But to compare the best Evangelicals with the worst Catholics is hardly fair. If you want to see the real fruit of the Catholic faith, look at the people who actually put it into practice. As you know, the Catholic Church has produced some of the greatest, most on-fire saints the world has ever known. Some of them converted whole nations to Christ. We still marvel at their faith and holiness many centuries after they died.

How Can Catholicism Be True When Catholics Are So Dead?
YEAH , only you dont even do that for yourself . YOu say and yet you do NOT .
You say examine its leaders . ONLY YOU YOURSELF cannot see POPE francis FOR WHAT HE IS . HOW hard did you examine HIM
against peter , john and the apostels in the bible . HAD YOU DONE THAT , YOU WOULD HAVE FLED that man .
the problem is you only test your leaders against what they themselves have taught you . How dare one goes back to the bible
and actually read it for themselves . TO YOU its thus sayeth the catholic tradtion and intepreation of said scriptures .
YET had you ONLY trusted in GOD and not in these men , then how clearly you could have seen .
THIS POPE is perhaps the most modern day dangerous pope to ever sit the throne . ONLY YOU JUSTIFY HIS EVERY MOVE .
This breaks my heart for you to say what i do next . BUT TILL your eyes are opened not only are you in grave danger
but you are a danger to the true church and must be warned against . IF ONLY you knew the true love i had for you and that i desired only good for you . BUT YOU REFUSE to hear one word and rather just heed folks like pope francis and others who led men astray for years .
 
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Both Luther and Calvin, the primary founders of Protestantism, baptized babies, but you don't attack them!!!

Maybe so, but your change is only partial because you attack and insult our faith with lies, falsehoods, and silly rants. Your level of anti-Catholicism is a religious sickness. You refuse to be reasoned with.
No one brought them up . calvin was as dangerous as the worst pope to ever sit the throne . and as for luther i dont know hardly anything about him . But i know calvin was very dangerous and also that Zwingli fellow . AND also every single protestant that had catholics put to death .
ITS TIME WE RETURN TO THE BEGINNING . And start learning TRUTH for ourselves .
 
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amigo de christo

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Both Luther and Calvin, the primary founders of Protestantism, baptized babies, but you don't attack them!!!

Maybe so, but your change is only partial because you attack and insult our faith with lies, falsehoods, and silly rants. Your level of anti-Catholicism is a religious sickness. You refuse to be reasoned with.
this is one thing that both you and calvinist can agree on . that i go after their false doctrine like a pitt bull . ITS TRUE I DO .
Calvin was a horrible seed . I dont speak ill of the dead but i only say it to keep anyone from going in that direction .
I have warned out against him way more than you realize . But on that same note i have warned out against pope francis As much if not more .
WE must RETURN to the beginning . IF folks want to know if i am a liar or if i speak the truth . THEN READ THAT BIBLE FOR YOURSELF
and learn it well , LOVE IT and see for yourselves . but stop assuming and stop heeding these men and start learning FOR YOURSELF .
 
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I have long said for folks to simply return to the bible and read it for themselves . STOP following the blind
lest one ends up in the ditch .

Dear amigo,

I have heard the scriptues proclaimed since I was a babe. They are written on my heart..

You know what I find there? Testimony of who Jesus is and the invitation to come and be united with Him in the Eucharist.

So has the Church proclaimed for 2000 years..

All are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God

Pax et Bonum
 

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The Church has never taken "credit" for the Scriptures - they were authored by God.
And the Catholic men who wrote the New Testament gave all the glory to HIM.

And make NO mistake - the ONLY reason you know they it is the Word of God is because Cathlic Church told you so
Like it or not - you DO adhere to the Cathollic Tradition of the NT Canon of Scripture.

Whatever Books and Letters were chosen to be in the Canon was decided by the Catholic Church unfer the guidance of the Holy Spirit (John 16:12-15).
This is an inescapable fact.

So MY question to all of the Catholic-haters is:
WHY do YOU believe it?

We do not hate Catholics, just the institution of the Catholic church and it's dogmas.

I believe the scriptures because when I came to faith in Christ miraculously back in 1986, the Holy Spirit drew me to read and love them as well as giving me the ability to understand them. If only that were the case for Catholics, but unfortunately their faith is just a mental belief for the vast majority of them. ( I know because I used to be one of them.) Which has some measure of blessing for this life if one at least eschews sinning, but not for eternal life, which is so sad and tragic....they are taught that they are saved, but they are not, and this essentially innoculates them against the gospel. I sure wouldn't want to be any of the priests teaching that lie on the day of judgment, being responsible for so many souls going to perdition. As I already mentioned somewhere, as well as another poster, Cornelius was a good and Godly man who believed in the Lord by the hearing of the ear, just like many decent living Catholics do, but still needed to hear the gospel and meet the Lord for himself in order to be born again.....just as Catholics also still need.

And just to point out that there are born again 'protestant' bible scholars out there to verify and translate scripture....Catholic church doesn't hold a monopoly on bible scholarship any more.

You know there has always been a battle for souls within the church, even in the first century the apostles were kept busy trying to keep wolves and false doctrine from getting a foothold in the early church. And Paul did warn that after he departed wolves would come in not sparing the flock...so guess what, it happened as he said....flesh is so unruly making men ambitious as heck. That the Lord is merciful and powerful, and a few Catholics have managed to get born again and become true believers down through the centuries......is not one bit exonerating for the Catholic institution itself and the lies it teaches. That happens in spite of the RCC, not because of it. God warned us of the adulterous "strange woman" in bed with the world. Friendship with the world is ENMITY with God.
 

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The Royal Priesthood includes ALL of us who belong to Christ.

The Ministerial Pruesthood does NOT (James 5:14-15, Rom 15:15-16, 2 Cor. 5:18-20, 2 Cor. 2:10).

This isn't Rocket Scince, Einstein.
No it sure isn't rocket science....that's what gets people into trouble. It takes the Holy Spirit and mind of Christ to understand the SIMPLICITY OF CHRIST, and not to depart from it.
 
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HOW??

I gave you the BIBLICAL PROOF for the NT Ministerial Priesthood.
For starters - you can adrdress that.

I fully understand why you can't - but TRY anyway . . .
Not proof....you're only bringing a carnal minded interpretation and vision of those verses, not seeing/understanding with the mind of Christ. Carnal mind is ENMITY against God.
 
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And just to point out that there are born again 'protestant' bible scholars out there to verify and translate scripture....Catholic church doesn't hold a monopoly on bible scholarship any more.
Catholics don't make that claim. In fact, Catholic and Protestant scholars worked together on the Revised Standard Version of the Bible. We are not your enemy, but you want us to be.

You know there has always been a battle for souls within the church, even in the first century the apostles were kept busy trying to keep wolves and false doctrine from getting a foothold in the early church. And Paul did warn that after he departed wolves would come in not sparing the flock...so guess what, it happened as he said....flesh is so unruly making men ambitious as heck.
Paul also warned against division, the very onset of Protestantism.
That the Lord is merciful and powerful, and a few Catholics have managed to get born again and become true believers down through the centuries......is not one bit exonerating for the Catholic institution itself and the lies it teaches. That happens in spite of the RCC, not because of it. God warned us of the adulterous "strange woman" in bed with the world. Friendship with the world is ENMITY with God
. You are preaching Seventh Day Adventism and not even aware of it.
 
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Not proof....you're only bringing a carnal minded interpretation and vision of those verses, not seeing/understanding with the mind of Christ. Carnal mind is ENMITY against God.
But you don't give your interpretation of BofL list of scriptures, you just say his is "carnal" with no explanation. Prejudice is not the mind of Christ.
 

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Dear amigo,

I have heard the scriptues proclaimed since I was a babe. They are written on my heart..

You know what I find there? Testimony of who Jesus is and the invitation to come and be united with Him in the Eucharist.

So has the Church proclaimed for 2000 years..

All are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God

Pax et Bonum
The true church has always proclaimed it , its just many are not truly of that body .
How many folks still pray to saints , to mary , to angels . How many folks still light incense and burn it to statues .
We do realize why that one king had to destroy even the very ROD of Moses . Remember in the desert
that GOD had told MOSES to make that rod and put a golden serpent on it
and then have the people look upon it to be healed .
One king who cleaned house had to destroy it . Would you like to know why .
Cause the people were burning incense to it . THEY TURNED IT INTO AN IDOL .
Till folks quit praying to angels , to saints , to mary , till folks stop making these statues of peoples and saints
and burning incense unto them , WE have us a MAJOR problem .
What is so hard about trusting in GOD and praying to HIM and HE ALONE in the name of JESUS .
And this excuse i hear from folks who defend those popes who since almost that church began
have been having folks kneel to kiss the ring . THEY try and say its out of respect to peter .
BUT FORGOT that peter NEVER had folks KNEEL TO HIM . NOT EVER . NOT ONCE . TRUTH IS both he and john
stopped even the crowd that ran upon them as though they were some great thing .
SO there is no excuse . IF peter , paul , john , barnabas and others never had folks kneel before them ,
THEN WHY KNEEL before any pope and kiss any ring .
You also forget how when peter had entered into the house of cornelious they too tried to kneel before him
and he said GET UP i am just a man like you . SO if in the life of peter , WHOM you all cliam was the first pope
HE rejected any kind of such worship from men . HOW says the popes to kneel and kiss the ring and then try and justify
it by saying OH its just the ring of peter and that office we show resect too .
IF an angel from heaven TOLD JOHN to get up and not kneel before it , TO WORSHIP GOD alone
THEN what on earth makes mere men think its okay to have folks kneel before them .
IF JESUS said beware of men who love to dress up , wear long robes and etc
THEN WHY does the CC get all decked up in such stuff . TO BE SEEN of men is why they do it
The popes sold a bill of rotted goods to the peoples and sadly the peoples seemed to buy it .
 

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I've never been into men choosing apostles or popes for that matter. God has always called the foolish ones to confound the proud and so on. God calls prophets, man does not. And although the apostles called another apostle thru drawing straws, it was not God that did it. I'm skeptic when men choose who is called of God.

1 Corinthians 1:27-31

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27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the a]">[a]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”
 
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The churches are in serious trouble . The leaders wont correct anymore and if they do correct
its to correct those who WOULD CORRECT .
Leaven is filling places full and all they holler is love love love and judge anyone who dares to correct sins .
What kind of love allows folks to perish in sin .
What kind of love allows folks to follow another jesus or another gospel .
What kind of love wont correct those who do err within said church .
NOT THE LOVE that comes FROM GOD ,that is for sure and for certain .
Now its time for the ones who love the LORD to arise and start looking out for the people .
Cause most leaders sure aint gonna do it . They too busying turning the church into a business and reaping up the money .
Blind leaders of the blind . And you know what happens if a blind man follows a blind guide , they both fall into the ditch .
Its time to stop allowing folks to believe its okay to live a life in sin .
And that does include homosexuality . DID paul tell the church hey that man who had his fathers wife , OH its not big deal we all sin
just hug , overlook it and let GOD work on them . NO he rebuked the church for even allowing that man to remain in said church .
I am telling us all that we have been sold a rotted bill of goods with this all inclusive nightmare .
It has not and will not look out for the church and it will not correct error . IT just says hug and all is well .
IN fact ,over time its turned them against TRUTH , against the LOVE that comes FROM GOD
and against any one who would dare to correct any memeber who is in sin . Satan did this through men .
Satan knows that a lil leaven will rock the place full of leaven . So he used men to destroy the very foundation
and teachings of Christ and the apostels in order to get the churches leavened full . Its time to expose it .
IF we love the peoples then we look out for the peoples . And turning a blind eye to a brethren in sin , AINT LOOKING OUT FOR THEM . NOR is it or will it take care of the church . The only thing that does is cause the leaven to rise full .
 

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. I'm skeptic when men choose who is called of God.

Hi devin,
Indeed, the very reason those who feel called must ne tested, trained and approved (ordained) by the Church!

7:1 Be ye therefore on your guard against such men. And this will surely be, if ye be not puffed up and if ye be inseparable from [God] Jesus Christ and from the bishop and from the ordinances of the Apostles. 7:2 He that is within the sanctuary is clean; but he that is without the sanctuary is not clean, that is, he that doeth aught without the bishop and presbytery and deacons, this man is not clean in his conscience

St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Trallians (Lightfoot translation)

Pax et Bonum
 

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Hi devin,
Indeed, the very reason those who feel called must ne tested, trained and approved (ordained) by the Church!

7:1 Be ye therefore on your guard against such men. And this will surely be, if ye be not puffed up and if ye be inseparable from [God] Jesus Christ and from the bishop and from the ordinances of the Apostles. 7:2 He that is within the sanctuary is clean; but he that is without the sanctuary is not clean, that is, he that doeth aught without the bishop and presbytery and deacons, this man is not clean in his conscience

St. Ignatius of Antioch to the Trallians (Lightfoot translation)

Pax et Bonum
Paul left us a good list in several letters of what kind of deacons and bishops should be approved .
Yet today all over the place i see most churches simply approve men who can speak well , but sure dont know much scripture .
They sure are not blameless and as far as being grave and sincere , Its not there at all .
Before any leader gets up to teach , HE better for sure and for certain had been tested . And if the men doing the testing
ought not be leaders themselves then we got us a serious problem in the house . Agreed .
Too many folks are simply looking for folks who can speak well and perhaps hug a lot and preach certain doctrines that appease folks and draw NUMBERS . .
That is a serious problem . IF the leaders are not seasoned and well trained in the pure and holy doctrine
HOW on earth are they gonna lead anyone . IF i were in charge of appointing leaders
I would have them IN THE BIBLE as the BOOK to be reading and get that well engraiened . WELL engrained .
Most folks who think they were called into leadership were not called by GOD . Most folks like the idea
of having folks sitting under them and being seen as some great one and having the praise of men .
THAT KIND of leader is gonna destroy the church . And any leader that can over look sin and error
within the church for the sake of unity , WELL lets just say THAT AINT NO LEADER ya want leading any church .
TIME to return to the beginning . Time to learn CHRIST and the pure and holy doctrine left us in said bible .
 

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Cause most leaders sure aint gonna do it . They too busying turning the church into a business and reaping up the money.
If that were all then it would not be quite as bad as turning the church into "the synagogue of Satan". Is Pope Francis a minion of Satan? . Even those in his own church see that.
 

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If that were all then it would not be quite as bad as turning the church into "the synagogue of Satan". Is Pope Francis a minion of Satan? Absolutely. Even those in his own church see that.
No it sure aint all . And yes pope francis is deadly . Some catholics see through him
Did you know that pope francis might have more or at least as much popularity in THE PROTESTANT realm as HE does in his own realm .
WE have us a serious problem my friends . TOO many folks for far too long have been over looking sins and errors for the sake of unity
and it has blinded their eyes big time and caused them to fall for a ruse . Time to arise and look out for the peoples
cause as i said , MOST LEADERS no longer will . They either stay silent out of fear of persecution , fear of losing numbers
OR they already accept certain sins and ideals . BUT EITHER way They are a grave and deadly danger to the churches they rule over
and its time for them hirelings to take a hike . BUT since they wont they must be exposed . IF we love the peoples we would warn the peoples .
 

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If that were all then it would not be quite as bad as turning the church into "the synagogue of Satan". Is Pope Francis a minion of Satan? Absolutely. Even those in his own church see that.
Truth be told its time for the end time and final reformation . AND ITS GONNA COST the lambs to do so .
But i had sooner be hated and persecuted and even killed for the glorious sake of Christ than to follow a lie and let others beleive a lie .
WE got to get the peoples back into the bible and fast .
 
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Pope Francis attends Indigenous ‘healing dance’ to ‘Mother Earth’ during Canada trip

As extensively reported by LifeSiteNews, this is not the first time Francis has attended or participated in what seems to be pagan-styled worship.
 

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Pope Francis attends Indigenous ‘healing dance’ to ‘Mother Earth’ during Canada trip

As extensively reported by LifeSiteNews, this is not the first time Francis has attended or participated in what seems to be pagan-styled worship.
That is the same man who in twenty sixteen had a commerical made . I suggest we watch that commerical .
IT was an all out attack against the one true gospel . The man believes in what is known as inclusivity .
That means as long as folks are doing good and have this so called love , IT DONT matter what they beleive or what religion they follow
they are serving the same GOD we do . ITS A LIE . they now build these huge temples with the three main religoins
selling a lie as though muslims and other religoins are all serving the same GOD as christains do , in different ways .
TALK about A LIE . THIS IS an all out attack against the very one true and only gospel that does and can save a man .
WE HAVE US A MASSIVE PROBLEM TOO and it aint just a catholic problem , about seventy percent of so called protestants now
believe this lie that GOD is fine with all these other religions and that every has his or her own personal path to GOD .
SO long as they love . BUT WHAT KIND OF LOVE would allow folks to believe such a lie . IT AINT COMING FROM GOD
but from the dragon . WE must stand and contend for the one true faith and do so while there still be time to do so .
cause a delusion , the likes of which i have never seen is taking captive all to merge as one and it aint under GOD
but under HE who has always desired to be as GOD . THINK YA KNOW EXACTLY WHO THAT IS , BUT LET ME SPELL IT OUT , SATAN .
 
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WRONG.

I was sealed and received the gifts of the Holy spirit at Baptism, as promised in Acts 2:28-39, John 3:5, Acts 19:1-7, Col. 2:11-12, Tit. 3:4-8.
Because my parents were faithful to those promises - they guided me in faith until I opened those gifts when I was cconfirmed.

YOU keep forgetting that Acts 2 doesn't STOP at verse 38 . . .
Acts 2:39

For the promise is for you AND FOR YOUR CHILDREN and for all who are far off, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

Just like our Jewish forfathers who circumcised their infants in order for them to enter the Covenant with God - MY Parents had me Baptized in order for me to enter the NEW Covenant with God.

You have a LOT to learn about Type and Fulfillment . . .
How many days old were you when you repented, was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and received the gift of the Holy Ghost as the 3000 did per Acts 2:38?

Around 8 days old?

Please clarify this for me.

Thanks.