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People speak of a "sin nature", but I can't find that in my Bible.

What I do find is that our flesh has been corrupted by sin, and so until we are born again being baptized into Jesus Christ, we are spiritually dead, and are slaves to sin.

Do we have a "sin nature"? What is it? Where are we taught this in the Bible?

Much love!
 

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People speak of a "sin nature", but I can't find that in my Bible.

What I do find is that our flesh has been corrupted by sin, and so until we are born again being baptized into Jesus Christ, we are spiritually dead, and are slaves to sin.

Do we have a "sin nature"? What is it? Where are we taught this in the Bible?

Much love!

You're right, you won't find the words "sin nature" in the scripture.

What it refers to is Adam and Eve were created in perfection without the knowledge of sin.

They were in the state of what the theologians call "innocence."

When they sinned, they fell from that state of innocence into the state of the knowledge of sin.

A totally different environment, not only was man now living in sin, even the ground is cursed, vegetation is cursed, everything God created is now cursed, and man is facing a spiritual death that leads to a physical death.

That fall caused all who would be born from Adam and Eve to be born with sin, in that fallen state.

That state of being is called by the early theologians "the sin nature."
 
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People speak of a "sin nature", but I can't find that in my Bible.

What I do find is that our flesh has been corrupted by sin, and so until we are born again being baptized into Jesus Christ, we are spiritually dead, and are slaves to sin.

Do we have a "sin nature"? What is it? Where are we taught this in the Bible?

Much love!
Thats the modern invention of the NIV translators.
 
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People speak of a "sin nature", but I can't find that in my Bible.

What I do find is that our flesh has been corrupted by sin, and so until we are born again being baptized into Jesus Christ, we are spiritually dead, and are slaves to sin.

Do we have a "sin nature"? What is it? Where are we taught this in the Bible?

Much love!
We have a 'virus'.....it kills us. Sin is its go to......and even if we never sinned, we would still die just as babies die and animals die and plants die. I guess one could call that being a slave. Self has the ascendency.....and for those who have been given a vision of selflessness, they battle all their lives.......until this corruptible puts on incorruption and this mortal puts on immortality. 1 Corinthians 15:51-54
 

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People speak of a "sin nature", but I can't find that in my Bible.

What I do find is that our flesh has been corrupted by sin, and so until we are born again being baptized into Jesus Christ, we are spiritually dead, and are slaves to sin.

Do we have a "sin nature"? What is it? Where are we taught this in the Bible?

Much love!

Blessings in Christ Jesus marks! Long ago, I used to walk in the darkness, I did not know. When I walked in the darkness, I was a liar, a killer and a thief. I was just following my father's desires, I did not know. When you turn on the tv, what would you see? John chapter 8 talks about this in depth when He was unbraiding the Pharisees. Once it is understood what is in man,(John Chapter 2 last sentence) or what entered man in the garden, it is so much easier to forgive them, as truly, truly, they no not what they do.
 
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People speak of a "sin nature", but I can't find that in my Bible.

What I do find is that our flesh has been corrupted by sin, and so until we are born again being baptized into Jesus Christ, we are spiritually dead, and are slaves to sin.

Do we have a "sin nature"? What is it? Where are we taught this in the Bible?

Much love!


Good point.
 

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People speak of a "sin nature", but I can't find that in my Bible.

What I do find is that our flesh has been corrupted by sin, and so until we are born again being baptized into Jesus Christ, we are spiritually dead, and are slaves to sin.

Do we have a "sin nature"? What is it? Where are we taught this in the Bible?

Much love!
Thats the modern invention of the NIV translators.

I think the NIV translators got this one right. I've said it before, but I think it's unfortunate that Paul used the term "sarx" (literally, "flesh") as metonymy for the human Sin Nature, as though the problem were literally in our skin and not in our (metaphorical) hearts.

Christ showed that it was possible to have literal human flesh without a Sin Nature.
 
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You're right, you won't find the words "sin nature" in the scripture.

What it refers to is Adam and Eve were created in perfection without the knowledge of sin.

They were in the state of what the theologians call "innocence."

When they sinned, they fell from that state of innocence into the state of the knowledge of sin.

A totally different environment, not only was man now living in sin, even the ground is cursed, vegetation is cursed, everything God created is now cursed, and man is facing a spiritual death that leads to a physical death.

That fall caused all who would be born from Adam and Eve to be born with sin, in that fallen state.

That state of being is called by the early theologians "the sin nature."

Lot of theologians also suggest that state of Adam and Eve before they sinned is what God is going to return us to, which is nowhere written in His Word. So Adam and Eve in the flesh really is not a good example of the problem, because just the fact that Eve's flesh is what was tempted, reveals a potential error in the flesh to begin with.

And this is actually what Apostle Paul is showing in Romans 7, if one will take the time to actually read it as written. Paul showed there is two sets of laws in operation within us, one for the inward man (i.e, our spirit) which desires to follow God's law, and the other law being of sin that is in our fleshy members. By that Paul defined much of our sin in this world is caused by our flesh lusts and desires.

But many of the later New Testament revisions try to leave this point, because one of the doctrines of antichrist is that our flesh can be made perfect, which is a lie and was the first temptation in God's Garden by the devil (you can be your own God).
 
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People speak of a "sin nature", but I can't find that in my Bible.

What I do find is that our flesh has been corrupted by sin, and so until we are born again being baptized into Jesus Christ, we are spiritually dead, and are slaves to sin.

Do we have a "sin nature"? What is it? Where are we taught this in the Bible?

Much love!

Basically people have created a term to apply to our inherited sin Marks it looks like. Rom 5:12 shows how we came to have inherited sin.
 

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People speak of a "sin nature", but I can't find that in my Bible.

What I do find is that our flesh has been corrupted by sin, and so until we are born again being baptized into Jesus Christ, we are spiritually dead, and are slaves to sin.

Do we have a "sin nature"? What is it? Where are we taught this in the Bible?

Much love!
The fundamental sin nature, that propensity to live in corrupt desires of the flesh, is discussed here:

"5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh" Romans 8:5

I agree that the NIV's phrase 'sin nature' and the way Christians have used it is misleading. The problem of a 'sin nature' is really a mind and soul thing rather than a flesh thing. When one is born again that mindset gets replaced with the mindset of the Spirit, and all that remains is the flesh and it's desires.
 

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but I think it's unfortunate that Paul used the term "sarx" (literally, "flesh") as metonymy for the human Sin Nature, as though the problem were literally in our skin and not in our (metaphorical) hearts.

Christ showed that it was possible to have literal human flesh without a Sin Nature.
Yes, the problem is the mind controlled by the flesh and not so much the flesh itself. When we are born again the sin nature, for what actually constitutes man's sin nature, is dealt with in the inner man not the outer man of the flesh.
 

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What does that really mean? Can you flesh that out a bit? (Pun intended.)
(Love the puns, lol! The cornier, the better!)

I can. For starters, eating food, a purely outward and fleshly thing, is not sin. Eating someone else's food is. The mind behind the scene being the problem, not the natural appetite of the flesh. The mind of natural man corrupts the natural desires of the flesh. In Christ we get a new mindset. The matter of a 'sin nature' - the natural propensity to live in the sins of the flesh - gets addressed in the inner man, not in the flesh.
 
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The fundamental sin nature, that propensity to live in corrupt desires of the flesh, is discussed here:

"5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh" Romans 8:5

I agree that the NIV's phrase 'sin nature' and the way Christians have used it is misleading. The problem of a 'sin nature' is really a mind and soul thing rather than a flesh thing. When one is born again that mindset gets replaced with the mindset of the Spirit, and all that remains is the flesh and it's desires.

The NIV mistranslated the Greek word for 'flesh' into "sinful nature". That is where the idea of a 'sin nature' comes from, a mere translation.

Because the actual Greek word (sarx) means 'flesh', that gets back to the reality of what Apostle Paul was actually teaching in Scripture like Romans 7.

Rom 7:18-25
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
KJV
 
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Do we have a "sin nature"? What is it? Where are we taught this in the
Bible?

The so-called sinful nature (a.k.a. the fallen nature) got its start when Adam
tasted a forbidden fruit.

Gen 3:6-11 . . So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food,
that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she
took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were
naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

. . . And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the
cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of
the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

. . .Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him: Where are you? So
he said: I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was
naked; and I hid myself.

. . . And He said: Who told you that you were naked?

That was a really important milestone in the human experience. Of a sudden
their conscience lost its close association with God's influence and went off
on its own.

Gen 3:22 . .Then the Lord God said: Behold, the man has become like one
of us, to know good and evil.

In other words; humans broke out of the corral and became feral, so to
speak, like wild mustangs, i.e. they became their own spiritual counselors;
which is contrary to our maker's preferences.

Ps 32:8-9 . . I will guide you along the best pathway for your life. I will
advise you and watch over you. Do not be like a senseless horse or mule
that needs a bit and bridle to keep it under control.
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The so-called sinful nature (a.k.a. the fallen nature) got its start when Adam
tasted a forbidden fruit.

Gen 3:6-11 . . So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food,
that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she
took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.
Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were
naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.

. . . And they heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the
cool of the day, and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of
the Lord God among the trees of the garden.

. . .Then the Lord God called to Adam and said to him: Where are you? So
he said: I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was
naked; and I hid myself.

. . . And He said: Who told you that you were naked?

That was a really important milestone in the human experience. Of a sudden
their conscience lost its close association with God's influence and went off
on its own.

Gen 3:22 . .Then the Lord God said: Behold, the man has become like one
of us, to know good and evil.

In other words; humans broke out of the corral and became feral, so to
speak, like wild mustangs, i.e. they became their own spiritual counselors;
which is contrary to our maker's preferences.

Ps 32:8-9 . . I will guide you along the best pathway for your life. I will
advise you and watch over you. Do not be like a senseless horse or mule
that needs a bit and bridle to keep it under control.
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Actually it was Adam and Eve. Both ate the forbidden fruit, although Eve was first. The Bible is written from a male perspective but both sinned.
 

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Lot of theologians also suggest that state of Adam and Eve before they sinned is what God is going to return us to, which is nowhere written in His Word. So Adam and Eve in the flesh really is not a good example of the problem, because just the fact that Eve's flesh is what was tempted, reveals a potential error in the flesh to begin with.

And this is actually what Apostle Paul is showing in Romans 7, if one will take the time to actually read it as written. Paul showed there is two sets of laws in operation within us, one for the inward man (i.e, our spirit) which desires to follow God's law, and the other law being of sin that is in our fleshy members. By that Paul defined much of our sin in this world is caused by our flesh lusts and desires.

But many of the later New Testament revisions try to leave this point, because one of the doctrines of antichrist is that our flesh can be made perfect, which is a lie and was the first temptation in God's Garden by the devil (you can be your own God).

God created man to live in the flesh forever. When God's plan comes full circle we are right back at man living in the flesh through the resurrection.

Yes, Paul discusses our sin nature for sure in Rom. 6-8. When Paul said in Rom. 6:14, "for sin shall not have dominion over you..." he is speaking of the sin nature. In Rom. 7:9 when Paul mentions "...sin revived..." that is the sin nature beginning to take over.

I certainly agree that many of the translations have made an effort omit the presence of the sin nature. I was taught with the KJV from a child, it's not perfect, but I stick with it knowing these attempts to make changes is not present. Of course, I've just started another argument, lol.
 

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I think the NIV translators got this one right. I've said it before, but I think it's unfortunate that Paul used the term "sarx" (literally, "flesh") as metonymy for the human Sin Nature, as though the problem were literally in our skin and not in our (metaphorical) hearts.

Christ showed that it was possible to have literal human flesh without a Sin Nature.
His flesh was not corrupted by sin, ours is. Paul used both sarx (flesh) and soma (body) in speaking of the source of sin, and where sin resides.

I actually think that saying "sin nature" is fine, if one is clear about what they mean. I think this would mean the nature of our physical beings, our flesh, our bodies.

We already know that physical damage to the brain produces extreme changes in a person's cognition and perceptions, emotional processing, all sorts of things. People can have compulsions hard wired into them.

I don't have any issue with the idea that our physical bodies were affected by sin. My brain was affected by what happened in my childhood, and why not Adam's brain, and his children's brains, likewise negatively impacted by sin? Or going beyond the brain, I'm told that we have actually the greater number of neurons in our bodies are in our gut, not our brain, and what about that? Yeast overpopulation in the gut can cause anxiety or other mood disorders. The list of things like this is long!

Why not sin having a negative physical impact on our flesh?

And that IS the way Paul wrote, in many places.

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If one allows theirself to get wrapped up in terms like "sinful nature" which the Liberal NIV translators used for the Greek word that actually means 'flesh' (sarx), then one will have a difficult time understanding about the idea of sin, and how sin began. And I'm not talking about Adam and Eve either.

Apostle John said that the devil sinned from the beginning (1 John 3:8). John was pointing to the time 'of old' when Satan first rebelled in coveting GOD's throne. That happened in a previous world earth age that God ended prior to bringing this second one with Adam and Eve. So sin entered in first by Satan's acts, for in the parable of Ezekiel 28, God showed that He originally created Satan good, and that Satan was originally perfect in his ways with following God, until Satan rebelled (see also Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 31).

Apostle John also defined sin. He said sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). For Satan to have been the first one to sin, it means God's law was established even back in that previous world earth age when Satan was perfect and followed God.

Understanding that old world then, and why God ended that old world because of Satan's overthrow, then one is ready to put God's creation of today beginning at Genesis 1:2 into perspective, including His creating Adam in the flesh, and the imperfection of flesh with its lusts and wants affecting Eve to cave into sin when tempted by Satan ("that old serpent") in God's Garden of Eden.

Our flesh, which God created for this present world time, and is to be destroyed, is never meant to be perfect. Nor can it ever be made perfect. It is a body of corruption, doomed to destruction back to the elements where it came from, either at flesh death, or at the change on the "last trump" (1 Corinthians 15:50-54).

So just who... are those who try to make us believe that flesh can ever... become perfect? The Occultists, because that is the very idea they teach. Even with the eastern religion of Buddhism, they believe that once you get everything right in your living in this world, you will then have no need to be reborn, and are loosed from the supposed 'wheel of Karma', and become perfect, having achieved Nirvana. Those occult ideas are actually the same old temptation that Satan did upon Eve in God's Garden, the idea of one born in the flesh becoming their own god.

Few understand what their theory of evolution is actually about involving this matter. Darwinism is actually allied with the Occultists. The occultists centuries ago (long before Darwin), proposed that life evolved from water, and then evolved to mineral and plant life, and then to animal life, and then to a man. But the occultists don't stop there. Their final theory of evolution is from a flesh man to a... god! And that is actually where the idea that our flesh can be made perfect originates. It's not from The Bible, because God's Word shows that our flesh is going to be destroyed along with this 2nd world earth age (1 Corinthians 6:13).

In the future world to come, our flesh will be cast off, not needed any more. This is the change that Apostle Paul was talking about in 1 Corinthians 15. We instead will put on the "spiritual body", which is the body type of the world to come.
 
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The fundamental sin nature, that propensity to live in corrupt desires of the flesh, is discussed here:

"5Those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh" Romans 8:5

I agree that the NIV's phrase 'sin nature' and the way Christians have used it is misleading. The problem of a 'sin nature' is really a mind and soul thing rather than a flesh thing. When one is born again that mindset gets replaced with the mindset of the Spirit, and all that remains is the flesh and it's desires.

I agree! The battlefield for the Christian is in the mind. The sin nature plays on the mind.
 
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