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This is a references work on the Sabbath Law.

In 2008 my Sunday School class comprising of 12 young adults ranging from 18-25 spent the year considering Genesis 1-3 including this work on the Sabbath.

The class raised a number of question and answers on the subject, which I hope to post over coming months.

The Sabbath Law - what was it?

Gen 2:2-3 God rested on seventh day and blessed and sanctified it.

Exodus 35:2 Commands given to make it a holy day of rest to Yahweh – if worked you would die!

Exodus 20:8-11 Six days to work, seven to rest as God did.

Num 15:30-31 Any ignore Gods laws with a high hand will be cut of Num 15:35 Man gathering sticks on seventh day.

Mark 2:27 Sabbath day made for man to teach him principles.

How long did God intend this Sabbath Law to continue?

Exodus 31:16-17 God only intended law to continue for a hidden period. (Exodus 31:16NET Exo 31:17NET)

Gal 3:19 Law was only added till seed should come.

Gal 3:24 It was given as a school master to bring us to Christ

Why Don’t we need to keep Sabbath Law today?

Gal 3:24 Law was given to bring us to Christ

Heb 10:1 Law a shadow not substance

Col 2:17 Sabbath a shadow of things to come

Gal 2:14 Question asked why Gentiles should live as Jews

Rom 3:19 Only applied to those under the law

Col 2:14 Christ took the law out of the way

Gal 3:19 Law a teacher till Christ comes

Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law

2 Cor 3:6 Keep the spirit of the law not the letter

Num 28:8 Priest did double the work on Sabbath day and were blameless

John 5:16-17 Christ worked on the Sabbath day doing his Father’s work which was to restore then Sabbath rest. We must keep Sabbath principles seven days a week

“Christ kept the Sabbath Principles perfectly”

John 5:30 Refrained from doing his pleasure

Psalm 40:8 Saw law of God as a delight

John 17:4 honoured his Father always

John 4:34 Ceased from doing his own works

John 14:10 Did not speak his own words

Heb 4:9-10 There remains a Sabbath keeping for us

John 5:16,17 Man broke the Sabbath in Eden – Christ given to restore it
 

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Within each of the days are hidden profound principles for us to learn and live by. They are not always clearly stated but certainly if we dig they become highly apparent.

Careful reading of the Bible is required to find these living principles.

Read Genesis 2:1,2,3

[sup]1[/sup]Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [sup]2[/sup]And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [sup]3[/sup]And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Principle: (Oxford Dictionary) is a fundamental truth which we can use as a basis of reasoning.

Divine principles are the fundamental building blocks of God’s very Character and hopefully if we take them and make them our own they become the building blocks for our life .

Why did God cease creating? Why did he stop at the end of the 6[sup]th[/sup] Day? Of course the answer is straight forward, in that He had finished His work and completed the works, which he had in Mind to do.

The Hebrew word rendered "Finished" {kalah) comprises two ideas; cessation and completeness as revealed in all that was accomplished.

Typically speaking it points forward when God will bring to completion His work with humanity and creation. Through His suffering servant, He brought to successful completion the requirements of redemption.

"God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself (2 Cor. 5:19); so that on the eve of his sacrifice, the Lord was able to report: "I have finished the work which Thou gavest me to do" (John 17:4). On the cross itself, he uttered the words: "It is finished" (John 19:30).

We have the assurance of the accomplishment of the work of redemption in us, for Paul taught: "He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" (Phil. 1:6). He will perform it, if we give ourselves readily to him. And so Paul continues: "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure" (Phil.2:12-13).

The finished work of the natural creation typifies that of the spiritual creation, so that the Spirit introduces Christ as the "beginning of the creation of God" (Rev. 3:14).

As we shall see this principle of a finished work is essential in understanding the desired rest.

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So His purpose was to complete the works in the six days and then He planned to rest on the seventh day. Because His work finished and that work which he purposed to do was to "Fill the Earth with his glory". Num 14:21 cmp Hab 2:14

So the Earth was filled with his glory.

So with all that was done what did God actually do on the Sabbath Day?
 
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Some very good passages unearthed by your students, Insight. For brevity's sake I'll only address a couple of points.

How long did God intend this Sabbath Law to continue?

Exodus 31:16-17 God only intended law to continue for a hidden period. (Exodus 31:16NET Exo 31:17NET)

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. (emphasis mine)

Where is the "hidden" timeframe in the above passage? "Perpetual" and "throughout their generations" seems rather self-explanatory to me. And aren't Christian believers to be included in the blessings of 'the children of Israel'?



Gal 3:19 Law was only added till seed should come.

There are a number of different kinds of Law. Ceremonial law, food & cleanliness laws, moral law, the Ten Commandments, etc. Why should all the other nine commandments remain viable for Christians and the Sabbath be excluded?



Gal 3:24 It was given as a school master to bring us to Christ


Christ observed the Sabbath, why shouldn't we follow in His footsteps?


Why Don’t we need to keep Sabbath Law today?

Heb 10:1 Law a shadow not substance

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

The passage you quoted concerns the offering of yearly sacrifices and has NOTHING TO DO with the Sabbath. Context does matter.

Col 2:17 Sabbath a shadow of things to come

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.


Again, we must consider the context in which the word "Sabbath" appears. The previous passage provides that context. Which is about "judging others" in their performance of the Law of God. We are not to be as the Pharisees going about condemning how others observe the Sabbath or what they choose to eat or drink. But this verse does not lend credence for the elimination of the Sabbath any more than it does for the elimination of food.

Gal 2:14 Question asked why Gentiles should live as Jews

Context again, provides the clue:

Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.


These verses mention Peter's poor example concerning EATING HABITS and RESPECT OF PERSONS and has nothing to do with keeping the Sabbath or any of the other eternal Ten Commandments.


Rom 3:19 Only applied to those under the law

Col 2:14 Christ took the law out of the way

Did Christ take the Law away? If so, what laws? Not according to His own testimony:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
(emphasis mine)

The rest of the chapter, Christ, EXPANDS on the Law of God, nowhere does claim to eliminate it. Did you happen to catch that warning in BOLD TYPE?



Gal 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law

Ah, but how is 'keeping the Sabbath" to be considered "a curse"?

To the contrary:
God BLESSED the Sabbath (Gen. 2:3)

Blessed are those who keep the Sabbath holy (Isa. 56:1-7, Isa. 28:12 )


2 Cor 3:6 Keep the spirit of the law not the letter

I'm in agreement with this statement. We are to be individually led of the Holy Spirit as to how we should follow God's commandments. This does not imply, however, that we are free to ignore or dispense with any of the Ten Commandments, e.g., hallowing the Sabbath.



Num 28:8 Priest did double the work on Sabbath day and were blameless

That was the priest's 'spiritual duty'. We should, likewise, endeavor to be about Our Father's business on the Sabbath.



John 5:16-17 Christ worked on the Sabbath day doing his Father’s work which was to restore then Sabbath rest. We must keep Sabbath principles seven days a week.

Yes, Christ also told the lame man to "pick up his bed and walk" after He healed him. But you'll not find Christ or any of the disciples out fishing, gathering wood, or doing any other kind of manual labor on the Sabbath day.

The whole point of the Sabbath was to 'have a 24 hour period' (scripturally it was from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday) which was to be consecrated solely to God. I believe the Ten Commandments are purposely arranged in a hierarchical fashion. And the Sabbath, ranked at #4, should not lightly be dismissed. Those that claim to honor the Sabbath everyday are only fooling themselves and are not following Christ's example.
 

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Some very good passages unearthed by your students, Insight. For brevity's sake I'll only address a couple of points.

Thank you Forthwright.

Of course this short list of succinct summaries require further Scriptural support.

Exo 31:16 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. (emphasis mine)

Where is the "hidden" timeframe in the above passage? "Perpetual" and "throughout their generations" seems rather self-explanatory to me. And aren't Christian believers to be included in the blessings of 'the children of Israel'?

Yes a "perpetual covenant" is a "covenant of olam," one designed for continuity.

Sabbath keeping, or a resting from the works of the flesh, was fundamental to the covenant established between Yahweh and Israel. If Israel had kept the covenant based upon the law, Yahweh would have kept His part. But Israel having "broken the everlasting covenant" (Isa 24:5), there was of necessity "a change of the law" (Heb 7:12).

As you know this was accomplished in Christ. While the principles remain, they are now interpreted spiritually. You have strongly inferred the sabbath law is still binding on believers, in that they are expected to "rest" from the works of the flesh, and give themselves unto God, every day of the week, and therefore are equivalent to the priests under the law (see 1 Pet 2:9) who were exempt from the Sabbath law (Mat 12:5). Their lives were entirely given to Yahweh, not one day in seven, but in every way. So it is in Christ: every day becomes a pilgrimage to the kingdom, a resting from the works of sin to serve Yahweh.

To this you & I ought say Amen!

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

The passage you quoted concerns the offering of yearly sacrifices and has NOTHING TO DO with the Sabbath. Context does matter.

No, the reference is correct as per Exo 16:23; 20:8,9,10,11).

The Sabbath law was to apply even during the sabbatical year! Of course you wouldn’t enforce the sabbatical year also? Would you?

Would you deny the Sabbath also had a foreshadowing under the law? Your comment in relation to sacrifices having nothing to do the Sabbath is interesting. It was THE sacrifice (Jesus) who stated he was Lord of the Sabbath? (Matt 12:8) Of course I would ask how the Lord Jesus Christ became Lord of the Sabbath. How did he enter into his rest from the flesh?

I believe this will lead you to a sacrifice.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Again, we must consider the context in which the word "Sabbath" appears. The previous passage provides that context. Which is about "judging others" in their performance of the Law of God. We are not to be as the Pharisees going about condemning how others observe the Sabbath or what they choose to eat or drink. But this verse does not lend credence for the elimination of the Sabbath any more than it does for the elimination of food.

Of course you neglect to comment on “the shadow of things” not drawing us to the substance of who the Law spoke too.

The Sabbath days were a type or pattern of the Law (Heb 10:1). Paul continually warns against coming under bondage to the Law as per Gal 4:10,11; 5:1-4.

Context again, provides the clue:

Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Gal 2:13 And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation.

These verses mention Peter's poor example concerning EATING HABITS and RESPECT OF PERSONS and has nothing to do with keeping the Sabbath or any of the other eternal Ten Commandments.

"For it (Sabbath) is a sign between Me (Yahweh) and you (Israel) throughout your generations"

If one was just reading over Gal 2 :12,13 one might quickly draw to this conclusion, however the sign of the Sabbath is similar to circumcision another "sign" that the Israelites were under a special covenant with Yahweh; these signs constituted His people bound to Him by special ties (Gen 17:9- 14; Acts 7:8).

So where the sign of circumcision spoke to the Abrahamic Covenant; in comparison with the Sabbath here it became a sign of the Mosaic covenant Exod 31:12,13

Did Christ take the Law away? If so, what laws? Not according to His own testimony:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
(emphasis mine)

The rest of the chapter, Christ, EXPANDS on the Law of God, nowhere does claim to eliminate it. Did you happen to catch that warning in BOLD TYPE?

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross

What is the “it”?

Ah, but how is 'keeping the Sabbath" to be considered "a curse"?

To the contrary:

God BLESSED the Sabbath (Gen. 2:3)

Blessed are those who keep the Sabbath holy (Isa. 56:1-7, Isa. 28:12 )

It appears you have dealt will all the verses previously stated, why omit to do so here?

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: (Galatians 3:13)

Yes, Christ also told the lame man to "pick up his bed and walk" after He healed him. But you'll not find Christ or any of the disciples out fishing, gathering wood, or doing any other kind of manual labor on the Sabbath day.

Luke 6:1,2,3,4,5,6

The whole point of the Sabbath was to 'have a 24 hour period' (scripturally it was from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday) which was to be consecrated solely to God. I believe the Ten Commandments are purposely arranged in a hierarchical fashion. And the Sabbath, ranked at #4, should not lightly be dismissed. Those that claim to honor the Sabbath everyday are only fooling themselves and are not following Christ's example.

You forget the children of Israel were “commanded” never to forget the Sabbath for many reasons one of which it commemorated their deliverance from Egypt.

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. (Deuteronomy 5:15)

Who do we commemorate today in remembrance of our deliverance and why?

Let us hope and pray you are able to see past the hand writing and ordinances to a far deeper principle that saves.

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Yes a "perpetual covenant" is a "covenant of olam," one designed for continuity.


Your definition of “continuity” doesn’t appear to be very continous!


Sabbath keeping, or a resting from the works of the flesh, was fundamental to the covenant established between Yahweh and Israel. If Israel had kept the covenant based upon the law, Yahweh would have kept His part. But Israel having "broken the everlasting covenant" (Isa 24:5), there was of necessity "a change of the law" (Heb 7:12).

As you know this was accomplished in Christ. While the principles remain, they are now interpreted spiritually. You have strongly inferred the sabbath law is still binding on believers, in that they are expected to "rest" from the works of the flesh, and give themselves unto God, every day of the week, and therefore are equivalent to the priests under the law (see 1 Pet 2:9) who were exempt from the Sabbath law (Mat 12:5). Their lives were entirely given to Yahweh, not one day in seven, but in every way. So it is in Christ: every day becomes a pilgrimage to the kingdom, a resting from the works of sin to serve Yahweh.

To this you & I ought say Amen!


It is rather curious that none of the other Ten Commandments has to undergo such New Testament “spiritualization” except the one that demands a specific weekly timeframe of dedication for faithful believers.

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The passage you quoted concerns the offering of yearly sacrifices and has NOTHING TO DO with the Sabbath. Context does matter.
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No, the reference is correct as per Exo 16:23; 20:8,9,10,11).

You can’t completely skip over the book and chapter in question (in this case the tenth chapter of the Book of Hebrews) and claim you’re getting the context of a verse from another book.

Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

This verse and its context clearly speak of “sacrifices”, not one of the Ten Commandments.



The Sabbath law was to apply even during the sabbatical year! Of course you wouldn’t enforce the sabbatical year also? Would you?

The Sabbatical year pertained to allowing the land to lie fallow and rest, not humans. Not observing this divine commandment is one of the reasons why our food supplies are being depleted of the restorative vitamins and nutrients. So yes, observing the sabbatical year makes a lot of sense as well.


Would you deny the Sabbath also had a foreshadowing under the law? Your comment in relation to sacrifices having nothing to do the Sabbath is interesting. It was THE sacrifice (Jesus) who stated he was Lord of the Sabbath? (Matt 12:8) Of course I would ask how the Lord Jesus Christ became Lord of the Sabbath. How did he enter into his rest from the flesh?

I believe this will lead you to a sacrifice.

I don’t know how you are coming to that wild conclusion but I do have one question for you:
One of Jesus’ titles is “Lord of the Sabbath”. Is Jesus the Lord of day that few modern Christians care to acknowledge?


Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Again, we must consider the context in which the word "Sabbath" appears. The previous passage provides that context. Which is about "judging others" in their performance of the Law of God. We are not to be as the Pharisees going about condemning how others observe the Sabbath or what they choose to eat or drink. But this verse does not lend credence for the elimination of the Sabbath any more than it does for the elimination of food.
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Of course you neglect to comment on “the shadow of things” not drawing us to the substance of who the Law spoke too.

The Sabbath days were a type or pattern of the Law (Heb 10:1). Paul continually warns against coming under bondage to the Law as per Gal 4:10,11; 5:1-4.

I already mentioned at the beginning of the previous message that THERE ARE A NUMBER TYPES OF LAW. No one claims that they are “coming under bondage to the Law” by continuing to not use the Lord’s name in vain, refraining from stealing, murdering or coveting, etc. How is that the Fourth Commandment that is the only one of the Ten Commandments that you consider as “bondage” to the Law?


"For it (Sabbath) is a sign between Me (Yahweh) and you (Israel) throughout your generations"

If one was just reading over Gal 2 :12,13 one might quickly draw to this conclusion, however the sign of the Sabbath is similar to circumcision another "sign" that the Israelites were under a special covenant with Yahweh; these signs constituted His people bound to Him by special ties (Gen 17:9- 14; Acts 7:8).

So where the sign of circumcision spoke to the Abrahamic Covenant; in comparison with the Sabbath here it became a sign of the Mosaic covenant Exod 31:12,13


So what exactly is the sign of the New Testament covenant that you observe? Doing absolutely nothing and refusing to acknowledge the older convenant signs?

Our Heavenly Father is very practical. He knows what’s best for His creations. He knows that man needs rest and gives us a blessing of a weekly day of Sabbath rest. Many modern medical doctors also acknowledge the clinical benefits of circumcision. We shouldn’t consider continuing to receive the blessings of prior covenant signs of our spiritual forefathers as “bondage”.




Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross

What is the “it”?

The “it” was certain ordinances that were contrary to us. Again, there are a host of other biblical laws. (The Jews number them totaling 613). There is NOTHING contrary about hallowing the Sabbath. We just need to be mindful of not judging the particulars of how others sanctify that day.




How is 'keeping the Sabbath" to be considered "a curse"?

To the contrary:

God BLESSED the Sabbath
(Gen. 2:3)

Blessed are those who keep the Sabbath holy (Isa. 56:1-7, Isa. 28:12 )


It appears you have dealt will all the verses previously stated, why omit to do so here?

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: (Galatians 3:13)


You continue to pull one verse out of context to formulate your doctrines of antinomianism. Here’s the context of the “curse of the law”:

Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


“The curse” is having to do ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE LAW. Surely observing all 613 laws flawlessly would be a very burdensome task, indeed!

But many of God’s Laws are beneficial for us to observe. For instance, obeying the Ten Commandments, following the food cleanliness laws as well as circumcision. None of these elementary commandments are burdensome nor should they even vaguely be considered as “a curse” upon mankind.



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Yes, Christ also told the lame man to "pick up his bed and walk" after He healed him. But you'll not find Christ or any of the disciples out fishing, gathering wood, or doing any other kind of manual labor on the Sabbath day.
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C’mon Insight, those verses in do NOT describe “working” in any way, shape or form. Christ and His disciples were merely walking through a cornfield and plucking a few ears for refreshment on a hot Middle Eastern day. Sure, the litigious Pharisees and their scribe spies tried to find any miniscule transgression they could to accuse Jesus of breaking the Law. But don’t try and give the credence to the hypocritcal Pharisaical arguments by claiming that the righteous saints following Christ were somehow ‘working on the Sabbath’.

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The whole point of the Sabbath was to 'have a 24 hour period' (scripturally it was from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday) which was to be consecrated solely to God. I believe the Ten Commandments are purposely arranged in a hierarchical fashion. And the Sabbath, ranked at #4, should not lightly be dismissed. Those that claim to honor the Sabbath everyday are only fooling themselves and are not following Christ's example.

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You forget the children of Israel were “commanded” never to forget the Sabbath for many reasons one of which it commemorated their deliverance from Egypt.

And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. (Deuteronomy 5:15)

Who do we commemorate today in remembrance of our deliverance and why?

Let us hope and pray you are able to see past the hand writing and ordinances to a far deeper principle that saves.

Insight


God instituted the Sabbath way back on the Seven Day of Creation. The Old Testament saints observed the Sabbath. Christ and His followers observed the Sabbath. There is also a rich history of the Early Christian Church hallowing the Sabbath. And Isaiah also prophesied that the Sabbath will be observed in the future in the new heavens and new earth.

(Isa 66:22) For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

(Isa 66:23) And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.


Yet you continue teach that (for some scripturally unsupported reason) modern Christians are exempt from following the Fourth Commandment.

It is anti-nomianist Pastors, or what I refer to as “do nothing Christians”, like you that are completely out of step with what the Bible plainly teaches. You have nothing but majority of other modern false teacher’s opinions and RCC traditions to bolster your heretical views.



Jesus’ own words condemn your flippant dismissal of one of God’s sacred Laws:


Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
 

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Your definition of “continuity” doesn’t appear to be very continous!


Yes, very good observation.


Israel had "broken the everlasting covenant" (See Isa. 24:5), so there was of necessity "a change of the law" (Heb 7:12).

Although you ought not to be concerned for it not being kept today as a solemn day for we are told it will be reinstituted in the Kingdom age.



And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths. Ezek 44:24


I don’t know how you are coming to that wild conclusion but I do have one question for you:


One of Jesus’ titles is “Lord of the Sabbath”. Is Jesus the Lord of day that few modern Christians care to acknowledge?


You keep coming back to a single day?


Do you not know that Jesus worked with his Father to restore the Sabbath Rest and not the day? The Sabbath is the typical week emphasises the purpose of Yahweh to be consummated at the millennium, the seventh from creation (Exod. 20:11).

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:


Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Again, we must consider the context in which the word "Sabbath" appears. The previous passage provides that context. Which is about "judging others" in their performance of the Law of God. We are not to be as the Pharisees going about condemning how others observe the Sabbath or what they choose to eat or drink. But this verse does not lend credence for the elimination of the Sabbath any more than it does for the elimination of food.
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And Paul qualifies this by saying these are a “shadow of things to come”. Now should you desire to follow the shadow over the detail and substance then this is your prerogative.


I refrain from following a day hence the OP is speaking to Sabbath Principles which thus far you neglect to address.



I already mentioned at the beginning of the previous message that THERE ARE A NUMBER TYPES OF LAW. No one claims that they are “coming under bondage to the Law” by continuing to not use the Lord’s name in vain, refraining from stealing, murdering or coveting, etc. How is that the Fourth Commandment that is the only one of the Ten Commandments that you consider as “bondage” to the Law?


No sadly you legal thinking has led your astray.


For instance:


Forth believes: Thou shalt not Kill


Jesus Teaches: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:


Jesus takes the Laws back to the heart and mind to better understand the Spirit.


Forth: Thou shalt keep the Sabbath (day) Holy


Jesus: But Jesus answered them, My Father works still, and I work.


And that work was contrary to the perceive Sabbath requirements – therefore Forth, I work everyday teaching and preaching so that I may enter a Sabbath rest (Kingdom age)



So what exactly is the sign of the New Testament covenant that you observe? Doing absolutely nothing and refusing to acknowledge the older covenant signs?


This comment was very cold and boarding callous.


I think you would regret saying this gross generalisation.


Our Heavenly Father is very practical. He knows what’s best for His creations. He knows that man needs rest and gives us a blessing of a weekly day of Sabbath rest. Many modern medical doctors also acknowledge the clinical benefits of circumcision. We shouldn’t consider continuing to receive the blessings of prior covenant signs of our spiritual forefathers as “bondage”.


Special pleading.


The “it” was certain ordinances that were contrary to us. Again, there are a host of other biblical laws. (The Jews number them totaling 613). There is NOTHING contrary about hallowing the Sabbath. We just need to be mindful of not judging the particulars of how others sanctify that day.


Can you provide a verse to state the “it” excludes the Sabbath Law? Or is this more special pleading?


How is 'keeping the Sabbath" to be considered "a curse"?


To the contrary:


God BLESSED the Sabbath (Gen. 2:3)


Blessed are those who keep the Sabbath holy (Isa. 56:1-7, Isa. 28:12 )


I will not give you a history lesson on Israel’s treatment of the Sabbath day, needless to say if you had the mind of the Father you would certainly retract that comment also. Start with Amos 8:5 and move on from there.


You continue to pull one verse out of context to formulate your doctrines of antinomianism. Here’s the context of the “curse of the law”:


Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.


Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


“The curse” is having to do ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE LAW. Surely observing all 613 laws flawlessly would be a very burdensome task, indeed!


But many of God’s Laws are beneficial for us to observe. For instance, obeying the Ten Commandments, following the food cleanliness laws as well as circumcision. None of these elementary commandments are burdensome nor should they even vaguely be considered as “a curse” upon mankind.


Are you proposing we reinstitute 1 of these 613 laws?


James 2:10 to apply.


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Yes, Christ also told the lame man to "pick up his bed and walk" after He healed him. But you'll not find Christ or any of the disciples out fishing, gathering wood, or doing any other kind of manual labor on the Sabbath day.
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So the man was breaking the Sabbath and you question the master for allowing it so?


C’mon Insight, those verses in do NOT describe “working” in any way, shape or form. Christ and His disciples were merely walking through a cornfield and plucking a few ears for refreshment on a hot Middle Eastern day. Sure, the litigious Pharisees and their scribe spies tried to find any miniscule transgression they could to accuse Jesus of breaking the Law. But don’t try and give the credence to the hypocritcal Pharisaical arguments by claiming that the righteous saints following Christ were somehow ‘working on the Sabbath’.


Interesting reasoning there Forth.


"And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in"


To quote the Law back to you….


Manna had to be measured (Ex 16:18) They broke this law.


Then pounded or ground, and finally baked (Exo. 16:23; Num. 11:8) They broke this law


On the sixth day, preparation was to be made for two days' supply of manna, to provide for the Sabbath rest.


So using your C’mon Forth they had broken 3 laws as delivered from Sinai.


Imagine the incite this caused in the Pharisees who most definitely viewed them as not only working but breaking all the Laws protocols.


Did Jesus rebuke his disciples?


No and why?


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The whole point of the Sabbath was to 'have a 24 hour period' (scripturally it was from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday) which was to be consecrated solely to God. I believe the Ten Commandments are purposely arranged in a hierarchical fashion. And the Sabbath, ranked at #4, should not lightly be dismissed. Those that claim to honor the Sabbath everyday are only fooling themselves and are not following Christ's example.

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God instituted the Sabbath way back on the Seven Day of Creation. The Old Testament saints observed the Sabbath. Christ and His followers observed the Sabbath. There is also a rich history of the Early Christian Church hallowing the Sabbath. And Isaiah also prophesied that the Sabbath will be observed in the future in the new heavens and new earth.


(Isa 66:22) For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.


Yes you are right in that the Judaizers did convert many gentiles to circumcision, keeping of days and feast etc.


I would be interested in your references if you have any.


(Isa 66:23) And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another,


shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.


Yet you continue teach that (for some scripturally unsupported reason) modern Christians are exempt from following the Fourth Commandment.


It is anti-nomianist Pastors, or what I refer to as “do nothing Christians”, like you that are completely out of step with what the Bible plainly teaches. You have nothing but majority of other modern false teacher’s opinions and RCC traditions to bolster your heretical views.


Actually you are speaking beautifully to my OP where I am in the process of revealing the Spiritual Principles found in the Sabbath (creation and law).

Clearly your studies have not enter the Spirit Word and its meaning.

If you are patient and allow me to continue they shall be revealed to you.

Jesus’ own words condemn your flippant dismissal of one of God’s sacred Laws:


Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

By upholding the Spiritual Principles found within the Sabbath day are we breaking the commandment?

Or do you desire to reinstate the commandment via a law and Not uphold the Spirit of that Law.

It appears your understanding of Jesus teachings are yet to be fully revealed to you.

Insight
 

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That word olam does not necessarily mean perpetual.

Isaiah 42:14 I have <H2814> long time <H5769> held my peace <H2814>; I have been still <H2790>, and <H9999> refrained myself <H0662>. Now <H9999> will I cry <H6463> like a travailing woman <H3205>; I will destroy <H5395> and devour <H7602> at once <H3162>.

If you want the most precise definition of it you would always render it "time out of sight" or "time hidden" or even "time unknown".

The literal definition is "time loped off".
 

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That word olam does not necessarily mean perpetual.

Isaiah 42:14 I have <H2814> long time <H5769> held my peace <H2814>; I have been still <H2790>, and <H9999> refrained myself <H0662>. Now <H9999> will I cry <H6463> like a travailing woman <H3205>; I will destroy <H5395> and devour <H7602> at once <H3162>.

If you want the most precise definition of it you would always render it "time out of sight" or "time hidden" or even "time unknown".

The literal definition is "time loped off".

Your right Vengle in mentioning that olam doesn't always indicate perpetual, it simply means hidden, olam comes from the root word and verb alam which means to hide and doesn't necessarily have to apply to any amount of time.
 

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Your right Vengle in mentioning that olam doesn't always indicate perpetual, it simply means hidden, olam comes from the root word and verb alam which means to hide and doesn't necessarily have to apply to any amount of time.

Thank you for pointing this out Vengle & Jiggy, as I was going to get to this point...eventually.

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James Forthwright, on 21 November 2011 - 05:46 PM, said:
Your definition of “continuity” doesn’t appear to be very continous!

Yes, very good observation.

I’m always wary of those that have to resort to re-defining terms to fit their personal doctrine. We've already seen that the Sabbath was observed in the OT and in the Millenium. At the end of this post I'll document New Testament Sabbath observance.


Israel had "broken the everlasting covenant" (See Isa. 24:5), so there was of necessity "a change of the law" (Heb 7:12).


That is true, however, this “change” did not effect the Ten Commandments (of which the Sabbath remains an integral part).


Although you ought not to be concerned for it not being kept today as a solemn day for we are told it will be reinstituted in the Kingdom age.

And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths. Ezek 44:24

Do you not know that Jesus worked with his Father to restore the Sabbath Rest and not the day? The Sabbath is the typical week emphasises the purpose of Yahweh to be consummated at the millennium, the seventh from creation (Exod. 20:11).


What scriptural backing do you have for the Sabbath Rest not to be observed NOW as it was in the past.

Have you considered the possibility that your new-age Protestant dispensationalist and Roman Catholic views which nullify Sabbath observance for the present day may be not be the “spiritual fulfillment” that you think it is? We’ve all had to change our spiritual perceptions as we mature in the Lord.


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One of Jesus’ titles is “Lord of the Sabbath”. Is Jesus the Lord of day that few modern Christians care to acknowledge?
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You keep coming back to a single day?


Because that’s what the Word of God teaches, with a few exceptions, the Sabbath was historically (sundown Friday to sundown Saturday) i.e., ONE DAY A WEEK. It's never a constant state of rest even in the Millenium.




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Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Again, we must consider the context in which the word "Sabbath" appears. The previous passage provides that context. Which is about "judging others" in their performance of the Law of God. We are not to be as the Pharisees going about condemning how others observe the Sabbath or what they choose to eat or drink. But this verse does not lend credence for the elimination of the Sabbath any more than it does for the elimination of food.

And Paul qualifies this by saying these are a “shadow of things to come”. Now should you desire to follow the shadow over the detail and substance then this is your prerogative.

I refrain from following a day hence the OP is speaking to Sabbath Principles which thus far you neglect to address.

You’ve yet to clarify what these principles are all about.

According the same NT writer (Paul), we still see through a glass darkly and know only in part (hence shadows remain).

1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.


It is precisely in the Millenium that the Sabbath rest begins to be ultimately fulfilled. Not NOW!

Can you supply even one verse where Paul is making tents or travelling on the Sabbath?



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I already mentioned at the beginning of the previous message that THERE ARE A NUMBER TYPES OF LAW. No one claims that they are “coming under bondage to the Law” by continuing to not use the Lord’s name in vain, refraining from stealing, murdering or coveting, etc. How is that the Fourth Commandment that is the only one of the Ten Commandments that you consider as “bondage” to the Law?
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No sadly you legal thinking has led your astray. For instance:

Forth believes: Thou shalt not Kill


Jesus Teaches: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment:


Jesus takes the Laws back to the heart and mind to better understand the Spirit.


I agree with your conclusion. Jesus expanded on the initial commandment to include to include brotherly anger as well. However, the initial commandment, i.e., Thou shall not kill, remains a viable statute which also must still be observed. Your proposal regarding the Sabbath ‘throws the baby out with the bath water’.


Forth: Thou shalt keep the Sabbath (day) Holy

Jesus: But Jesus answered them, My Father works still, and I work.

And that work was contrary to the perceive Sabbath requirements – therefore Forth, I work everyday teaching and preaching so that I may enter a Sabbath rest (Kingdom age).

The key word is “perceive”. It doesn’t matter what the Pharisee’s perceived, Christ knew that He was always doing God’s perfect and higher Will. So no actual transgressions of the Law took place because the Son of God told. As you stated, “Jesus takes the Laws back to the heart and mind to better understand the Spirit.” In the same light:


Our Heavenly Father is very practical. He knows what’s best for His creations. He knows that man needs rest and gives us a blessing of a weekly day of Sabbath rest. Many modern medical doctors also acknowledge the clinical benefits of circumcision. We shouldn’t consider continuing to receive the blessings of prior covenant signs of our spiritual forefathers as “bondage”.


Special pleading.


I’m not familiar with that term, Insight. Do you make this stuff up as you go along? Instead of addressing what I’ve said you’ve resorted to two word excuses for not replying sensibly. Circumcision has stood the test of time (~4000 years) and is practiced by Jews, Moslems and many Christians and is supported by modern medicine. This is a fact, not "special pleading" (whatever that means).




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The “it” was certain ordinances that were contrary to us. Again, there are a host of other biblical laws. (The Jews number them totaling 613). There is NOTHING contrary about hallowing the Sabbath. We just need to be mindful of not judging the particulars of how others sanctify that day.

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Can you provide a verse to state the “it” excludes the Sabbath Law? Or is this more special pleading?

You’ve the one doing the “excluding”. Last time I checked the Sabbath was still included in the Ten Commandments which are still contained in the Ark of the Covenant.


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How is 'keeping the Sabbath" to be considered "a curse"?
To the contrary:

God BLESSED the Sabbath (Gen. 2:3)

Blessed are those who keep the Sabbath holy (Isa. 56:1-7, Isa. 28:12 )
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I will not give you a history lesson on Israel’s treatment of the Sabbath day, needless to say if you had the mind of the Father you would certainly retract that comment also. Start with Amos 8:5 and move on from there.

Just because some of our stiff-necked Israelite forefathers sometimes failed with their Sabbath observances doesn’t mean that we can’t follow the examples of those that faithfully obeyed God’s command. Why must you “spiritualize” the simple setting apart of one day a week for spiritual devotion to Our Heavenly Father?



“The curse” is having to do ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE LAW. Surely observing all 613 laws flawlessly would be a very burdensome task, indeed!


But many of God’s Laws are beneficial for us to observe. For instance, obeying the Ten Commandments, following the food cleanliness laws as well as circumcision. None of these elementary commandments are burdensome nor should they even vaguely be considered as “a curse” upon mankind.




Are you proposing we reinstitute 1 of these 613 laws? James 2:10 to apply.

None of the TEN COMMANDMENTS have ever been rescinded!



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Yes, Christ also told the lame man to "pick up his bed and walk" after He healed him. But you'll not find Christ or any of the disciples out fishing, gathering wood, or doing any other kind of manual labor on the Sabbath day.
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So the man was breaking the Sabbath and you question the master for allowing it so?


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C’mon Insight, those verses in do NOT describe “working” in any way, shape or form. Christ and His disciples were merely walking through a cornfield and plucking a few ears for refreshment on a hot Middle Eastern day. Sure, the litigious Pharisees and their scribe spies tried to find any miniscule transgression they could to accuse Jesus of breaking the Law. But don’t try and give the credence to the hypocritical Pharisaical arguments by claiming that the righteous saints following Christ were somehow ‘working on the Sabbath’.

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Interesting reasoning there Forth.

I do try my best to make these discussions interesting.


"And it shall come to pass, that on the sixth day they shall prepare that which they bring in"

To quote the Law back to you….

Manna had to be measured (Ex 16:18) They broke this law.
Then pounded or ground, and finally baked (Exo. 16:23; Num. 11:8) They broke this law

On the sixth day, preparation was to be made for two days' supply of manna, to provide for the Sabbath rest.

So using your C’mon Forth they had broken 3 laws as delivered from Sinai.

Imagine the incite this caused in the Pharisees who most definitely viewed them as not only working but breaking all the Laws protocols.


No they didn’t. The incident in question concerns a few ears of freshly shucked raw corn NOT MANNA!



Did Jesus rebuke his disciples? No and why?

Because we now walk in the Spirit, not the letter of the law. The Sabbath remains in force but we answer to God in how we observe it, not to judgmental Jewish Pharisees walking around with rocks in their pockets.


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God instituted the Sabbath way back on the Seven Day of Creation. The Old Testament saints observed the Sabbath. Christ and His followers observed the Sabbath. There is also a rich history of the Early Christian Church hallowing the Sabbath. And Isaiah also prophesied that the Sabbath will be observed in the future in the new heavens and new earth.
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Yes you are right in that the Judaizers did convert many gentiles to circumcision, keeping of days and feast etc.

I would be interested in your references if you have any.

Judaizers attempt to have Christians subject to ALL the statutes of the Torah and they also claim that we are saved through these works rather than declaring that the works are the spiritual manifestations of our salvation . It is never sinful to obey any of God’s Ten Commandments. We’re just not supposed to judge how others choose to observe certain aspects of the Law.

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THE SABBATH THROUGHOUT CHRISTIAN HISTORY

There is a popular misconception among many modern Christians that Sabbath observance is a relatively late phenomenon in the Christian Church, usually attributed to the rise of the Seventh Day Adventism in the 19th century and only observed by a few other sects throughout history. This final section consisting primarily of quotes, shamelessly cut & pasted from the ABCOG web site, an independent Sabbatarian Church of God congregation, should help to dispel such myths. When, in fact, Sabbath observance was wide spread throughout the globe and runs like a seamless scarlet thread from the first century Church directly to the present day.

1ST CENTURY CHRISTIANS
"Let us therefore no longer keep the Sabbath after the Jewish manner, and rejoice in days of idleness; for "he that does not work, let him not eat."[14] For say the[holy] oracles, "In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat thy bread."[15] But let every one of you keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner, rejoicing in meditation on the law, not in relaxation of the body, admiring the workmanship of God, and not eating things prepared the day before, nor using lukewarm drinks, and walking within a prescribed space, nor finding delight in dancing and plaudits which have no sense in them.[1] And after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ keep the Lord's Day as a festival, the resurrection-day, the queen and chief of all the days[of the week]." --Ignatius, Bishop of Syria (c.20-107 AD) Note: in the next chapter Ignatius warns the church to beware of Judaizing.

"Let no man be called good who mixes good with evil."(15) For they speak of Christ, not that they may preach Christ, but that they may reject Christ; and they speak(16) of the law, not that they may establish the law, but that they may proclaim things contrary to it. For they alienate Christ from the Father, and the law from Christ." --The Epistle of Ignatius to the Trallians in Asia, Chap. VI 'Abstain from the Poison of Heretics'

"The primitive Christians had a great veneration for the Sabbath, and spent the day in devotion and sermons. And it is not to be doubted but they derived this practice from the Apostles themselves, as appears by several scriptures to the purpose." --"Dialogues on the Lord's Day," p. 189. London: 1701, By Dr. T.H. Morer (A Church of England divine).

"...The Sabbath was a strong tie which united them with the life of the whole people, and in keeping the Sabbath holy they followed not only the example but also the command of Jesus."
--"Geschichte des Sonntags," pp.13, 14

2ND CENTURY CHRISTIANS
"The Gentile Christians observed also the Sabbath,"
--Gieseler's "Church History," Vol.1, ch. 2, par. 30, 93.

EARLY CHRISTIANS
"The primitive Christians did keep the Sabbath of the Jews;...therefore the Christians, for a long time together, did keep their conventions upon the Sabbath, in which some portions of the law were read: and this continued till the time of the Laodicean council. [364 A.D.]"
--"The Whole Works" of Jeremy Taylor, Vol. IX,p. 416 (R. Heber's Edition, Vol XII, p. 416).

EARLY CHURCH
"It is certain that the ancient [Saturday] Sabbath did remain and was observed (together with the celebration of the [Sunday] Lord's day) by the Christians of the East Church, above three hundred years after our Saviour's death." "A Learned Treatise of the Sabbath," p. 77

2ND, 3RD, 4TH CENTURIES
"From the apostles' time until the council of Laodicea, which was about the year 364, the holy observance of the Jews' Sabbath continued, as may be proved out of many authors: yea, notwithstanding the decree of the council against it."
"Sunday a Sabbath." John Ley, p.163. London: 1640.

EGYPT (OXYRHYNCHUS PAPYRUS) (200-250 A.D.)
"Except ye make the sabbath a real sabbath (sabbatize the Sabbath, Greek), ye shall not see the Father."
"The Oxyrhynchus Papyri," pt,1, p.3, Logion 2, verso 4-11 (London Offices of the Egypt Exploration Fund, 1898).

EARLY CHRISTIANS-C 3rd
"Thou shalt observe the Sabbath, on account of Him who ceased from His work of creation, but ceased not from His work of providence: it is a rest for meditation of the law, not for idleness of the hands."
--"The Anti-Nicene Fathers," Vol 7,p. 413. From "Constitutions of the Holy Apostles," a document of the 3rd and 4th Centuries.

AFRICA (ALEXANDRIA) ORIGEN
"After the festival [Sunday] of the unceasing sacrifice (the crucifixion) is put the second festival of the Sabbath, and it is fitting for whoever is righteous among the saints to keep also the festival of the Sabbath. There remaineth therefore a sabbatismus, that is, a keeping of the Sabbath, to the people of God (Hebrews 4:9)."
"Homily on Numbers 23," par.4, in Migne, "Patrologia Graeca," Vol. 12,cols. 749, 750.

PALESTINE TO INDIA (CHURCH OF THE EAST)
As early as A.D. 225 there existed bishoprics or conferences of the Church of the East (Sabbath-keeping) stretching from Palestine to India. Mingana, "Early Spread of Christianity." Vol.10, p. 460.

INDIA (BUDDHIST CONTROVERSY), 220 A.D.)
The Kushan Dynasty of North India called a famous council of Buddhist priests at Vaisalia to bring uniformity among the Buddhist monks on the observance of their weekly Sabbath. Some had been so impressed by the writings of the Old Testament that they had begun to keep holy the Sabbath. Lloyd, "The Creed of Half Japan," p. 23.

EARLY CHRISTIANS
"The seventh-day Sabbath was...solemnised by Christ, the Apostles, and primitive Christians, till the Laodicean Council [364 A.D.] did in manner quite abolish the observations of it."
--"Dissertation on the Lord's Day," pp. 33, 34

4th Century Sabbath Observance

ITALY AND EAST-C 4th
"It was the practice generally of the Easterne Churches; and some churches of the west...For in the Church of Millaine (Milan);...it seems the Saturday was held in a farre esteeme... Not that the Easterne Churches, or any of the rest which observed that day, were inclined to Iudaisme (Judaism); but that they came together on the Sabbath day, to worship Iesus (Jesus) Christ the Lord of the Sabbath."
--"History of the Sabbath" (original spelling retained), Part 2, par. 5, pp.73, 74. London: 1636. Dr. Heylyn.

ORIENT AND MOST OF WORLD
"The ancient Christians were very careful in the observance of Saturday, or the seventh day...It is plain that all the Oriental churches, and the greatest part of the world, observed the Sabbath as a festival...Athanasius likewise tells us that they held religious assembles on the Sabbath, not because they were infected
with Judaism, but to worship Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath, Epiphanius says the same."
"Antiquities of the Christian Church," Vol.II Book XX, chap. 3, sec.1, 66. 1137, 1138.

ABYSSINIA
"In the last half of that century St. Ambrose of Milan stated officially that the Abyssinian bishop, Museus, had 'traveled almost everywhere in the country of the Seres' (China). For more than seventeen centuries the Abyssinian Church continued to sanctify Saturday as the holy day of the fourth commandment."
Ambrose, De Moribus, Brachmanorium Opera Omnia, 1132, found in Migne,
Patrologia Latina, Vol.17, pp.1131,1132.

ARABIA, PERSIA, INDIA, CHINA
"Mingana proves that in 370 A.D. Abyssinian Christianity (a Sabbath keeping church) was so popular that its famous director, Musacus, travelled extensively in the East promoting the church in Arabia, Persia, India and China." --"Truth Triumphant,"p.308 (Footnote 27).

ITALY-MILAN
"Ambrose, the celebrated bishop of Milan, said that when he was in Milan he observed Saturday, but when in Rome observed Sunday. This gave rise to the proverb, 'When you are in Rome, do as Rome does.'"
--Heylyn, "The History of the Sabbath" (1612)

SPAIN-COUNCIL ELVIRA (A.D.305)
Canon 26 of the Council of Elvira: "As to fasting every Sabbath: Resolved, that the error be corrected of fasting every Sabbath." This resolution of the council is in direct opposition to the policy the church at Rome had inaugurated, that of commanding Sabbath as a fast day in order to humiliate it and make it repugnant to the people.

SPAIN
It is a point of further interest to note that in north-eastern Spain near the city of Barcelona is a city called Sabadell, in a district originaly inhabited. By a people called both --"Valldenses" and Sabbatati."

PERSIA-A.D. 335-375 (40 YEARS PERSECUTION UNDER SHAPUR II)
The popular complaint against the Christians-"They despise our sungod, they have divine services on Saturday, they desecrate the sacred the earth by burying their dead in it." "Truth Triumphant," p.170.

PERSIA-A.D.335-375
"They despise our sun-god. Did not Zoroaster, the sainted founder of our divine beliefs, institute Sunday one thousand years ago in honour of the sun and supplant the Sabbath of the Old Testament. Yet these Christians have divine services on Saturday."
--O'Leary, "The Syriac Church and Fathers," pp.83, 84.

COUNCIL LAODICEA - A.D.364
"Canon 16 - On Saturday the Gospels and other portions of the Scripture shall be read aloud."
"Canon 29 - Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday, but shall work on that day; but the Lord's day they shall especially honor, and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day." --Hefele's "Councils," Vol. 2, b. 6.

5th Century Sabbath Observance

THE WORLD
"For although almost all churches throughout the world celebrated the sacred mysteries (the Lord's Supper) on the Sabbath of every week, yet the Christians of Alexandria and at Rome, on account of some ancient tradition, refuse to do this." The footnote which accompanies the foregoing quotation explains the use of the word "Sabbath." It says: "That is, upon the Saturday. It should be observed, that Sunday is never called the Sabbath by the ancient Fathers and historians."
--Socrates, "Ecclestical History," Book 5, chap. 22, p. 289.

CONSTANTINOPLE
"The people of Constantinople, and almost everywhere, assemble together on the Sabbath, as well as on the first day of the week, which custom is never observed at Rome or at Alexandria."
Socrates, "Ecclesiastical History," Book 7, chap.19.

THE WORLD-AUGUSTINE, BISHOP OF HIPPO (NORTH AFRICA)
Augustine shows here that the Sabbath was observed in his day "in the greater part of the Christian world," and his testimony in this respect is all the more valuable because he himself was an earnest and consistent Sunday-keeper.
--"Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers," 1st Series, Vol.1, pp. 353, 354.

POPE INNOCENT (402-417)
Pope Sylvester (314-335) was the first to order the churches to fast on Saturday, and Pope Innocent (402-417) made it a binding law in the churches that obeyed him, (in order to bring the Sabbath into disfavour.)
"Innocentius did ordain the Saturday or Sabbath to be always fasted."
Dr. Peter Heylyn, "History of the Sabbath, Part 2, p. 44.

5TH CENTURY CHRISTIANS
Down even to the fifth century the observance of the Jewish Sabbath was continued in the Christian church.
--"Ancient Christianity Exemplified," Lyman Coleman, ch. 26, sec. 2, p.527.

In Jerome's day (420 A.D.) the devoutest Christians did ordinary work on Sunday.
--"Treatise of the Sabbath Day," by Dr. White, Lord Bishop of Ely, p. 219.

FRANCE
"Wherefore, except Vespers and Nocturns, there are no public services among them in the day except on Saturday (Sabbath) and Sunday."
--John Cassian, A French monk, "Institutes," Book 3, ch. 2.

AFRICA
"Augustine deplored the fact that in two neighbouring churches in Africa one observes the seventh-day Sabbath, another fasted on it."
--Dr. Peter Heylyn, "The History of the Sabbath." p. 416.

SPAIN (400 A.D.)
"Ambrose sanctified the seventh day as the Sabbath (as he himself says). Ambrose had great influence in Spain, which was also observing the Saturday Sabbath."
--Truth Triumphant, p. 68.

SIDONIUS (SPEAKING OF KING THEODORIC OF THE GOTHS, A.D. 454-526)
"It is a fact that it was formerly the custom in the East to keep the Sabbath in the same manner as the Lord's day and to hold sacred assemblies: while on the other hand, the people of the West, contending for the Lord's day have neglected the celebration of the Sabbath." --"Apollinaries Sidonli Epistolae," lib.1, 2; Migne, 57.

CHURCH OF THE EAST
"Mingana proves that in 410 Isaac, supreme director of the Church of the East, held a world council,-stimulated, some think, by the trip of Musacus,-attended by eastern delegates from forty grand metropolitan divisions. In 411 he appointed a metropolitan director for China. These churches were sanctifying the seventh day."

EGYPT
"There are several cities and villages in Egypt where, contrary to the usage established elsewhere, the people meet together on Sabbath evenings, and, although they have dined previously, partake of the mysteries."
--Sozomen, "Ecclesiastical History Book 7, ch. 119

6th Century Sabbath Observance

SCOTTISH CHURCH
"In this latter instance they seemed to have followed a custom of which we find traces in the early monastic church of Ireland by which they held Saturday to be the Sabbath on which they rested from all their labours. --"W.T. Skene, "Adamnan's Life of St. Columba" 1874, p.96.

SCOTLAND, IRELAND
"We seem to see here an allusion to the custom, observed in the early monastic Church of Ireland, of keeping the day of rest on Saturday, or the Sabbath."
--"History of the Catholic Church in Scotland," Vol.1, p. 86, by Catholic historian Bellesheim.

SCOTLAND - COLUMBA
"Having continued his labours in Scotland thirty-four years, he clearly and openly foretold his death, and on Saturday, the month of June, said to his disciple Diermit: "This day is called the Sabbath, that is the rest day, and such will it truly be to me; for it will put an end to my labours.'"
--"Butler's Lives of the Saints," Vol.1, A.D. 597, art. "St. Columba" p. 762

COLUMBA (RE: DR. BUTLER'S DESCRIPTION OF HIS DEATH)
The editor of the best biography of Columba says in a footnote: "Our Saturday. The custom to call the Lord's day Sabbath did not commence until a thousand years later."
--Adamnan's "Life of Columba" (Dublin, 1857), p. 230.

7th Century Sabbath Observance

SCOTLAND AND IRELAND
"It seems to have been customary in the Celtic churches of early times, in Ireland as well as Scotland, to keep Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath, as a day of rest from labour. They obeyed the fourth commandment literally upon the seventh day of week."
--James C. Moffatt, "The Church in Scotland," p.140.

SCOTLAND AND IRELAND
"The Celts used a Latin Bible unlike the Vulgate (R.C.) and kept Saturday as a day of rest, with special religious services on Sunday."
--Flick, "The Rise of Mediaeval Church," p. 237

ROME
Gregory I (A.D. 590-640) wrote against "Roman citizens (who) forbid any work being done on the Sabbath day."
--"Nicene and Post- Nicene Fathers," Second Series, Vol, XIII, p.13, epist. 1

ROME (POPE GREGORY I, A.D.590 TO 604)
"Gregory, bishop by the grace of God to his well-beloved sons, the Roman citizens: It has come to me that certain men of perverse spirit have disseminated among you things depraved and opposed to the holy faith, so that they forbid anything to be done on the day of the Sabbath. What shall I call them except preachers of anti-Christ?"
--Epistles, b.13:1

ROME (POPE GREGORY I)
Declared that when anti-Christ should come he would keep Saturday as the Sabbath.
--"Epistles of Gregory I, "b 13, epist.1. found in "Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers."

"Moreover, this same Pope Gregory had issued an official pronouncement against a section of the city of Rome itself because the Christian believers there rested and worshipped on the Sabbath."
--"Epistles of Gregory I, "b 13, epist.1. found in "Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers."

8th Century Sabbath Observance

COUNCIL OF FRIAUL, ITALY - A.D. 791 (CANON 13)
"We command all Christians to observe the Lord's day to be held not in honour of the past Sabbath, but on account of that holy night of the first of the week called the Lord's day. When speaking of that Sabbath which the Jews observe, the last day of the week, and which also our peasants observe.." --Mansi, 13, 851

PERSIA AND MESOPOTAMIA
"The hills of Persia and the valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates reechoed their songs of praise. They reaped their harvests and paid their tithes. They repaired to their churches on the Sabbath day for the worship of God."
--"Realencyclopaedie fur Protestantische Theologie und Kirche," art.
--"Nestorianer"; also Yule, "The Book of ser Marco Polo," Vol.2, p.409.

INDIA, CHINA, PERSIA, ETC
"Widespread and enduring was the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath
among the believers of the Church of the East and the St. Thomas Christians of India, who never were connected with Rome. It also was maintained among those bodies which broke off from Rome after the Council of Chalcedon namely, the Abyssinians, the Jacobites, the Maronites, and the Armenians,"
Schaff-Herzog, The New Enclopadia of Religious Knowledge," art. "Nestorians"; also Realencyclopaedie fur Protestantische Theologie und Kirche," art. --"Nestorianer."

COUNCIL OF LIFTINAE, BELGIUM-A.D.745 (ATTENDED BY BONIFACE)
"The third allocution of this council warns against the observance of the Sabbath, referring to the decree of the council of Laodicea."
--Dr. Hefele, Counciliengfesch, 3, 512, sec. 362

CHINA-A.D.781
In A.D. 781 the famous China Monument was inscribed in marble to tell of the growth of Christianity in China at that time. The inscription, consisting of 763 words, was unearthed in 1625 near the city of Changan and now stands in the "Forest of Tablets," Changan. The following extract from the stone shows that the Sabbath was observed:
"On the seventh day we offer sacrifices, after having purified our hearts, and received absolution for our sins. This religion, so perfect and so excellent, is difficult to name, but it enlightens darkness by its brilliant precepts."
--Christianity in China, M. I'Abbe Huc, Vol. I, ch.2, pp. 48, 49

9th Century Sabbath Observance

BULGARIA
"Bulgaria in the early season of its evangelization had been taught that no work should be performed on the Sabbath."
--Responsa Nicolai Papae I and Con-Consulta Bulllllgarorum, Responsum 10, found in Mansi, Sacrorum Concilorum Nova et Amplissima Colectio, Vol.15; p. 406; also Hefele, Conciliengeschicte, Vol.4, sec. 478

BULGARIA
Pope Nicholas I, in answer to letter from Bogaris, ruling prince of Bulgaria.
"Ques. 6-Bathing is allowed on Sunday.
Ques. 10-One is to cease from work on Sunday, but not also on the Sabbath." Hefele, 4,346- 352, sec. 478
The Bulgarians had been accustomed to rest on the Sabbath. Pope Nicholas writes against this practice.

CONSTANTINOPLE
Photius, Patriarch of Constantinople {in counter-synod that deposed Nicolas}, thus accused Papacy).
--"Against the canons, they induced the Bulgarians to fast on the Sabbath." Photius, vonKard, Hergenrother, 1, 643

ATHINGIANS
Cardinal Hergenrother says that they stood in intimate relation with Emperor Michael II (821-829) and testifies that they observed the Sabbath. Kirchengeschichte, 1, 527

INDIA, ABYSSINIA
"Widespread and enduring was the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath among the believers of the Church of the East and the St. Thomas Christians of India. It was also maintained by the Abyssinians.

BULGARIA
"Pope Nicholas I, in the ninth century, sent the ruling prince of Bulgaria a long document saying in it that one is to cease from work on Sunday, but not on the Sabbath. The head of the Greek Church, offended at the interference of the Papacy, declared the Pope ex-communicated." Truth Triumphant, p. 232

10th Century Sabbath Observance

SCOTLAND
"They worked on Sunday, but kept Saturday in a Sabbatical manner."
A history of Scotland from the Roman Occupation, Vol. I, p.96. Andrew Lang

CHURCH OF THE EAST - Kurdistan
"The Nestorians eat no pork and keep the Sabbath. They believe in neither auricular confession nor purgatory."
Schaff-Herzog, "The New Encyclopaedia of Religious Knowledge," --art."Nestorians."

WALDENSES
"And because they observed no other day of rest but the Sabbath days, they called them Insabathas, as much as to say, as they observed no Sabbath." --Luther's "Fore-Runners" (original spelling), PP. 7, 8

WALDENSES
Roman Catholic writers try to evade the apostolic origin of the Waldenses, so as to make it appear that the Roman is the only apostolic church, and that all others are later novelties. And for this reason they try to make out that the Waldenses originated with Peter Waldo of the twelfth century.
"Some Protestants, on this occasion, have fallen into the snare that was set for them...It is absolutely false, that these churches were ever found by Peter Waldo...it is a pure forgery."
--Peter Allix, Ancient Church of Piedmont, pp.192, Oxford: 1821

WALDENSES
"It is not true, that Waldo gave this name to the inhabitants of the valleys: they were called Waldenses, or Vaudes, before his time, from the valleys in which they dwelt."
--Peter Allix, Ancient Church of Piedmont, p.182, Oxford: 1821

WALDENSES
On the other hand, he "was called Valdus, or Waldo, because he received his religious notions from the inhabitants of the valleys."
--History of the Christian Church, William Jones, Vol II, p.2

11th Century Sabbath Observance

SCOTLAND
They held that Saturday was properly the Sabbath on which they abstained from work. --"Celtic Scotland," Vol. 2, p. 350

SCOTLAND
"They worked on Sunday, but kept Saturday in a sabbatical manner... These things Margaret abolished." --A History of Scotland from the Roman Occupation," Vol.1, p. 96.

SCOTLAND
"It was another custom of theirs to neglect the reverence due to the Lord's day, by devoting themselves to every kind of worldly business upon it, just as they did upon other days. That this was contrary to the law, she (Queen Margaret) proved to them as well by reason as by authority. 'Let us venerate the Lord's day,' said she, 'because of the resurrection of our Lord, which happened upon that day, and let us no longer do servile works upon it; bearing in mind that upon this day we were redeemed from the slavery of the devil. The blessed Pope Gregory affirms the same.'"
--Life of Saint Margaret, Turgot, p. 49 (British Museum Library)

SCOTLAND
"Her next point was that they did not duly reverence the Lord's day, but in this latter instance they seemed to have followed a custom of which we find traces in the early Church of Ireland, by which they held Saturday to be the Sabbath on which they rested from all their labours."
--Historian Skene commenting upon the work of Queen Margaret. Skene, "Celtic Scotland," Vol.2, p. 349

SCOTLAND AND IRELAND
"In this matter the Scots had perhaps kept up the traditional usage of the ancient Irish Church which observed Saturday instead of Sunday as the day of rest." --Barnett, "Margaret of Scotland: Queen and Saint," p.97. (T. Ratcliffe Barnett on the fervent Catholic queen of Scotland who in 1060 was first to attempt the ruin of Columba's brethren)

COUNCIL OF CLERMONT
"During the first crusade, Pope Urban II decreed at the council of Clermont (A.D.1095) that the Sabbath be set aside in honour of the Virgin Mary." --History of the Sabbath, p.672

CONSTANTINOPLE
"Because you observe the Sabbath with the Jews and the Lord's Day with us, you seem to imitate with such observance the sect of Nazarenes."
--Migne, "Patrologia Latina," Vol. 145, p.506; also Hergenroether, "Photius," Vol. 3, p.746. (The Nazarenes were a Christian denomination.)

GREEK CHURCH
"The observance of Saturday is, as everyone knows, the subject of a bitter dispute between the Greeks and the Latins."
--Neale, "A History of the Holy Eastern Church," Vol 1, p. 731. (Referring to the separation of the Greek Church from the Latin in 1054)

12th Century Sabbath Observance

LOMBARDY
"Traces of Sabbath-keepers are found in the times of Gregory I, Gregory VII, and in the twelfth century in Lombardy."
--Strong's Cyclopaedia, 1, 660

WALDENSES
Robinson gives an account of some of the Waldenses of the Alps, who were called Sabbati, Sabbatati, Insabbatati, but more frequently Inzabbatati.
"One says they were so named from the Hebrew word Sabbath, because they kept the Saturday for the Lord's day."
--General History of the Baptist Denomination, Vol.II, P. 413

SPAIN (Alphonse of Aragon)
"Alphonse, king of Aragon, etc., to all archbishopss, bishops and to all others...'We command you that heretics, to wit, Waldenses and Insabbathi, should be expelled away from the face of God and from all Catholics and ordered to depart from our kingdom.'"
--Marianse, Praefatio in Lucam Tudensem, found in "Macima Gibliotheca Veterum Patrum," Vol.25, p.190

HUNGARY FRANCE, ENGLAND, ITALY, GERMANY. (Referring to the
Sabbath-keeping Pasagini) "The spread of heresy at this time is almost
incredible. From Bulgaria to the Ebro, from northern France to the Tiber, everywhere we meet them. Whole countries are infested, like Hungary and southern France; they abound in many other countries, in Germany, in Italy, in the Netherlands and even in England they put forth their efforts." --Dr. Hahn, "Geschichte der Ketzer." 1, 13, 14

WALDENSES
"Among the documents. we have by the same peoples, an explanation of the Ten Commandments dated by Boyer 1120. Observance of the Sabbath by
ceasing from worldly labours, is enjoined."
--Blair, History of the Waldenses, Vol.1, p. 220

WALES
"There is much evidence that the Sabbath prevailed in Wales university until A.D.1115, when the first Roman bishop was seated at St. David's. The old Welslh Sabbath-keeping churches did not even then altogether bow the knee to Rome, but fled to their hiding places."
--Lewis, "Seventh Day Baptists in Europe and America," Vol.1, p.29

FRANCE
"For twenty years Peter de Bruys stirred southern France. He especially emphasised a day of worship that was recognized at that time amaong the Celtic churches of the British Isles, among the Paulicians, and in the great Church of the East namely, the the seventh day of the fourth commandment."

PASAGINI
The papal author, Bonacursus, wrote the following against the "Pasagaini": "Not a few, but many know what are the errors of those who are called Pasaagini...First, they teach that we should obey the Sabbath. Furthermore, to increase their error, they condemn and reject all the church Fathers, and the whole Roman Church."
--D'Achery, Spicilegium I,f.211-214; Muratory, Antiq. med. aevi.5, f.152, Hahn, 3, 209

13th Century Sabbath Observance

WALDENSES
"They say that the blessed Pope Sylvester was the Antichrist of whom mention is made in the Epistles of St. Paul as having been the son of perdition.[They also say] that the keeping of the Sabbath ought to take place."
--Ecclesiastical History of the Ancient Churches ofPiedmont," p.169 (by prominent Roman Catholic author writing about Waldenses)

FRANCE (Waldenses)
To destroy completely these heretics Pope Innocent III sent Dominican inquistors into France, and also crusaders, promising "a plenary remission of all sins, to those who took on them the crusade...against the Albigenses." --Catholic Encyclopaedia, Vol.XII, art."Raymond VI," p. 670

WALDENSES OF FRANCE
"The inquisitors...[declare] that the sign of a Vaudois, deemed worthy of death, was that he followed Christ and sought to obey the commandments fo God."
History of the Inquisition of the Middle Ages," --H.C.Les, vol.1

FRANCE
Thousands of God's people were tortured to death by the Inquisition, buried alive, burned to death, or hacked to pieces by the crusaders. While devastating the city of Biterre the soldiers asked the Catholic leaders how they should know who were heretics; "Slay them all, for the Lord knows who is His." --History of the Inquisition, pp. 96

FRANCE - KING LOUIS IX, 1229
Published the statute "Cupientes" in which he charges himself to clear southern France from heretics as the Sabbath-keepers were called.

WALDENSES OF FRANCE
"The heresy of the Vaudois, or poor people of Lyons, is of great antiquity, for some say that it has been continued down ever since the time of Pope Sylvester; and others, ever since that of the apostles."
--The Roman Inquisitor, Reinerus Sacho, writing about 1230

FRANCE - Council Toulouse, 1229
Canons against Sabbath-keepers:
"Canon 3. - The lords of the different districts shall have the villas, houses and woods diligently searched, and the hiding-places of the heretics destroyed.
"Canon 14. - Lay members are not allowed to possess the books of either the Old or the New Testaments."
--Hefele, 5, 931, 962

EUROPE
"The Paulicians, Petrobusinas, Passaginians, Waldenses, Insabbatati were great Sabbath-keeping bodies of Europe down to 1250 A.D."

PASAGINIANS
Dr. Hahn says that if the Pasaginians referred to the 4th Commandment to support the Sabbath, the Roman priests answered, "The Sabbath symbolised the eternal rest of the saints."

MONGOLIA
"The Mongolian conquest did not injure the Church of the East.
(Sabbath-keeping.) On the contrary, a number of the Mongolian princes and a larger number of Mongolian queens were members of this church."

14th Century Sabbath Observance

WALDENSES
"That we are to worship one only God, who is able to help us, and not the Saints departed; that we ought to keep holy the Sabbath day."
--Luther's Fore-runners," p. 38

INSABBATI
"For centuries evangelical bodies, especially the Waldenses, were called Insabbati because of Sabbath-keeping."
--Gui, Manueld' Inquisiteur

BOHEMIA, 1310 (Modern Czechoslovakia)
"In 1310, two hundred years before Luther's theses, the Bohemian brethern constituted onefourth of the population of Bohemia, and that they were in touch with the Waldenses who abounded in Austria, Lombardy,. Bohemia, north Germany, Thuringia, Brandenburg, and Moravia. Erasmus pointed out how strictly Bohemian Waldenses kept the seventh day Sabbath."
--Armitage, "A History of the Baptists," p.313; Cox, "The Literature of the Sabbath Question," vol. 2, pp. 201-202

NORWAY
Then, too, in the "Catechism" that was used during the fourteenth century, the Sabbath commandment read thus; "Thou shalt not forget to keep the seventh day."
--Documents and Studies Concerning the History of the Lutheran Catechism in the Nordish Churches," p.89. Christiania 1893

NORWAY
"Also the priests have caused the people to keep Saturdays as Sundays."
--Theological Periodicals for the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Norway, Vol.1, p.184 Oslo

ENGLAND, HOLLAND, BOHEMIA
"We wrote of the Sabbatarians in Bohemia, Transylvania, England and Holland between 1250 and 1600 A.D."
--Truth Triumphant, Wilkinson, p.309

15th Century Sabbath Observance

BOHEMIA
"Erasmus testifies that even as late as about 1500 these Bohemians not only kept the seventh day scrupulously, but also were called Sabbatarians."
--Cox, "The Literature of the Sabbath Question," Vol.2, pp.201, 202 "Truth Triumphant," p.264

NORWAY
(Church Council held at Bergin, August 22,1435) "The first matter concerned a keeping holy of Saturday. It had come to the earth of the archbishop that people in different places of the kingdom had ventured the keeping holy of Saturday. It is strictly forbidden - it is stated - in the Church Law, for any one to keep or to adopt holy-days, outside of those which the pope, archbishop, or bishops appoint."
--The History of the Norwegian Church under Catholicism, R. Keyser, Vol.II, p. 488.Oslo: 1858

NORWAY, 1435 (Catholic Provincial Council at Bergin) "We are informed that some people in different districts of the kingdom, have adopted and observed Saturday-keeping. It is severely forbidden - in holy church canon - one and all to observe days excepting those which the holy Pope archbishop, or the bishops command. Saturday-keeping must under no circumstances be permitted hereafter further than the church canon commands. Therfore, we counsil all the friends of God throughout all Norway who want to be obedient towards the holy church to let this evil of Saturday-keeping alone; and the rest we forbid under penalty of severe church punishment to keep Saturday holy."
--Dip. Norveg., 7, 397

NORWAY, 1436
(Church Conference at Oslo) "It is forbidden under the same penalty to keep Saturday holy by refraining from labour."
--History of the Norwegian Church, p.401

FRANCE - Waldenses
"Louis XII, King of France (1498-1515), being informed by the enemies of the Waldense inhabiting a part of the province of Province, that several heinous crimes were laid to their account, sent the Master of Requests, and a certain doctor of the Sorbonne, to make inquiry into this matter. On their return they reported that they had visited all the parishes, but could not discover any traces of those crimes with which they were charged. On the contrary, they kept the Sabbath day, observed the ordinance of baptism, according to the primitive church, instructed their children in the articles of the Christian faith, and the commandments of God. The King having heard the report of his commisioners, said with an oath that they were better men than himself or his people."
--History of the Christian Church, Vol.II, pp. 71, 72, third edition. London: 1818

INDIA
"Separated from the Western world for a thousand years, they were naturally ignorant of many novelties introduced by the councils and decrees of the Lateran. 'We are Christians, and not idolaters,' was their expressive reply when required to do homage to the image of the Virgin Mary.'"

16th Century Sabbath Observance

ENGLAND
"In the reign of Elizabeth, it occurred to many conscientious and independent thinkers (as it previously had done to some Protestants in Bohemia) that the fourth commandment required of them the observance, not of the first, but of the specified 'seventh' day of the week."
--Chambers' Cyclopaedia, article "Sabbath," Vol. 8, p. 462, 1537

RUSSIA (Council, Moscow, 1593)
"The accused [Sabbath-keepers] were summoned; they openly acknowledged
the new faith, and defended the same. The most eminent of them, the secretary of state, Kuritzyn, Ivan Maximow, Kassian, archimandrite of the Fury Monastery of Novgorod, were condemned to death, and burned publicly in cages, at Moscow; Dec. 17,1503."
--H.Sternberfi, "Geschichte der Juden" (Leipsig, 1873), pp.117-122

SWEDEN
"This zeal for Saturday-keeping continued for a long time: even little things which might strengthen the practice of keeping Saturday were punished."
--Bishop Anjou, "Svenska Kirkans Historia after Motetthiers, Upsala

LICHENSTEIN FAMILY
(estates in Austria, Bohemia, Morovia, Hungary. Lichenstein in the Rhine Valley wasn't their country until the end of the 7th century). "The Sabbatarians teach that the outward Sabbath, i.e. Saturday, still must be observed, They say that Sunday is the Pope's invention."
--Refutation of Sabbath, by Wolfgang Capito, published 1599

BOHEMIA (the Bohemian Brethren)
"I find from a passage in Erasmus that at the early period of the Reformation when he wrote, there were Sabbatarians in Bohemia, who not only kept the seventh day, but were said to be...scrupulous in resting on it."
--Literature of the Sabbath Question, R. Cox, Vol. II, pp. 201, 202

HISTORIAN'S LIST OF CHURCHES (16th Century)
"Sabbatarians, so called because they reject the observance of the Lord's day as not commanded in Scripture, they consider the Sabbath alone to be holy, as God rested on that day and commanded to keep it holy and to rest on it." --A. Ross

GERMANY
Dr. Esk (while refuting the Reformers) "However, the church has transferred the observance from Saturday to Sunday by virtue of her own power, without Scripture."
--Dr. Esk's "Enchiridion," 1533, pp.78,79

PRINCES OF LICHTENSTEIN (Europe)
About the hear 1520 many of these Sabbath-keepers found shelter on the
estate of Lord Leonhardt of Lichtensein held to the observance of the true Sabbath." --J.N.Andrews, History of the Sabbath, p. 649, ed.

INDIA
"The famous Jesuit, Francis Xavier, called for the Inquisition, which was set up in Goa, India, in 1560, to check the 'Jewish wickedness' (Sabbath-keeping)."
--Adeney, "The Greek and Eastern Churches," p.527, 528

NORWAY-1544
"Some of you, contrary to the warning, keep Saturday. You ought to be severely punished. Whoever shall be found keeping Saturday, must pay a fine of ten marks."
--History of King Christian the Third," Niels Krag and S. Stephanius.

AUSTRIA
"Sabatarians now exist in Austria."
--Luther, "Lectures on Genesis," A.D.1523-27

ABYSSINIA--A.D. 1534
(Abyssinian legate at court of Lisbon) "It is not therefore, in imitation of the Jews, but in obedience to Christ and His holy apostles, that we observe the day."
--Gedde's "Church History of Ethiopia," pp. 87,8

DR. MARTIN LUTHER
"God blessed the Sabbath and sanctified it to Himself. God willed that this command concerning the Sabbath should remain. He willed that on the seventh day the word should be preached."
--Commentary on Genesis, Vol.1, pp.138-140

BAPTISTS
"Some have suffered torture because they would not rest when others kept Sunday, for they declared it to be the holiday and law of Antichrist." --Sebastian Frank (A.D. 1536)

FINLAND-Dec. 6,1554
(King Gustavus Vasa I, of Sweden's letter to the people of Finland) "Some time ago we heard that some people in Finland had fallen into a great error and observed the seventh day, called Saturday."
--State Library at Helsingfors, Reichsregister, Vom J., 1554, Teil B.B. leaf 1120, pp.175-180a

SWITZERLAND
"The observance of the Sabbath is a part of the moral law. It has been kept holy since the beginning of the world."
--Ref. Noted Swiss writer, R. Hospinian, 1592

HOLLAND AND GERMANY
Barbara of Thiers, who was executed in 1529, declared: "God has commanded us to rest on the seventh day." Another martyr, Christina Tolingerin, is mentioned thus: "Concerning holy days and Sundays, she said: 'In six days the Lord made the world, on the seventh day he rested. The other holy days have been instituted by popes, cardinals, and archbishops.'"
--Martyrology of the Churches of Christ, commonly called Baptists, during the era of the Reformation, from the Dutch of T.J. Van Bright, London, 1850,1, pp.113-4.

17th Century Sabbath Observance

ENGLAND-1618
"At last for teaching only five days in the week, and resting upon Saturday she was carried to the new prison in Maiden Lane, a place then appointed for the restraint of several other persons of different opinions from the Church of England. Mrs. Traske lay fifteen or sixteen years a prisoner for her opinion about the Saturday Sabbath."
--Pagitt's "Heresiography." p.196

ENGLAND-1668
"Here in England are about none or ten churches that keep the Sabbath,
besides many scattered disciples, who have eminently preserved."
--Stennet's letters, 1668 and 1670. Cox, Sab.,1, 268

HUNGARY, RUMANIA
"But as they rejected Sunday and rested on the Sabbath, Prince Sigmond Bathory ordered their persecution. Pechi advanced to position of chancellor of state and next in line to throne of Transylvania. He studied his Bible, and composed a number of hymns, mostly in honour of the Sabbath. Pechi was arrested and died in 1640.

SWEDEN AND FINLAND
"We can trace these opinions over almost the whole extent of Sweden of that day-from Finland and northern Sweden. "In the district of Upsala the farmers kept Saturday in place of Sunday. "About the year 1625 this religious tendency became so pronounced in these countries that not only large numbers of the common people began to keep Saturday as the rest day, but even many priests did the same."
--History of the Swedish Church, Vol.I, p.256

MUSCOVIT RUSSIAN CHURCH
"They solemnize Saturday (the old Sabbath).
--Samuel Purchase- "His Pilgrims." Vol. I, p. 350

INDIA (Jacobites)-1625
"They kept Saturday holy. They have solemn service on Saturdays."
--Pilgrimmes, Part 2, p.1269

AMERICA-1664
"Stephen Mumford, the first Sabbath-keeper in America come from London in 1664."
--History of the Seventh-day Baptist Gen. Conf. by Jas. Bailey, pp. 237, 238. [The 7th-day Baptist continue to exist, and now have their home office in Jaynesville, Wisconsin.]

AMERICA-1671 (Seventh-day Baptists)
"Broke from Baptist Church in order to keep Sabbath."
--See Bailey's History, pp. 9,10

ENGLAND
Charles I, 1647 (when querying the Parliament Commissioners) "For it will not be found in Scripture where Saturday is no longer to be kept, or turned into the Sunday wherefore it must be the Church's authority that changed the one and instituted the other." --Cox, "Sabbath Laws," p.333

ENGLAND
"It will surely be far safer to observe the seventh day, according to express commandment of God, than on the authority of mere human conjecture to adopt the first." --John Milton, Sab. Lit. 2, 46-54

ENGLAND
"Upon the publication of the 'Book of Sports' in 1618 a violent controversy arose among English divines on two points: first, whether the Sabbath of the fourth commandment was in force; and, secondly, on what ground the first day ."

ETHIOPIA-1604
Jesuits tried to induce the Abyssinian church to accept Roman Catholicism.
They influenced King Zadenghel to propose to submit to the Papacy (A.D.1604).
"Prohibiting all his subjects, upon severe penalties, to observe Saturday any longer."
--Gedde's "Church History of Ethiopia." p.311, also Gibbon's "Decline and Fall," ch. 47

BOHEMIA, MORAVIA, SWITZERLAND, GERMANY
"one of the counsellors and lords of the court was John Gerendi, head of the Sabbatarians, a people who did not keep Sunday, but Saturday."
Lamy, "The History of Socinianism." p. 60

TELEGRAPH PRINT, NAPIER
The inscription on the monument over the grave of Dr. Peter Chamberlain, physician to King James and Queen Anne, King Charles I and Queen Katherine says that Dr. Chamberlain was "a Christian keeping the commandment of God and the faith of Jesus, being baptised about the year 1648, and keeping the seventh day for the Sabbath above thirty-two years."

18th Century Sabbath Observance

ABYSSINIA
"The Jacobites assembled on the Sabbath day, before the Domical day, in the temple, and kept that day, as do also the Abyssinians as we have seen from the confession of their faith by the Ethiopian king Claudius."
--Abundacnus, 'Historia Jacobatarum,"p.118-9 (18th Century)

ROMANIA, 1760 (and what is today) YUGOSLAVIA, CZECHOSLOVAKIA
"Joseph II's edict of tolerance did not apply to the Sabbatarians, some of whom again lost all of their possessions." --Jahrgang 2, 254
"Catholic priests aided by soldiers forcing them to accept Romanism nominally, and compelling the remainder to labour on the Sabbath and to attend church on Sunday,-these were the methods employed for two hundred fifty years to turn the Sabbatarians.

GERMANY-Tennhardt of Nuremberg
"He holds strictly to the doctrine of the Sabbath, because it is one of the ten commandments."
--Bengel's "Leban und Wirken," Burk, p.579

He himself says: "It cannot be shown that Sunday has taken the place of the Sabbath (P.366). the Lord God has sanctified the last day of the week.
Antichrist, on the other hand, has appointed the first day of the week."
--Ki Auszug aus Tennhardt's "Schriften," P.49 (printed 1712)

BOHEMIA AND MORAVIA (Today Czechoslovakia).
Their history from 1635 to 1867 is thus described by Adolf Dux: "The condition of the Sabbatarians was dreadful. Their books and writings had to be delivered to the Karlsburg Consistory to becomes the spoils of flames." --Aus Ungarn, pp. 289-291. Leipzig, 1850

HOLLAND AND GERMANY
"Dr. Cornelius stated of East Friesland, that when Baptists were numerous,
"Sunday and holidays were not observed," (they were Sabbath-keepers).
Der Anteil Ostfrieslands and Ref. Muenster," 1852, pp l29, 34

MORAVIA-Count Zinzendorf
In 1738 Zinzendorf wrote of his keeping the Sabbath thus: "That I have
employed the Sabbath for rest many years already, and our Sunday for the proclamation of the gospel."
--Budingsche Sammlung, Sec. 8, p. 224. Leipzig, 1742

AMERICA, 1741
"As a special instance it deserves to be noticed that he is resolved with the church at Bethlehem to observe the seventh day as rest day.
--Moravian Brethren (after Zinzendorf arrived from Europe). Id., pp. 5, 1421, 1422

AMERICA
But before Zinzendorf and the Moravians at Bethlehem thus began the
observance of the Sabbath and prospered, there was a small body of German Sabbath-keepers in Pennsylvania.
--Rupp's "History of Religious Denominations in the United States," pp.109-123

19th Century Sabbath Observance

RUSSIA
"But the majority moved to the Crimea and the Caucasus, where they remain true to their doctrine in spite of persecution until this present time. The people call them Subotniki, or Sabbatarians,"
--Sternberg, "Geschichte der Juden in Polen," p.124

CHINA
"At this time Hung prohibited the use of opium, and even tobacco, and all intoxicating drinks, and the Sabbath was religiously observed."
"The seventh day is most religiously and strictly observed. The Taiping Sabbath is kept upon our Saturday." --The Ti-Ping Revolution," by Llin-Le, and officer among them, Vol. 1, pp.36-48, 84, pp. 319

CHINA
"The Taipings when asked why they observed the seventh day Sabbath, replied that it was, first, because the Bible taught it, and, second, because their ancestors observed it as a day of worship."
--A Critical History of the Sabbath and the Sunday.

INDIA AND PERSIA
"Besides, they maintain the solemn observance of Christian worship throughout our Empire, on the seventh day."
--Christian Researches in Asia, p.143

DENMARK
"This agitation was not without its effect. Pastor M.A. Sommer began observing the seventh day, and wrote in his church paper. "Indovet Kristendom" No.5,1875
an impressive article about the true Sabbath. In a letter to Elder John G.Matteson, he says:
"Among the Baptists here in Denmark there is a great agitation regarding the Sabbath commandment..However, I am probably the only preacher in Denmark who stands so near to the Adventists and who for many years has proclaimed Christ's second coming."
--Advent Tidente, May, 1875

SWEDEN (Baptists)
"We will now endeavour to show that the sanctification of the Sabbath has its foundation and its origin in a law which God at creation itself established for the whole world, and as a consequence thereof is binding on all men in all ages."
--Evangelisten (The Evangelist). Stockholm, May 30 to August 15,1863 (organ of the Swedish Baptist Church)

AMERICA, 1845
"Thus we see Dan. 7, 25, fulfilled, the little horn changing 'times and laws. 'Therefore it appears to me that all who keep the first day for the Sabbath are Pope's Sunday-keepers and God's Sabbath-breakers."
--Elder T.M. Preble, Feb.13, 1845

AMERICA (Seventh-day Adventists and Sabbatarian Church of God)
After the "Great Disappointment" of 1844, Adventists encountered 7th-day Baptists, and learned of the Sabbath. The Sabbatarian Adventists became two groups. Those who believed Ellen G. White to be a prophetess became the Seventh-day Adventists. The other group became known as the Sabbatarian Church of God. Both groups have propagated widely the keeping of the 7th-day Sabbath.
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Coltheart's original version gratefully obtained from www.tagnet.org/llt/sabcen.htm
Historical research material for this section obtained from ABCOG web site: www.abcog.org
[ABCOG is an independent Sabbatarian Church of God congregation.]
 

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Forth,

I shall get to your response, in the meantime are you able to answer this question simply.

Why did Yahweh want this day to be different than any other day, why so different? Why set this day apart from any of the other six days?

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Forth,

I shall get to your response, in the meantime are you able to answer this question simply.

Why did Yahweh want this day to be different than any other day, why so different? Why set this day apart from any of the other six days?

Insight

Why is the sky so blue? Far be it from me to attempt to psycho-analyze the thought processes of God Almighty. Does the pot have the right to ask the potter, 'Why hath thou made me so?' (Isa. 29:19)

Here's what the Word of God states:
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Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
(emphasis mine)
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H6942 SANCTIFY
קדשׁ
qâdash
kaw-dash'
A primitive root; to be (causatively make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally): - appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy (-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify (-ied one, self), X wholly.

From the above Strong's definition we can deduce that for whatever reason God set-apart the Seventh Day from all the six other days of a week. Maybe, it was because God 'made us in His image' and since He rested on the seventh day after His work of Creation we could emulate his divine example after our weeks work was accomplished. Or maybe it was to be a type of tithe (if you will) of our time.

I do know that if one considers ALL days the same (as many Christians do) this would, in effect, nullify the specialty or unique"differentness" sic. of the Sabbath day. From personal experience, I find observing the Sabbath to be a wonderful blessing. A special time to wind-down at the end of the week to consciously direct the focus of my thoughts from the mundane to the sublime. It also is an on-going visible testimony of our devotion & dedication to our Creator.
 

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Why is the sky so blue?



Good question - would you like to know the answer?

Far be it from me to attempt to psycho-analyze the thought processes of God Almighty.



This evasive language will not draw you closer to Him.

Don’t be afraid to consider His thoughts we do it all the time, sometimes without knowing it.

Does the pot have the right to ask the potter, 'Why hath thou made me so?' (Isa. 29:19)




True, but we are not asking that are we?

Here's what the Word of God states:
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Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. (emphasis mine)
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H6942 SANCTIFY
קדשׁ
qâdash
kaw-dash'
A primitive root; to be (causatively make, pronounce or observe as) clean (ceremonially or morally): - appoint, bid, consecrate, dedicate, defile, hallow, (be, keep) holy (-er, place), keep, prepare, proclaim, purify, sanctify (-ied one, self), X wholly.



Excellent!

From the above Strong's definition we can deduce that for whatever reason God set-apart the Seventh Day from all the six other days of a week. Maybe, it was because God 'made us in His image' and since He rested on the seventh day after His work of Creation we could emulate his divine example after our weeks work was accomplished. Or maybe it was to be a type of tithe (if you will) of our time.



Interesting thoughts and it appears you are trying to better understand what motivated His actions that day.

I do know that if one considers ALL days the same (as many Christians do) this would, in effect, nullify the specialty or unique"differentness" sic. of the Sabbath day. From personal experience, I find observing the Sabbath to be a wonderful blessing. A special time to wind-down at the end of the week to consciously direct the focus of my thoughts from the mundane to the sublime. It also is an on-going visible testimony of our devotion & dedication to our Creator.



James,

Thank you, I am enjoying this discussion.

Please be assured I am not attacking your solemn day, quite the opposite.

Though I do not keep it myself my understanding of the day speaks volumes of the Father and Son.

Your above answers reveal one fact to me which you will clearly see as being "true"!

God clearly wanted us to notice this day for some reason?

The reason is revealed to us in His Word, that we can be assured.

Hidden in the structure of this day there are principles or teachings that He wants you and I to know. This day, or the purpose of this day is very special in that Yahweh wanted His creation to learn from it.

Jesus understood these principles perfectly.

[sup]Mark 2:27[/sup]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: [sup]28[/sup]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The first lesson one must learn, is this.

What Jesus is saying is that "God "made" the Sabbath day to teach man certain principles; God did not make the man to teach the Sabbath" This may seem obvious, but you really need to get your mind around this one point.

You see it doesn’t say that God made anything on the Sabbath day!!!

But he appointed it for very special reasons.

Whatever those reasons are we know the Sabbath was designed for positive good -- a blessing and not a burden!

As you have rightly suggested Israel was not to be slave to the sabbath. Instead, Israel was to be made free by the sabbath!
 
Of course Jesus or the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath which is not restricted to a physical day but so much more, its the more I will be exploring.

I put to you, Jesus is Lord of the true Sabbath.

At this stage it is simply enough to know that God “made” the Sabbath to teach man divine principles. You have already elluded to us better understanding the creation day, sabbath law and the future sabbath.

If you are willing I am keen to explore these principles in greater detail.

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James Forthwright, on 24 November 2011 - 10:53 PM, said:
Why is the sky so blue?
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Good question - would you like to know the answer?

Save it, Insight. It was a rhetorical question and the exquisite azureness of the celestial doesn’t pertain to this thread.

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Far be it from me to attempt to psycho-analyze the thought processes of God Almighty.
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This evasive language will not draw you closer to Him.


Neither does believing that your “Insight” into the heavenly realm is more refined than mine.

Don’t be afraid to consider His thoughts we do it all the time, sometimes without knowing it.


Likewise, don’t be afraid to “Fear the Lord”, Insight, a little humility goes a long way.

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From the above Strong's definition we can deduce that for whatever reason God set-apart the Seventh Day from all the six other days of a week. Maybe, it was because God 'made us in His image' and since He rested on the seventh day after His work of Creation we could emulate his divine example after our weeks work was accomplished. Or maybe it was to be a type of tithe (if you will) of our time.

Interesting thoughts and it appears you are trying to better understand what motivated His actions that day.


I’m not convinced that it is the servant’s prerogative to question the Will of the Master or thoroughly understand His motives. Our primary obligation is love, obedience, faith and trust.

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I do know that if one considers ALL days the same (as many Christians do) this would, in effect, nullify the specialty or unique"differentness" sic. of the Sabbath day. From personal experience, I find observing the Sabbath to be a wonderful blessing. A special time to wind-down at the end of the week to consciously direct the focus of my thoughts from the mundane to the sublime. It also is an on-going visible testimony of our devotion & dedication to our Creator.
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James, Thank you, I am enjoying this discussion.
Please be assured I am not attacking your solemn day, quite the opposite.
Though I do not keep it myself my understanding of the day speaks volumes of the Father and Son.



Your casual lack of obedience to a simple commandment etched in stone by the finger of God also “speaks volumes”.


Your above answers reveal one fact to me which you will clearly see as being "true"!
God clearly wanted us to notice this day for some reason?
The reason is revealed to us in His Word, that we can be assured.
Hidden in the structure of this day there are principles or teachings that He wants you and I to know. This day, or the purpose of this day is very special in that Yahweh wanted His creation to learn from it.
Jesus understood these principles perfectly.



You are over-spiritualizing matters to justify your personal dogma. Jesus obeyed the Sabbath.
Why shouldn’t we?


[sup]Mark 2:27[/sup]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: [sup]28[/sup]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The first lesson one must learn, is this.

What Jesus is saying is that "God "made" the Sabbath day to teach man certain principles; God did not make the man to teach the Sabbath" This may seem obvious, but you really need to get your mind around this one point.


One of these fundamental principles of the Sabbath was to test mankind’s obedience on a weekly basis. And not to see how well they can formulate spiritual principled excuses to disannul one of the Ten Commandments.



You see it doesn’t say that God made anything on the Sabbath day!!!

Non sequitur. Never said or implied He did! It was a sanctified day of REST.


But he appointed it for very special reasons.
Whatever those reasons are we know the Sabbath was designed for positive good -- a blessing and not a burden!

Yes. Complete agreement.


As you have rightly suggested Israel was not to be slave to the sabbath. Instead, Israel was to be made free by the sabbath!
 
Of course Jesus or the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath which is not restricted to a physical day but so much more, its the more I will be exploring.

I put to you, Jesus is Lord of the true Sabbath.

At this stage it is simply enough to know that God “made” the Sabbath to teach man divine principles. You have already elluded to us better understanding the creation day, sabbath law and the future sabbath.

If you are willing I am keen to explore these principles in greater detail.

We are supposed to be made free in the Sabbath, NOT freed from the Sabbath. I’m not interested in your further explorations on Sabbath principles unless they can be thoroughly backed with the Word of God. As of yet, you’ve been markedly deficient in this regard.

You’re pontificating and beating around the burning bush. Get to the point, Insight!
 

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James,

To be frank with you "why bother"?

I’m not convinced that it is the servant’s prerogative to question the Will of the Master or thoroughly understand His motives. Our primary obligation is love, obedience, faith and trust.



Whatever I say will be tainted with this humanistic spirit/attitude.

My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. (Proverbs 2:1-5)

It appears out of your own mouth you need convincing of a different kind.

While I have you, to some, this may appear your justification, not to look too closely at your sacred day for fear of finding someting far more powerful and edifying.

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James,

To be frank with you "why bother"?

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Whatever I say will be tainted with this humanistic spirit/attitude.

My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee; So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. (Proverbs 2:1-5)

It appears out of your on mouth you need convincing of a different nature.

Insight

I merely asked that you get to the point and supply scriptures to bolster your conclusions. If you can't do that there's no need to continue this discussion. I've also grown weary of your continual condescention and refusal to plainly state your views. Good day.
 

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I thought that is what we were doing?

So far we are here using Scripture mind you.

Jesus understood these principles perfectly.

[sup]Mark 2:27[/sup]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: [sup]28[/sup]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The first lesson one must learn, is this.

What Jesus is saying is that "God "made" the Sabbath day to teach man certain principles; God did not make the man to teach the Sabbath" This may seem obvious, but you really need to get your mind around this one point.

If you dont believe there is anything to learn in this day?

Why should we continue?...you can keep adhering to a day for whatever reason you desire!
 
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I thought that is what we were doing?

So far we are here using Scripture mind you.

Jesus understood these principles perfectly.

[sup]Mark 2:27[/sup]And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: [sup]28[/sup]Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The first lesson one must learn, is this.

What Jesus is saying is that "God "made" the Sabbath day to teach man certain principles; God did not make the man to teach the Sabbath" This may seem obvious, but you really need to get your mind around this one point.

Nowhere in Mark 2:27 does it say or imply ANYTHING about "teaching" or "certain principles". The verse merely states that the sabbath was made for man. It was intended as a day of rest and blessing. The Jews corrupted that holy day and Christ demonstrated that we can still observe it following His example as God originally intended.

If you dont believe there is anything to learn in this day?

Why should we continue?...you can keep adhering to a day for whatever reason you desire!

One of the best ways to learn about the Sabbath is experientially, i.e., actually practicing it.

We can continue if you like. However, it would be appreciated if you posted something new rather than a cut n' paste of what you've already stated.

You've also failed to address my earlier post in which I listed Sabbath observance throughout history.
 

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Nowhere in Mark 2:27 does it say or imply ANYTHING about "teaching" or "certain principles".


So you believe Jesus was teaching "nothing" here in Mark 2:27? Other than adhering to a day.

The verse merely states that the sabbath was made for man.



There is more if you would look closer.

The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

Well, If God designated this day for man are you saying He had no motives for doing so? Why is Jesus bringing this to their attention? And what is he implying to the audience?

It was intended as a day of rest and blessing. The Jews corrupted that holy day and Christ demonstrated that we can still observe it following His example as God originally intended.



But you limit this teaching to a single day?

One of the best ways to learn about the Sabbath is experientially, i.e., actually practicing it.



Yes I practice it everyday as per the Masters example.

We can continue if you like. However, it would be appreciated if you posted something new rather than a cut n' paste of what you've already stated.

You've also failed to address my earlier post in which I listed Sabbath observance throughout history.


The reposting occurred due to your limitation of Christ’s teachings, which I still feel is the case.

It appears you place considerable weight on keeping a day more than understanding the good and holy motives behind it.

So we both agree the Sabbath Law (Moses) commanded the people to rest from all their labours, or as Exodus puts it, they ceased from all their works. Exo 16:22-26. God is teaching that as I rested when I did my works, so therefore you are to rest from your works.

Do you know who the first person was to break the Sabbath?