Have you ever been disappointed in what you read in the Bible?

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Davy

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Understanding God or if you like, understanding the bible from your perspective which you demonstrate above, places you in a position which is not that different to the understanding which most of the people of the world have of God. Even insurance companies 'blame' God for certain events.

I'm not the one proclaiming HATRED AGAINST GOD, you are, with your LACK OF SENSE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND GOD'S JUSTICE.

Only someone who hates God's Righteousness would hate His actions. And that makes me doubt why someone like you has come here on a CHRISTIAN forum.
 

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I'm not the one proclaiming HATRED AGAINST GOD, you are, with your LACK OF SENSE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND GOD'S JUSTICE.

Only someone who hates God's Righteousness would hate His actions. And that makes me doubt why someone like you has come here on a CHRISTIAN forum.
Davy, you assume too much....and that poorly. If you want to understand what I think, ask.......that way you'll get it from the horses mouth instead of your imagination.
 
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Davy, you assume too much....and that poorly. If you want to understand what I think, ask.......that way you'll get it from the horses mouth instead of your imagination.

Just be careful... what you say against my Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ, because when you MOCK His actions in Old Testament history, you are mocking His Christ also, and He is dependent upon your Salvation!
 

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I had locutions once. It was four words. They were at my left ear, coming from outside of me. I even felt breath on my ear. I was the only one in the car.
I think it’s rare, but you say it’s impossible.

Perhaps you misunderstood me Grace, I said God does not speak to people, and I am speaking about currently. He is recorded as speaking and being heard by humans 2X in the Bible I believe. He has sent representatives to humans who spoke to humans, but it was accredited to Jehovah. Spirit beings can and do speak to people, like you I have heard voices at least once, and saw along with another individual lights come on in a church and apparitions were inside.
 

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Perhaps you misunderstood me Grace, I said God does not speak to people, and I am speaking about currently. He is recorded as speaking and being heard by humans 2X in the Bible I believe. He has sent representatives to humans who spoke to humans, but it was accredited to Jehovah. Spirit beings can and do speak to people, like you I have heard voices at least once, and saw along with another individual lights come on in a church and apparitions were inside.

I think you limit God to what you, personally, have experienced. We’ve all done that in the past, myself included. I’m not doing that any more.
 

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I'm not the one proclaiming HATRED AGAINST GOD, you are, with your LACK OF SENSE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND GOD'S JUSTICE.

Only someone who hates God's Righteousness would hate His actions. And that makes me doubt why someone like you has come here on a CHRISTIAN forum.
I'm sorry your deafness is so acute that your imagination allows such misrepresentation, Davy
 

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I think you limit God to what you, personally, have experienced. We’ve all done that in the past, myself included. I’m not doing that any more.

No maam, I simply assist others in learning what the Bible teaches, anything outside of it is simply opinion. I was in error in what I posted you however, God's personal voice has been heard from heaven by humans on three different occasions: (1) At the time of Jesus’ baptism (29 C.E.), when Jehovah said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.” Both Jesus and John the Baptizer undoubtedly heard this voice. (Mt 3:17; Mr 1:11; Lu 3:22) (2) At Jesus’ transfiguration (32 C.E.), with the apostles Peter, James, and John present, when virtually the same words were uttered. (Mt 17:5; Mr 9:7; Lu 9:35) (3) In 33 C.E., shortly before Jesus’ last Passover, when, responding to Jesus’ request that God glorify his name, a voice from heaven said: “I both glorified it and will glorify it again.” The crowd thought that it had thundered or that an angel had spoken to Jesus.—Joh 12:28, 29.

Of course I could always be wrong, and please feel free to correct me if you know of any other times recorded in the Bible.
 

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No maam, I simply assist others in learning what the Bible teaches, anything outside of it is simply opinion. I was in error in what I posted you however, God's personal voice has been heard from heaven by humans on three different occasions: (1) At the time of Jesus’ baptism (29 C.E.), when Jehovah said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.” Both Jesus and John the Baptizer undoubtedly heard this voice. (Mt 3:17; Mr 1:11; Lu 3:22) (2) At Jesus’ transfiguration (32 C.E.), with the apostles Peter, James, and John present, when virtually the same words were uttered. (Mt 17:5; Mr 9:7; Lu 9:35) (3) In 33 C.E., shortly before Jesus’ last Passover, when, responding to Jesus’ request that God glorify his name, a voice from heaven said: “I both glorified it and will glorify it again.” The crowd thought that it had thundered or that an angel had spoken to Jesus.—Joh 12:28, 29.

Of course I could always be wrong, and please feel free to correct me if you know of any other times recorded in the Bible.

It’s a puzzlement to me that you find three places in the Bible where Gods voice was heard by men and your conclusion is that God can no longer speak to men…
 
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No maam, I simply assist others in learning what the Bible teaches, anything outside of it is simply opinion. I was in error in what I posted you however, God's personal voice has been heard from heaven by humans on three different occasions: (1) At the time of Jesus’ baptism (29 C.E.), when Jehovah said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.” Both Jesus and John the Baptizer undoubtedly heard this voice. (Mt 3:17; Mr 1:11; Lu 3:22) (2) At Jesus’ transfiguration (32 C.E.), with the apostles Peter, James, and John present, when virtually the same words were uttered. (Mt 17:5; Mr 9:7; Lu 9:35) (3) In 33 C.E., shortly before Jesus’ last Passover, when, responding to Jesus’ request that God glorify his name, a voice from heaven said: “I both glorified it and will glorify it again.” The crowd thought that it had thundered or that an angel had spoken to Jesus.—Joh 12:28, 29.

Of course I could always be wrong, and please feel free to correct me if you know of any other times recorded in the Bible.
Is God's voice from heaven able to be heard by the faithful today?
 

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i don't get disapointed with what i read in the Bible, i do find some of it to be hard & diffcult to understand that's where Bible study tools come in
 
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Sure, some things in the Bible are difficult for our low-horsepower human minds to grasp..:)-
Jesus said "You hardly believe me when I tell you earthly things, so how would you believe me if I told you heavenly things?....
....I know where I came from and where I am going, but you have no idea where I come from or where I am going.....you are of this world, I am not of this world" (John 3:12,10:38,8:14,8:23)

That's why Jesus used parables to help us get an inkling of his message, but even then some of his followers couldn't understand right away and he had to explain it to them, like the Good and Bad Seed parable-
Jesus said “Don’t you understand this parable? Then how will you understand all the parables?" (Mark 4:13)

However, let's not fret if we can't grasp everything (especially in the heavyweight Old Testament) so let's stay focussed on Jesus as Paul advised us..:)-
"I am worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:3)

 
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Understanding God or if you like, understanding the bible from your perspective which you demonstrate above, places you in a position which is not that different to the understanding which most of the people of the world have of God. Even insurance companies 'blame' God for certain events.

Jesus challenged that view of God and demonstrated the truth of God......it had him killed.
Just an observation after reading their hateful rebuttal of your post above: You are attempting to discuss that which is spiritually discerned with that member who cannot understand that.

Which is why their hateful rebuttal accuses you of saying things your post never said.

On the other hand,I say again, witnessing such behavior express itself that way serves to reiterate the warning in scripture that foretells of that behavior,and why it is there.
 

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It’s a puzzlement to me that you find three places in the Bible where Gods voice was heard by men and your conclusion is that God can no longer speak to men…

I see your point maam, and I do not disagree with it, but here is something to consider, of those three places He only spoke to those who are among His covenanted people. Even when he sent representatives it was still only to them as well. I may be in error on this, but I am not familiar with God interacting with a more personal touch with unbelievers. Are you Grace?

I can say in all honesty, I have never had God speak to me personally, but I have one experience I cannot make sense of.
 

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I see your point maam, and I do not disagree with it, but here is something to consider, of those three places He only spoke to those who are among His covenanted people. Even when he sent representatives it was still only to them as well. I may be in error on this, but I am not familiar with God interacting with a more personal touch with unbelievers. Are you Grace?

I can say in all honesty, I have never had God speak to me personally, but I have one experience I cannot make sense of.

He spoke in a dream to Pilates wife. She was not a Jew.
And on the day of Pentecost, there were non Jews present who all heard the gospel in their own languages.

Of course I want to know the experience you spoke of! :)
 

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i don't get disapointed with what i read in the Bible, i do find some of it to be hard & diffcult to understand that's where Bible study tools come in

And that's when God will step in by The Holy Spirit and help in understanding. It's the result of what Apostle Paul commanded Timothy to study to show himself approved of God, and become a workman who need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth (2 Timothy 2:15).

We have to show discipline in His Word through study before we can have understanding in it.

What's funny, is how many instead default to listening and heeding all sorts of silly doctrines of men, putting their trust in some man they 'think' is studied, when those have not truly disciplined theirselves in study of all of God's Word. I recall Jim Baker after he'd been in prison for a while and had more time to do Bible study, said he found out the Pre-trib Rapture theory he'd been teaching for years actually was not written in The Bible. I have a feeling that a lot of preachers on that doctrine instinctively know it's false too, but because of the system over them, and their reputation, they continue to preach it.
 
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Is God's voice from heaven able to be heard by the faithful today?

I know of no one of my faith who has ever personally heard God's voice literally maam. I actually am ignorant on how the faithful slave receives the understanding from God, but I do know we are fed very well Mat 24:45-47. I would bet any amount there are extremely few among us who takes in all we receive. I am far from it, I have trouble simply keeping up with what is assigned.