"Endure to the END< ... #2

Matt 24:13 endures to the end.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

27. Heb 1:14 shall be heirs of salvation

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
(Must remain obedient)

(He who endured to the end) one who dies in a state of grace united to Jesus Christ by faith and baptism!
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 1 pet 3:21
Matt 24:13


Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible if baptism is rejected!

Eternally Grateful said:

This is rediculous. All OSAS believers believe there is an eternal consequence for sin. Thats WHY we believe we can not earn our way out of eternal death by our works.
reality is, you do not fear the consequence of sin or the reality of it..

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You only believe in eternal consequences of sinning for others, not yourself, which is because you teach unconditionally going to heaven, no matter how much you continue sinning. It's OSAS 101.

Eternally Grateful said:

What bible do you read, They had no sin, hence had not fallen short of Gods standard.. they were perfect.

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You've been corrected on this point. I don't repeat myself to the same person. You can ignore the correction and continue on with mantra.

Eternally Grateful said:

Sorry bro. but you are now bearing false witness. I have never stated nor have I ever taught such nonsense.

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Your associate on this thread does elsewhere.

Eternally Grateful said:

No, we preach the truth. Moses said whoever did not keep ALL of the law. were cursed.. That means even one sin your doomed forever.

We can not even keep the law God gave moses. So how can we be perfect.

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Keep rejecting the law of Christ and calling upon the law of Moses. You might as well, since you treat the blood of the Lamb as that of a bull or a goat that only coverers your ongoing sinning, rather than washing you clean.

Eternally Grateful said:

that's Gods requirement, You want to water down Gods law so you can deny your own sin.

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Now I see what youmean by watering down the law of God, by not believing sinning in point is sinning in all pints, and the wage for sinning is death of the soul.

Watering down the law usually means doing away with certain parts of it.

You of course do neither. You just do away with the law of Scripture period, so you are a law to yourself by what you write in your own mind by your own faith alone.

Eternally Grateful said:

They did not have to believe in OSAS.

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Not until the serpent taught it to them.

Eternally Grateful said:

YOU ARE.. By claiming you can not keep it. yet still not be condemned..

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I'm not OSAS.

theefaith said:

Matt 24:13 endures to the end.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

27. Heb 1:14 shall be heirs of salvation

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
(Must remain obedient)

(He who endured to the end) one who dies in a state of grace united to Jesus Christ by faith and baptism!
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 1 pet 3:21
Matt 24:13


Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible if baptism is rejected!

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And especially enduring temptation. They are calling Jesus a deceiving heretic shoving enduring to the end down peoples' throats.

They have truly dived off into the deep end of the pit.

Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

robert derrick said:

You only believe in eternal consequences of sinning for others, not yourself, which is because you teach unconditionally going to heaven, no matter how much you continue sinning. It's OSAS 101.

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Again. Not true

Apart from Grace. I WOULD be in hell for eternity.

OSAS teaches to focus on serving others.

All I hear out of your mouth is serve self stop sin.. If you spent more time serving others. and less time attacking people you hate. you may understand this

You've been corrected on this point. I don't repeat myself to the same person. You can ignore the correction and continue on with mantra.

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Ignore the correction. yet I am correct?

Dude. I mean really..

Your associate on this thread does elsewhere.

Once again, I guess you are admitting I am correct.. You try to turn it to someone else.

Get real man.

Keep rejecting the law of Christ and calling upon the law of Moses. You might as well, since you treat the blood of the Lamb as that of a bull or a goat that only coverers your ongoing sinning, rather than washing you clean.

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The law of Christ says this
Love the lord your God with all your heart mind and soul. and love your neighbor (which includes your enemy) as yourself. and that we love because he loved first.

In this contains ALL the law and prophets.

I am not rejecting the law my friend. Once again you bear false witness.

Its funny how you keep attacking me of loving sin or whatever. yet almost every word you speak is breaking the 9th command.

Now I see what you mean by watering down the law of God, by not believing sinning in point is sinning in all pints, and the wage for sinning is death of the soul.

Watering down the law usually means doing away with certain parts of it.

You of course do neither. You just do away with the law of Scripture period, so you are a law to yourself by what you write in your own mind by your own faith alone.

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I am not the one saying I can sin all I want. and as long as I confess it or do some act of penance or whatever must be done, I am ok.

Thats you my friend.

Not until the serpent taught it to them.

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The serpent taught them they would not die.

He deceived eve with this lie and because of it. She died.

the serpent did not teach them OSAS..

Keep on talking man, You destroy your own argument by all your false witness and illogical arguments

I'm not OSAS.

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I know.

Your a modern day pharisee trying to earn the gift of life.. which can not be earned

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Behold said:

The 2nd Advent, is after the Rapture.
So, that means it has to occur before the Tribulation begins.

See, the 2nd Advent, is Christ coming to do this...."""Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power"""

So, its really not possible for Christ to be doing that to the "Church". as he would be destroying the body of Christ.

No worries, the body of Christ wont be here, as they are already Gone.

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Dan 2 says the second advent will be the end, when christ returns
Jesus in matt 24. says he will come at the end of the great tribulation. because if he did not come, no flesh would survive..

Behold said:

"endure to the end"" of the Tribulation.

Try not to be there.

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Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

mend of the world and second coming
Tribulation is not mentioned until verse 21

Behold said:

The 2nd Advent is not the Rapture.

During the Rapture, the Saints go UP.
The trib, is down here.

Not the same event.

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I never said it was.

I said the second advent happens AFTER the tribulation.

Behold said:

Look at it like this...

the "gospel of the Kingdom" is not preached in the "Time of the Gentiles'.
How do you know?
Because the WORLD does not end, at the end of the Time of the Gentiles.
So, that is why during the Time of the Gentile, I preach, and any real minister preaches...'Paul's Gospel", the "gospel of the GRACE OF GOD">... as Paul is the "Gentile Apostle", not the Tribulation Apostle.

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the church is eternal as Christ who founded her is eternal

“all” one savior one gospel one salvation for all! Lk 2:10-11

10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.

“all people”

there is not a gentile salvation different from a tribulation salvation!

The church is One:

Isaiah 9:7
Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

Isa 22:21-22

21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.

22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. (Matt 16:18-19)

Dan 2:44
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, (acts 2:17 began at Pentecost) that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Lk 1:32-33 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat: (plural Peter and his successors)
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.


Mt 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

John 17:17-23
that they may be one as we are one.

Romans 12:5
so we, who are many, are one body in Christ.

Rom 15:6

1 Corinthians 1:10
I appeal to you... that there be no dissensions among you, but that
you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 12:12
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

1 Corinthians 12:13
by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body.

1 Corinthians 12:20
But now are they many members, yet but one body.

Eph 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Ephesians 4:4
There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Colossians 3:15
Let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, to which indeed you were
called in the one body.

Philippians 1:27
Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

Philippians 2:2
be of same the mind, having the same love, being in full accord and of one mind.






The church is Holy:


The church is Holy because Her founder is God, and Holy is His name.

She is the spotless bride of Christ.

1 Timothy 3:15
know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.

Colossians 1:18
And he [Jesus] is the head of the body, the church.

1 Peter 2:9-10
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people
belonging to God... Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God.

Ephesians 2:19-22
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.


The church is Catholic: (universal)

Jn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jn 3:17
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Jn 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Matt 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Matt 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

Matt 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matt 28:18-20
And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.

Mark 16:15-16
And he said to them, Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Jn 1:9
That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Jn 4:42
And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.

Jn 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Jn 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Jn 8:12
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Jn 10:36
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world...

Jn 12:47

And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world

Jn 16:12-13
I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them
now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

2 cor 5:18
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us (the whole world) to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

World = Universal = Catholic

Behold said:

Christians have already "overcome" by being Born again.

1 John 5:4

"""For whatever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that HAS OVERCOME the world—our faith.

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The problem with all thse empty teachings is that everything is always in the past, not in the present doing of it. They forbid trying not to sin, without going on to how not to sin. They have overcome the world, while sinning with the world.

They don't teach against abstaining from the appearance of evil, but against appearing to resist evil of the devil.

There is no there, there, to all their airy words.

All Scripture is of present tense in relationship with the Lord: He that is doing righteousness is righteous. He that is committing sin is of the devil. He that has faith is overcoming the world.

Behold said:

There are many "doctrines of devils", Hebrews 13:9 that people teach on forums.
Most of them belong to a cult.
One of these "heresies", regards taking a verse in Matthew, ..whereby Jesus talking about the Great Tribulation... .and these heretics try to use this verse deceptively AGAINST the Born again, to attempt to get them caught up in self saving. = Legalism.
Legalism is the Devi's Gospel.
If these deceivers can do that do you, they have broken your faith in Christ, and that is what they are trying to do to anyone who is really born again.

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I'm not sure what you mean. How are Christians now and those in the great tribulation different? How can the great tribulation be against born again Christians? How is the great tribulation used to teach legalism? What is self saving? How does faith in Christ get broken? We either believe Jesus is the Christ or we don't.