The Sin Nature

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L.A.M.B.

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This is a blessing. This post.
It demonstrates perfectly the anti-gospel natural man mindset.

That natural mind as God said, does not understand the things of the spirit because they are spiritually discerned. And this occurs when God's holy Spirit enters those who are his.
And this has purpose;God's.Who said,as Jesus and when asked by his disciples why he taught the gospel in parables, because his words were not meant to be understood by everyone,else they repent and be saved.

That design is extant today as well. God's will and word is eternal.

Those who disfigure the gospel don't,and will not understand even after this, that Jesus died taking the sins of the world upon himself. He didn't take the sins in the world because then sin would not exist anymore.

He took the sins of the world. That those who believe in him are redeemed from their sins. Those sins being put under his blood that flowed from the cross so to wash us clean from what would otherwise be our sin debt to God with our blood.

That sacrifice guarantees , seals as a promise from God, eternal life for the believer.And eternal life is eternal salvation.

Because those natural minded ones are currently dead in their sins.The first death.
And when they die unredeemed from their sins, they die the second death that kills the body and the soul.

Those redeemed in Christ are eternally alive in Christ.
And all this is not our doing.
So we cannot boast,nor work to achieve salvation.
It is God's free irrevocable gift of grace he gives to we whom he calls to himself. And that he paid for by sealing the salvific covenant with his blood.

And because we are indwelt by God's holy spirit and understand the good news, we do not make a habit of dinning. Thinking we can do whatever we like now because we'll never go to hell.

Natural minds don't get that.



What are you calling the anti-gospel ?

The whole word of God MUST be rightly divided. I believe in eternal life as promised AFTER this life is passed and the body is deceased. We must ENDURE until the END of this life and breath has ceased.

No one except God KNOWS whats coming in the way of a believer.
There are doctrines,teachings,preachers & teachers that can shipwreck ppls faith. There are trials, weaknesses & sins that will shipwreck faith.

If this is denied and a person thinks our God did the work in forgiveness for the rest of my life and I am secure by doing nothing, then I pray they are not sifted so hard that they die for sin one refuses to confess.

In believing a lie, many will be damned !
 
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What are you calling the anti-gospel ?

The whole word of God MUST be rightly divided. I believe in eternal life as promised AFTER this life is passed and the body is deceased.

Jesus is Eternal life.

Eternal life is not a period of Time.
Eternal Life is Jesus Himself.

John said "that you may KNOW that you HAVE Eternal LIFE".

That means NOW.
And How do you have it?

Jesus said...>"all that believe in me, i give unto them, Eternal Life'.

How does He do that?
He joins His Spirit to the spirit of a BELIEVER, and they become BORN AGAIN Spiritually... and that is to have Eternal Life.
Jesus who IS Eternal Life, lives IN every born again Believer, ... in Spiritual Union.
He is Eternal Life, and so, they have it, by having been joined to HIM, as Born Again= Spiritually.
 
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Do we have a "sin nature"? What is it? Where are we taught this in the Bible?

good question. Many verses come to mind. I don’t know if they help prove more what you brought up about the “sin nature” or disprove. Your post does make me think of the joke about the scorpion and the frog. Where the frog ask for help from the scorpion but in the end, the scorpion stings the frog. the frog asks “why did you do that?” …the scorpions response: “it is my nature.” Scorpions sting.

Romans 8:5-7 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. [6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. [7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
 

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Or of ourselves in that day!

1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

Much love!
@marks What a tremendous Epistle is 1 John!
 
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What are you calling the anti-gospel ?

The whole word of God MUST be rightly divided. I believe in eternal life as promised AFTER this life is passed and the body is deceased. We must ENDURE until the END of this life and breath has ceased.

No one except God KNOWS whats coming in the way of a believer.
There are doctrines,teachings,preachers & teachers that can shipwreck ppls faith. There are trials, weaknesses & sins that will shipwreck faith.

If this is denied and a person thinks our God did the work in forgiveness for the rest of my life and I am secure by doing nothing, then I pray they are not sifted so hard that they die for sin one refuses to confess.

In believing a lie, many will be damned !
You're Catholic?
 

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good question. Many verses come to mind. I don’t know if they help prove more what you brought up about the “sin nature” or disprove. Your post does make me think of the joke about the scorpion and the frog. Where the frog ask for help from the scorpion but in the end, the scorpion stings the frog. the frog asks “why did you do that?” …the scorpions response: “it is my nature.” Scorpions sting.

Romans 8:5-7 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. [6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. [7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Ephesians 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
Hi @VictoryinJesus Ephesians 2 is so clear; but often forgotten or overlooked............
 
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Nope, never have been.. I was Pentecostal.
I now do not hold nor believe in any denomination. I am simply a follower of Jesus, a child of God!!!!!
We don't labor to retain our salvation. We don't need confess to indwelling God our sins else we lose our salvation.
When we do confess our sins it's for our relief from guilt at having offended God. And that guilt is due to our being aware of what it means to sin.
Our confession is for our peace of mind. Not to secure or reinstall our salvation as if we can lose it everytime we sin. Or don't confess when we do.

We do not work to keep God's free gift.

Believing a Christian is not eternally secure in Christ when they are saved is the anti-gospel.

Natural man's mind is pride filled,arrogant,selfish,vain.
It is from that self-absorbed self-centered place the anti-gospel is born. Thinking God needs our assistance to help him keep his word.

When the actual gospel buried in the tomb due to God's calling us to his word, natural man's pride,arrogance, selfishness,vanity, self-absorption, and self-centeredness.
 

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We don't labor to retain our salvation. We don't need confess to indwelling God our sins else we lose our salvation.
When we do confess our sins it's for our relief from guilt at having offended God. And that guilt is due to our being aware of what it means to sin.
Our confession is for our peace of mind. Not to secure or reinstall our salvation as if we can lose it everytime we sin. Or don't confess when we do.

We do not work to keep God's free gift.

Believing a Christian is not eternally secure in Christ when they are saved is the anti-gospel.

Natural man's mind is pride filled,arrogant,selfish,vain.
It is from that self-absorbed self-centered place the anti-gospel is born. Thinking God needs our assistance to help him keep his word.

When the actual gospel buried in the tomb due to God's calling us to his word, natural man's pride,arrogance, selfishness,vanity, self-absorption, and self-centeredness.



This is your opinion.
I believe that once sin takes hold without repentance & confession and turing away from that sin we cannot overcome it. It will rear its ugly head bc we think well God let me slide on that one..

Sin when it is finished brings death, spiritual death to the believer bc Jesus said of the demon who was cast out of the man, when he returned, finding the house swept and clean, he went and got 7 more demons and the state of the man was worse than at first.

Sin takes captive the soul if it is allowed to remain. We cannot get a dose of I'll do better next time. Sin has to be brought under the blood or it will rule a life.
 
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This is your opinion.
I believe that once sin takes hold without repentance & confession and turing away from that sin we cannot overcome it. It will rear its ugly head bc we think well God let me slide on that one..

Sin when it is finished bring death, spiritual death to the believer bc Jesus said of the demon who was cast out when he returned, finding the house swept and clean, he went and got 7 more demons and the state of the man was worse than at first.

Sin takes captive the soul if it is allowed to remain. We cannot get a dose if I'll do better next time. Sin has to be brought under the blood or it will rule a life.
No, it's the gospel of Jesus.

Your opinion is not. Yours is anti-gospel.

Sin does not take hold of those reborn in Christ.
 

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This is your opinion.
I believe that once sin takes hold without repentance & confession and turing away from that sin we cannot overcome it. It will rear its ugly head bc we think well God let me slide on that one..

Sin when it is finished bring death, spiritual death to the believer bc Jesus said of the demon who was cast out when he returned, finding the house swept and clean, he went and got 7 more demons and the state of the man was worse than at first.

Sin takes captive the soul if it is allowed to remain. We cannot get a dose if I'll do better next time. Sin has to be brought under the blood or it will rule a life.
@L3astAm0ngManyB13ss3d Ephesians 2 is a great guide; being 'dead in trespasses and sins', the sinner absolutely needs the grace of God...........
 

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Being born-again it quite amazing that even though my flesh still commits sin, that by faith you can be made right with God and have peace with God because of believing on the Lord Jesus Christ who died, buried, and resurrected. Something just have to be honest about with my self - let alone sharing with anyone else. The Flesh profits nothing, but the Spirit does bring forth new life when a christian abides in Christ, having love for God and having love for others.
 

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Ok , you have it your way and remain blind. Ill trust what the word says.
The word doesn't call Jesus a failure. Your doctrine does.
Not even Catholics think sin can take hold of a believer and unless they confess their sins they go right back to being a condemned sinner.

Your opinion is not scripture. It's sophistry.
 

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Lol.
I trust Jesus completely. Because he overcame, I know I can also by his word and the help of the Holy Spirit.
Paul said examine yourselves daily, Jesus said take up your cross and follow me daily.

We are done, I stand grounded in the word, believing in God, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I do not know where you stand and it isnt MY problem !
 

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Do you believe when we are born again in Christ we return to our condemned state if we acrue sins we don't repent of?
@Blue Dragonfly's

2 Corinthians 7.10: "For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."

Philippians 1.6: "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" .

cc @Eternally Grateful
 
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Lol.
I trust Jesus completely. Because he overcame, I know I can also by his word and the help of the Holy Spirit.
Paul said examine yourselves daily, Jesus said take up your cross and follow me daily.

We are done, I stand grounded in the word, believing in God, the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I do not know where you stand and it isnt MY problem !
It is your problem.

You're not grounded in the gospel.

You think you have to confess your sins or you're damned by them. That's not being saved from your sins.
 

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It is your problem.

You're not grounded in the gospel.

You think you have to confess your sins or you're damned by them. That's not being saved from your sins.



According to you. Who are you ? I answer to God and him only. He provided for my salvation ,not some mere man!
 

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@Blue Dragonfly's


2 Corinthians 7.10: "For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death."

Philippians 1.6: "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" .
1 Corinthians 8:12
then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.


John 8:34 Romans 6:6 answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Romans 6:6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.