Don't call yourself a Christian when you live like the world.

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"why the world hates Christians" ?
he never said why.

the world hates Christians because of Christ. not because we go around preaching clean living, moderation and abstinence.
there are atheists who preach clean living, moderation and abstinence. guess what Buddhism preaches. guess what Islam preaches.
ever meet a vegan? guess what they preach?

he didn't preach the cross. point me to the minute-mark where he started talking about the cross, what God did, what it means, how it's foreshadowed in the torah... ???

friend, it's no 'waste'
i listen to about 12-15 1-hour sermons a week. this guy, he's typical. this is an off-the-shelf standard sermon IMO.
i can summarize the whole thing in 14 words:

sin is bad
we need more preachers like me who say sin is bad


that's milk, friend.
"duh"

wake me up when he explains why the two birds are undivided in Genesis 15
sorry but i am not satisfied any longer with simplicity.

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The Christ and Him crucified is not being preached on this forum either and it is the simplicity of the gospel that confounds the wise in their own deceit and conceit...

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marks said:

So this is a Joel Osteen bashing thread?

Great!

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On the contrary, it is a bashing of Johann's thread.
I was "suspended" right after a comical two sentence liner with stunnedbygrace and wouldn't mind being suspended again.

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marks said:

Um, I was asking what you meant. Did you mean to be critical of Osteen? Was that the point?

Much love!

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Guess you missed the point.
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BeyondET said:

So making videos posting and talking on the internet is a nonworldy thing hmm. Guess got to throw the phone out cut off the electricity

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Enoch111 said:

There are many preachers who have a good Statement of Faith but deviate from Bible truth in their preaching and teaching.

Quoting from Got Questions: "The basic doctrine of Joel Osteen, as summarized on his church’s website, is orthodox enough: the inerrancy and inspiration of the Bible, the triune nature of God, and salvation by faith in Christ are all affirmed. The doctrinal problems come in other areas...

THE PROSPERITY GOSPEL
...Overarching all that Joel and Victoria Osteen teach is the prosperity gospel: God’s will is that we be blessed with material things, a view that contradicts 1 Timothy 6:6.

WORD-FAITH
Another problem in Osteen’s message is his promotion of name-it-claim-it or word-faith theology: “We have to conceive it on the inside before we’re ever going to receive it on the outside,” Osteen writes. “If you don’t think you can have something good, then you never will. The barrier is in your mind. . . . Your own wrong thinking can keep you from God’s best.

MODIFIED GOSPEL
More often than not, Osteen sounds like an inspirational life-coach, instead of a herald of the gospel. He often preaches about how people can improve their lives, be prosperous, and experience happiness. Noticeably absent in Osteen’s optimistic message is any mention of sin or repentance.

QUESTIONABLE THEOLOGY
In numerous interviews and writings, Osteen has failed to proclaim that Jesus is the only way to heaven. He has repeatedly refused to agree with the teachings of the Bible that certain behaviors are sinful. This is not a new convert being interviewed; it’s the leader of a church of tens of thousands. Osteen can’t bring himself to support fundamental doctrines of the faith he claims to preach. His words communicate relativism and demonstrate a profoundly poor understanding of the Bible...

...Osteen’s message is sweet, attractive, and pretty. It comes with the million-dollar smile, a heaping helping of the feel-goods, and all of the motivation of the best self-help gurus. That message is also hollow, weak, and devoid of any real value. The most important parts of the gospel are left out, supposedly to broaden his ministry’s appeal. Anyone depending on that message, without recognizing what’s missing, is going to find himself spiritually hungry, frustrated, and in dire straits when a real disaster strikes."

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Better be careful, you might be banned or suspended for speaking the truth.
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post said:

slander.



slander.



slander.




please see the TOS of this board:

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Phoneman777 said:

As the following verse demonstrates, the "seal" refers to a "sign" or an "identifying mark" and that "seal" and "sign" are synonymous:

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Sorry, incorrect, difference between a seal and a sign.
A dictionary might help.
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post said:

no one here is preaching that we should sin.

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Most here have already attained absolute sinless perfection, not capable of committing an act of sin.
Scripture quotations are used our of context.
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Wonder how the new owner/family man believes.
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marks said:

Did you mean to be critical of Osteen? Was that the point?

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Just doing what the scriptures tells us...test/try the spirits.
Where is truth to be found?
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atpollard said:

Said the Amish to the Mennonite.

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Guess there are no rules for being sarcastic.
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Phoneman777 said:

Properly preaching the Cross is telling people Jesus died to give us both pardon for sin and power to obey. Contrary to popular antinomianists rhetoric, obedience or the lack thereof has never nor will ever be a means to and end, but is merely the outward evidence of our inward spiritual condition (1 John 2:3-4 KJV).

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What is the entole/nomoi, the Imperatives?


THE PURPOSE OF THE CROSS

OUTLINE

1. SUBSTITUTION

2. ATONEMENT - COMPENSATION

3. PROPITIATION

4. RECONCILIATION

5.REDEMPTION

6. JUSTIFICATION

7. ADOPTION

THE MESSAGE

THE PURPOSE OF THE CROSS

1. SUBSTITUTION

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Through the cross, Christ died as our substitute taking the punishment of our sins.

SCRIPTURE REFERENCES

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ISAIAH 53:5-6

But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are

healed.

We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

2 CORINTHIANS 5:21

God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

1 PETER 3:18

For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,

2. ATONEMENT - COMPENSATION

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Through the cross , Christ has made an atonement for our sins.He paid the compensation for our sins.

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1 JOHN 2:2

He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

HEBREWS 10:8-10

First he said, "Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them" (although the law required them to be made).

Then he said, "Here I am, I have come to do your will." He sets aside the first to establish the second.

And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

HEBREWS 2:17

For this reason he had to be made like his brothers in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.

3. PROPITIATION

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Through the cross ,Christ has appeased the wrath of God against sin by taking it upon Himself as a propitiation.

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ROMANS 5:9

Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!

4. RECONCILIATION

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Through the cross , Christ has reconciled us to God and restored our relationship with Him.

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ROMANS 5:10-11

For if, when we were God's enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!

Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

COLOSSIANS 1:21-22

Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior.

But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation

2 CORINTHIANS 5: 18-20

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:

that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf: Be reconciled to God.

5.REDEMPTION

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Through the cross , Christ has paid the ransom for us and redeemed us from the devil.

SCRIPTURE REFERENCES

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HEBREWS 9:12

He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, having obtained eternal redemption.

MATTHEW 20:28

just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."

6. JUSTIFICATION

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Through the cross , Christ has justified us and has not only forgiven our sins but has also made us righteous in the sight of God

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ROMANS 5:1-2

Therefore, since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.

TITUS : 3:4-7

But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared,

he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,

whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,

so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.


7. ADOPTION

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Through the cross , Christ has adopted us as children in the family of God and made us joint-heirs with Him.

SCRIPTURE REFERENCES

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GALATIANS 4:4-5

But when the time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under law,

to redeem those under law, that we might receive the full rights of sons.

EPHESIANS 1:5

he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.

ROMANS 8;15-17

For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."

The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.

Now if we are children, then we are heirs ,heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

JOHN 1:12

Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God'”

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Enoch111 said:

This is a free speech forum. However I should have sent a copy of that post to Osteen.

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I was banned brother, and probably going to get banned again for speaking the truth as it stands written in scriptures.
This is not a "free speech forum"
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BeyondET said:

Your using computers which is of the world to say how not too live like the world, ya ok.

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