Born Again = Not a Sinner

Unbeliever are not under the law of Christ.

For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.)

The world is not under the law of God. The world is without the law of Christ. And without the law they perish, because they have no hope of doing the law to be justified by Christ.

And so now, the gracemongerers want to be without law and yet not perish, so that they teach the only ones responsible to the law of Christ are the heathen, and the only ones not responsible to Him are His own people.

And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant: I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you. And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass.

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

The pride of OSAS is not breakable, because it will not be corrected.

This thread is truly great for showing the last straws of OSAS rebels hiding under grace:

Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

Behold said:

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Reader..

To understand why a born again person has been made free from sin, is to first understand that "God made Jesus to become Sin" for them.
So...You have to understand that this has happened regarding all the Born again. = Jesus BECAME all their Sin.
This is why Paul teaches you that "the old man of Sin, is CRUCIFIED with CHRIST", and the born again are to "reckon him DEAD".

John does. And that is why he wrote this..

1 John 3:9 says that the born again cannot sin.

Paul does.. and that is why he wrote this..

Romans 4:8 says that God does not charge sin to the born again.

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1) .Here is a part of the "sin" understanding..

Unbelievers, are "under the Law", and the LAW's Dominion is what defines you as a SINNER, and your DEEDS as "SIN">

The Born again, are "not under the law, but UNDER GRACE"...
This means that they exist in the Kingdom of God, "under GRACE".... and there is no LAW found there, or Commandments.
See, there is no Moses Law or 10 Commandments found in HEAVEN, as ... Does God need them?
Not quite.
So, because of this, there is no defining a deed as "Sin", regarding a born again person who literally exists here : "seated in HEAVENLY Places, IN Christ".
All the born again exist : "IN Christ".
Where is Christ?
= Saint, where He is, is where you are also, if you are born again.
And there is NO SIN FOUND THERE..

2.) Here is another part of the "sin" understanding..

Before Adam FELL, he was sinless, and RIGHTEOUS.
When Jesus came, as the 2nd ADAM.....>He provided righteousness that was His own, to all the born again, and BECAME their SIN...on The Cross.
See that?
That is the "divine Exchange"..
So, when you become "the righteousness of God in Christ"... having received "the GIFT of RIGHTEOUSNESS"... then you now EXIT as that for eternity.. = Born Again.
THis is why the Born again will meet God as FATHER, and never as eternal Judge.


3.) Here is another part of the "sin" understanding.

Paul, when speaking to the believers....refers to their carnal deeds as "works of the flesh". He does not call them SIN., and that is because they are not under the Law, and so their wrong deeds are not defined as sin...
HE then says.....>"misuse not the Grace of God... (the forgiveness for all your sin)... this LIBERTY...to >choose< to enjoy a work of the flesh".

See that "work of the flesh"? That is how "under GRACE" defines it.

But if you are not born again, then the LAW has dominion over you, and so that deed is defined by the Law as "SIN".

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Are you doing or not doing the works of the flesh anymore?

Taken said:

I have never said Christ takes away “my future sin.”
I have never said “when I sin Christ does not see it”.



So in your words, not mine, you claim, you see me...
Living unrighteously, continuing in sin and immoral.



I do not speak for you, but yes, I do acknowledge our differences of beliefs.
I do know what I have done to receive Gods promise.
I do trust God is faithful and has given me that which He promised.
That which God promised and gave me was His Spirit of Truth; Jesus; in me; and His Spirit of Power; Christ; in me; and His Seed of rebirth; Christ; in me. And His express teaching of the result of what He has given me;
1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1 John 4:
[6] We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

And BY your observance you think that is unrighteous, sinful, immoral...
For me to trust to Believe what God has give me.



Uh huh. I do not believe God saves the saved.
I do believe God finds grace (a desire of a man to be cleansed and with God) in a man who is dead in his sin.
Eph 2:
[1] And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;




False.



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You are laughable beyond even common sense.
You say (for me) what I did not say.
You contradict yourself.
You criticize what you obviously have zero ability to differentiate between what is natural and what is spiritual.
And to boot you appear to be grossly against the Word of God.

You should try opening your ears and closing your mouth in your effort to speak for others.
If you are incapable of reading in scripture that which verifies what others say. Try using your own words and ask God, instead of using your own word and speaking For others, then criticizing what you have said for them. Gaslighter.

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You have the wrong Jesus. Seeing you teach false doctrine and another Jesus in that you teach the Dual Nature Theology or that Jesus takes away all your sin to a point where you can never sin again in God’s eyes (Which is strongly against the true grace described to us in Scripture - Titus 2:11-12, Romans 6:1-2), there is no possible way your fruit can be good. Jesus says a good tree cannot bring forth bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit. The only way a person can truly overcome sin is by the power of God, and I don’t believe you have the One true God in your life because you teach another Jesus not described in the Bible. Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments (John 15:10). You actually speak against verses like 1 John 1:9. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. In other words, you don’t believe all of the doctrine or truths in NT Scripture. You also make ridiculous claims like you cannot sin against other people because all sin is done towards God. While I agree that all sin is ultimately done towards God, it does not mean we cannot sin against another person. Your understanding of Scripture is in far left field somewhere. It’s why I strive not to have any discussions with you. I only speak now so as to warn others about you. Jesus warned against how sin can destroy our souls (Matthew 5:28-30) (Matthew 6:15) (Matthew 12:37) (Matthew 25:31-46) (Luke 9:62). Even the apostle Paul taught against how certain sins can prevent us from inheriting the Kingdom of God (Galatians 5:19-21). Paul even said if we do not provide for our own, we have denied the faith, and we are worse than an infidel (unbeliever) (1 Timothy 5:8). Paul believed that he had to keep his body under subjection otherwise if he preached to others he could be a cast away (Meaning, he would not be saved if he did not prevent his body from not sinning) (See: 1 Corinthians 9:27). But you teach contrary to all that and say you cannot sin because you have a belief alone in Jesus as your Savior, etcetera.

Taken said:

LOL,
that is one of the Stupidest commentaries I have ever seen!

“No need of good works or following the commandments of God”?

Belief......IS the WORKS......DUH!
Acceptance ... IS Obeying the COMMANDMENT of SERVICE....DUH!

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This is a news flash in the first time I heard you speak about how Belief is Works, and acceptance is obeying the commandment of service.
If this is the case, then why are you speaking against what I teach or what others who are for doing the work of faith and obeying God as a part of salvation? This seems like you are changing your tune here. I have read many of your posts and this is not real evident that you make this fact or point clear. You need to do that more if you truly believe that. But I don’t think you really do believe this because of what you said before.

For you said many times that you cannot sin. You said that confessing sin is even pointless. You said you were SAVED past tense. This means you are locked into salvation and this implies that you really don’t have to worry about sin because you cannot sin because Jesus took your place on the cross for your sin. This is the bulk of many of your posts. So I am sorry I don’t buy your appeal that you are for true holiness here.

For example: If you lied…. Are you still saved?
If you had a lustful thought…. Are you still saved?
I believe that you think you are based on what you said before because you were trying to convince another not to confess sin to be forgiven of sin.

Taken said:

LOL,
that is one of the Stupidest commentaries I have ever seen!

“No need of good works or following the commandments of God”?

Belief......IS the WORKS......DUH!
Acceptance ... IS Obeying the COMMANDMENT of SERVICE....DUH!

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Also,…. People don’t have your same exact belief as you do.
George Sodini and his church did not teach you had to do any works to be saved but to believe alone in Jesus for salvation. That’s it.
That was the problem and this type of belief has spread like a cancer to many giving them a license to sin.
George Sodini ended up killing people and taking his own life thinking he was saved by this belief.
Many today think they can sin and still be saved by just believing in Jesus as their Savior. You have expressed a similar belief in that you think you cannot sin because Jesus saved you in the past.

Taken said:

LOL,
that is one of the Stupidest commentaries I have ever seen!

“No need of good works or following the commandments of God”?

Belief......IS the WORKS......DUH!
Acceptance ... IS Obeying the COMMANDMENT of SERVICE....DUH!

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Do you believe George Sodini was saved?
George Sodini expressed that he believed Jesus was his Savior and it was not by works.
He appeared to have a similar belief as you in that he did not think his sin was going to be held to his account because of his belief in Jesus.

Taken said:

Funny...no one standing in OSAS, has claimed it’s a Pride thing...
Makes you look small and defeated when you have to make up lies.



LOL. Oh, oh, the scandal...The SAVED cloaked in Gods Grace!

Your standing AGAINST eternal Salvation...is very sad.

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Babies go to Heaven, right?
So at what point do we become unsaved between being a baby and a believer?
I believe it is sin. When we are old enough to be held accountable to sin it then changes things.
Sin is what separates us from God. So we needed to reconcile with the Lord Jesus, and then we have to remain faithful to Him.
For if we were once saved as a baby and we later became lost on our way to becoming a believer and saved again… then… salvation is conditional.
If salvation was unconditional, then we would be saved our whole lives based on God knowing we would accept Him as the Savior.
But that does not make any sense.

Taken said:

You make false accusations.

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I don’t believe I am wrong to say you believe in another Jesus because nowhere did Jesus or the apostles teach that God does not see a believer’s sin once they are saved (Which is implied by many of your repeated writings or posts).

You said:

You make false accusations.
Dual Nature Theology? LOL
I’ve never mentioned that or know what that is.

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Dual Nature Theology is the false belief that a believer is a slave to their sinful nature as a part of their physical body, and they can sin physically, but their spirit cannot sin because all their sins were paid for by Jesus Christ. They cannot sin on a spiritual level. Sorry, I did jump the gun on this one with you. There is a chance that you may not actually believe this exact doctrine. So my apologies if that is not exactly what you believe. But you did express before that you are not capable of sinning because you have been saved by Jesus in the past (in that He died in your place, etc.).

You said:

So...
I believe Gods Word...(1 John 3:9) and You do not Believe Gods Word.

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

...bottom Line...I believe God......NOT your anti-God rhetoric.

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It’s not saying that you are not capable of sinning in the eyes of God if you do physically sin in the eyes of other people. That’s not what it is saying. It’s talking about committing sin in the sense of justifying sin willfully. For if we willfully sin after we received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sin (See: Hebrews 10:26). Also… John says if we hate our brother we are like a murderer, and no murderer has eternal life abiding in him (1 John 3:15). So your whole interpretation in that you cannot sin (when you do sin) is false. If things are as you say: John would say you are not capable of hating your brother even if you did hate your brother. You have things twisted out of context here.

Not one of these again! lol

thelord's_pearl said:

Not one of these again! lol

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What do you think of George Sodini?
Was this man saved?

Read this article here to learn more about him.

O.S.A.S. – THE WATCHMAN'S CRY

Taken said:

Not my problem you have not read what I have said multiple times on multiple posts.
(Remember you have a juvenile issue with reading my posts because of my avatar and using upper case letters.)

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I looked at post #44 and your previous words that believing is works is a sham. You said in that post that believing is a work (singular).
This is the only work you believe in doing. So your previous words on believing being works (plural) made it appear like you for doing good, but it really isn’t. It was a mirage or an illusion to make you look good when in reality you are teaching God’s grace takes away sin forever (opening the door to turning God’s grace into a license to sin).

As for the upper case letters:

You have improved on this a bit. So thank you (I guess). But before it was pretty bad (No offense). Most people take the excessive use of capitalized words in a writing as either shouting, juvenile thinking, or somebody who simply just has bad grammar, and or they are simply uneducated modern day barbarians.

As for the avatar:

Most people are worldly and probably don’t care. But I care because black empty eyes are the symbol of evil. Why you want people to make some people give that impression is beyond me. Note: People cannot tell it is cookies. But we had this discussion before and I am not expecting you to change. The Bible says avoid any appearance of evil. But I am sure that no sin is accounted to your charge so you don’t have to worry about that. With your belief, you can be your own god and God is not going to hold it against you because he does not see your sin.

You said:

What you think I believe, is falsely twisted by you.

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I would encourage you to share what you think I got wrong about what you believe because I don’t want to get your beliefs wrong (even if I disagree with them strongly). I believe in being fair about what a person actually believes and I don’t want to falsely accuse them of something they don’t actually believe.

Bible Highlighter said:

For you said many times that you cannot sin.

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You said:

Correct. I am in agreement with Gods Word and have ZERO issue with proclaiming my agreement with God.

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So you would say that you believed similar to George Sodini?
Do you think Sodini was saved if he was in fact genuine in his belief that Jesus saves him?

Bible Highlighter said:

You said that confessing sin is even pointless.

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You said:

That IS utterly FALSE!

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You said, I quote:


~ Quote by: Taken.

While you believe in confessing sin, it is only one time, and it is not in how the Bible describes confessing sin. David confessed his sin and he was not being saved for the first time. 1 John 1:9 is not dealing with initial salvation because John is talking to the brethren, and he is telling them to also “sin not” but if they do sin they have an advocate that they can go to (1 John 2:1). To do what? Even the Lord’s Prayer involves our seeking forgiveness of our debts (sins) with the Lord. So when I said you see confessing sins is pointless, I was referring to the biblical version or idea of that practice. For you were trying to convince another not to confess of sin again if they sinned after being a believer.

You said:

Jesus on the Cross was His Offering, His Body, His Blood.
I believe He is the Christ and His Offering IS from God.
I accepted His Blood for my forgiveness.
I agreed to give My Body same as Jesus did.
AND BECAUSE ... I accomplished my works and my service...
I received Gods Promise of His Baptism and Conversion and Gift of Salvation.

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No. Paul says shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound? Paul says, God forbid (Romans 6:1-2).
Titus 2:11-12 says God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world.
Grace gives us the ability to do the work (See: 1 Corinthians 15:10).
If we walk in the light as he is in the light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7).
Walking in the light is loving your brother according to the indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11.
So you have to love your brother (walk in the light) to continue to be cleansed by the blood of Jesus.
So it’s not a done deal in the past and you don’t have to worry about your salvation anymore because all you have to do is believe in Jesus.
That’s not how things work.