When will God gather Israel?

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The bible does not say it is a one tiume totsal gathering, but a calling back to teh land. and it has been happening since 1948. whether the pace will pick upi the closer we get to the rapute- we will have to wait and see.
It does start at a certain time. It is known also by the time God is here and has destroyed their enemies and etc etc. That was not any time before today. It is not today either. It has zero to do with some self propelled trickle of immigration to that land in history.
 

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The gathering will start after Jesus returns and gathers the saved Jews from all over the world. Try to distinguish 'gathering or gathered' with GOD gathering. When He gathers them it will be crystal clear and other things will also be happening such as God having wiped out all their enemies etc.
That was not pentecost or 1948! Once all Israel is saved in the end they are anything BUT 'fleshly Israel'!
Really? The Antichrist will gather 10 nations to attack Israel, killing many and likely a remnant will flee and be protected. Israel will be rubble. Just prior to the end of the Great Tribulation, Jesus returns, defeats the Antichrist and in His wrath and judgment destroys all unbelievers as well. The Millennial Kingdom begins. So now Jesus calls the scattered Jews from all nations back to the homeland of rubble? Who's left to call? Will they be flying in on jumbo jets, taking a train or busing it do you think? "Let's us go home and bury bodies for 7 months and clean up the mess."
 

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Really? The Antichrist will gather 10 nations to attack Israel, killing many and likely a remnant will flee and be protected. Israel will be rubble. Just prior to the end of the Great Tribulation, Jesus returns, defeats the Antichrist and in His wrath and judgment destroys all unbelievers as well. The Millennial Kingdom begins. So now Jesus calls the scattered Jews from all nations back to the homeland of rubble? Who's left to call? Will they be flying in on jumbo jets, taking a train or busing it do you think? "Let's us go home and bury bodies for 7 months and clean up the mess."
Your premise is invented. There will still be nations. Did you think all Israel would be 'rubble' when Jesus lands on the mount of Olives? Armageddon involves a lot more than 10 nations! Rev 16:12 clarifies that.

For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
 

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..The Antichrist will gather 10 nations to attack Israel, killing many and likely a remnant will flee and be protected. Israel will be rubble..

Wait a minute, jews are Jesus-rejecters aren't they, so why would God want to protect them??
As for Israel's demise, that'll come when the muslim world gets its hands on nukes following Biden giving Iran permission to go ahead.
The clock is ticking-

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The way He returns to earth is in body. The same way He left, and even the same area. That should be obvious.
So...you are not considering Jesus' comment that He "is coming at an hour you do not expect" to be true either? That much is obvious.

But, to the contrary, what you consider obvious is not what we should expect. That is why I told you something you did not expect...which is actually the truth.

As for returning in body--how can Jesus return in the body He gave to the church? I have told you how. But that body which He now has [as Paul clarified] "is not that body" that was.

As for what the angel said of His return, he did not mean "the same manner" that was seen, but "the same manner" that was unseen--that is the manner of the Spirit, rather than the manner of the flesh (which cannot inherit the kingdom of God).

But these are hard sayings...just as eating His flesh and drinking His blood--for which many left following Him. So, I really don't expect that you will receive it. Nonetheless, I have told you the truth.
 

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Wait a minute, jews are Jesus-rejecters aren't they, so why would God want to protect them??
As for Israel's demise, that'll come when the muslim world gets its hands on nukes following Biden giving Iran permission to go ahead.
The clock is ticking-
When God protects someone He does not need the puny firecracker weapons of man. No weapon formed against us shall prosper. God will assure that a remnant of Israel does get saved. No one can change that. All enemies will be flicked away like snots.
 

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So...you are not considering Jesus' comment that He "is coming at an hour you do not expect" to be true either? That much is obvious.
Yes of course He is coming as a thief in the night. That does not mean He does not return in body. Not even related.
But, to the contrary, what you consider obvious is not what we should expect. That is why I told you something you did not expect...which is actually the truth.
Why pretend? You must know no one has any clue what you are talking about? What truth? What is you imagine we did not expect?
As for returning in body--how can Jesus return in the body He gave to the church?

His body actually was seen rising into heaven BY the church! We were told that is the same manned He will return. Period.
I have told you how. But that body which He now has [as Paul clarified] "is not that body" that was.
That same Jesus with those scars still visible will return in body to rule this world. We know where He will touch down, and etc etc.

As for what the angel said of His return, he did not mean "the same manner" that was seen, but "the same manner" that was unseen--that is the manner of the Spirit, rather than the manner of the flesh (which cannot inherit the kingdom of God).
That is foolishness and totally made up. The men were watching Jesus rise into heaven, not some movie or spirit or hologram. In that sane way He will come back down to earth.
But these are hard sayings.
Why try to cloak outright made up nonsense with some biblical phrase, as if the foolishness was some great wisdom that was hard to comprehend??

..just as eating His flesh and drinking His blood--for which many left following Him
You can't compare ludicous claims that Jesus will not return in body to your lack of understanding about communion!
. So, I really don't expect that you will receive it. Nonetheless, I have told you the truth.

You have went against God and the word and reason and done so flagrantly. Jesus made it crystal clear He was physical when He rose from the dead, as well as spiritual. He was not a ghost or spirit, but a risen man (that God became for us) in an eternal physical/spirit body.
 

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..God will assure that a remnant of Israel does get saved. No one can change that. All enemies will be flicked away like snots.

If there are any Christians in Israel, yes they'll be saved, otherwise they'll be going up the spout along with all other Jesus-rejecters everywhere..:)

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This is not quite true

As paul said in rom 11, the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable..

Israel was scattered in 70 AD. so they could not have been started to be regathered in 33 CE

The Kingdom was taken from Israel and given to a nation producing it's fruits Grateful. Mat 21:43 The new nation was still called Israel, the Israel of God Gal 6:16. Jesus invoked a new covenant with his faithful disciples on Nisan 14, 33CE Luke 22:28,29 which went into force on Pentecost of 33 CE Acts 2:1-4 which was the start of the gathering of the Israel of God, and would end prior to Jesus' return when the remainder of them meet him in the air at his return 1 Thes 4:16,17
 

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The gathering will start after Jesus returns and gathers the saved Jews from all over the world. Try to distinguish 'gathering or gathered' with GOD gathering. When He gathers them it will be crystal clear and other things will also be happening such as God having wiped out all their enemies etc.
That was not pentecost or 1948! Once all Israel is saved in the end they are anything BUT 'fleshly Israel'!

The key is knowing who Israel is Dad.
 

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Wait a minute, jews are Jesus-rejecters aren't they, so why would God want to protect them??
As for Israel's demise, that'll come when the muslim world gets its hands on nukes following Biden giving Iran permission to go ahead.
The clock is ticking-

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There are Covenant promises between God and the bloodline of the Jews ( descendants of the Israelites) that have not been fulfulled. ROMANS 11 explains that and Revelation 7 and 14 describes God choosing specifically 144k male vigins from 12 tribes that only He knows and has preserved through the ages. It is also likely an equal amount of female virgins will be saved as well so that they can repopulate the world.
If we are all resurrected at Jesus coming and He destroys everyone else, who will be left to repopulate the world. Babies are born in the Millennial kingdom - not ours.
Daniel 12:1 also confirms this.
Isaiah 13:8-13, 34:8-11, 66:15; Zeph. 1:18; Ezek. 39:11 speak of the severe judgments coming, extermination of all unbelievers.
Zech. 12:10 did not take place. At Pentecost, they did not look upon Jesus whom they pierced - He was gone. The context of the passage speaks of a time when all nations of the earth come against Jerusalem.
Zech. 14:2-4. 12 describes the effects of a neutron bomb/ nuke when the flesh of people _ while standing _ is dissolved/ burns instantly before they drop.
When Jesus returns, we will be resurrected, but the remnant Jews won't. They will all see him and realize at that time. Their blindness will be lifted and they will mourn but will finally believe.
This is my take, I am comfortable with it. It is debatable though.
 

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Wait a minute, jews are Jesus-rejecters aren't they, so why would God want to protect them??
As for Israel's demise, that'll come when the muslim world gets its hands on nukes following Biden giving Iran permission to go ahead.
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Iran will certainly be in the forefront of a nuclear attack. I believe they already have nukes. They need a half dozen or so. Famine is coming this year and possibly this war too.
 

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..If we are all resurrected at Jesus coming and He destroys everyone else, who will be left to repopulate the world..
When Jesus returns, we will be resurrected, but the remnant Jews won't. They will all see him and realize at that time. Their blindness will be lifted and they will mourn but will finally believe..

1- I thought heaven was a spiritual realm where we all become spirit beings up there, and not on this atoms-and-molecules earth?
"So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable...it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.. flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 15:42-50)

2- Will most jews go to hell, but the remnant jews won't? What's so special about the remnant that makes God want to give them a second chance to shape up?
 

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Iran will certainly be in the forefront of a nuclear attack. I believe they already have nukes. They need a half dozen or so. Famine is coming this year and possibly this war too.

Yes, Muslim Pakistan has had nukes for years, so it's quite possible they've "lost" a few which are now in terrorists hands.
Biden has just taken out a terror leader, which will provoke them into hating us even more.
We better start investing in backyard bunkers..:)-

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Yes of course He is coming as a thief in the night. That does not mean He does not return in body. Not even related.

Why pretend? You must know no one has any clue what you are talking about? What truth? What is you imagine we did not expect?


His body actually was seen rising into heaven BY the church! We were told that is the same manned He will return. Period.

That same Jesus with those scars still visible will return in body to rule this world. We know where He will touch down, and etc etc.

That is foolishness and totally made up. The men were watching Jesus rise into heaven, not some movie or spirit or hologram. In that sane way He will come back down to earth.
Why try to cloak outright made up nonsense with some biblical phrase, as if the foolishness was some great wisdom that was hard to comprehend??

You can't compare ludicous claims that Jesus will not return in body to your lack of understanding about communion!


You have went against God and the word and reason and done so flagrantly. Jesus made it crystal clear He was physical when He rose from the dead, as well as spiritual. He was not a ghost or spirit, but a risen man (that God became for us) in an eternal physical/spirit body.
You are not hearing His voice, but have fallen for and prefer the lie that was foretold causing strong delusion, believing rather what you expect. What I have told you is also according to scripture, but you do not want to hear it. So be it.
 

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If there are any Christians in Israel, yes they'll be saved, otherwise they'll be going up the spout along with all other Jesus-rejecters everywhere..:)
Maybe a good way for you to conceptualize it, is to think of all those left alive in Israel at the end of the tribulation who finally accept Jesus as Christians. All Israel will be Christians! But those particular Christians have promises of a different kind to look forward to. They were promises land on earth there. The Christians who were raptured before this have their promised home in heaven.
 

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The Kingdom was taken from Israel and given to a nation producing it's fruits Grateful. Mat 21:43 The new nation was still called Israel, the Israel of God Gal 6:16. Jesus invoked a new covenant with his faithful disciples on Nisan 14, 33CE Luke 22:28,29 which went into force on Pentecost of 33 CE Acts 2:1-4 which was the start of the gathering of the Israel of God, and would end prior to Jesus' return when the remainder of them meet him in the air at his return 1 Thes 4:16,17
And He is giving it back to then soon as they accept Jesus!