Saturday is Sabbath day...

Insight said:

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The Sabbath principles

Christians ought not to celebrate the Sabbath...as we Celebrate the Lord of the Sabbath.

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Yes, it is as if they do not fully discern the body of Christ.

We have rest in that body (his spiritual body). Is that supposed to be part time?

Psalms 132:7 We will go into his tabernacles: we will worship at his footstool (which is the earth Isaiah 66:1).
8 Arise, O LORD, into thy rest; thou, and the ark of thy strength.
9 Let thy priests be clothed with righteousness; and let thy saints shout for joy.
10 For thy servant David's sake turn not away the face of thine anointed.
11 ¶The LORD hath sworn in truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
12 If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore.
13 For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.
14 This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.
15 I will abundantly bless her provision: I will satisfy her poor with bread.
16 I will also clothe her priests with salvation: and her saints shall shout aloud for joy.
17 There will I make the horn of David to bud: I have ordained a lamp for mine anointed.
18 His enemies will I clothe with shame: but upon himself shall his crown flourish.

Galatians 4:26 "But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." Galatians 4:31 "So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free."

Matthew 11:29 "Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls."

marksman said:

Why do most Christians celebrate on Sunday? Because Christ gave us something much better.....a new covenant, which is much better than the old and which fulfilled the Jewish Sabbath.

Does that mean the other nine commandments are not relevant?

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Christ gave us a much better law. He said that the two greatest commandments is to love God with all your heart, mind, and soul, and secondly to love your neighbor as yourself. These two fulfill all the laws and the prophets.

This "six day" creation was linked to the Sabbath because the Sabbath has something to do with mankind's salvation.

Not once does the scripture imply keeping the Sabbath is crucial to our salvation.

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Yes, it does. The Holy Bible says that God commanded Israel to keep the Sabbath. Not keeping the Sabbath would be going against what God commanded. It is called "disobedience." Disobedience to God or going against God's commandment will not bring you salvation.

Finally, the Sabbath of the Christians is not the same as the Jews. For Christians, they are no longer under the Old Covenant. They are now under the New Covenant. This New Covenant brought fourth a new Sabbath for Christians, which is Sunday.....the Lord's Day. It was on Sunday when Christ rose from the dead. It was on Sunday when Christ ascended to Heaven. It was Sunday when the Holy Spirit descended on the Apostles and His disciples, and it was on Sunday when the Apostles "broke bread" with each other. Sunday became known as the Lord's Day.....and Sunday was linked to a NEW CREATION. It was in Christ Jesus that Christians were made into a new creation and we became a new creature in Christ's death and resurrection.

This is all fanciful speculation that is not backed up by scripture.

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Actually, it is found in Scripture.

1. God DID create a new convenant (See Jeremiah 31:31, Hebrews 8:8, Hebrews 9:15, Hebrews 12:24). Therefore we are under a new convenant, and the Mediator of the New Covenant is Jesus (See Hebrews 12:24). Already in the Old Testament, God expressed disappointment over the Hebrew Sabbath (See Isaiah 1:13-15).

2. It was on Sunday when Christ rose from the dead (See Matthew chapter 28).

3. The Holy Spirit descended upon the Church on Pentecost Sunday (See Acts 2:1-3).

4. After His Resurrection, Jesus appeared to the Apostles twice, each on Sunday (See John 20:19 & 26).

5. It was also on Sundays that the Apostles assembled together to break bread (See Acts 20:7).

6. The Holy Bible does speak of the Lord's Day. It was on Sunday when St. John received a revelation from God and wrote the Book of Revelation (Rev. 1:10). St. John stated that he was in the spirit on the Lord's Day. The Lord's Day is Sunday.

Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish Sabbath and announces man's eternal rest in God.

Where does it say this in scripture?

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Jesus is the end of the law and the Lord of the Sabbath (See Romans 10:4 and Mark 2:28) Jesus Christ is the blood of the New Covenant shed for our sins (See Mark 14:24). Christ is the Mediator of the New Covenant (See Hebrews 12:24). Why should I follow the Old Covenant when I should be following Jesus, our Mediator of the New Covenant?

Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish Sabbath because it is only in Jesus (the Mediator of the New Covenant) where one can find eternal rest in God. It is NOT the Jewish Law or the Jewish Sabbath that will give us eternal life and eternal rest, but Christ Himself, who is the end of the Law and the Lord of the Sabbath. His resurrection (which occurred on a Sunday) is what gave us redemption and salvation. We are no longer under the Old Covenant. We are under the New Covenant because our Lord Jesus Christ is the Mediator of that New Covenant (See Hebrews 12:24).

The Jewish sabbath is not saturday, but rather the first day of the week beginning at sundown on friday.

rockytopva said:

This was all started by the apostles...

And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight - Acts 20:7

Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. - 1 Cor 16:2

The first day of the week, Sunday, marks the day that Jesus rose again.

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This is pretty much what I was getting at, yet with far fewer words, except of course the day Jesus rose (which I believe the Bible to say is Saturday, but we could hold that arguement off until March or April!) Thanks for the more condensed explanation, Rockytopva

Everyday is shabat for the LORD's holy healers. That is why Jesus was healing on shabat. The true followers of Jesus Christ are the healers and that is why in the scripture it tells you that those that make themselves and others holy are his family.

Shabat was never meant to be about worship or ritual.

Its meant to be about rest so that people can be in communion with the LORD. When healers are healing they are in sacred union with the divine.

Isn't this debate akin to arguing over how many angles dance on the head of a pin?

Romans 14:4-13

4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.
5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.

7 For none of us lives to himself, and no one dies to himself.
8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.
9 For to this end Christ died and rose and lived again, that He might be Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written: "As I live, says the Lord, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God."
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.
13 Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather resolve this, not to put a stumbling block or a cause to fall in our brother's way.
NKJV

mcorba said:

Well this is as clear as mud so far!

Is it scripture or not that Sunday is the new covenant Lord's Day, replacing Sabbath from late Friday to Saturday evening?

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The scriptures says what they say. Don't you believe them?

6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.

mcorba said:

...so why do so many worship on Sunday, the first day of the week?

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Walk with God 24/7 and this problem will go away.

Galatians 4
9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?
10 You observe days and months and seasons and years.
11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.




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RichardBurger said:

The scriptures says what they say. Don't you believe them?

6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.

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Any one is free to observe or not observe the Sabbath but to base your non-observance and dismissal of one of the cardinal Ten Commandments on the merit of ONE SCRIPTURE (or just a few) is IMO not a wise discision. Especially when the "Sabbath" in the sacred Bible is mentioned 95 times in the OT and 55 times in the NT.

Jesus Himself warned of the dangers of teaching others to dismiss God's Law:

Mat 5:19 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

James,

It appears you are experiencing similar problems here.

I have noticed you quote this passage a number of times in view of inferring the written law should be kept?

Is this what Jesus is teaching in Matt 5:22?

Maybe you could show us where the Law commanded that a man could not become angry with his brother?

Yes Jesus quoted the Law citing Exo 20:13 & Deut 5:17, Matt 5:21

Where in this law does it imply a breaking of law if one becomes angry with his brother?

I must need ask which commandment?

Do not murder?
Do not be angry with your brother?

Or both?

If both, explain.

Here is my understanding on this passage which I feel is being missrepresented in your defense of keeping a day.

“But I (Jesus) say unto you (James)”

Not the law speaking!!!

If a man murdered his brother we see Jesus taking us deeper than mere words written in stone! Jesus takes us to the springs of the action – the disposition to do wrong equated with the act.

You see a tribunal can’t judge this James!!!

You and I both know that murder is the end of the process.

1. Anger – 2. contempt – 3. hatred = murder!

”angry with his brother” Matt 5:21

Note “brother” Lev 19:17 Yahweh who has just cause is “slow to anger” Psa 145:8.

We know Anger in man impedes Divine likeness James 1:19-20.

”without a cause” - So there is righteous anger! Mark 3:5, Eph 4:26 but anger harbored in the heart, betrays an absence of love.

The law was designed to teach the Jew these vital divine principles.

“anger” - danger of judgment (the law could only permit them to judge the final action!!! Matt 5:21)

”raca” - (Heb: ‘empty head’) – the Sanhedrin – higher court. ”fool” - “more”, “morally stupid” (Heb equivalent: ‘moreh’ - used of a rebellious son Deut 21:18,19,20).

So in conclusion is Jesus teaching a written Law or a moral divine principle to be written upon the heart?

Leave it with you.

mcorba said:

Well this is as clear as mud so far!

Is it scripture or not that Sunday is the new covenant Lord's Day, replacing Sabbath from late Friday to Saturday evening?

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Who do you follow.......the Sabbath Law or Jesus Christ who is Lord of the Sabbath?

Col. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon or of the sabbath.

mcorba said:

It matters to me (and us as the Body of Christ) because we are meant to follow biblical instruction and if we are celebrating the Sabbath in wrong day we are going against Christ's words and the actual Commandment too!

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The new commandment is for the disciples to love each other as Christ has loved them... Is their a day better than today to walk in love for the brothers and the Spirit of the Lord?

James Forthwright said:

Any one is free to observe or not observe the Sabbath but to base your non-observance and dismissal of one of the cardinal Ten Commandments on the merit of ONE SCRIPTURE (or just a few) is IMO not a wise discision. Especially when the "Sabbath" in the sacred Bible is mentioned 95 times in the OT and 55 times in the NT.

Jesus Himself warned of the dangers of teaching others to dismiss God's Law:

Mat 5:19 "Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

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Since you believe in blending the gospel of the kingdom (law) with the gospel of grace (no law) you will always think that the children of God are under laws that you determine apply to us. Paul clearly said that we are dead to the law. He did not say we are dead to just some of the law. Paul also said, in clear words, that if we seek to be saved by the works of the law we have fallen from grace.

mcorba said:

...so why do so many worship on Sunday, the first day of the week?

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If we are priests, if we are the temple of God, if we carry our alter (cross) and if we offer up ourselves, when are we not actively involved in a very formal type worship?

Was Satarday the only Sabbeth days?

We know that the common Jew kept the Sabbeth "rest", but did the priest keep the sabbeth rest? What did the priest "do" as part of their "rest"?

The Sabbath that you are supposed to remember and keep it Holy is the day of the Lord. His thousand year reign here on earth once the Holy messengers have removed everything that offends, all of mans creations and those who practice lawlessness.


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"The Lords Portion is His People". Deuteronomy 32:9


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Matthew 13
41 The Son of Man will send out His messengers, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,

It seems to be the case here that many of you so called 'Christians' on this board have forgotten that Jesus is the self professed King Of The Jews.

David Israel said:

It seems to be the case here that many of you so called 'Christians' on this board have forgotten that Jesus is the self professed King Of The Jews.

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Yes, King of both of the Natural (Ishmael) and the Spiritual (Isaac)

Insight