Objections to Sola Scriptura

MatthewG said:

Hello Friend of, I personally do not care for the doctrinal stance 'Sola Scriptura' however the term 'Sola Spiritus' is far better. It is a great thing that we have writings through out history that deal with God and mankind, and how God had sent his Son to be able to reconcile the world back unto Himself.

Sola Scriptura breaks the word of God up into little daggers, and refutations of what one may say, against what another may say. We see these things going back through the Crusades and Reformations. If someone disagrees with another based on scripture 'kill them', basically that is where it ends at.

People drawing swords out, and clanging them up against each other, some slaying an ear, or trying to cut a person down by the legs, and allowing no mercy, or allowing a person to have thoughts and think for themselves. Of course the Bible is useful, are there some areas that need to be learned to get a better understanding such as Greek and Hebrew words? Sure.

The over all ending message is to have love for God and love for others, not smacking people around in the face because they disagree with a persons dogmatic stance.

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Also a well-written post.

farouk said:

But the fruit of the Spirit does not negate Sola Scriptura; it should all be in harmony.

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Same with the gifts of the Spirit, still in operation today. If it is the Spirit speaking it, it will line up with scripture. It will not negate scripture, it will amplify and be in harmony with it.

Wrangler said:

Overall, I think it is better than the alternative, which is a reaction to a collection of power hungry men who corrupted the purpose of Christian living to control the masses for profit. Compare the medieval cathedrals to the squalor the people lived in who financed it.

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I agree, only one need not settle IMO.

The above was the case before the printing press put the word of God in the hands of the ordinary believer. This released scripture from being captive to the hands of a select few - an all-powerful priesthood that decided all matters doctrinally. But now that the word of God is in the hands of the church as a whole again, what they have needed was a return to the Holy Spirit being their Teacher and leading them into all truth through it. Instead what we have in many cases are people inventing their own wild doctrinal theories and interpretations which never arose from God because they never stopped to ask Him before beginning to speculate, and then vaunt themselves as qualified "spiritual leaders."

MatthewG said:

Yes it’s important to read the Bible. It’s the only way to build up faith.

Romans 10:17 So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

This isn’t trying to put authority on anyone it is simply encouraging people to go and read the Bible, the more you read it out loud to yourself and hear it, it builds faith.

God bless @amigo de christo.

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Actually, that's GREAT advice, Matthew!

While in college, I had to take several screenwriting classes. One thing we were taught was, when we were finished writing our screenplay:
1. Print out a hard copy. (The Bible is already 'hard copy', so we don't have to worry about that!
2. Read it OUT LOUD, from beginning to end. Read EACH and EVERY WORD OUT LOUD. Now, this does NOT mean to read the entire Bible in one sitting. It can be a book...or a chapter.
3. Make notes as you go. You may find that whatever questions you might have, may very well be answered in a few minutes, or a few paragraphs later.
4. Start from the end (Revelation) and read from Revelation to Genesis. Believe me, you'd be amazed at how much more you can get out of it!

Taken said:

The question is IF the Bible alone is not reliable for Verifying Gods Word that men Hear....then what is?

Philosophers writings? Commentators writings? Letters of men who claim they knew a guy who knew an Apostle?
The writings of men who themselves are against reliance on the Scriptures for verification? <— How clever is that!

Anti-Scripture in any way, shape or form is the devise of wicked men.

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@Taken Put differently, it is often said that Scripture is self-authenticating.

Taken said:

The question is IF the Bible alone is not reliable for Verifying Gods Word that men Hear....then what is?

Philosophers writings? Commentators writings? Letters of men who claim they knew a guy who knew an Apostle?
The writings of men who themselves are against reliance on the Scriptures for verification? <— How clever is that!

Anti-Scripture in any way, shape or form is the devise of wicked men.

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Ask God for yourself.

PS. When working with Sola Scirptura it's the same dillimena and same answer. So many different interpretations.

Taken said:

Oh, I do.



I believe Scripture is knowledge and the interpretation/understanding comes from God.

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@Taken We need the gracious help of the Holy Spirit in understanding the Word, right?

Hence prayer accompanying Scripture reading and study...........

Taken said:

Oh, I do.



I believe Scripture is knowledge and the interpretation/understanding comes from God.

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Wow. How gnostic is that?

The upshot of such a position is frightening: because the Holy Spirit does not confound, only one of the myriad opposing interpretations/understandings of the same verses by different Christians (peruse this site for 10 minutes, and you'll see just how rampant that is) is the right one illuminated by the Holy Spirit, and the rest of those Christians are bereft of the Spirit in understanding the written word! God has left some of His flock twisting in the wind!

Let me ask, @Taken: Do you think Paul knew he was writing in code to his churches, a code that could only be cracked by the Holy Spirit informing the reader? Or perhaps you think he was trying to be as clear and intelligible as he possibly could, but the Holy Spirit just moved his pen involuntarily and forced him to insert some ambiguity, so that when the letter got read to the assembly only the worthy, Holy Spirit- laden listener would "get it"?

I believe Scripture is knowledge and the interpretation/understanding comes from reading it (or the best translation we can find) in context, and considering carefully what others (preachers, teachers, commentators) have concluded about its meaning -- just like with any other ancient text. I'm pretty sure the author of 2 Peter 3:16, who refers to those misunderstanding Paul as "untaught" or "unlearned" (ἀμαθεῖς), would give the same answer.

RedFan said:

I believe interpretation/understanding comes from reading it … in context, and considering carefully what others (preachers, teachers, commentators) have concluded about its meaning -- just like with any other ancient text.

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Agreed. With the Caveat to pray, for the Word of God is alive. I have experienced it. St. Augustine wrote of this in Confessions, one deriving meaning and truth for an individual even beyond the writers intentions.

Winter before last I talked to several others who experienced this and the summer before I had the opportunity to talk to the retired pastor Billy Graham (not the famous one). He brought it up and marveled after 50 years of ministry he is still making fresh connections.

I somewhat believe this is what leads to denomination, where millions of people come to Christ because of these minor variations in applying the Word of God.

How do we know?
If not by the word and Spirit of God.
The word Can not lead us astray.
The Spirit reveals only what he has seen of the Father & Son, therefore he will not lead us astray !

It is sad when we cannot trust men supposedly called of God to minister to the flock. The word comes through preaching and the called preachers are supposed to be anointed and led by the Spirit to be watchmen overseeing God's ppl. We live in an age where this is not the full truth anymore!

Someone once asked can a person be a lone Christian? I say to that for today, how can we not be ! The word NEVER fails. It is for our correction, our doctrine, our truth !

I quit attending local " churches many years ago. I like the preacher I post of his sermons on here but today's society wants a socially accepting club where they go,not one that preaches sin and it's consequences.

WHERE ARE THE MEN OF GOD WHO ARE CALLED AND ANOINTED AND CARE ABOUT OTHERS RATHER THAN SELF AND THE BALANCE IN THE BANK?

There are a few men and a few women here I would gladly sit under to teach me.

What they have said I find backed by the word of God.

Some here are brainwashed, INDOCTRINATED, and simply are lost w/o God and don't know it. There are many heretics here also whom THINK they have the profound "HIDDEN" knowledge but are simply mad from to much learning and leaning to outside sources rather than the word!

We must walk in light,not stumble in the dark, the word is a lamp and a light unto my soul!

friend of said:

What are the doctrinal objections to this Protestant lynchpin. From the vantage of any denomination.

To me, it seems foolish to be against Sola Scriptura. It just makes too much sense that God's inspired word should be the first, middle and last word on all things pertaining to the faith. If this were not so, why do we even have the bible?

Discuss ty and God bless

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The object, I believe, is to develop a personal relationship with the Lord, after which we are always talking with him and learning from him.

friend of said:

What are the doctrinal objections to this Protestant lynchpin. From the vantage of any denomination.

To me, it seems foolish to be against Sola Scriptura. It just makes too much sense that God's inspired word should be the first, middle and last word on all things pertaining to the faith. If this were not so, why do we even have the bible?

Discuss ty and God bless

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Did Christ found a church or a printing press?

friend of said:

The problem I have with that is this.

How can any denomination today prove that they have preserved the original thoughts, prayers, meditations, feelings and responses to the faith that the very first apostolic Christians and early church founders experienced?

Is history not one long telephone game spanning hundreds upon hundreds of years? How could any denomination prove they hold the origin of the principals of the faith? How could this be proved?

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Only Christ has authority to found the church Matt 16:18-19 only one church Jn 10:16

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Sacramental life: Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Jn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Baptism: (initiation into the covenant)
Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

The Eucharist: (holy communion)
Mt 26:26-39 Jn 6:51-58 1 Cor 11:23-25

Confession of sins:
Jn 20:23 / 1 Jn 1:9 / 2 cor 5:18

Confirmation
Lk 22:32 acts 8:14-17
acts 14:22

Marriage:
Matt 19:4-6

Holy orders: (priesthood)
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru His priesthood in Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 10:1-8 Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 acts 1:17 acts 6:4 acts 8:26
2 Cor 5:18 1 Tim 4:14 Eph 2:20

Extreme unction: (anointing with oil)
1 Tim 4:14 James 5:14

All only in the The ark of salvation: one, holy, catholic, (universal) and apostolic church founded by Jesus Christ on Peter and the apostles!


The deposit of faith, the entire divine revelation and word of God is given to the church of the apostles by Christ to safeguard against all error!
And to faithfully teach all nations!
Jude 1:3, Matt 28:19 Jn 16:13

The church therefore always has and always will believe and teach the same doctrine reveled by Christ!

Founded on Peter and the apostles and their successors. Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20 to teach and sanctify all men Matt 28:19
Jn 3:5 Mk 16:15 acts 8:36-38
1 cor 16:13 gal 3:27 2 Pet 1:11

Salvation without Christ and His church are impossible! 1 cor 16:13 gal 3:27

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32








The church existed and exercised authority from Christ before the New Testament was written, and the church wrote it!


Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: