God kills Hypocrites and Takes them Home. He will not be Mocked.

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Disagree!

Do you comprehend, Be Diligent BEFORE you Choose, Because Once you CHOOSE AND COMMIT by YOUR WORD...it is permanent?

Choose you this day... Josh 24:15
Be diligent, Sure of your choice... 1 Pet 1:10
Give your true testimony...Rom 10:9
God shall check IF your testimony IS true...Jer 17:10
Lying unforgivable cast you off...Matt 12: 31
Make no choice? You are Against God...Matt 12:30


Choose you AND CONFESS To Serve God.....It’s permanent!
Give a False Testimony.........You Lied to God! Oops bye, bye to God.
Choose you to Serve Satan...it’s permanent! Oops, bye, bye to God.

You confuse, A man BELIEVING....WHICH CAN CHANGE
with TESTIFYING ones True Belief to God...WHICH CANNOT CHANGE



No. That does NOT APPLY to me...I CHOSE AND COMMITTED to my Choice. My choice AND Commitment IS KEPT secure FOREVER By Gods POWER!
God never overrules our free will. He keeps is by His love, not power
 

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There is according to God, His Order and Way...
Men provide for their families, OF the world simply means, food, shelter.
OF God means, poor in spirit.

Men have a natural instinct to Love their families...
Love A God you can not See or Hear, greater than ALL things?
Love your Enemies, Strangers you know not?

Tall Order and Way of God? Eh?

I DO love the Lord my God greater than ALL things.
I DO love my enemies, strangers I know not.
....And I DO NOT take one ounce of Credit for that Ability.
....All Credit (imo) is ALL by, through, of the Spirit of God than dwells IN me.

It is not too "tall" Taken. In fact His commandments are not burdensome 1 Jn 5:3
 

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You are respecting @Taken ‘s person.

He excluded all other sins, including the ones transgressing the law, implying that only the one sin he mentioned was sin.

Weird how preaching against sin is so despised around here…
Well said, that is why most here have reached the state of absolute sinless perfection, diametrically opposed to the scriptures.
J.
 

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I'm not @Taken , I'm me.

Hi there

I was responding to @robert derrick 's post.

Who is it that despises preaching against sin?

That sounds like another of those false accusations. Which is something we shouldn't do.

Wouldn't that be one of those "false witness" things? A violation of the commandment? Sin? Something no born again person does??

Much love!
What is sanctification?
A process?
Or a state?
All believers in Christ commit acts of sin on a daily basis, hence the need for daily confessing our short comings.

J.
 

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One thing I do NOT understand on here is WHY are such ppl that all they exhibit is anger, be- littling, self promotion, name calling ect. ect. NOT removed from this site ?

A good debate, a good discussion of varying veiws is great but to be literally INSANE with strife, anger, disputes and antagonistic behaviour is so wrong. Then you call yourself a believer in Christ Jesus, Ill pray, for I have doubts !
 

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Actually, I stand corrected. Thank you very much. I will cease to call unrighteous OSAS sinners for life, hypocrites.

They are hypocrites in naming the name of Jesus Christ and not departing from their sinning, and with no intention of doing so, since they teach that is impossible.

The Promise of Salvation is ONE thing.
The Receiving of Salvation is ANOTHER thing.

The Promise of Salvation IS a PROMISE God fulfills ONCE the man fulfills BELIEVING UNTO THE DAY HIS BODY DIES!

On the DAY a BELIEVING mans BODY DIES, IS the DAY that Believing man RECEIVES his GIFT of SALVATION.

ONCE that man HAS received his SALVATION, the ONLY WAY that man COULD lose his Salvation would be to COME BACK TO A LIVING STATE and DENOUNCE his Belief IN the Lord God.

Your little problem is NOT ONCE have YOU provided a SINGLE SCRIPTURE of a dead man coming back to a LIVING STATE and Denouncing his BELIEVE IN the Lord God.

WHY NOT? Because there IS NO such Scriptural Teaching.

WHY NOT? Because we DO KNOW, via Scriptural Teaching, men HAVE physically bodily died and then came back to bodily life and resumed Living, maintaining their FREEWILL choices.

WHY NOT? Because Scriptural Teaching Expressly Teaches God IS ALL Knowing. Because Scriptural Teaching Expressly Teaches God IS NOT fooled by the words and acts of men.

THUS, WHEN a man CONFESSES to the Lord God the mans BELIEF IN the Lord God...God KNOWS “IF” that CONFESSION BE TRUE or NOT.
And on that DAY a man DOES CONFESS...
Thereafter; ON THE DAY that man bodily DIES, HE BECOMES the Recipient of Gods ONCE and For EVER “IRREVOCABLE” Gift of SALVATION.

Not one Scripture reveals Salvation GIVEN is EVER “revoked” or “lost”.
Numerous Scriptures WARN if that man IS NOT IN BELIEF on the day he DIES, his PROMISE of SALVATION shall be moot, void, an undeliverable Gift to that man.

ONCE Salvation IS Given a man, an ETERNAL BOND IS FORMED between that ONE man and the Lord God.

Your problem (and even some who Understand The promise of Salvation fulfilled is permanent).... IS: immediately jumping on the bandwagon of men’s BEHAVIORS and RELATIONSHIPS among and between men supposedly having some EFFECT on a mans SAVED Relationship WITH the Lord God....IT Doesn’t!

I AM converted IN Christ, Which IS to say, I followed the Order and Way according to the Lord God, TO RECEIVE the Lord God’s Give of Salvation. It’s a done deal. My having RECEIVED the Lord God’s Gift of Salvation IS NEVER IN Jeopardy of Being revoked or lost.

Regarding my relationships, behaviors, between and among men...
* Charity, Helping, Aiding, etc. (in Jesus’ Name), shall be rewarded.
Regarding my relationships, behaviors, between and among men...
* Lying, Cheating, Stealing, Conniving, etc. shall be burned.


A SAVED mans Relationship with God IS Sound, Secure. Established in Truth, Established for ever.

However men ARE NOT all knowing. Men’s TRUTHS are not ALL the same.
* If a man tells another man he will do this or that, and doesn’t because of circumstances...Oops, a lie occurred.
* If a married man escorts his female secretary to lunch, the mans wife may feel cheated on...(the wife’s truth)...Oops, accusation of cheating.
* If a man borrows a pen from another man, and slips that pen in his pocket and walks away...Oops, that man has stolen a borrowed pen.

It’s the lies, cheating, theft, that occurs all day long BETWEEN and AMONG men...
* Certainly such “lies, cheating, theft”, can be “exampled” to greater “examples”, elaborated intended lies, elaborated sneaky cheating, elaborated sneaky intended theft.
* Those things become MEASURED by men...as the Greater the Harm, the Greater the Hurt and Greater men WANT to see the instigator Punished.

POINT BEING -

* All the lying, cheating, theft BETWEEN and AMONG men, ARE TRESPASSES BETWEEN and AMONG men.
* They HAVE NOT ONE IOTA to do with the Relationship ONE man has WITH and IN the Lord God Almighty.
* A man WITH and IN the Lord God Almighty...
CAN NEVER, lie to God, Cheat on God with other gods, Steal from God His Power and Glory...GOD POWER KEEPS that man TRUE and Faith-FULL, to the Lord God, FOR-EVER!

* MEN must bear their OWN “burdens” BETWEEN men.
Lie to other men...Cheat other men....Steal from other men...
The Liar, Cheat, Thief; may lose a friend, lose their employment, lose their marriage, lose their family, lose their home, lose their income, lose their savings, lose their reputation, lose respect, lose authority positions, lose their freedom.
* SUCH men “MIGHT” receive “forgiveness of their Trespass Against another Man, from the other man....YET still “have to bear the consequences/burden of their Trespass.

Steal from an employer for example...(embezzle money).
The Employer can FORGIVE the Trespass...YET STILL ... demand repayment....YET STILL....be content with the embezzler be sentenced to serve Prison time. (A removal of that embezzler from society, a punitive punishment to reflect on his poor behavior and not likening the consequence.)

God is SIMILAR. BE WITH God, and He shall be WITH you. OPEN your ears to Gods Teaching of HOW TO have a cordial relationship among and between men (Friend or Foe), to AVOID poor behaviors between and among men, and the negative consequences thereof.
(It is Called PRECEPTS...and the beginning teaching thereof taught very Early IN Scripture and Continues on into the NT)

A Relationship “WITH and IN” the Lord God Almighty...
IS BONDED and SEALED forever...

Precepts among and between men...WAVERS, and the Consequences thereof Continue. They are Trespasses, (not sins), and are up to individual men to bear the responsibly of the Forgivenesses Of Trespasses AND Burdens that result for a mans own behaviors.

ONCE a man IS SAVED, it is Forever.
Trespasses shall continue among men.

Gal 6:
[5] For every man shall bear his own burden.

You shall bear the consequences of your own burden preaching against men trusting Gods Gift of Salvation is Given, was Given them once and forever.
 

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The Promise of Salvation is ONE thing.
The Receiving of Salvation is ANOTHER thing.

The Promise of Salvation IS a PROMISE God fulfills ONCE the man fulfills BELIEVING UNTO THE DAY HIS BODY DIES!

On the DAY a BELIEVING mans BODY DIES, IS the DAY that Believing man RECEIVES his GIFT of SALVATION.

ONCE that man HAS received his SALVATION, the ONLY WAY that man COULD lose his Salvation would be to COME BACK TO A LIVING STATE and DENOUNCE his Belief IN the Lord God.

Your little problem is NOT ONCE have YOU provided a SINGLE SCRIPTURE of a dead man coming back to a LIVING STATE and Denouncing his BELIEVE IN the Lord God.

WHY NOT? Because there IS NO such Scriptural Teaching.

WHY NOT? Because we DO KNOW, via Scriptural Teaching, men HAVE physically bodily died and then came back to bodily life and resumed Living, maintaining their FREEWILL choices.

WHY NOT? Because Scriptural Teaching Expressly Teaches God IS ALL Knowing. Because Scriptural Teaching Expressly Teaches God IS NOT fooled by the words and acts of men.

THUS, WHEN a man CONFESSES to the Lord God the mans BELIEF IN the Lord God...God KNOWS “IF” that CONFESSION BE TRUE or NOT.
And on that DAY a man DOES CONFESS...
Thereafter; ON THE DAY that man bodily DIES, HE BECOMES the Recipient of Gods ONCE and For EVER “IRREVOCABLE” Gift of SALVATION.

Not one Scripture reveals Salvation GIVEN is EVER “revoked” or “lost”.
Numerous Scriptures WARN if that man IS NOT IN BELIEF on the day he DIES, his PROMISE of SALVATION shall be moot, void, an undeliverable Gift to that man.

ONCE Salvation IS Given a man, an ETERNAL BOND IS FORMED between that ONE man and the Lord God.

Your problem (and even some who Understand The promise of Salvation fulfilled is permanent).... IS: immediately jumping on the bandwagon of men’s BEHAVIORS and RELATIONSHIPS among and between men supposedly having some EFFECT on a mans SAVED Relationship WITH the Lord God....IT Doesn’t!

I AM converted IN Christ, Which IS to say, I followed the Order and Way according to the Lord God, TO RECEIVE the Lord God’s Give of Salvation. It’s a done deal. My having RECEIVED the Lord God’s Gift of Salvation IS NEVER IN Jeopardy of Being revoked or lost.

Regarding my relationships, behaviors, between and among men...
* Charity, Helping, Aiding, etc. (in Jesus’ Name), shall be rewarded.
Regarding my relationships, behaviors, between and among men...
* Lying, Cheating, Stealing, Conniving, etc. shall be burned.


A SAVED mans Relationship with God IS Sound, Secure. Established in Truth, Established for ever.

However men ARE NOT all knowing. Men’s TRUTHS are not ALL the same.
* If a man tells another man he will do this or that, and doesn’t because of circumstances...Oops, a lie occurred.
* If a married man escorts his female secretary to lunch, the mans wife may feel cheated on...(the wife’s truth)...Oops, accusation of cheating.
* If a man borrows a pen from another man, and slips that pen in his pocket and walks away...Oops, that man has stolen a borrowed pen.

It’s the lies, cheating, theft, that occurs all day long BETWEEN and AMONG men...
* Certainly such “lies, cheating, theft”, can be “exampled” to greater “examples”, elaborated intended lies, elaborated sneaky cheating, elaborated sneaky intended theft.
* Those things become MEASURED by men...as the Greater the Harm, the Greater the Hurt and Greater men WANT to see the instigator Punished.

POINT BEING -

* All the lying, cheating, theft BETWEEN and AMONG men, ARE TRESPASSES BETWEEN and AMONG men.
* They HAVE NOT ONE IOTA to do with the Relationship ONE man has WITH and IN the Lord God Almighty.
* A man WITH and IN the Lord God Almighty...
CAN NEVER, lie to God, Cheat on God with other gods, Steal from God His Power and Glory...GOD POWER KEEPS that man TRUE and Faith-FULL, to the Lord God, FOR-EVER!

* MEN must bear their OWN “burdens” BETWEEN men.
Lie to other men...Cheat other men....Steal from other men...
The Liar, Cheat, Thief; may lose a friend, lose their employment, lose their marriage, lose their family, lose their home, lose their income, lose their savings, lose their reputation, lose respect, lose authority positions, lose their freedom.
* SUCH men “MIGHT” receive “forgiveness of their Trespass Against another Man, from the other man....YET still “have to bear the consequences/burden of their Trespass.

Steal from an employer for example...(embezzle money).
The Employer can FORGIVE the Trespass...YET STILL ... demand repayment....YET STILL....be content with the embezzler be sentenced to serve Prison time. (A removal of that embezzler from society, a punitive punishment to reflect on his poor behavior and not likening the consequence.)

God is SIMILAR. BE WITH God, and He shall be WITH you. OPEN your ears to Gods Teaching of HOW TO have a cordial relationship among and between men (Friend or Foe), to AVOID poor behaviors between and among men, and the negative consequences thereof.
(It is Called PRECEPTS...and the beginning teaching thereof taught very Early IN Scripture and Continues on into the NT)

A Relationship “WITH and IN” the Lord God Almighty...
IS BONDED and SEALED forever...

Precepts among and between men...WAVERS, and the Consequences thereof Continue. They are Trespasses, (not sins), and are up to individual men to bear the responsibly of the Forgivenesses Of Trespasses AND Burdens that result for a mans own behaviors.

ONCE a man IS SAVED, it is Forever.
Trespasses shall continue among men.

Gal 6:
[5] For every man shall bear his own burden.

You shall bear the consequences of your own burden preaching against men trusting Gods Gift of Salvation is Given, was Given them once and forever.
1. The physical body doesn't die, until the spirit departs this life.

2. The body that dies is the old life of sinning we crucify on our cross for Jesus' sake.

3. Scripture says denying Jesus is two ways: calling Him cursed, and by sinning works.

If you are saying it is impossible for the purified saint to return to his old life of sinning, then you have to revert to the old OSAS tactic of claiming what was once saved, was not really saved after all.

Otherwise, Scripture speaks of the righteous returning to sinning, and all righteousness of the past is forgotten by God.

As well as the sinners turning to the righteousness of the Lord, and all past sins are forgotten,
 
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If you are saying it is impossible for the purified saint to return to his old life of sinning, then you have to revert to the old OSAS tactic of claiming what was once saved, was not really saved after all.

Said no such thing.
OSAS says no such thing.

Otherwise, Scripture speaks of the righteous returning to sinning, and all righteousness of the past is forgotten by God.

No clue what you are talking about.