The Law

Bob Estey · Jul 8, 2022

I think many people misunderstand the law (of the Lord). The purpose of the law, I believe, was to show us what types of behavior get us into trouble. God gave us the law for our own benefit. For example: If I rob a bank, I'll probably go to prison. Therefore, the Lord told us not to steal. He didn't want to us to suffer. It isn't always as obvious as that, but I think the principle always holds. The law is our friend, not our enemy.

Michiah-Imla · Jul 8, 2022

Bob Estey said:
I think many people misunderstand the law (of the Lord). The purpose of the law, I believe, was to show us what types of behavior get us into trouble. God gave us the law for our own benefit. For example: If I rob a bank, I'll probably go to prison. Therefore, the Lord told us not to steal. He didn't want to us to suffer. It isn't always as obvious as that, but I think the principle always holds. The law is our friend, not our enemy.

“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.” (Galatians 3:19)

BloodBought 1953 · Jul 8, 2022

Bob Estey said:
I think many people misunderstand the law (of the Lord). The purpose of the law, I believe, was to show us what types of behavior get us into trouble. God gave us the law for our own benefit. For example: If I rob a bank, I'll probably go to prison. Therefore, the Lord told us not to steal. He didn't want to us to suffer. It isn't always as obvious as that, but I think the principle always holds. The law is our friend, not our enemy.

What you say is true, but just don’t forget that the MAIN purpose of the Law was to show us that we are Sinners that need a Savior ....the Keeping Of it does save a person ......”Christ is THE END of the Law for Righteousness” ....

Taken · Jul 8, 2022

Bob Estey said:
I think many people misunderstand the law (of the Lord). The purpose of the law, I believe, was to show us what types of behavior get us into trouble. God gave us the law for our own benefit. For example: If I rob a bank, I'll probably go to prison. Therefore, the Lord told us not to steal. He didn't want to us to suffer. It isn't always as obvious as that, but I think the principle always holds. The law is our friend, not our enemy.

God gave the Hebrews 3 specific things - Neh 9:14

* Laws - specific to Hebrews were orally taught, then written, then copied, then distributed among the Hebrews, then the Tribes.

* Statutes - written Commands of God, first written BY Gods finger on stone tablets. The tablets broken by Moses. Rewritten by Moses on new tablets of stone.

* Precepts - behaviors among men, such and such behaviors for a good result. Such and such behaviors for a negative result.

OT study benefits any man, Because the Laws of the Hebrews, contains the History of the Hebrews & Tribes Relationship WITH God..
Additionally Gods Statutes and Gods Precepts are intermingled within Hebrew Laws.

The Laws, did not, do not apply to Gentiles.

The Statutes - apply to any man who believes in God.

The Precepts - apply to any man regardless if they believe in God.

NT study benefits any man, Because it reveals the Fulfilling of the Hebrew Laws; when, how, why, and the benefit of any man who Accepts the fulfillment.

Precepts - continue to apply regarding Behaviors among/between men...
Regardless of a mans relationship with or without God.

Confusion results in misunderstanding.
A mans relationship with God, is sealed in Conversion. Period. Sin against God has been overcome.

A mans relationship with man, IS NOT SEALED. Men are not all knowing, not all in agreement. Not all in one accord. Have differences. Bump against each other.
And when one man oversteps into an other mans SPACE, that is called a TRESPASS....but men as arrogant as they are....confuse;
Man against mans TRESPASS, as a SIN of man against man.

Mans SIN, is being Against God.
Mans TRESPASS, is man overstepping into an others mans Space, belongings, property, etc.

Windmillcharge · Jul 9, 2022

Bob Estey said:
The purpose of the law

Is to show us how to demonstrate our Love for God.

BloodBought 1953 · Jul 9, 2022

Windmillcharge said:
Is to show us how to demonstrate our Love for God.

God gave the Law to show His Standard Of Perfection and He used it to Convict us ALL of our True Guilt before Him, so that we would see that we MUST have a Savior —- that “Savior” being Jesus Christ....

Windmillcharge · Jul 9, 2022

BloodBought 1953 said:
God gave the Law to show His Standard Of Perfection and He used it to Convict us ALL of our True Guilt before Him, so that we would see that we MUST have a Savior —- that “Savior” being Jesus Christ....

Oh it does all that, but our willingness to obey it demonstrates our love for him.

Ancient · Jul 10, 2022

This may help

Shalom

Davy · Jul 11, 2022

The law was made for the lawless and unholy, according to Apostle Paul (1 Timothy 1).

Katallasso · Aug 7, 2022

BloodBought 1953 said:
What you say is true, but just don’t forget that the MAIN purpose of the Law was to show us that we are Sinners that need a Savior ....the Keeping Of it does save a person ......”Christ is THE END of the Law for Righteousness” ....

What you say about "the Keeping Of it does save a person" is not what Paul teaches. Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified".

Behold · Aug 7, 2022

Bob Estey said:
I think many people misunderstand the law (of the Lord). The purpose of the law, I believe, was to show us what types of behavior get us into trouble.

Bob,
You are speaking more about the commandments as a lifestyle and behavioral boundary.

But, in both cases, the law and commandments...... are ultimately designed to show you your need for the righteousness of God that is only found in the Cross of Christ being delivered to us as "The GIFT of Righteousness" and "The Gift of Salvation"

Galatians 3:24 : ""Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster = to bring us unto Christ, that we might be = justified by faith.""

Bob Estey · Aug 7, 2022

Behold said:
Bob,
You are speaking more about the commandments as a lifestyle and behavioral boundary.

But, in both cases, the law and commandments...... are ultimately designed to show you your need for the righteousness of God that is only found in the Cross of Christ being delivered to us as "The GIFT of Righteousness" and "The Gift of Salvation"

Galatians 3:24 : ""Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster = to bring us unto Christ, that we might be = justified by faith.""

I believe the Lord was speaking to us of practical things. He said, "Do to steal." He knew if we did, we'd wind up in prison, so he told us not to.

It's like "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (Matthew 4:17). People think that's some mystical statement, but it isn't. He's simply saying that if we repent, we will have peace of mind - heaven - now.

Enoch111 · Aug 7, 2022

Bob Estey said:
The law is our friend, not our enemy.

Correct. Paul calls the law "holy, just, and good...ordained to life". So the problem is not with the Law but with human beings.

BloodBought 1953 · Aug 7, 2022

Enoch111 said:
Correct. Paul calls the law "holy, just, and good...ordained to life". So the problem is not with the Law but with human beings.

If one Believes that the “ Keeping Of The Law” is what gets him or her Saved....That Law will indeed be your “ enemy”......your DAMNED ( literally) Enemy.....

BloodBought 1953 · Aug 7, 2022

Enoch111 said:
Correct. Paul calls the law "holy, just, and good...ordained to life". So the problem is not with the Law but with human beings.

God Himself “Found Fault” with the Law.....What was that “Fault?” As great as it was, it simply had “ No Power to SAVE!”.....

The GOSPEL is where the “ POWER” is——-Discover it in 1Cor15:1-4.....

Behold · Aug 8, 2022

Bob Estey said:
. People think that's some mystical statement, but it isn't. He's simply saying that if we repent, we will have peace of mind - heaven - now.

Would it not be better to live a life, a perfected discipleship, so that you dont have to repent or confess?

Hebrews 6:1

Bob Estey · Aug 8, 2022

Behold said:
Would it not be better to live a life, a perfected discipleship, so that you dont have to repent or confess?

Hebrews 6:1

That is what repentance is - a perfected discipleship, so that you don't have to repent or confess. We've all sinned - the sooner we stop sinning, the better. Wouldn't you agree?

Behold · Aug 9, 2022

Bob Estey said:
That is what repentance is - a perfected discipleship,

Do you think about what you think?
Do you ever do that?

How can "repentance" which is a turning from wrong behavior or wrong belief, be "perfected" discipleship.

Perfected Discipleship, does not have to repent or confess anything, or turn from anything.
Thats why its perfected.

Bob Estey · Aug 9, 2022

Behold said:
Do you think about what you think?
Do you ever do that?

How can "repentance" which is a turning from wrong behavior or wrong belief, be "perfected" discipleship.

Perfected Discipleship, does not have to repent or confess anything, or turn from anything.
Thats why its perfected.

I just try to obey God.

Behold · Aug 9, 2022

Bob Estey said:
I just try to obey God.

Of course you do, Bob.
Im not of the opinion that you are not a committed believer.
However, you talk about commandments way too much, and the Cross of Christ and the Blood of Jesus, not at all.
Ive listened to your faith-speak, and its all : Works and Commandments.
So, based on your posts that always omit the blood atonement when you discuss salvation, something crucial is missing in your faith.

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