Here is why, as an Adventist, I believe America is in Trouble.

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She founded the SDA denomination.





This isn't biblical. Nothing in the text states the day of rest was for anyone other than God. Man wasn't even told about the Sabbath until they escaped Egypt.
Haven't you heard about not gathering the manna on the 7th day. To tie them over they were to gather twice as much on the 6th day.......and this was before the Commandments at Sinai were given. How, I wonder, did they know the 7th day was a day of rest?
 
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Haven't you heard about not gathering the manna on the 7th day. To tie them over they were to gather twice as much on the 6th day.......and this was before the Commandments at Sinai were given. How, I wonder, did they know the 7th day was a day of rest?


lol, that was after they left Egypt and they were told by Moses showing that they did not know of it before.

Exo 16:25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
Exo 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
Exo 16:27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
Exo 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
Exo 16:29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Exo 16:30 So the people rested on the seventh day.
 

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It does say those who have the mark may buy and sell.
Indeed it does. A very simple matter to switch people off from having the ability to conduct business. One little button push and presto... No dinner. No house rent. No job. No car. So there's coming a time and even now is at the door, when a global government will have full control of every detail of our lives to switch on or off at their leisure... Depending upon our compliance with their conditions. We have seen such things already on the international level where certain nations were sanctioned because they rang certain alarm bells in the legislative halls of the powers that be. But there was always a reason. The sanctions (the mob of you like) weren't imposed arbitrarily, there were always motivating factors behind the imposition of control. Whether it was war with a neighbor, a disagreement over CO² emissions, terrorism, or real or imagined crimes against humanity, there was always a motivating factors behind the sanctions.
Now ask yourself. Who's in charge of this world? Who's the prince behind the power of the the beast and what are his goals and ambitions? Is it not still to receive worship, to have his authority recognized, to have his worldview accepted in direct contradiction to God's worthiness of worship, His authority, and His Way, Truth, and Life?
The first beast in Revelation 13 is the Antichrist. He is Satan's... The dragon's... Counterfeit Christian masterpiece which replaces Christ in the minds and hearts of his followers, inducing them to worship the beast and through the beast, his proxy, the dragon. Thus will be fulfilled Lucifer's ultimate insane egotistical desire, to sit on a throne and receive worship instead of Christ. He had counterfeited everything through this beast power, which is the Papacy. Including Christ's sole authority as Judge, Mediator, Redeemer, Savior, and Lawgiver. And the ultimate sign of allegiance and loyalty is in whose Commandments you keep.
Those who do not have the mark of the beast in their foreheads it hand have the seal of God in the foreheads. This isn't a tattoo. It's a conscientious expression of loyalty and obedience. And the vast majority of the Christian church bow down in humble obedience to the Commandments and traditions of the Catholic Church by obeying her adulterated version of the Sabbath. When this false Sabbath, Sunday, is made a law with resulting penalties and enforced compliance, it then becomes the mark of the beast. Sanctions will be imposed on those who reject Sunday and choose God's Commandments instead of the fake man-made counterfeit. Those who have the seal of God are described as being those who keep the commandments of God and have the faith and testimony of Jesus. (Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12)
And even from you not one single word about the mark having anything to do with Sunday worship or the Sabbath being illegal. Wise choice since none of that is scriptural.
Even as we write here, the Catholic Church through it's current pope and his friends, is lobbying the governments of the world to agree to a climate Sunday in order to combat climate change. This is nothing more than a fake Sabbath in disguise. Remember, even Jesus Himself said to watch for deception, false Christs, false prophets. And the whole controversy since Eden over sin, rebellion, redemption and Salvation had always been about worship and loyalty and submission to authority. Choose you this day whom you will serve. Are you one who has removed the ten commandments from under the mercy seat, changed them to suit your lifestyle, and claimed that God doesn't care which day you set aside as His?
 

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Ellen White wasn't the founder of Seventh Day Adventism. Jesus was. Seventh Day Adventism began in the garden of Eden when Jesus the Creator gave Adam and Eve a day for rest and a promise of redemption in His coming.
Was that in Ellen's self proclaimed vision number 1,999 or 2,000?

Ellen G. White, The False Prophetess
 

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"Nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all:
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America’s biggest trouble started right here!
 
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Was that in Ellen's self proclaimed vision number 1999 or 2,000?

Ellen G. White, The False Prophetess
She founded the SDA denomination.





This isn't biblical. Nothing in the text states the day of rest was for anyone other than God. Man wasn't even told about the Sabbath until they escaped Egypt.
A NT text often quoted by many without any true idea of the implications of what Jesus was actually saying, is...
KJV Mark 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Three questions...
When was the Sabbath made?
By Whom was it made?
And for Whom was it made?

You have repeatedly demanded we cleave to scripture for our answers to your challenges, (and we have), so from Jesus Himself quoted above, what are the answers to those questions, and how do they contradict your personal belief system? Let's see how honest you are.
 

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That's correct, (Ellen G. White) is the founder of 7th Day Adventism, just like (Charles Taze Russel) is the founder of the Jehovah's Witnesses, and (Josheph Smith) is the founder of Mormonism, it's that simple
 
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America’s biggest trouble started right here!
Donald J. Trump is one of the best Presidents in America's history, putting him in the top 5 is a conservative opinion

Trump/DeSantis 2024
 

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A NT text often quoted by many without any true idea of the implications of what Jesus was actually saying, is...
KJV Mark 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Three questions...
When was the Sabbath made?
By Whom was it made?
And for Whom was it made?

You have repeatedly demanded we cleave to scripture for our answers to your challenges, (and we have), so from Jesus Himself quoted above, what are the answers to those questions, and how do they contradict your personal belief system? Let's see how honest you are.
Ellen G. White, The False Prophetess, 2,000 self proclaimed dreams and visions? a lie!
 

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When this false Sabbath, Sunday, is made a law with resulting penalties and enforced compliance, it then becomes the mark of the beast.


None of that comes from the bible though. It's pure imaginary fiction just like other false doctrines, pre-trib rapture and "no future Millennium" etc etc.
 

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America’s biggest trouble started right here!
His previous election, the ongoing saga of his public and private life, and his much hoped for "second coming"within the Christian right particularly, is accomplishing precisely what the occult globalists have been planning...a clearly defined divisive society where both sides despise each other with hatred and vindictive animosity without any recourse to reconciliation, and an ever widening gap between both sides. A left/right... Liberal/conservative... Democrat/republican... Socialism/capitalism... Antithesis/thesis...
A contrived political and religious separation with both sides going to greater and ever broadening extremes in their policies and methods, which conflict and turmoil will become so extreme and so detestable that the general public will demand a stop to the mayhem. Then the globalists will introduce the answer. Synthesis. A power now waiting in the wings, hidden in plain sight, who will promise peace and safety but require unconditional submission.
When Sunday observance shall be enforced by law, and the world shall be enlightened concerning the obligation of the true Sabbath, then whoever shall transgress the command of God, to obey a precept which has no higher authority than that of Rome, will thereby honor popery above God. He is paying homage to Rome, and to the power which enforces the institution ordained by Rome. He is worshiping the beast and his image. As men then reject the institution which God has declared to be the sign of His authority, and honor in its stead that which Rome has chosen as the token of her supremacy, they will thereby accept the sign of allegiance to Rome,—"the mark of the beast." And it is not until the issue is thus plainly set before the people, and they are brought to choose between the commandments of God and the commandments of men, that those who continue in transgression will receive "the mark of the beast."
No one has yet received the mark of the beast. The testing time has not yet come. There are true Christians in every church, not excepting the Roman Catholic communion. None are condemned until they have had the light and have seen the obligation of the fourth commandment. But when the decree shall go forth enforcing the counterfeit sabbath, and the loud cry of the third angel shall warn men against the worship of the beast and his image, the line will be clearly drawn between the false and the true. Then those who still continue in transgression will receive the mark of the beast.
With rapid steps we are approaching this period. When Protestant churches shall unite with the secular power to sustain a false religion, for opposing which their ancestors endured the fiercest persecution, then will the papal sabbath be enforced by the combined authority of church and state. There will be a national apostasy, which will end only in national ruin.
 

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I promise you brother I know this one. The beast that rises from the sea is not the Antichrist. This first beast is a conglomerate of parts, a composite beast made up of 7 heads and ten horns, feet like a bear, mouth like a lion fast as a leopard. It amounts to church and state. This is the thing that the Dragon works through, giving it his power and great authority.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The 1st beast rises out of the sea. HE is the ANTICHRIST. He is the Assyrian. He is the eighth king who is of the seven.

Rule #1 in understanding Bible Prophecy:

1) Never put the Bad Guy in the spot where Jesus belongs.

Jesus does not go forth conquering and to conquer. He is not the rider on the white horse of the 1st seal. That is a false Christ who is the 7th king and who gives his power to the eight king.

Daniel 9 and Revelation 6.
The first seal was opened during the reformation. It was the Gospel message that salvation came through faith in Jesus, and not what the church told us to do.
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I consider rule number one as read what the Word says and believe what it says. As soon as you start making things up, you are lost.
The seals are not open. The seals are the 70th week of Daniel, the period when God turns His attention to His chosen.

I'd be more worried if I'm right about this:



Because the next verses says:

The God of forces.

A strange god.

And a god whom his fathers knew not

"But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not​

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shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory.​

The God of forces.

A strange god.

And a god whom his fathers knew not

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I would think that the God that his father's knew not would be a Muslim who worshiped Allah, a God his father's knew not, instead of the Christian God.

He worships THE GOD OF FORCES. Not power and strength and force, but the GOD of forces.
 

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A NT text often quoted by many without any true idea of the implications of what Jesus was actually saying, is...
KJV Mark 2:27-28
27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Three questions...
When was the Sabbath made?

For God alone it was made in Genesis 1.


By Whom was it made?

God.

And for Whom was it made?

Man, for the first time in Exodus 16.


The Sabbath originally was just for the Jews. Eventually the covenant was broken and a long time later God instituted a new covenant first offered to Jews who would accept Christ, then to the rest of the world. All who would accept Christ ie: Christians, would have a new covenant and thus a new Sabbath for rest. It became a spiritual rest rather than a certain day where one rested. A Christian has this spiritual Sabbath always because Christ gives us rest every day. We can also take literal rest from work on any day since Christ is the current concept of a Sabbath.


Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Christ is our Sabbath rest now.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Sabbath was one of many things that were shadows of things to come which means they would be fulfilled and replaced with something much greater.

Heb 4:7 Much later God told David to make the promise again, just as I have already said, "If you hear his voice today, don't be stubborn!"
Heb 4:8 If Joshua had really given the people rest, there would not be any need for God to talk about another day of rest.
Heb 4:9 But God has promised us a Sabbath when we will rest, even though it has not yet come.
Heb 4:10 On that day God's people will rest from their work, just as God rested from his work.
Heb 4:11 We should do our best to enter that place of rest, so that none of us will disobey and miss going there, as they did.

Here the Sabbath is different and is spoken as a place of rest, the eternity, when we will rest from all the struggles of life, sin and any hardships. It has not yet come, "even though it has not yet come".
 

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4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.


A masculine pronoun does not prove the subject is a male person. (Babylon is a "she" but is not a female woman) Try taking some introductory Greek grammar lessons.
 

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When this false Sabbath, Sunday, is made a law with resulting penalties and enforced compliance, it then becomes the mark of the beast. Sanctions will be imposed on those who reject Sunday and choose God's Commandments instead of the fake man-made counterfeit. Those who have the seal of God are described as being those who keep the commandments of God and have the faith and testimony of Jesus. (Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12)

Even as we write here, the Catholic Church through it's current pope and his friends, is lobbying the governments of the world to agree to a climate Sunday in order to combat climate change. This is nothing more than a fake Sabbath in disguise. Remember, even Jesus Himself said to watch for deception, false Christs, false prophets. And the whole controversy since Eden over sin, rebellion, redemption and Salvation had always been about worship and loyalty and submission to authority. Choose you this day whom you will serve. Are you one who has removed the ten commandments from under the mercy seat, changed them to suit your lifestyle, and claimed that God doesn't care which day you set aside as His?
A Teaching from the false prophetess (Ellen G. White) 2,000 self proclaimed dreams and visions "A Lie"!

Sunday observance isn't the mark of the beast as (Ellen G. White) taught, and you believe
 

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For God alone it was made in Genesis 1.




God.



Man, for the first time in Exodus 16.


The Sabbath originally was just for the Jews. Eventually the covenant was broken and a long time later God instituted a new covenant first offered to Jews who would accept Christ, then to the rest of the world. All who would accept Christ ie: Christians, would have a new covenant and thus a new Sabbath for rest. It became a spiritual rest rather than a certain day where one rested. A Christian has this spiritual Sabbath always because Christ gives us rest every day. We can also take literal rest from work on any day since Christ is the current concept of a Sabbath.


Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Christ is our Sabbath rest now.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Sabbath was one of many things that were shadows of things to come which means they would be fulfilled and replaced with something much greater.

Heb 4:7 Much later God told David to make the promise again, just as I have already said, "If you hear his voice today, don't be stubborn!"
Heb 4:8 If Joshua had really given the people rest, there would not be any need for God to talk about another day of rest.
Heb 4:9 But God has promised us a Sabbath when we will rest, even though it has not yet come.
Heb 4:10 On that day God's people will rest from their work, just as God rested from his work.
Heb 4:11 We should do our best to enter that place of rest, so that none of us will disobey and miss going there, as they did.

Here the Sabbath is different and is spoken as a place of rest, the eternity, when we will rest from all the struggles of life, sin and any hardships. It has not yet come, "even though it has not yet come".
I challenged you to be honest. I'm disappointed.
 

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None of that comes from the bible though. It's pure imaginary fiction just like other false doctrines, pre-trib rapture and "no future Millennium" etc etc.
Actually it does. You just can't see it...I mean you can't even recognize the true Sabbath, how can you recognize the counterfeit?
 

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Actually it does. You just can't see it...I mean you can't even recognize the true Sabbath, how can you recognize the counterfeit?


Wait, it's YOU that can't recognize the true Sabbath, not me.

It's also a fact that no scripture in the whole bible says Sundays will be made law, that the mark is that during the Great Tribulation, and nothing about the Sabbath being outlawed. That's all made up by EGW or others in the SDA denomination. At least people like me base our beliefs on scripture rather than imaginary theologies.
 

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Actually it does. You just can't see it...I mean you can't even recognize the true Sabbath, how can you recognize the counterfeit?
I observe and follow the 7th day Sabbath, God's 10 commandments are alive and well today without question!

Ellen G. White is a false prophetess, and her self proclaimed 2,000 dreams and visions is a lie!

Her teachings on "soul sleep" and the "investigative judgement" are lies also, with many more not mentioned