Should Christians Celebrate Christmas?
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aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
Sure! Cannot wait for Midnight Mass! What a celebration of Christ!! After the Advent prayers and Advent candles and wreath.....Jesus is finally here - brilliant!
But you forgot to define the second half of the term which is "mass":
The World Book Encyclopedia defines "Christmas" as follows: "The word Christmas comes from "Cristes Maesse", an early English phrase that means "Mass of Christ." The word "Mass" in religious usage means a "death sacrifice." The impact of this fact is horrifying and shocking; for when the millions of people are saying, "Merry Christmas", they are literally saying "Merry death of Christ!" Furthermore, when the fat man in the red suit laughs boisterously and says, "Ho ho ho, Merry Christmas", he is mocking and laughing at the suffering and bleeding Saviour, who died for our sins.
In page 537 of the Catholic Encyclopedia, it says, "In the Christian law, the supreme sacrifice is that of the Mass." It goes on to say, "The supreme act of worship consists essentially in an offering of a worthy victim to God, the offering made by a proper person, as a priest, the destruction of the victim." Please note carefully the word, "victim" of the Mass. The Latin word for victim is "Hostia" from which the word "host" is derived. The Mass, by definition of those who coined the word, is a sacrifice involving a victim. There is no other meaning for the word "Mass" or "Christ-Mass."
In essence, the Mass is the ceremonial slaying of Jesus Christ over and over again, followed by the eating of his flesh and the drinking of his blood. The Mass is the death sacrifice, and the "Host" is the victim. This is official Roman Catholic doctrine, and "Christmas" is a word that they invented. I must ask you all, what is so merry about the pain, bleeding, suffering and death of Jesus Christ?
SealedEternal
I didn't forget anything, Sparky. I was addressing the post regarding the word "merry". Next time...Read more carefully.
Um...Salvation?
Besides...We aren't discussing Easter. We're discussing Christmas...The birthday.
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. John 14:28
Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy. John 16:20
And ye now therefore have sorrow: but I will see you again, and your heart shall rejoice, and your joy no man taketh from you. John 16:22
And many more.
Appears there is quite a bit to be "merry" about.
Is that assuming that Christians in the Greek community celebrated Christmas and use that word? And where in the New Testament was that word used?
So you celebrate the "Mass" of Christ, or ritualistic daily killing of Jesus, and find this a joyous practice?
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Hey, for me, words mean something. Words like "worship", "truth", "must"... So I look at John 4:24 and can't look to celebrate Christmas. After reading that verse, and knowing that almost the entire traditional Christmas story is not true, I simply can't take it seriously, nor can I bring myself to celebrate it.
It's not easy in my position, because I work in the Public School System. I don't know how many middle school children have figured out that Santa isn't real. I don't want to be "the bad guy" and tell them the truth (because every year people get fired over that!). Furthermore, I know for sure of one person besides myself that doesn't celebrate Christmas in that school, though there might be others. Yet I would be willing to bet that in this institution where we are supposed to be teaching things that are true, that everyone realizes that Jesus wasn't born on December 25th. Yet in years past I've been continually been invited to participate by people who know I take a stance against it and have received my request NOT to invite me. They still do.
I do my best not to step on anyone's beliefs, and most people have extended that to me... But not everyone. It's pretty disrespectful.
Pardon my rant!
It's not easy in my position, because I work in the Public School System. I don't know how many middle school children have figured out that Santa isn't real. I don't want to be "the bad guy" and tell them the truth (because every year people get fired over that!). Furthermore, I know for sure of one person besides myself that doesn't celebrate Christmas in that school, though there might be others. Yet I would be willing to bet that in this institution where we are supposed to be teaching things that are true, that everyone realizes that Jesus wasn't born on December 25th. Yet in years past I've been continually been invited to participate by people who know I take a stance against it and have received my request NOT to invite me. They still do.
I do my best not to step on anyone's beliefs, and most people have extended that to me... But not everyone. It's pretty disrespectful.
Pardon my rant!
Yes, it's OK for Christians to celebrate Christmas in remembrance of Christ's birth, even though that was not the real time of His birth through Mary.
It's NOT OK for those who hold to Jewish traditions to tell Gentile Christians not to celebrate Christmas.
It's NOT OK for those who hold to Jewish traditions to tell Gentile Christians not to celebrate Christmas.
Is it also OK for Christians to erect golden calves (symbol of baal) as long as we say we are doing it for the true God? See Exodus 32 for the answer. In the same way, is it OK for Christians to engage in rituals and use idols that the pagans used to honor the antichrist sun god, on the very day that they did so in honor of him, and attribute them to Christ? I think the answer is equally obvious.
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Of course it's not OK for Christians to erect gold calves in idol worship. But since when do Christians do idol worship by celebrating Christ during Christmas?
The Jews have several holidays THEY made up themselves which GOD DID NOT GIVE! So it's like some say here, 'beam, meet plank'.
You're a toad.
I do believe his "seal" is broken. Notice how Sealy repeatedly throws out the red herrings? All the while never touching the statements at hand.
aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
No offense, but you are kind of cranky - go have some eggnog and kiss someone under the mistletoe before you have a breakdown. Life is too short!
Is it ok to tithe, to go to an alter, to serve a pastor, to call a "church" building God's house? There a lots of things done today that were not commanded to the new covenant believers but they do them anyway, these are all lies and done on a weekly basis, why no threads on them?
What are some of the results of Christmas, lots people are overcome with generosity, help others less fortunate, some think of Christ, sounds terrible doesn't it.
Most of religious liturgy done on a weekly basis produces pride and yet thought of as good, but the Christmas season brings things like joy, kindness and in many cases humbleness yet some think it is wrong. Sounds a little turned around to me,
What are some of the results of Christmas, lots people are overcome with generosity, help others less fortunate, some think of Christ, sounds terrible doesn't it.
Most of religious liturgy done on a weekly basis produces pride and yet thought of as good, but the Christmas season brings things like joy, kindness and in many cases humbleness yet some think it is wrong. Sounds a little turned around to me,
By using the rituals and idols created by the pagan antichrist worshippers thousands of years before Christ came in the flesh, and doing so on the solstice when the antichrist was supposedly reborn, while claiming it is Jesus' birthday when it isn't. The day would not exist except that the original antichrist Nimrod established it, pagans throughout history observed it, and Roman Emperors added Christ's name to it to try to corrupt true Christianity, and bring nominal Christians back into Babylonian harlotry. These facts were well known until recently, but unfortunately today, people just follow like sheep whatever everyone else is doing, while never questioning the true origin of these idols and rituals which they immerse themselves in. It's fundamentally designed to worship the antithesis of Jesus, and the name "Christ" was only added as a veneer to incorporate Him in the worship of the pagan antichrist rituals which were founded long before He came.
I'll make another analogy to make this more clear. (Please Gypsy realize this is an analogy and don't accuse me of being a Nazi):
What if I determined to celebrate my child's birthday on Hitler's birthday every year, even though I knew my child's birth wasn't anywhere near that day. Beyond that, I decided that everyone should goose step around, wearing Nazi armbands, and shouting seig heil on that day, to supposedly honor my child. Would anyone doubt who I was truly honoring that day? The fundamental essence of my actions would clearly refute what I say I am celebrating. So why use the rituals and idols of antichrist, on the day that was designed to honor the rebirth of the antichrist, and say we are doing it for Jesus? That doesn't make any sense.
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aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
This sounds like a heavy burden to carry and more rules to be condemned by.......I thought the Christian life was supposed to be free?
Nothing wrong with tithing either, IF a Christian believer so chooses to do it. Under the New Covenant we're not commanded to do it though, but we are commanded to help poorer brethren under the idea of alms. Tithes was a set amount of 10% per the Old Covenant. Under alms, we could actually give more if want. It's between the believer and The LORD. And all 'true' Churches are... houses of God per God's Word, for the ones that are not God called 'beth-avens' (houses of vanity). Whether or not God's Word is taught there is what really makes the difference.
What our Lord Jesus did was free us from all the ritual playing religion stuff. That's why the NT doctrine is that we simply are not to judge each other on such stuff as holy days, meats, etc. Those who took the vow of a Nazarite did so by personal choice, not to be able to lord it over other brethren that did not take such vows.
See, I don't agree that we should be calling the Christian passover as Easter either, but that came out the old traditions of when pagans converted to Christ Jesus. I don't know any Christian that is doing idol worship with that, and that's the real point Apostle Paul made with all this. Yet there's still devout pagans that refuse Christ Jesus that still do hold to old pagan feast days, and still do idol worship, so the difference is pretty clear if one will simply use common sense.
And like I said, the Jews have some holidays they created themselves which God did not ordain per His Word, so they are essentially doing the same thing, holding to days God did not command. When Christ returns we all will only observe what days God says.
The tithe was designed to support the temple priests under the Old Covenant. I'm not sure it has any application in the New Covenant, although It is certainly a good idea to use the blessings He has given us to support His gospel getting out. You are correct that there is no commandment as far as percentages. Each should give according to his or her means, and based on the worthiness of the cause.
The "holy days" that Paul was referring to, were the ones God instituted to the Israelites. I highly doubt he was saying that there was nothing wrong with participating in pagan rituals, idols, and holy days, since God is clear on His position in that regard.
I doubt that has any New Covenant application whatsoever.
There we can agree. "Easter" is another veiled reference to the sun god who rises in the "east", otherwise known as the "light bearer" or Lucifer. The Passover is based on the Lunar calender instituted by God, while "easter" varies based on the sun calender, which is why most professing "christians" don't celebrate it at the proper time most years.
Then why adopt the days, idols, and rituals of antichrist worship in the supposed adherence of "christian" holidays?
Didn't God often use the Old Covenant people as an example of what not to do? How does them adopting paganism justify us?
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aspen
“"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few
SealEternity - I understand that you have concerns about the pagan roots of Christmas, which is why you choose not to celebrate it; I am wondering if your are consistent in your rejection of pagan activities?
One example, off the top of my head is the marriage ceremony and the institution of marriage. Pagans married centuries before Judaism and Christianity began. Egyptians married and were generally monogamous - in fact, there were penalties for spouses who cheated. Also, the wedding ring is a pagan symbol, which means infinity.
I am interested in your comments.
One example, off the top of my head is the marriage ceremony and the institution of marriage. Pagans married centuries before Judaism and Christianity began. Egyptians married and were generally monogamous - in fact, there were penalties for spouses who cheated. Also, the wedding ring is a pagan symbol, which means infinity.
I am interested in your comments.
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