What is the rule of faith for Christians?

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theefaith

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He can say whatever he wants.
What the Catholic church did is quite another thing.
I surely do not agree with pope Agatho that his church "never turned from the way of truth nor held any kind of error".

you’re not a competent observer
 

theefaith

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These things are not in dispute.
What we don't agree with is the Catholic church is the church.

but you don’t know what is?

Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5

Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Rev 21: 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

Matt 21:43 taken from Israel given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20


1 Peter 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Christ is king and has all authority and dominion!

Christ appointed Peter, the apostles, and their successors to govern the church and administer the kingdom until He returns in glory!

Submission and obedience to them is submission and obedience to Christ!

Like Joseph under pharaoh the king and his brothers bowed in obedience to Him as God willed!

But Protestant fundamentalists will not, for satan the first Protestant was in rebellion against God saying: I will not serve! I will not obey!

So who is you’re leader?

All those who submit and obey are Christ’s!
 

theefaith

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Every saved, born again believer is 'the church'.
What we disagree with is your narrow, elitist definition of the church and how it is only through it that one can know and discern the truth. The Catholic church hierarchy gets in the way of the personal relationship that Christ has with the members of his own body.

none are saved until death!

Matt 24:13 endures to the end.

Mark 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

1. Romans 11:22 – God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness

2. Colossians 1:21-23 – holy and blameless, if you continue in the faith"

3. The race of faith: the example of Paul

4. Hebrews 12:22-25: "we shall not escape if we turn away from Him"

5. Hebrews 4:1-3, 9-12: "strive to enter the rest of God"

6.Hebrews 6:4-9 – those who became partakers of the holy spirit and fell away

7. Hebrews 10:23-29, 35-39: "if we sin willfully", "if anyone draws back".

8. Matthew 24:13: He that endures to the end, the same shall be saved

9. Hebrews 3:4-6: Holding fast our confidence firm until the end

10. Matthew 24:13: "But the one who endures to the end will be saved"

11. 1 John 2:24-25 – "if what you heard from the beginning abides in you"

12. 2 John 8-9 : to "everyone who goes on ahead and does not abide in the teaching of Christ

13. 2 Peter 1:5-11 : "Make every effort to supplement your faith"

14. Philippians 2:12-16: "work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

15. 1 Timothy 6:10-16: the love of money

16. Galatians 5:2-4 "Severed from Christ"

17. 2 Timothy 2:11-13: "if we deny him, he will also deny us"

18. James 5:19-20: the wandered brother

19. Some will abandon the faith

20. 1 Timothy 5:8: "he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever"

22. The real family of Jesus: "Those who hear the Word of God and do it"

23. 1 Corinthians 5:5: "so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord"

24. Peter 2: "It would have been better for them never to have known the way of righteousness"

25. Jude: "Turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness" - a much relevant warning

26. 1 Cor. 9:27 ....Lest I myself might become a castaway

27. Heb 1:14 shall be heirs of salvation

Romans 1:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
(Must remain obedient)

(He who endured to the end) one who dies in a state of grace united to Jesus Christ by faith and baptism!
Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38 1 pet 3:21
Matt 24:13


Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

So salvation by “faith alone” is completely false and impossible if baptism is rejected!
 

theefaith

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Correct. That is JAMES' argument, not Paul's. No man is SHOWN to be righteous (justified) by faith that is alone and does not work.

Paul's argument is that a man is MADE righteous (justified) by faith without works.

Two entirely DIFFERENT arguments. The Catholic church can't see the difference between the two definitions and usages of the word 'justified' so they came up with a false doctrine to make James agree with Paul as if they were using the same meaning of the word 'justified'. And so what they ended up with was a doctrine that says a man is justified by faith and works, saying that faith is works as if they were one and the same thing (they are not). By doing that they effectively led their movement down the path of a false gospel that can not save, the gospel of works justification/salvation.

Faith alone? No
Faith and works? No
Works alone? No
Faith and works united to Christ thru grace? Yes!

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
 

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Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
 

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Servants called, gifted, and sent by God to do that in the various offices he has established in the body of Christ. To point, the Catholic leadership is NOT those servants.

thats not biblical God sent Christ the first apostle, after that Christ sent the apostles with Peter as head of the church on earth, then the apostles have authority to send more apostles

God give a spiritual call and grace to men but God does not Send anyone, the apostles approve and send them
 

Ferris Bueller

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you said Bible alone!

You and Luther don’t seem to know that the word alone means ALONE!
I forgot that 'Christ' means 'the Catholic church hierarchy' to you, lol.
For you 'Christ' is synonymous with 'the Catholic church hierarchy'.
For me 'Christ' is synonymous with 'the word of scripture'.
 

Ferris Bueller

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They did not go to Jerusalem and preach “accept Christ as you’re personal Lord and savior “

They went to the river (water) and they baptized! Jn 3:22

A covenant requires an outward sign of the inward action of grace!
Who told you non-Catholics don't baptize?
We're the ones who do it as the outward sign and declaration of inward grace. You Catholics are the ones who do it to literally earn salvation.
 

Ferris Bueller

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1 pet 3:21 baptism saves you.
If Peter meant baptism earns salvation then he would be in direct contradiction to Paul, in which case we can all just throw our Bibles away and go back to our sins and forget about the Christian faith. Catholic interpretation of scripture creates contradictions in scripture.