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We need to simply do what He says, and stop rationalizing our way around His simple commands.

'This is My Body, take and eat'

Hello Lizbeth,

Yes it really is this simple:

I Am. I love you. Come and be united with ME.

You too ! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum
 
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Infant Baptism is biblical!

Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Promise is to you’re children! Vs 39

This promise made in ez 36
A promise from God is a sacred oath, and a sacred oath is a sacrament!

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Acts 16:15 entire household baptized! Does not say except infants!

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness.

(It does not say accept infants!)

Baptism is the Christian initiation sacrament of the new covenant for all men. Matt 28:19 Jn 1:29 Jn 3:16

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. (It does not say except infants!) (but it does say “all”)!

Lk 1:10-11 all people including infants

Thee faith is required for baptism.
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

If it’s not possible (as in the case of infants) it’s not required.

But the promise of the parents to raise and educate the child in the faith is required, then the child is confirmed in thee faith at the age of reason.

Repentance is required for baptism. Acts 2:38

If there is no personal sin to repent of (as in the case of infants) then it’s not required.

For two thousand years the church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles has always baptized infants!
 

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All I am saying is the children promised the baptism of the Holy Ghost per Acts 2:39 is about the descendants of the Jews, not the newborn Jewish infants.
And the Idiocy continues . . .

Soooooo, Baptism is ONLY for the Jews??
That’s new one. I think I’ll call this new heresy of yours, “Idiocracy”.

Pay attention,
Einstein - Jesus said:
Matt. 28:19-20
Go therefore and
MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”


Baptize ALL NATIONS.
This means that the promise spoken of in Acts 2:39 is for ALL children – not just Jewish children, Einstein.
 
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Infants aren't descendents?

Do you realltv think our Father wants us to leave our children in darkness?

Or is it not, rather, that He will indeed answer the prayers of His people and grant the Light of Christ to our children?

Pax et Bonum
He stopped at “children”.
Had he kept on reading – he would have seen that Peter actually said:

Acts 2:38-39
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and for your children and for ALL who are far off, EVERYONE whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”

This
is what happens when you don’t pay attention . . .
 

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If it’s not possible then it’s not required
baptism is necessary
Repentance is conditional

3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
 

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Another epic FAIL.

YOU falsely claimed that “ALL of the Apostles" validated Sola Scriptura.
I asked you for a SINGLE verse – and you collapsed like a house of cards.

Don’t make claims you CAN’T back up.
Don’t you ever get tiref of being publicly exposed for lying?

Rev. 21:8

"But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and ALL LIARS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets...

Yep, the 12 Apostles.

Not the 12 early church "fathers" or the 12 early church "popes' or the 12 early church "cardinals".
 

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Lol…sure, if you say so. And you are still bloviating.

Are you going to prove to me that the early church had a list of books that they considered Scripture or are you going to continue to dodge and bloviat?

Patient Mary
The Apostles were still among them developing the 27 books we now use.

You didn't know that?
 

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Infants aren't descendents?

Do you realltv think our Father wants us to leave our children in darkness?

Or is it not, rather, that He will indeed answer the prayers of His people and grant the Light of Christ to our children?

Pax et Bonum
You believe it actually says this?...

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your INFANT children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
 

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And the Idiocy continues . . .

Soooooo, Baptism is ONLY for the Jews??
That’s new one. I think I’ll call this new heresy of yours, “Idiocracy”.

Pay attention,
Einstein - Jesus said:
Matt. 28:19-20
Go therefore and
MAKE DISCIPLES OF ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”


Baptize ALL NATIONS.
This means that the promise spoken of in Acts 2:39 is for ALL children – not just Jewish children, Einstein.
Another one the RCC teaches...

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all INFANTS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.


LOL
 

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3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?

5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

that only applies to adults who have need of repentance

so you want these kids to live years without Christ and you desire them to sin greatly so they have something to repent of, not Christian charity in my view!
 
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'This is My Body, take and eat'

Hello Lizbeth,

Yes it really is this simple:

I Am. I love you. Come and be united with ME.

You too ! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum
'This is My Body, take and eat'

Hello Lizbeth,

Yes it really is this simple:

I Am. I love you. Come and be united with ME.

You too ! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum

Only the saved are able to attend the wedding feast. Sadly not those who reject Jesus and are still in their sins.

Catholicism has faith/trust in church and sacraments INSTEAD OF IN CHRIST. It preaches church and sacraments INSTEAD OF CHRIST. It seeks to make converts to church and sacraments INSTEAD OF TO CHRIST. It places church and sacraments ahead of Christ Jesus. It's IDOLATRY so no I will not participate in that. No man can serve two masters...the way that seemeth right to man leads to death.
 

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Only the saved are able to attend the wedding feast. Sadly not those who reject Jesus and are still in their sins.

Catholicism has faith/trust in church and sacraments INSTEAD OF IN CHRIST. It preaches church and sacraments INSTEAD OF CHRIST. It seeks to make converts to church and sacraments INSTEAD OF TO CHRIST. It places church and sacraments ahead of Christ Jesus. It's IDOLATRY so no I will not participate in that. No man can serve two masters...the way that seemeth right to man leads to death.

christ founded the church and instituted the sacraments so He could remain with us! Matt 28:19-20
 

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Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
 

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They didn't have priests in the NTC.

Priests yes

1 Timothy 4:14
Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

Presbyter is priest

Christ is high priest so there must be low priests of the same order

Matt. 16:18; 18:18 – Jesus uses the word “ecclesia” only twice in the New Testament Scriptures, which demonstrates that Jesus intended a visible, unified, hierarchical, and authoritative Church.

Acts 20:17,28 – Paul refers to both the elders or priests (“presbyteroi”) and the bishops (“episkopoi”) of the Church. Both are ordained leaders within the hierarchical structure of the Church. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".

1 Cor. 12:28 – God Himself appoints the various positions of authority within the Church. As a loving Father, God gives His children the freedom and authority to act with charity and justice to bring about His work of salvation.

Eph. 4:11 – the Church is hierarchical and includes apostles, prophets, pastors, and teachers, all charged to build up the Church. The Church is not an invisible entity with an invisible foundation. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".

Phil. 1:1 – Paul addresses the bishops and deacons of the Church. They can all trace their unbroken lineage back to the apostles.

1 Tim. 3:1; Titus 1:7 – Christ’s Church has bishops (“episkopoi”) who are direct successors of the apostles. The bishops can trace the authority conferred upon them back to the apostles. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".

1 Tim. 5:17; Titus 1:5; James 5:14 – Christ’s Church also has elders or priests (“presbyteroi”) who serve the bishops. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".

1 Tim. 3:8 – Christ’s Church also has deacons (“diakonoi”). Thus, Jesus Christ’s Church has a hierarchy of authority – bishops, priests and deacons, who can all trace their lineage back to Peter and the apostles. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".

Exodus 28:1 and 19:6 – shows the three offices of the Old Testament priesthood
(1). high priest – Aaron (Ex. 28:1);
(2). Ministerial priests – Aaron’s sons (Ex. 19:6; 28:1); and
(3). Universal priests – Israel (Ex. 19:6).
The New Testament priesthood also has three offices:
(1) High Priest – Jesus Christ (Heb. 3:1);
(2) Ministerial priests – the ordained bishops and priests (Rom. 15:16; 1 Tim. 3:1,8; 5:17; Titus 1:7); and
(3) Universal priests – all the baptized (1 Pet. 2:5,9; Rev. 1:6).
 

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Only the saved are able to attend the wedding feast. Sadly not those who reject Jesus and are still in their sins.

Catholicism has faith/trust in church and sacraments INSTEAD OF IN CHRIST. It preaches church and sacraments INSTEAD OF CHRIST. It seeks to make converts to church and sacraments INSTEAD OF TO CHRIST. It places church and sacraments ahead of Christ Jesus. It's IDOLATRY so no I will not participate in that. No man can serve two masters...the way that seemeth right to man leads to death.
Who taught you these lies? You don't see you are denying the incarnation principle which sacramentalism is based!

The Incarnation, which made the redemption of mankind possible, “glorified” matter and raised it to previously unknown heights. God took on human flesh! All created matter was “good” in God’s opinion (Gen 1:25). Ritual and “physicality” were not abolished by the coming of Christ.

The sacramental principle flows from the Incarnation itself. If matter had nothing to do with grace, then God wouldn't have had to become man. Matter conveys grace often in Scripture: baptism confers regeneration (Acts 2:38, 22:16, 1 Pet 3:21), Paul’s “handkerchiefs” healed the sick (Acts 19:11-12), as did even Peter’s shadow – which also cast out demons (Acts 5:15-16), and of course, Jesus’ garment (Mt 9:20-22) and saliva mixed with dirt (Jn 9:5 ff., Mk 8:22-25), as well as water from the pool of Siloam (Jn 9:7).

Anointing with oil for healing is encouraged (Jas 5:14). The laying on of hands initiates and brings about ordination and commissioning (Acts 6:6), facilitates the outpouring of the Holy Spirit (Acts 13:3), and causes healing (Acts 9:17-18).

Catholics believe that Jesus instituted all the sacraments. For example:

Baptism: “Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit” (Mt 28:19). Your claim that this is "INSTEAD OF CHRIST" is stupid and absurd.

Eucharist: “Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke
it, and gave it to them, saying, „This is my body, which will be given for you; do this in memory of me‟ “ (Lk 22:19).
Your claim that this is "INSTEAD OF CHRIST" is stupid and absurd.

Penance and Reconciliation: “. . . whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven [penance], and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven‟ [absolution, reconciliation]‟ “ (Mt 18:18; cf. Mt 16:19, Jn 20:23).

Catechism of the Catholic Church: 6, 698, 738-740, 774, 798, 815, 947, 950, 1076, 1084, 1088, 1114-1115, 1118, 1121-1134, 1150, 1210, 1420, 1533-1535, 2003, 2030
Your claim that this is "INSTEAD OF CHRIST" is stupid and absurd.

I submit you are lost in some weird cult that isn't even Protestant! That's why you don't cite sources for so many lies, out of fear of being exposed! I suspect you deny the doctrine of the Trinity as well.

“The First Commandment requires us to nourish and protect our faith with prudence and vigilance, and to reject everything that is opposed to it. There are various ways of sinning against the Faith: Voluntary doubt about the Faith disregards or refuses to hold as true what God has revealed and the Church proposes for belief. Involuntary doubt refers to hesitation in believing, difficulty in overcoming objections connected with the Faith, or also anxiety aroused by its obscurity. If deliberately cultivated, doubt can lead to spiritual blindness.” — Catechism of the Catholic Church, par. 2088
 
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Priests yes

1 Timothy 4:14
Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.

Presbyter is priest
Christ is high priest so there must be low priests of the same order

Matt. 16:18; 18:18 – Jesus uses the word “ecclesia” only twice in the New Testament Scriptures, which demonstrates that Jesus intended a visible, unified, hierarchical, and authoritative Church.

Acts 20:17,28 – Paul refers to both the elders or priests (“presbyteroi”) and the bishops (“episkopoi”) of the Church. Both are ordained leaders within the hierarchical structure of the Church. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".

1 Cor. 12:28 – God Himself appoints the various positions of authority within the Church. As a loving Father, God gives His children the freedom and authority to act with charity and justice to bring about His work of salvation.

Eph. 4:11 – the Church is hierarchical and includes apostles, prophets, pastors, and teachers, all charged to build up the Church. The Church is not an invisible entity with an invisible foundation. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".

Phil. 1:1 – Paul addresses the bishops and deacons of the Church. They can all trace their unbroken lineage back to the apostles.

1 Tim. 3:1; Titus 1:7 – Christ’s Church has bishops (“episkopoi”) who are direct successors of the apostles. The bishops can trace the authority conferred upon them back to the apostles. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".

1 Tim. 5:17; Titus 1:5; James 5:14 – Christ’s Church also has elders or priests (“presbyteroi”) who serve the bishops. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".

1 Tim. 3:8 – Christ’s Church also has deacons (“diakonoi”). Thus, Jesus Christ’s Church has a hierarchy of authority – bishops, priests and deacons, who can all trace their lineage back to Peter and the apostles. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".

Exodus 28:1 and 19:6 – shows the three offices of the Old Testament priesthood
(1). high priest – Aaron (Ex. 28:1);
(2). Ministerial priests – Aaron’s sons (Ex. 19:6; 28:1); and
(3). Universal priests – Israel (Ex. 19:6).
The New Testament priesthood also has three offices:
(1) High Priest – Jesus Christ (Heb. 3:1);
(2) Ministerial priests – the ordained bishops and priests (Rom. 15:16; 1 Tim. 3:1,8; 5:17; Titus 1:7); and
(3) Universal priests – all the baptized (1 Pet. 2:5,9; Rev. 1:6).

Presbytery are not priests. They are Elders.

Christ is high priest so there must be low priests of the same order RUBBISH.

Matt. 16:18; 18:18 – Jesus uses the word “ecclesia” only twice in the New Testament Scriptures, which demonstrates that Jesus intended a visible, unified, hierarchical, and authoritative Church. RUBBISH.

It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived". I never said the words "artificially contrived" That is your invention.

Acts 20:17,28 – Paul refers to both the elders or priests (“presbyteroi”). NO HE DIDN'T.

Phil. 1:1 – Paul addresses the bishops and deacons of the Church. They can all trace their unbroken lineage back to the apostles. NO HE DIDN'T. TO ALL THE SAINTS IN CHRIST JESUS, TOGETHER WITH THEIR PRESIDING ELDERS AND DEACONS.

No doubt you have the ability to put a spin on things that are not there to enable you to invent your own meaning and make it say what it does not say. I do not know why you do it as no one believes a word you say.
 

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Presbytery are not priests. They are Elders.

Christ is high priest so there must be low priests of the same order RUBBISH.

Matt. 16:18; 18:18 – Jesus uses the word “ecclesia” only twice in the New Testament Scriptures, which demonstrates that Jesus intended a visible, unified, hierarchical, and authoritative Church. RUBBISH.

It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived". I never said the words "artificially contrived" That is your invention.

Acts 20:17,28 – Paul refers to both the elders or priests (“presbyteroi”). NO HE DIDN'T.

Phil. 1:1 – Paul addresses the bishops and deacons of the Church. They can all trace their unbroken lineage back to the apostles. NO HE DIDN'T. TO ALL THE SAINTS IN CHRIST JESUS, TOGETHER WITH THEIR PRESIDING ELDERS AND DEACONS.

No doubt you have the ability to put a spin on things that are not there to enable you to invent your own meaning and make it say what it does not say. I do not know why you do it as no one believes a word you say.

Do elders have the ministry of reconciliation by the ability to forgive sin?
 

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And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets...
Yep, the 12 Apostles.
Not the 12 early church "fathers" or the 12 early church "popes' or the 12 early church "cardinals".
Eph. 2:19-20 states emphatically:
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord.

This is a reference to the CHURCH – and NOT the Bible, as you can see by the underlined text,the household of God.
REALLY, Einstein – that’s the BEST you can do to try to prove the false doctrine of your Protestant Fathers, Sola Scriptura??
Another one the RCC teaches...
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all INFANTS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. LOL
No – the INFANT part is referenced in Acts 2:38-39.
How many time do I need to show you this, Einstein?
Acts 2:38-39
And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you AND FOR YOUR CHILDREN and for ALL who are far off, EVERYONE whom the Lord our God calls to himself.”


You might wanna write that down . . .