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Cmon' Ferris. Think about what you are saying. Catholic theology is so far out in left field??? Do you agree with the theology of the Trinity? Or that Jesus claimed to be God and is? Do you agree that there are 27 books in the NT? If so, you agree with Catholic theology/teachings.....
What I resist is the corruption that was developed over time by the Catholic church. You are a fallen church. That's why you could not be reformed. You had to be replaced. We've been groping our way back to the truth ever since. You've been set aside as false and irrelevant.
 
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The demons never said they were in the meat that was sacrificed to the false gods. Jesus said he was in the bread. So did Paul. Kapish?
If you're going to define "participation in the body of Christ" as literally eating the actual blood and body of Christ then "participants with demons" has to be defined as literally eating a demon. It has to be or you're not being true to your own beliefs. Kapish?
 
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If communing with demons in pagan sacrifices implies that demons are really present, then communing with the body and blood of Jesus in the Eucharist implies that his body and blood are really present.
'Participating' in the altar/sacrifice is to worship that which you are making a sacrifice to. It doesn't mean you are literally eating the being you are sacrificing to.
 
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Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord (v.27).

How can you eat/drink in an unworthy manner and be guilty of profaning the body/blood of the Lord if it is just a symbol Ferris?
Because not being considerate of other believers is what constitutes "profaning the body and blood of the Lord". Not believing that the bread and wine is the literal body and blood of Christ is not what profanes the body and blood of the Lord. Read the passage!
 

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As many of you know, I have not been backwards in coming forward to identify the Roman church as the Antichrist of scripture. I know that is a difficult concept to grasp, particularly in light of the fact that since the counter reformation, the Catholic Church itself has taught that we should look for an individual person rather than a succession of leaders of one institution. Although it must be noted that while a larger portion of catholicism are preterists, many hold to futurism so there is a conflict there.
That said, I think it essential that such allegations as I make are supported not only by scripture, but also in the character and nature of the institution itself, reflected in her teachings. To that end, I would like to make one very specific point, then provide evidence to it's validity.
Before we look at the antichrist, I want to look at the real Christ. Who is He? Let us go to the scriptures to find out what and Who He claimed to be.

Mathew 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple...

The temple, the priesthood, and the religious system including all the ceremonies, the sacrifices, and the law of the Jewish nation go hand in hand. It was the mainstay and focal point of the life of Israel. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater. Greater even than the very High priest who no doubt would take great interest in hearing a report of these words. Greater even than the law itself, because He was the lawgiver.

….38 ¶ Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here…


Jonah was the most powerful and successful of all OT prophets. In all 40 odd chapters of Jeremiah, there is no record of anyone at anytime taking the slightest bit of notice of anything Jeremiah said. Yet Jonah, on the strength of just one or two sermons, converted the entire city of Nineveh of the children of Ishmael totaling maybe 60,000 people. By any standards, that has got to be recorded as a very successful evangelistic campaign. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater than Jonah.

…42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

Solomon was the wisest and wealthiest and most successful of any ruler of the ancient world. Yet Jesus claimed to be greater even than Solomon.

He claimed to be a greater priest than the current high priest of Israel, He claimed to be a greater prophet than Jonah, and He claimed to be a greater King than Solomon. In these three startling claims, we have before us the threefold ministry of Jesus. Priest, prophet, and King.

It has been said, and I think wisely, that the Bible must be understood grammatically before it can be understood theologically. Anti– as in antichrist, according to Strong’s concordance, and like other words having the prefix ‘anti’, means at it’s most basic form “in the room of”, “instead of”, or “in the place of”.
In other words, ‘antichrist’ stands as a substitute. This does not mean the Antichrist isn't an enemy, not does it mean he won't persecute the church, and attack it's principles, but it reveals how he attacks. By stealth, by deception, by cunning. By removing Christ as being the focus of faith and practice, and substituting Him and His teachings for a counterfeit system and counterfeit focus.

To be continued....
 
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Continuing....

First, let us see if the Bible itself presents this substitution concept in the form of deception and false worship even.

Dragon/Satan.

  1. His place in heaven (Rev 12:3,7,8.)
  2. He has a throne. (Rev 13:2, 2:13)
  3. Gives throne, power, and authority to sea-beast. (13:2,4.)
  4. He is worshipped. (13:4a)
  5. Destroyed forever. (20:9,10)
Now compare:
God the Father

  1. Dwelling in heaven (Rev 4,5)
  2. He has a throne. (4:5; 7:9-15; 19:4)
  3. Gives throne, power and authority to Jesus. (Math 28:18 Rev 2:27; 3:21; chapters 4,5.)
  4. Is worshipped. (Rev 4:10; 15:4)
  5. Lives and reign forever. (4:9; 5:13; 11:15)
The Land-beast or false prophet.

  1. Called the false prophet because he deceives people with regards to religious matters. (16:13; 19:20; 20:10)
  2. Appears as a lamb. (13:11)
  3. Exercises all authority of sea-beast. (13:12a)
  4. Directs worship to sea-beast. (13:12b,15)
  5. Performs signs. (13:13; 19:20)
  6. Brings fire down from heaven (13:13)
  7. Gives breath/life to beast's image (13:15)
  8. Applies mark of beast. (13:16)
Now compare:
The Holy Spirit

  1. Called the Spirit of truth guiding people. (Jn 16:13 Rev 22:17)
  2. Christ-like. (Jn 1426; 16:14)
  3. Exercises authority of Christ (Jn 16:13,14)
  4. Directs people's attention to Christ (Acts 5:29-32)
  5. Grants gifts..gift of miracles eg.(1 Cor. 12:8-11)
  6. Fire from heaven at Pentecost (Acts 2)
  7. Instills life to us, the image of Christ, ‘Christ in us the hope of glory’… (Romans 8:8-11,29)
  8. Applies seal of God. (2 Cor 1:22 Eph 1:13 4:30 Rev 7:3,4.)
The sea-beast or antichrist.

  1. Comes from water to begin activity. (13:1)
  2. Resembles dragon. (12:13 13:1)
  3. Ten diadems. (13:1)
  4. Ten horns (13:1)
  5. Receives power throne and authority from dragon/Satan. (13:2,4)
  6. 42 months of activity in first phase. (13:5)
  7. Was slain (13:3)
  8. Resurrected (13:3)
  9. Receives worship after healing (13:3,4,8)
Now compare:
Jesus Christ

  1. Comes from water to begin ministry (Luke 3:21-23)
  2. Resembles Father (Jn 14:19)
  3. Many diadems (Rev 19:12)
  4. Lamb has 7 horns (5:6)
  5. Receives power throne and authority from His Father (Math 28:18 Rev 2:27 Chapters 4,5)
  6. 42 months of ministry in initial phase. (Gospel of John)
  7. Was slain (Rev 5:6)
  8. Was resurrected (Rev 1:18)
  9. Received worship after resurrection (Math 28:17)
Notice how Satan had imitated God in the above manifestations. Should we expect that the Antichrist, Satan's own brainchild and vessel for deception in these last days, be any different? Should we really expect the true Antichrist to charge in from the distant horizon with guns blazing aiming at decimating the church in a way so obvious as taught by futurist and preterists believers? Is this Satan's real plan in opposing God's people? In the past this was his method in opposing Israel, and at the beginning of Christianity he stuck to that until he realized it was having the opposite effect to what he wanted. Rather than destroying the church, it was growing under persecution. So Satan changed track...

He created a masquerade, a counterfeit, a false hope.

But just to be clear...
According to the Bible, Who was Jesus?
  • John 1:3: The creator of all things
  • Luke 1:35: He was born the holy one
  • Hebrews 4:15: Tempted in all thing like us but never sinned
  • John 1:14: Full of grace
  • John 1:14: He was fully man
  • John 3:16; Romans 8:29: The Father gave us His Son
  • He healed the sick, cast out devils, spoke words of encouragement, and forgave sinners
  • Hebrews 7:23, 24: He is our only Priest
  • I John 2:1: He is our Advocate
  • I Timothy 2:5: He is our only Intercessor
  • Hebrews 7:25: He is our only Intercessor
  • Acts 4:12: We can only be saved by His Name
  • Matthew 1:21: He the Savior
  • Hebrews 9:26 beginning with the words: “. . . but now once in the end of the world” He came to do away with sin by the sacrifice of Himself
  • John 1:51: He is the ladder (top and bottom)
  • John 16:26, 27: We pray to the Father in the name of Jesus
  • John 1:18: Jesus has made the Father known
  • Hebrews 2:17, 18: He helps us when we are tempted
  • John 14:6: He is the only way to the Father
  • John 10:9: He is the door
  • Isaiah 11:1: He is the branch from the root of Jesse
  • Ephesians 1:7: He is the Redeemer by His blood
  • Hebrews 6:18: We flee to him for Refuge
  • Hebrews 4:15: He gives us power to overcome temptation
  • Psalm 84:11: He is the sun
  • Colossians 3:3, 4: He is our life
  • II Corinthians 3:18: We are changed by beholding Him
  • I John 2:2: He is our propitiation with the Father
  • Psalm 23:4: He is my comfort when I walk through the valley of the shadow of death
  • Philippians 4:13: He is omnipotent. I can do all through His power
  • Revelation 22:16: He is the Star
  • I Corinthians 15:45: He is the last Adam.
  • Genesis 3:15: He would crush the head of the serpent
  • Exodus 13:21, 22: He was in the pillar of cloud and fire
  • Luke 10:17: In his name demons are cast out
  • John 4:13, 14: He is the fountain of living water
  • Ephesians 2:14: He is our peace
  • Psalm 144:2: He is our fortress and refuge
  • John 12:32, 33: He draws all men to Himself
  • Romans 6:23: He is the giver of eternal life
  • I Timothy 1:1: He is our hope
  • Worthy to be praised (Revelation 5:11-13)
  • Romans 8:34: He died, his body saw no corruption (Acts 2:25-27), he resurrected and then ascended body and soul to heaven to sit at the right hand of God as King.
 

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Continuing....

Mary the Rival of Jesus.
“But God was pleased that Mary should in all things resemble Jesus; and as her Son died, it was becoming that the mother should also die.” Liguori, p. 407.
This is the fundamental leap of logic that the Roman Catholic Church employs. They use expressions such as “it was fitting,” “it was necessary,” “it was befitting.” Where do we find that in all things Mary was to resemble Jesus? She is actually a rival of Jesus and overshadows Jesus in Roman Catholic theology.

At Alphonsus di Ligouri
  • lived in the 17th century
  • 22 volumes of his work have been published.
  • He was canonized as a saint by Pope Gregory XIV in 1839 and was declared a doctor of the church by Pope Pius IX. He is one of the 32 doctors of the church whose writings are especially trustworthy and of authority
  • "The Glories of Mary" is one of these
  • Lest you think that this volume contains one man’s opinion, I would mention that it is actually a collection of the patristic wisdom of the Roman Catholic Church from the Early Church Fathers till his day. Thus the book does not present his view or interpretation but what has been taught by Roman Catholic theologians, doctors and saints throughout the course of the centuries.
  • Liguori himself expresses the reason for preparing his book: “I endeavored to collect, from as many authors as I could lay my hands on, the choicest passages, extracted from Fathers and theologians, and those which seemed to me to be the most to the point, and have put them together in this book, in order that the devout may with little trouble and expense be able to inflame themselves with the love of Mary, and more particularly to furnish the priests with matter for their sermons, wherewith to excite others to devotion towards this divine Mother.” The Glories of Mary , p. 30.
  • The work consists of several chapters. In each, Lioguori seeks to prove a certain point about Mary. At the end of each chapter, he gives an illustration of the point and ends with a prayer to Mary based on the content of the chapter.
  • The edition herein quoted was published by the Redemptorist Fathers in 1931 and bears the imprimatur by Patrick (Cardinal) Hayes on April 16, 1931.
  • The preponderance of Liguori’s quotations come from the church fathers, the apocryphal books of Ecclesiasticus and Wisdom of Solomon and the Old Testament books of Proverbs and Song of Solomon. Most of these quotations apply to wisdom personified (Jesus) or to Solomon’s bride (the church) and yet they are applied to Mary because the Church has said so.
  • Texts are persistently torn out of their contexts. Texts from the Old Testament are used without any New Testament corroboration. They originally apply to Jesus and they are applied to Mary.
  • Liguori, p. 101: If Mary is for us, who can be against us? (Romans 8:31)
  • “Mary was prefigured by the dove which returned to Noah in the Ark with an olive branch in its beak, as a pledge of the peace which God granted to men.” Liguori, p. 202
  • “Glorious things are said of you, O city of God” St. Gregory but Mary is this city of God?” p. 244
  • “Correctly, then, can we here say with St. Paul, Having this seal, the Lord knoweth who are His; that is to say, whoever carries with him the mark of devotion to Mary is recognized by God as his.” Liguori, pp. 244, 245
  • After Liguouri died his grave was opened in Nocera. Three fingers were cut off and sent to Rome by wish of Pope Pius VII who said: “Let those three fingers that have written so well for the honor of God, of the Blessed Virgin and of religion, be carefully preserved and sent to Rome.” Cited in, The Glories of Mary , p. 20
Creator
St. Bonaventure: ‘The world which thou with God didst form from the beginning continues to exist at thy will, O most holy Virgin;’ the saint adhering in this to the words of Proverbs applied by the Church to Mary: I was with Him forming all things. St Bernardine adds, that it was for the love of Mary that God did not destroy man after Adam’s sin; ‘He preserved it on account of his most singular love for this Blessed Virgin.” Liguori, p. 368

Born immaculate and Holy
“Mary was conceived without sin, that the divine Son might be born of her without sin.” Liguori, p. 296 “By her Immaculate Conception, she shared in His victory over sin; by her bodily assumption into heaven, she shared in His victory over death.” Knights of Columbus, The Mother of Jesus , p. 25

Never sinned
“. . . the Blessed Virgin never committed any actual sin, not even a venial one.” Liguori, p. 299

God in the flesh
According to Dr. Mark Miravalle, Mary is the incarnation of the Holy Spirit: “Still, their union is so inexpressible and so perfect that the Holy Spirit acts only by the Immaculata, his spouse. . . The third Person of the Blessed Trinity never took flesh; still, our human word ‘spouse’ is far too weak to express the reality of the relationship between the Immaculata and the Holy Spirit. We can affirm that she is, in a certain sense, the ‘incarnation’ of the Holy Spirit.” Miravalle, Mary: Coredemptrix, Mediatrix, Advocate p. 54.

Full of grace
Father Contenson quotes Jesus as saying: “My wounds are ever-flowing fountains of grace; but their streams will reach no one but by the channel of Mary. In vain will he invoke me as a Father who has not venerated Mary as a Mother.” (Liguori, p. 155) “As the moon, which stands between the sun and the earth, transmits to this latter whatever it receives from the former, so does Mary pour out upon us who are in this world the heavenly graces that she receives from the divine sun of justice.” (Liguori, p. 159, 160) Words of St. Bernardine: “. . . from the moment that this Virgin Mother conceived the divine Word in her womb, she acquired a special jurisdiction, so to say, over all the gifts of the Holy Ghost, so that no creature has since received any grace from God otherwise than through the hands of Mary.” (Liguori, p. 161)
Took the humanity of Adam before the fall
“For not only is it true that the flesh of Jesus is the same as that of Mary, but, the flesh of our Savior, even after his resurrection, remained the same that he had taken from his Mother.” Liguori, p. 297

Loving, kind, accessible, compassionate and very sympathetic

Priest
“Hence St. Epiphanius calls her a ‘priest.’” Liguori, p. 394. Repeatedly we are told that she offered the life of her Son. She immolated him.

Our only Advocate or Mediator
St. Bonaventure: “O Mary, our advocate, it is for thee to defend thy clients, and to undertake their cause before the tribunal of Jesus Christ.” Liguori, p. 270 Words of St. Bonaventure: “‘. . . before Mary there was no one who could thus dare to restrain the arm of God.’ But now, if God is angry with a sinner, and Mary takes him under her protection, she withholds the avenging arm of her Son and saves him.” Liguori, p. 124 “Christ is a faithful and powerful mediator between God and men, but in him men fear the majesty of God. A mediator, then, was needed with the mediator himself, nor could a more fitting one be found than Mary.” Liguori, p. 196 The picture of Zechariah 3 with Satan contending with the angel over the sins of Joshua: About a certain sinner who found himself before the dread tribunal: “. . . the devil accused him, and Mary defended him. The enemy produced the catalogue of his sins; it was thrown into the scales of divine justice, and weighed far more that all his good works. But then his great advocate, extending her sweet hand, placed it on the balance, and so caused it to turn in favor of her client; giving him thereby to understand that she would obtain his pardon if he changed his life; and this he did after the vision, and was entirely converted.” Liguori, p. 128. “Frequently our petitions are heeded sooner when we address ourselves to Mary the Queen of Mercy and Compassion than when we go directly to Jesus who as King of Justice is our Judge.” Liguori, p. 246 “The Franciscan Chronicles relate that a certain Brother Leo saw in a vision two ladders the one red, the other white. On the upper end of the red ladder stood Jesus and on the other stood his holy Mother. The brother saw that some tried to climb the red ladder; but scarcely had they mounted some rungs when they fell back, they tried again but with no better success. Then they were advised to try the white ladder and to their surprise they succeeded for the Blessed Virgin stretched out her hand and with her aid they reached heaven.” Liguori, p. 246 St. Fulgentius: “O, how long since, would the world have been destroyed, had not Mary sustained it by her powerful intercession.” Liguori, p. 256 Prayer of St. Ephrem: “O immaculate Virgin, we are under thy protection, and therefore unitedly we have recourse to thee; and we beseech thee to prevent thy beloved Son, who is irritated by our sins, from abandoning us to the power of the devil.” Liguori, p. 273 Prayer of St. Bernard: “We fly to thy protection; appease the wrath of thy Son, and restore us to his grace.” Liguori, p. 274

I could add many many more, how Mary has been exalted way above her proper station, and despite the numerous protestations to the contrary, elevated to a position of worship, replacing Christ in His true office and ministry.

Is this not the heresy of all heresies, of far more import than the arguments over OSAS and millennialism and rapture? And yet the protestant church today walls hand in hand with Rome and claiming that the papal church had changed and is no longer worthy of protest as she once was. How is the Catholic Church not the Antichrist? How can any imaginary Jewish figure from Assyria, accomplish more damage to the church in a future 3 years than the Catholic Church has, and is still doing, over the last 1500 years?
 
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See, if you have a head full of theology and can teach it, then that is actually harmful unless what you teach is based on your correct understanding of the Grace of God as the BLOOD ATONEMENT, that is the foundation of your FAITH.
And when you are trying to keep yourself SAVED, and trying not to go to hell, then that is THE proof that you have no real faith in Christ.
This is an infallible doctrine then?
 

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Because not being considerate of other believers is what constitutes "profaning the body and blood of the Lord". Not believing that the bread and wine is the literal body and blood of Christ is not what profanes the body and blood of the Lord. Read the passage!
Oh goodness.....
 

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What I resist is the corruption that was developed over time by the Catholic church. You are a fallen church. That's why you could not be reformed. You had to be replaced. We've been groping our way back to the truth ever since. You've been set aside as false and irrelevant.
Lol...no, you are doing more than resisting the corruption. You are resisting the doctrine also. Just because the men are corrupt (sinful) their sins do not corrupt the truth of the doctrine. If that were true then the sins of your men would corrupt the doctrine they put forth and you adhere to.
 

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What is it about the words of Jesus himself that you do not understand?

"Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

Bread gives you physical life. While the word of God gives you spiritual life (John 3:6) - the spiritual life you have been told comes from eating a wafer and drinking some wine. But as we can see for ourselves (no cardinals, popes, or bishops needed) the scriptures say life comes from the word of God.

You have the word of God in you by faith, by the testimony of the Holy Spirit (1 John 5:10). Rituals and ceremonies and carnal elements do not have life in them and do not put the life giving word of God in you. Receiving the word of God by faith through the voice of the Holy Spirit does that.
Yup, man can not live on bread alone. Read that passage IN CONTEXT Ferris. He fasted forty days and forty nights, and afterwards he was famished. Satan then suggested that Jesus turn the stones into bread so he could eat. That passage PARTIALLY refers to actual food to keep your physical body alive. It also refers to Spiritual food which is the word of God. So It is not a matter of either/or. Matthew 4 does not cancel out John 6 and 1 Corinthians. They are both true. Your men have twisted Matthew 4 into John 6 to fit what they believe. There is no need to. Jesus was very clear in John 6 that He is the new bread (manna, actual food) that came down from heaven and sent by God; just like the manna sent by God. He was very clear that we must eat Him and then he showed us how to do it.

So according to what your men have taught you "Give us this day our daily bread" is really "give us this day our daily Scripture reading" AND 'you must eat my body to have life in you' is really 'you must read Scripture to have life in you'. And when Paul said eating the bread is a participation in the body of Christ it really wasn't a participation in the body of Christ. That is simply fascinating! I honestly don't know what to say.
 

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You gotta get this straight. I follow Jesus, the Apostles and the Prophets. I do not follow men. I will listen to men who speak in accordance with Jesus, the Apostles and the Prophets. And it is only in that regard that I 'follow' someone. I have a Bible FIRST. Then I may or may not have a list of men who have proven to speak accurately according to the Bible I have. I know this is a completely alien concept to you because you are taught that you can not know the Bible without your Catholic leaders. Meanwhile, I can not know a true leader without the Bible! Big difference!
Exactly .
 

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Oh goodness.....
Yeah, look what you see when you read the Bible for yourself, lol!
What is profaned is the church of God, NOT THE BREAD AND WINE!
And what constitutes taking the elements unworthily is HOW YOU TREAT THE CHURCH, NOT THE ELEMENTS.
 

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Jesus was very clear in John 6 that He is the new bread (manna, actual food) that came down from heaven and sent by God; just like the manna sent by God.
We know that. I plainly said we eat the Bread from heaven, Jesus, when we BELIEVE in Jesus, at which time his sacrifice on the altar in heaven is applied to our account. That's why it's referred to as being 'by faith'. We don't literally see or taste the sacrifice of Christ in heaven, it is applied to us through our faith in it. His sacrifice comes to us via the word about his sacrifice, not through the literal sacrifice itself, or it would not be by faith. Faith is defined by what you CAN'T see but must receive by conviction, not by evidence.
 
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So according to what your men have taught you "Give us this day our daily bread" is really "give us this day our daily Scripture reading" AND 'you must eat my body to have life in you' is really 'you must read Scripture to have life in you'.
Faith comes by HEARING THE WORD OF GOD.
You receive the Holy Spirit by having faith in what you hear about the gospel of Christ. You continue in the blessing of that Holy Spirit by hearing about the gospel you have received, not through the rituals of 'religion'. 'Religion' (and I mean that in every negative connotation of the word) says you achieve closeness and intimacy with God through ceremonies and procedures and rituals...if they are done correctly and in the approved way that your church says God wants them done. But the Bible ('my men') is quite clear about the falseness of that belief:

"9Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace and not by foods of no value to those devoted to them." Hebrews 13:9

"8But food does not bring us closer to God: We are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do." 1 Corinthians 8:8

Once you discover these truths for yourself in the pages of the Bible you can NEVER be fooled again by a church, especially the Catholic church, that you must, and can only, relate to God through the doings of their various 'approved' ceremonies and rituals. That is why I can NEVER attend, let alone join, the Catholic church. Yours is just another cold dead ceremonial unspiritual false religion of the world. Lost in the lie that to truly know God you have to relate to him through certified and approved official creeds and rituals. Not even remotely true. I don't think you will ever know, but it would be great if you knew what it means to have a relationship with God instead of relating to him through 'religion'. Instead of 'religion', relating to him through what actually constitutes a 'knowing' relationship with him and no longer deceitfully thinking you're pleasing to him and approved by him because you are confident that you have and practice the only accurate and approved creeds and rituals he approves. I hope I'm wrong, but I think you are hopelessly bound up in the falseness of cold dead 'religion'. Most people are.
 
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The corruption of the Catholic church IS it's doctrine.
I firmly resist corrupt, Catholic doctrine.
My faith isn't supported by the corruption in yours.
Corruption of Protestant Church's doesn't effect Catholic doctrine. But your doctrine depends on mine being wrong.
You are projecting Mr. Bueller.
 
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My faith isn't supported by the corruption in yours.
Corruption of Protestant Church's doesn't effect Catholic doctrine. But your doctrine depends on mine being wrong.
You are projecting Mr. Bueller.


But your faith teaches
You got it all wrong, dude.
If you have noticed I refer to myself as 'non-Catholic'.
The bulk of Protestant denominations aren't much better off in a lot of things than the Catholic church is.

The true church, the body of Christ, is a remnant. It numbers far less than the sum total of all people who identify as 'Christian'. And it doesn't gather in an official identifiable organization at this time in history, like it did in the days of the Apostles, because the official organizations of men are all corrupt to one degree or another. And they cling to the same false idea of what pleases God and what he's looking for that the Catholic church does.
 

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This is an infallible doctrine then?

John 14:6.
That is "Christ Crucified", that is John 3:16, and 2 Corinthians 5:19,....it is the Gospel of the Grace of God, when its PREACHED., like im doing right now in this Post.

Paul calls this, "the preaching of the Cross". = Romans 1:16, this preaching of The Cross, which is THE GOSPEL, or what Paul refers to as "MY Gospel".... is the "power of God, unto Salvation".

And its as "infallible" as God's Son.

Final answer.
 

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You got it all wrong, dude.
If you have noticed I refer to myself as 'non-Catholic'.
The bulk of Protestant denominations aren't much better off in a lot of things than the Catholic church is.

The true church, the body of Christ, is a remnant. It numbers far less than the sum total of all people who identify as 'Christian'. And it doesn't gather in an official identifiable organization at this time in history, like it did in the days of the Apostles, because the official organizations of men are all corrupt to one degree or another. And they cling to the same false idea of what pleases God and what he's looking for that the Catholic church does.
Non -Catholic. Why not non-Lutheran? Non-Mormon?
Or non whatever you want to call it. Does not being them matter ? You might have to dismantle fundamental structures of your belief system to remove the structures dependant on Catholic corruption.