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It seems to be the case here that many of you so called 'Christians' on this board have forgotten that Jesus is the self professed King Of The Jews.

When you say "so called 'Christians'" of course you mean "God being the Judge".

Because even if some are misguided today that doesn't mean they will not find the way tomorrow. Especially if they are searching for the truth.

Christ was not only self professed, He was also God professed and bore witness of by more than two or three written witnesses.



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David Israel

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How then can the King of The Jews, who's kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, change his own sabbath day which he ordained before there was even a man to til the ground on this planet? He ordained the sabbath to be a sign between himself and his believers for a perpetual covenant forever(Exodus 31:14-16) and here on this topic, you people say he struck this law from the covenant for you? How?

In Matthew 24:15, Jesus warned latter day believers about the anti-christ with the following words:

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"

Now let's examine this abomination of desolation. In Daniel 7, the holy spirit showed him a vision about the rise and fall of the four great gentile kingdoms upon the earth. The fourth kingdom, which we are currently living under, is none other than the so-called Holy Roman Empire. It is described by Daniel as a great and terrible beast with ten horn and iron teeth. The abomination of desolation is the little horn in Daniel 7 that came up within the ten horns on the fourth beast that he saw.

Daniel 7:25 gives the following description of the abomination of desolation:
"And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."

So now we have established that the anti-christ was to come in history and change the times(lunar calendar) and laws(covenant/commandments.)

If you read Acts 13, you will see that the first gentiles that came into Christianity sought to be taught on the sabbath day, and not Sunday.
The doctrine of Christ spread among the gentiles to the point where it was formally adopted by Rome, and this is where the times and laws of the covenant were changed.

If any of you doubt within yourselves if this is true, consider the following scripture of prophecy written by Jeremiah the prophet (16:19)

"O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and [things] wherein [there is] no profit."

btw. Insight: The twelve tribes of Israel come from the bloodline of Isaac, not Ishmael.
 

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I dont really hear a response that is crystal clear and based on scripture from the above responses. I am hearing a lot of prevarication and perhaps uncertainty?
1. We cannot discount the Old Testament Commandments.
2. There doesn't seem to be a specific, clear NT scripture that states: 'Sunday is the new Sabbath', right?
Brief and clear answers would be awesome, thanks. :rolleyes:
 

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Sunday is the Christian Sabbath, and was the Sabbath day followed by the founders of the Constitution of The United States of America. The proof is with still existing 'Blue Laws' limiting business and transactions, and selling of alcoholic beverages on Sunday still in many counties inside the U.S. states (especially in the Southern states).

And if Jews are so bent on keeping to Saturday as God's Sabbath, then why... do so many of them conduct business and allow their business' across the country to operate on that day, since that was forbidden per God's laws on the Sabbath? (Ownership of a business in allowing it to be operated by others on Saturday does not free the 'owners' from responsibility).

Where are the establishing of historical Blue Laws for a Saturday Sabbath per the history of the U.S.? Won't find them, but one will... find Blue Laws existing in observance of a SUNDAY Christian Sabbath!
 

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Sabbath actually begins at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday.



If America is indeed a Christian nation and has its own lawful spritiual sabbath day accepted by Christ, then why is Christ going to gather ALL(including America) nations to the valley of Jehoshaphat to destroy them, thus becoming king of kings and lord of lords???



I guess you do not know that many of the people living in the USA are the natural seed of Israel.
 

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All I have to say is if this is the biggest issue facing anyone they're in great shape.

Ha! I think it is one of those safe issues people can type pages and pages of arguments about.....zzz

The first day of the week is Sunday, Tom....sorry.
 

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Ha! I think it is one of those safe issues people can type pages and pages of arguments about.....zzz

The first day of the week is Sunday, Tom....sorry.

Seriously though...I'm not convinced it matters. Jesus is interested in the intent of the heart and he made that pretty clear in this episode...

And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him. And, behold, there was a certain man before him which had the dropsy. And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day? And they held their peace. And he took [him], and healed him, and let him go; And answered them, saying, Which of you shall have an ass or an ox fallen into a pit, and will not straightway pull him out on the sabbath day? And they could not answer him again to these things. Luke 14:1-6

Doesn't seem to me like it matters if you have to work on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, whatever, in order to feed your family, and then you observe a "sabbath day" on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, whatever. I also believe that was made clear here...

But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. 1Tim. 5:8
 

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Ha! I think it is one of those safe issues people can type pages and pages of arguments about.....zzz

The first day of the week is Sunday, Tom....sorry.

Yes that's true, and I was not talking about the first day of the week, was I? I said, "Sabbath actually begins at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday. And as epis added, Sabboth was the seventh day of God's week. (Remember God's day alway begins with the evening. That will be important soon).
 
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I'm sure you might wish... that's gonna happen, but it's not, because God's Spiritual Israel is in the West with those historical Christian nations! Just so happens, a whole lot of Judah that believes in God of Israel are there also, no doubt more than there exists in the state of Israel today!

If you're listening to those telling you the western Christian nations are going to come up against the state of Israel on the last day, then you're listening to liars, for none of those Christian nations are listed in those of Ezekiel 38 that will come upon the state of Israel. You're listening to tricker-treaters.
 

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When Christ returns, then... we all are going to honor God's Sabbaths and holy days, and laws of His House (per Ezekiel 40 - 48). This is also covered in passing in Hebrews 3 & 4 about Christ's future Millennium, a 'day' of His Rest. Until then, the traditional sabbath represents a shadow of the real Sabbath yet to come.

Nothing wrong if a believer on Christ wants to observe Saturday as God's Sabbath, or even Sunday under Christ either (Colossians 2).

Col 2:14-17
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
(KJV)

The Greek word for "sabbath" there is 'sabbaton', specifically the idea of the weekly sabbath.


Mark 2:25-28
25 And He said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27 And He said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
(KJV)

God made the sabbath FOR... man, not man FOR... the sabbath, per our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

David Israel

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Sabbath actually begins at sundown on Friday and ends at sundown on Saturday.

I have been teaching this sir for the past twelve years.


I guess you do not know that many of the people living in the USA are the natural seed of Israel.

Again, I have been teaching this for over a decade and we can open a separate thread debate as to who they are in this present day if you so choose.
I'm sure you might wish... that's gonna happen, but it's not, because God's Spiritual Israel is in the West with those historical Christian nations! Just so happens, a whole lot of Judah that believes in God of Israel are there also, no doubt more than there exists in the state of Israel today!

Sir it is not about what my wishes are, I just read and quote the book, which are the exact wishes and prophecy of Christ himself.

If you're listening to those telling you the western Christian nations are going to come up against the state of Israel on the last day, then you're listening to liars, for none of those Christian nations are listed in those of Ezekiel 38 that will come upon the state of Israel. You're listening to tricker-treaters.

Well I was expecting a treat from you in the form of scriptures supporting your stance, but there are none here in your rebuttal, only your thoughts. :(
 
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Just wanted to wish everyone a blessed Sabbath day! May the Peace of God be upon you all.
 

David Israel

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When Christ returns, then... we all are going to honor God's Sabbaths and holy days, and laws of His House (per Ezekiel 40 - 48). This is also covered in passing in Hebrews 3 & 4 about Christ's future Millennium, a 'day' of His Rest. Until then, the traditional sabbath represents a shadow of the real Sabbath yet to come.

The real sabbath? that day was established in Genesis:02 01-05 before there was a man to til the ground!
This fact is established in the very scripture that you quote, Hebrews 04:04
So let's examine the sabbath which is yet to come:
The bible clearly commanded that man is to rest in the ten commandments, Exodus 20:08.
In Ezekiel 20:19-20 he expounds further on the sabbath that it is a sign of belief: "I [am] the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I [am] the LORD your God." How is the seventh a sign between man and Christ? Because he rests every seven days just as he commanded us to do the same, that's how. We already covered Jesus resting on the seventh day before he created man, again in Genesis 02:01-05.
Psalms 90:04 & II Peter 03:08 reveal the relative time scale for celestial beings(God, angels) against that of flesh & blood as it reads:
"But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."
This scripture places the appearance of Jesus in his kingdom around seven thousand years after the birth of the first man Adam, and it is totally plausible. The reason it plausible is because of whats written in Revelation 20:01-07 where Satan is bound in chains for a millenium day or one thousand years. This is explains why Jesus made the remark to the Pharisees that questioned his disciples plucking and eating corn on the sabbath day in Mark: "the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath." This is because Jesus does not need rest from Satan, man does! Remember, it was Jesus that cast Satan to the earth before he created man from the dust of the ground.

The question now becomes what is the first day(or thousand years in Gods time) and who is it a sign between?
Remember now, when Christ warned Adam & Eve not to eat of the fruit(of lies) from Satan, he gave them the following quote:
Genesis 02:17 - "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."
Satan afterward brought death upon all men froward by convincing Adam & Eve to disobeying the Lord's commandment(much like the Sabbath command), and Adam literally died in that same God-cycled millenium day in Genesis 05:05
"And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died."

Other questions that I have to anyone who believes in the first day being the sabbath day are:

1. Shouldn't the Lord have rested on the first millenium day of creation of the earth, sun, and moon, instead of doing otherwise in Genesis 01:01-05?
2. Shouldn't the Lord have rested on the first millenium day after Genesis 02:02, instead of creating Adam & Eve?

Nothing wrong if a believer on Christ wants to observe Saturday as God's Sabbath, or even Sunday under Christ either (Colossians 2).

Col 2:14-17
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to His cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, He made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
(KJV)

The Greek word for "sabbath" there is 'sabbaton', specifically the idea of the weekly sabbath.


Mark 2:25-28
25 And He said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
27 And He said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
(KJV)

God made the sabbath FOR... man, not man FOR... the sabbath, per our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

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Well I was expecting a treat from you in the form of scriptures supporting your stance, but there are none here in your rebuttal, only your thoughts. :(

You're bearing false witness with saying that.

I gave a Scripture reference that confirms Biblically what I said, Ezekiel 38 with the list of nations that GOD GIVES that are to come upon Israel on the last day.

Thus it is YOU that is only outlaying your own thoughts without relevant Scripture to back it up. You do what you accuse me of doing, which is bearing false witness.