Satans Ultimate Lie

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Brett

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Right under everyones very noses Satans lie has been taking place.The whole world , nearly, has fallen for it.If you can handle it, read the attachment.Its not coming , its here.
 

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That is a good point , but I believe Satan's Ultimate lie to us is that nothing is going on in the Spirit world.There is no spiritual war going on, so you really do'nt need to pray that much because it won't change any thing!
 

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Right under everyones very noses Satans lie has been taking place.The whole world , nearly, has fallen for it.If you can handle it, read the attachment.Its not coming , its here.
Satan's ultimate lie was Satan's very first lie.Genesis 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
 

Brett

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RND, how do you justify your churches propogation of the image?Your religion leans heavily upon images in your pamphlets.You guys claim that you are spot on because you keep the commandments.But you dont, no way do you. You break the one that says no images.Dont come back with "but its not graven" because we all know that an image is an image is an image whether it be graven, picture, photo, sculpture or whatever. Your church my friend is as much off track as the others in accepting the Roman Catholic imagery of the beast.Whether or not I chose to use the word "ultimate, grand, master or whatever, people like yourselves who have no real come back will pick that word or others apart to make my whole point look worthless and in doing so perform the work of Satan himself in bringing Gods Holy Truths into dissrepute.The fact is you and millions of others bow to the beast and the Roman Catholic images of Satan and propogate it across the world in you literature as do almost all other churches. You accept it, copy it, give it out, sell it, wear it and look upon it as if it were the very Lord Himself.I merely am a bringer of Gods messages, a parrot, a warner.I can only surmise that those who oppose these Biblical warnings which I deliver with Biblical references which are fully backed up by both "witnesses", the Old and New Testaments, are in opposition to the real truth and do not bear the mark of a true Christian.
 

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RND, how do you justify your churches propogation of the image?
Is it an image that is being bowwed down too and worshipped? If not, then it is not a graven image. What does the commandment say?Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me;The word graven here in the Strong's is number 6459 and the word is pecel meaning idol.If these 'pictures' are not being bowed down to and worshipped then they are not idols. Also, an idol isn't necessarily a statue or picture or such but anything that takes away from worship of the Lord.
Your religion leans heavily upon images in your pamphlets.
So. I don't worship pamphlets.
You guys claim that you are spot on because you keep the commandments.But you dont, no way do you. You break the one that says no images.
Well, if that's true, then I guess that makes two of us. You don't keep all the commandments either!
Dont come back with "but its not graven" because we all know that an image is an image is an image whether it be graven, picture, photo, sculpture or whatever.
Sure, I agree. But the difference is I don't bow down and worship these picture or images.Do you see the difference?
Your church my friend is as much off track as the others in accepting the Roman Catholic imagery of the beast.
And you accept there day of worship, so......
Whether or not I chose to use the word "ultimate, grand, master or whatever, people like yourselves who have no real come back will pick that word or others apart to make my whole point look worthless and in doing so perform the work of Satan himself in bringing Gods Holy Truths into dissrepute.
And you are making a railing accusation against another withour any proof, therefore you are no better than those you claim to be better than.See how that works?Check the mote in your eye first before trying to get the speak out of my eye brother.
The fact is you and millions of others bow to the beast and the Roman Catholic images of Satan and propogate it across the world in you literature as do almost all other churches.
And your attending service on Sunday doesn't pay homage to the beast? For goodness sake man I attend a church without so much as a cross on it.
You accept it, copy it, give it out, sell it, wear it and look upon it as if it were the very Lord Himself.
You must be mistaken my friend.
I merely am a bringer of Gods messages, a parrot, a warner.
And I suspect not a very good one.
I can only surmise that those who oppose these Biblical warnings which I deliver with Biblical references which are fully backed up by both "witnesses", the Old and New Testaments, are in opposition to the real truth and do not bear the mark of a true Christian.
So, can I assume from now on you'll be observing all the commandments of the decologue instead of just nine?
 

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John 4:22-24 (King James Version) 22.Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23.But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24.God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
The first commandment is this Exodus 20:1-6 (King James Version) 1.And God spake all these words, saying, 2.I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3.Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 4.Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5.Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; 6.And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.Jesus said that the two commandments he gave summed up the whole of the law and teachings of the prophets. I do not accept any idol or image be it in a church or in the world as that of Christ or God. I do not like crucifix's and I do not like figures in churches. Why? Because God is real to me as is Christ.They are alive and they are not reflected or found in images but in the hearts of his children. If you know God why would you need an image to bring him to mind. Worshipping God in Spirit and truth requires him living with you.Jesus said, " If you obey my commandments, I will come unto you and reveal myself to you, and the Father and I will come and live with you."It is in the fulness of the truth spoke by Christ that true believers do not accept a second best. They love truth so much that they accept no placebo faith, and so are not deceived by the world or man.Faithful.
 

jodycour

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What about pride? This is a sin that is just as dispicaple to God as Murder and Homosexuality! Same with Anger!The Law was sent to us to show us that we are incapable of keeping them!We need the blood of Jesus continually, because all have fallen short and continue to fall short of the Glory of God.Jesus said, Love covers a multitude of sin!We focus way too much on judging each other than loving one another, dispite our faults,and short comings, and ignorance!Praise Jesus for His Precious Blood!
 

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What about pride? This is a sin that is just as dispicaple to God as Murder and Homosexuality! Same with Anger!The Law was sent to us to show us that we are incapable of keeping them!We need the blood of Jesus continually, because all have fallen short and continue to fall short of the Glory of God.Jesus said, Love covers a multitude of sin!We focus way too much on judging each other than loving one another, dispite our faults,and short comings, and ignorance!Praise Jesus for His Precious Blood!
The law was sent to show us what sin was and convict us of our sins.As Paul teaches, when the law came we died.Are the things like pride and murder of the flesh or the Spirit?
Galatians 5:16-26 (King James Version) 16.This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17.For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18.But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19.Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20.Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21.Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22.But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23.Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24.And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25.If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26.Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
The truth teaches us when in the Spirit we do the things of the Spirit.No one in Christ should be deliberately sinning and making excuses.:naughty: But we who walk in light change our lives and walk in the right paths of God.:angel9:
 

jodycour

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I was'nt trying to justify sin, we just seem to be so caught up in judging one another that we forget that we all fall short and could not follow the Laws with out Jesus help and His blood to cover us when we do fall!
 

alaskadrifter

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I just finished reading it. Lots of food for thought, I've never thought of it that way. But I would have to agree that Satan's ultimate lie was in the garden. It would also be nice if we could get through a thread without finger-pointing. So if BOTH of you could knock it off, that would be great.
 

tim_from_pa

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I've been thinking for a long time about so-called images of Jesus. Nobody knows what he looked like but scripture suggests he was not a Tom Cruise, or better yet Robert Powell with glistening, hypnotic eyes that captivates as he tells his parables. (Isaiah 53:2). Although I grew up in a home with a picture of Jesus, we do not have one hanging in our home. Needless to say, back in the hippie days, that picture became a thorn in my parents sides when I wanted to have long hair too.
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Our church has a picture of Salvador Dali's "the Last Supper" hanging in one of the rooms. As zany as Dali was, I asked my wife to look at his picture of Christ. There is a young man, not overly attractive, and cleanshaven. I asked her if it would bother her if Christ really looked like that? Of course our answer was "no" (even if Dali's depiction may be all wet) because if appearance mattered, that would be on the line with idolatry IMO.I get a kick out of the different Jesus pictures that are out there. One can almost tell what denomination, branch or cult of Christianity portrayed him. We have one Jesus walking barefooted with a lamb in one arm and a staff in the other with his loving head cocked to one side. We have another Jesus ascending to heaven with his robe flapping in the wind like the crackling of a flag on a pole. Funny thing is he always manages to keep the thing down and under control at all times. Others portray Jesus with his hair neatly combed and styled and a perfectly groomed, pointed beard.You get the idea.
 

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this was a good read for me...good point.Here is a fact though...God is a spirit, an entity, we understand him not... so we must praise him in spirit with our spirit, we cannot connect to god with flesh; for the spirit revokes the flesh, and that of the flesh also revokes the spirit...in saying that, it is true that those depictions are universally accepted, and whosoever worships them is in violation of this scripture:Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. ^^because we were NOT to make any image...period...read this:Isaiah 53:2-42For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.This is really the way we should look at jesus, i learned this recently...so i dont accept the "wordly" depiction of jesus, for doth not the bible say- 'you should not conform to the ways of this world'- i hope you all know that "conforming" would also mean accepting the worldy picture of jesus christ...(thought)I believe your post brett...:pray4: thank you for your wisdom
 

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If you know Christ in your heart why would anyone seek or need worldly pictures. I believe like the pharisees and sadducees, alot do not enter the Kingdom of heaven and prevent others from doing so because of their teachings not being in line with Gods.:angel9:
 

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He looks like the same person in the Shroud of Turin that's why Tim! :sign:
Hi Doppleganger!Yes, I will admit that the face from the shroud definitely passes Isaiah 53:2 criteria! I definitely did not think that was Robert Powell's face!
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Jordan

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Sure I agree with that making graven images (of Him) is a sin. In fact, you see many of them probably in churches. The worst is the one with "Jesus" with long hair...especially with "Jesus" with brown hair. (Jesus never had brown hair...) I hate it when the world (people) makes an image(s) of Jesus.God will not be mocked.Besides Satan's ultimate lie was in the garden.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus (Yahshua) our Lord and Saviour.
 

ch3velle

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though Satan has an infinite supply of lies at his disposal, one of the most effective it seems is that "God does not exist."
 

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2Co:11:13: For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.:14: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light . . . Many who assume they "believe in Jesus" don't !How does this come about ?Their church puts a slant on what this means and they never hear any different and they don't bother tio check things for themselves, that's how.The slant is "believe he died for your sins, accept him as your personal savior and you are saved".But Jesus said we must be re-born of the Holy Spirit to receive Him & his salvation, and we would know when this happens:-Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. . . . The wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound thereof, but cannot tell whence it comes, and whither it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. (John 3:5-8)He that believes on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) (John 7:38-39)-That's what Jesus says about believers in him !Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. (John 14:17-20)- That's what Jesus says about receiving Jesus !"they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance . . . Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear . . . For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." (Acts 2:4, 33, 39)- That's How what Jesus said was (and is) fulfilled.I hope you will gladly receive and pass on this "all to all" message, the alternative is "blind leaders of the blind"."And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues" (Mark 16:15-17)