An idea for your consideration.

2ndRateMind · Aug 9, 2022

marks said:
Why are the elite buying shoreline properties in great number? Why do the elite live lifestyles that ignore "carbon footprints"? Why haven't the predictions of rising sea levels happened?

And why doesn't anyone acknowledge and reconcile the fact that the earth has gone through significant temperature changes in the last couple of thousand years including a cold spell when the Thames froze, warm years when Greenland (ever wonder the reason for that name?) was verdant farmland. 40, 50 years ago, we were in danger of a coming Ice Age. Now we're in a "Global Warming".

The elite aren't buying it. Follow the money. It's a matter of enrichment and control. Do you know how much money these guys are making on this stuff? It's made Al Gore an extremely rich man, not to mention a whole lot of others.

And why is it a "Western" issue? China is the most aggregious offender of all, but that's all OK with everyone, No, make the West, and in particular the USA back to third world while China does as it pleases and surges ahead.

Hold back the USA and allow China to progress. This seems like a common agenda these days.

It's not science, and I'm not buying it either. Take your money, and take your ability to do anything about it. That's the agenda these days. The elite want to rule, and they've made a deal with the devil to do it.

Much love!

I am not too worried about the elites of this world. They have a proven capacity to look after themselves. and move from property to property as necessary. It is the poor of say, coastal Bangladesh, or the Pacific island states that arouse my concern.

Best wishes, 2rm

marks · Aug 9, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
I am not too worried about the elites of this world. They have a proven capacity to look after themselves. and move from property to property as necessary. It is the poor that arouse my concern.

Best wishes, 2rm

That's not the point. The purveyors of this fraud show by their actions they don't believe it themselves. And the poor, Jesus told us, you will always have the poor with you. "Global Warming" agenda harms the poor by raising costs, and limiting suppy. You don't think Zuckerberg cares how much the gas in his car costs, do you? It doesn't matter to him. It matters to the rest of us. Do the elites care if a steak is $5 or $75? That's nothing to them.

Have you ever seen the movie "In Time"? It's like that. Control the masses by raising the cost of living to impoverish everyone, meanwhile, the elite are not impoverished, and remain in control.

Much love!

Nancy · Aug 9, 2022

Dropship said:
Wait a minute, how exactly would a thinned-out population benefit the globalists?
I mean, there'd be fewer people for them to get taxes from, and businesses would suffer because of a lack of customers..

Actually, what I see ahead is only rich and slaves/servants...nothing to back that up but, it is just what keeps coming to me.

Philip James · Aug 9, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
So, we face climate change. Doubtless the wealthy west will survive. But the poor in Africa, Latin America, and southern Asia face some tough times ahead. Given this situation what is the appropriately ethical response? I have some ideas, but before I launch into them, I want to open up the forum to your thoughts.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Climate is always changing ot always has. The idea of co2 induced global warming is junk science.

The ethical thing to do?

Get down on our knees and beg our Father's forgiveness for the slaughter of innocents perpetrated by our governments..

Pax et Bonum

Philip James · Aug 9, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
Hi Pearl,

The difference between what happened before and what is happening now, is that the scientists tell us this bout of climate change is that the wealthy has caused/is causing it. It is very much our fault, which is what makes it a moral issue.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Hmm.. Fear fear fear! How else can one promote an antihuman agenda?

Pax et Bonum

Philip James · Aug 9, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
I have to say, I am disappointed in you all thus far. You all may not like to admit it, but the fact is, the science is in and inescapable.

Indeed it is inescapable that a colder atmosphere cannot heat a warmer surface.. 2LoT and all that..

Pax et Bonum

2ndRateMind · Aug 9, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
I am not too worried about the elites of this world. They have a proven capacity to look after themselves. and move from property to property as necessary. It is the poor that arouse my concern.

Best wishes, 2rm

marks said:
That's not the point. The purveyors of this fraud show by their actions they don't believe it themselves. And the poor, Jesus told us, you will always have the poor with you.
Much love!

Read the context! Jesus was talking to a specific audience (His disciples) at a specific time time and place. And He was quite right; His disciples always would have the poor with them. But for the first time in history, we have the resources to end that. If we choose to do so.

Best wishes, 2RM.

2ndRateMind · Aug 9, 2022

Philip James said:
Indeed it is inescapable that a colder atmosphere cannot heat a warmer surface.. 2LoT and all that..

Pax et Bonum

The domestic fridge is an impossibility, then?

Best wishes, 2RM.

marks · Aug 9, 2022

Flawed Data.

2022 Surface Station Report

The 2009 report surveyed and photographed more than 850 USHCN stations, providing an analysis of their
temperature data. The peer-reviewed paper was published and distributed to thousands of lawmakers, scholars,
and scientists. Some of the most important findings in the original report are listed below:

• Many climate monitoring stations were located next to exhaust fans of air conditioning units, surrounded
by asphalt parking lots and roads, located on blistering-hot rooftops, or placed near sidewalks and
buildings that absorb and radiate heat.
https://www.heartland.org/_template...f#(2022) Surface Station Report v1.indd:25376
• Sixty-eight stations were located at waste-water treatment plants (WWTP), where the process of waste
digestion creates higher temperatures than in surrounding areas. In addition, the infrastructure of
WWTPs is almost entirely asphalt and concrete, making them unrepresentative of the surrounding area
and unsuitable for thermometer placement to measure long-term changes in temperature.

• Approximately 90 percent of the USHCN stations failed to meet the NWS’s own siting requirements,
which stipulate that stations must be 30 meters (100 feet) or more away from an artificial or radiating /
reflecting heat source. A rating system based on official NOAA documents was employed to assess each
station. See Figure 3.

Philip James · Aug 9, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
The domestic fridge is an impossibility, then?

Best wishes, 2RM.

Haha the fridge drives home the point! Work must be done to compensate. The result of which always leads to greater entropy

The Earth has been coolinh for 4 billion years, despite constant solar input, it MUST continue to do so until it is a cold dead rock like Mercury or the Moon (although the Moon is still cooling, just very slowly..)

Pax et Bonum

marks · Aug 9, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
But for the first time in history, we have the resources to end that. If we choose to do so.

Wasting our resources on the fraud of "Global Warming" would work directly against the poor. The so-called "Green Agenda" destroyed Sri Lanka just recently. How well are the poor there making out? The entire nation was reduced to poverty as the elite skipped out with their carloads of cash, and left the country in ruins. California's "Green Agenda" almost burnt down the state. Austrailia managed the same thing.

The "Green Agenda", in it's "fight against global warming", drives energy production out of business, limitting the supply, and pushing up costs. The Elite don't care what the kilowatt cost is, it's pennies out of their millions and billions. Nothing!

Sri Lanka, the nation ground to a halt because there was no gasoline for anyone to get to work. No gasoline because the government was pushing to stop oil production and use.

Let's put it this way. The United States gives more money by far than any other nation to help poor people, to provide things they need, to improve their conditions. In the name of "Global Warming" our communist regime is warring against oil and coal and natural gas, just like in Sri Lanka. Do you expect a different outcome? Just look at what is happening.

And when the USA is impoverished by the communists (which is what ALWAYS happens), who is going to be the benefactor? Not the communists. They help those who help them, and subjugate the rest.

Power, George Orwell got it right, when you think of people taking power for the sake of having power, that power ultimately is only felt in causing the suffering of others. Because it's a deep corruption of the heart of man. Very deep! A booted foot standing on a man's face forever. The communist's dream! And "Global Warming" is simply one of the lies used to bring about that agenda.

The earth is warmed by it's core, and secondly by the sun. For mankind to assert that we change are climate is hubris. We are such a tiny tiny part of what is going on with this planet.

Have you heard the comparisons to give you an idea of the scale of things? If you made the earth the size of a billiard ball, it would be so smooth as to have a mirror finish by comparison.

The ocean, that moderates carbon levels, temperatures, and such, is an enormous amount of water, what we do barely scratches the surface.

The data is flawed, the predictions are wrong, it's not science.

Much love!

2ndRateMind · Aug 9, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
Read the context! Jesus was talking to a specific audience (His disciples) at a specific time time and place. And He was quite right; His disciples always would have the poor with them. But for the first time in history, we have the resources to end that. If we choose to do so.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Philip James said:
Climate is always changing ot always has. The idea of co2 induced global warming is junk science.

The ethical thing to do?

Get down on our knees and beg our Father's forgiveness for the slaughter of innocents perpetrated by our governments..

Pax et Bonum

I'm not against praying for forgiveness. But to dismiss climate change as junk science shows an extraordinary degree of ignoranace. I think you may have been watching too much Fox News.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Philip James · Aug 9, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
I'm not against praying for forgiveness. But to dismiss climate change as junk science shows an extraordinary degree of ignoranace. I think you may have been watching too much Fox News.

Best wishes, 2RM.

The ignorance is yours.

I have studied this, and no physicist worth his alphabet soup would put his name to man induced 'climate change'.

Consider,

If one takes a parcel of air at temp T it will radiate according to its temp and the emissivity of the molecules in that sample.
If we replace o2 molecules with co2 and h20 we increase the emissivity of that parcel of air, increasing the amount it radiates at any temp T thus increasing the rate of cooling for that parcel of air..

Pax et Bonum

Philip James · Aug 9, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
But to dismiss climate change as junk science

Oh and easy to dismiss. H20 is the Earths primary coolant, not something that heats it..

Pax

Enoch111 · Aug 9, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
I'm not against praying for forgiveness. But to dismiss climate change as junk science shows an extraordinary degree of ignorance.

Quite the opposite. The "Climate Change" agenda is a manufactured crisis with no basis in science. If the globalist elites were truly concerned, they would stop jetting around the world talking nonsense while increasing their carbon footprint at the same time. The real agenda is to destroy societies and humanity while pretending to protect "Mother Earth". THE HYPOCRISY IS ASTOUNDING and people like you swallow this nonsense hook-line-and sinker.

2ndRateMind · Aug 9, 2022

Well given the semi-politised nature of the discussion thus far, I have decided not to offer my idea for your consideration. If you can't even recognise the threat of Climate Change, there would seem to be no point. I shall be dead soon, but some of you, I hope, will live a good deal longer than me. and we shall then know who was right.

Best wishes, 2RM.

quietthinker · Aug 9, 2022

The long and the short of it is, the nations are stressed....for whatever reason real or fabricated......and I think it'll continue to ratchet up until a so called solution is somehow agreed on.......even a 'solution' which will incriminate God's people .....and down the track, even call for their removal. Whatdya think? Sound bizarre?

Consider this, how else would Satan gain control of the Planet?.....it is God's people globally which are his thorn in the flesh so to speak. It is God's people who oppose his rule/domination. Getting rid of the opposition is not an unfamiliar principle....we all know that!

Engineering a 'solution' (through those pulling the strings....even surprising most as to who that might be) to initially blame and then finally to rid the planet of, will give him unhindered control.

bluedragon · Aug 9, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
Hi Pearl,

The difference between what happened before and what is happening now, is that the scientists tell us this bout of climate change is that the wealthy has caused/is causing it. It is very much our fault, which is what makes it a moral issue.

Best wishes, 2RM.

In the mind of Fauci and other Scientists, I wonder when they sold science for prostitution.

Climate cult belief is controlled in the mindset of a Pimp. Control of the narrative and control of thought complicated by control of the message.

Until the so called scientists actually act like scientists, they have become nothing more than prostitutes, conducting science fiction for money.

Every scientist uses one source for data. The NOAA. The NOAA had computers crash with no backup and created three years of data from thin air. The NOAA recently admitted that 96% of their data is corrupted. Paris controls every document and every publication by using five select scientists as the entire "Peer Review." In most circles that's called fraud. And the messengers are passengers on Epstein's Lolita Express ...

Carl Emerson · Aug 10, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
Well given the semi-politised nature of the discussion thus far, I have decided not to offer my idea for your consideration. If you can't even recognise the threat of Climate Change, there would seem to be no point. I shall be dead soon, but some of you, I hope, will live a good deal longer than me. and we shall then know who was right.

Best wishes, 2RM.

Did you chek out Chris Elisara???

Dropship · Aug 10, 2022

2ndRateMind said:
It is the poor of say, coastal Bangladesh, or the Pacific island states that arouse my concern..

One solution might be to build their homes on stilts as a precaution against rising sea levels and occasional surges and tsunamis-

Below- I live in Plymouth only 50 yards from the Atlantic but at least I'm up on the 3rd floor of an apartment block (yellow circle) so hopefully my feet will stay dry..

An idea for your consideration.

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