Saturday is Sabbath day...

veteran said:

You're bearing false witness with saying that.

I gave a Scripture reference that confirms Biblically what I said, Ezekiel 38 with the list of nations that GOD GIVES that are to come upon Israel on the last day.

Thus it is YOU that is only outlaying your own thoughts without relevant Scripture to back it up. You do what you accuse me of doing, which is bearing false witness.

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veteran said:

You're bearing false witness with saying that.

I gave a Scripture reference that confirms Biblically what I said, Ezekiel 38 with the list of nations that GOD GIVES that are to come upon Israel on the last day.

Thus it is YOU that is only outlaying your own thoughts without relevant Scripture to back it up. You do what you accuse me of doing, which is bearing false witness.

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Ezekiel 38 only outlines Gog & Magog(Medes & Persians) descending upon Jerusalem to interrupt the rest(millenium sabbath) of the children of Israel and all the world at that time
Ezekiel 38:11-12 reads:

"And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places [that are now] inhabited, and upon the people [that are] gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land."​

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This is the same Gog & Magog that will be devoured by fire coming down from heaven by God the father in Revelation 20:07-09

"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.

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I guess you dont understand that there are three final battles that will unfold before the kingdom of the father, new Jerusalem descends from heaven wherein death and hell will be swallowed up in victory.

Gog & Magog with Libya and Ethiopia with perhaps a few other nations does not represent ALL NATIONS by any stretch of the imagination sir!
The battle that I was quoting starting with Joel 03:09 is none other than the battle of Armegeddon.
If you continue on reading Joel 03:15 it reads:

"The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining."

All of the prophets and apostles spoke of this event, and it is usually characterized by the previous line. You see the Lord will have to subdue ALL of the soverign
in order to establish his kingdom and become King of Kings and Lord of Lords. The scripture that you quoted was not the same battle, it is a subsequent battle.

No, the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 is not the same event of Rev.20 that occurs AFTER... Christ's "thousand years" reign.

The second mention of Gog and Magog of Rev.20:8 is when the "camp of the saints" already exists in the area of Jerusalem, which doesn't even begin until Christ's second coming.

The Gog and Magog example of Ezekiel 38-39 is for just prior... to Christ's second coming, because the Millennium temple starting at Ezekiel 40 forward follows... that event.

Knowing that Ezekiel 38-39 is for the last days just prior to Christ's second coming is easy. All one needs to do is read.

Ezek 38:1-23
1 And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

The reference to the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal is to the area known as Russia. All one need do is look at Russia's allies in the world today to recognize this band is joining together against God's people today.


4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:
5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:
6 Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

Persia (Iraq-Iran), Ethiopia (Sudan, which used to be part of Ethiopia), Libya (needs no explanation), Gomer (areas around Armenia near Russia, and Togarmah (areas near Turkey). Only Turkey is not allied with Russia against the West today, yet.


7 Be thou prepared, and prepare for thyself, thou, and all thy company that are assembled unto thee, and be thou a guard unto them.
8 After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
9 Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
10 Thus saith the Lord GOD; It shall also come to pass, that at the same time shall things come into thy mind, and thou shalt think an evil thought:
11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.
13 Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, "Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?"
14 Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when My people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?
15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:
16 And thou shalt come up against My people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against My land, that the heathen may know Me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

The heathen don't know Who The GOD is until that event that's set to occur prior to Christ's return. After Christ's second coming during His Millennium reign, all nations will know Who GOD is, and will be required to go up to Jerusalem year after year to worship Christ The King (per end of Zech.14). This event of the northern armies out of the northern quarters coming upon Israel is on the last day of this present world just prior to Christ's coming; it's the Luke 21 event of the armies surrounding Jerusalem on the last day of this world. Christ showed there that's what will usher in His second coming.


17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by My servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?
18 And it shall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that My fury shall come up in My face.
19 For in My jealousy and in the fire of My wrath have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;
20 So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at My presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.
21 And I will call for a sword against him throughout all My mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.
22 And I will plead against him with pestilence and with blood; and I will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, an overflowing rain, and great hailstones, fire, and brimstone.
23 Thus will I magnify Myself, and sanctify Myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the LORD.
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That's the Rev.16 Armageddon event, set to occur on the last day of this present world with Christ's second coming. That will occur prior to Christ's "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.



Ezek 39:1-40:49
1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:
2 And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel:

A sixth part of these are left after God's wrath upon that northern army, which is shown in the Zech.14 Scripture of those nations left that will have come up against Jerusalem on the last day of this present world. With those of Rev.20:8, none of them are left. That reveals these not destroyed at Christ's coming with the battle of Armageddon will remain throughout Christ's "thousand years" reign, and most likely be part of the final Gog and Magog of Rev.20:8 that Satan leads upon the "camp of the saints" at the end of Christ's Millennium reign.



3 And I will smite thy bow out of thy left hand, and will cause thine arrows to fall out of thy right hand.
4 Thou shalt fall upon the mountains of Israel, thou, and all thy bands, and the people that is with thee: I will give thee unto the ravenous birds of every sort, and to the beasts of the field to be devoured.
5 Thou shalt fall upon the open field: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.
6 And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD.
7 So will I make My holy name known in the midst of My people Israel; and I will not let them pollute My holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.
8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

That's the great battle to end this present world at Christ's second coming, the battle of Armageddon (Rev.16). It's the great supper of God per Rev.19 when the fowls will eat the flesh of the wicked.


9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:
10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.
12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD.
14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.
15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.
16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.

Hamongog nor the city of Hamonah does not yet exist.



17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to My sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of My sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
20 Thus ye shall be filled at My table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord GOD.
21 And I will set My glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see My judgment that I have executed, and My hand that I have laid upon them.
22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

That's the supper of Rev.19 again from God's wrath on the last day of this world. At that time the scattered tribes of the "house of Israel" will then know The LORD their God from that day forward. That will occur with Christ's second coming to gather the "house of Israel" per the OT prophets. At the end of Christ's "thousand years", those will have already been gathered, once again marking these Ezek.38-39 events for the end of this present world, and not after Christ's thousand years reign.


23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against Me, therefore hid I My face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.
24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid My face from them.
25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for My holy name;
26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against Me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29 Neither will I hide My face any more from them: for I have poured out My spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

That gathering of the ten tribed "house of Israel" will happen at Christ's second coming, not after the Rev.20 thousand years. That's another marker to show this Ezek.38-39 event is for the end of this present world, and not after Christ's Millennium reign. It's so... easy!

Now let's look at the Joel 3 Scripture to find out exactly what 'time' it is for...


Joel 3:1-21
1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for My people and for My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted My land.

The time when God will bring His Own captivity (positive sense) of Judah and Jerusalem is at Christ's second coming. That's when the gathering of His people back to the lands of promise is to occur. God links that time here with gathering all nations to the "valley of Jehoshaphat" which is the final battle of this present world, the battle of Armageddon (Rev.16 & 19).


3 And they have cast lots for My people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
4 Yea, and what have ye to do with Me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render Me a recompence? and if ye recompence me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;
5 Because ye have taken My silver and My gold, and have carried into your temples My goodly pleasant things:
6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.
7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:
8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it.

God pronounces a recompense upon the nations of enemies of His people who sold Judah and scattered them out of the holy land in trying to claim the holy lands for themselves.


9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.

Christ referred to this event in Rev.19 about putting in the sickle for the harvest is ripe. It's about a destruction upon the nations that surround Jerusalem on the final day of this present world, at Christ's second coming.


14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter His voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of His people, and the strength of the children of Israel.

That day of The LORD event is timed to occur with Christ's second coming "as a thief" per 1 Thess.5 and 2 Pet.3:10, and Rev.16 with Armageddon. So this gathering of the nations is for the end of this present world just prior... to Christ's return, not for after Christ's thousand years reign.



17 So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, My holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more.
18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim.
19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land.
20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation.
21 For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion.
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That begins with Christ's Millennium reign of Rev.20 and Ezek.40 through 47, not at the end of Christ's "thousand years", but at the beginning. That's when God's River will manifest on earth flowing out of the Millennial sanctuary as per Ezek.47 and Rev.22.

veteran said:

No, the Gog and Magog of Ezekiel 38-39 is not the same event of Rev.20 that occurs AFTER... Christ's "thousand years" reign. The second mention of Gog and Magog of Rev.20:8 is when the "camp of the saints" already exists in the area of Jerusalem, which doesn't even begin until Christ's second coming. The Gog and Magog example of Ezekiel 38-39 is for just prior... to Christ's second coming, because the Millennium temple starting at Ezekiel 40 forward follows... that event.

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Who said that this was the same event? Are you even reading the notes? I said that these are the same people sir
I also remarked that there are three final battles and proceeded to name two of the three. Ezekiel 38 details the second of the last three battles between man & God.

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Now let's look at the Joel 3 Scripture to find out exactly what 'time' it is for... Joel 3:1-21 1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, 2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for My people and for My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted My land. The time when God will bring His Own captivity (positive sense) of Judah and Jerusalem is at Christ's second coming. That's when the gathering of His people back to the lands of promise is to occur. God links that time here with gathering all nations to the "valley of Jehoshaphat" which is the final battle of this present world, the battle of Armageddon (Rev.16 & 19). 3 And they have cast lots for My people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink. 4 Yea, and what have ye to do with Me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render Me a recompence? and if ye recompence me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head; 5 Because ye have taken My silver and My gold, and have carried into your temples My goodly pleasant things: 6 The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border. 7 Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head: 8 And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it. God pronounces a recompense upon the nations of enemies of His people who sold Judah and scattered them out of the holy land in trying to claim the holy lands for themselves. 9 Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up: 10 Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong. 11 Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD. 12 Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about. 13 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. Christ referred to this event in Rev.19 about putting in the sickle for the harvest is ripe. It's about a destruction upon the nations that surround Jerusalem on the final day of this present world, at Christ's second coming. 14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision. 15 The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. 16 The LORD also shall roar out of Zion, and utter His voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the LORD will be the hope of His people, and the strength of the children of Israel. That day of The LORD event is timed to occur with Christ's second coming "as a thief" per 1 Thess.5 and 2 Pet.3:10, and Rev.16 with Armageddon. So this gathering of the nations is for the end of this present world just prior... to Christ's return, not for after Christ's thousand years reign. 17 So shall ye know that I am the LORD your God dwelling in Zion, My holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. 18 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk, and all the rivers of Judah shall flow with waters, and a fountain shall come forth of the house of the LORD, and shall water the valley of Shittim. 19 Egypt shall be a desolation, and Edom shall be a desolate wilderness, for the violence against the children of Judah, because they have shed innocent blood in their land. 20 But Judah shall dwell for ever, and Jerusalem from generation to generation. 21 For I will cleanse their blood that I have not cleansed: for the LORD dwelleth in Zion. (KJV) That begins with Christ's Millennium reign of Rev.20 and Ezek.40 through 47, not at the end of Christ's "thousand years", but at the beginning. That's when God's River will manifest on earth flowing out of the Millennial sanctuary as per Ezek.47 and Rev.22.

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And you posted this for what?
Let's how we got where we are right now.
I originally posted Joel 3 to prove that the Lord will gather all nations to Armegeddon at his coming to dole out punishment and take over the world.
This was done in response to a silly claim that the Sunday Law established in the American south represents a placeholder for the Lord's sabbath until his arrival in his kingdom. Not that I needed to do that in the first place, seeing that I quoted Jeremiah 16:19, which is exactly what the Gentiles will say about their Sunday law in retrospect.
This is an easy debate seeing that all of the prophets spoke testifying about the exact same event(gathering all nations to battle.)
Sunday is not the Lord's sabbath day no matter how many unrelated scriptures you try to post on this topic Sir, but since you insist upon trying to put up a debate, I'll play this little game with you and continue to raise you at every turn.
So now a new question in response to your last posting:

What is Jeremiah speaking of when he prophesied that ALL NATIONS will have to drink of the cup of the fury of the Lord in 25:15 as it reads:

"For thus saith the LORD God of Israel unto me; Take the wine cup of this fury at my hand, and cause all the nations, to whom I send thee, to drink it.

And they shall drink, and be moved, and be mad, because of the sword that I will send among them.​

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Then took I the cup at the LORD'S hand, and made all the nations to drink, unto whom the LORD had sent me:​

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[To wit], Jerusalem, and the cities of Judah, and the kings thereof, and the princes thereof, to make them a desolation, an astonishment, an hissing, and a curse; as [it is] this day;​

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Pharaoh king of Egypt, and his servants, and his princes, and all his people;​

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And all the mingled people, and all the kings of the land of Uz, and all the kings of the land of the Philistines, and Ashkelon, and Azzah, and Ekron, and the remnant of Ashdod,​

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Edom, and Moab, and the children of Ammon,​

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And all the kings of Tyrus, and all the kings of Zidon, and the kings of the isles which [are] beyond the sea,​

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Dedan, and Tema, and Buz, and all [that are] in the utmost corners,​

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And all the kings of Arabia, and all the kings of the mingled people that dwell in the desert,​

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And all the kings of Zimri, and all the kings of Elam, and all the kings of the Medes,​

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And all the kings of the north, far and near, one with another, and all the kingdoms of the world, which [are] upon the face of the earth: and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.​

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Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.​

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And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink.​

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For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.​

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Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread [the grapes], against all the inhabitants of the earth.​

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A noise shall come [even] to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them [that are] wicked to the sword, saith the LORD.​

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Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, evil shall go forth from nation to nation, and a great whirlwind shall be raised up from the coasts of the earth.​

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And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground."

There is no legitimate American sabbath with the Lord sir! Let it go, its over sir!
If America were so esteemed in the Lord's eyes, she would've been excluded from the phrase ALL NATIONS!

Everyday is the Sabbath Day! Now that Jesus has come for us.

aspen said:

Everyday is the Sabbath Day! Now that Jesus has come for us.

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With all due respect, can you read me this out of the bible?

David Israel said:

With all due respect, can you read me this out of the bible?

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Here it is in the bible.

Deuteronomy 32
9 For the Lord's portion is His people;

And

Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

Galatians 5
16 I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.


For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear: It is a 24/7 Affair.




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aspen said:

Everyday is the Sabbath Day! Now that Jesus has come for us.

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Again, can you read the above caption that you posted in the bible sir?
The scriptures that you posted were unrelated to the sabbath day being everyday, but at least it was a nice try!
And if Jesus has come for us, shouldn't the sun & moon have been darkened as it says in the scriptures?

mcorba said:

...so why do so many worship on Sunday, the first day of the week?

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And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.

And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.

Nobody moved Saturday to Sunday, but many says that holy on Sundays, because the Ten Commandments says to do it etc.

Personally, I do not think the on workers on Saturday falls condemnation, but it should not cheat, with rest on Sundays is the obedience of the Decalogue, because it is not.

If any man would follow the Decalogue, he should rest on Saturday, not Sunday. And this is good, because it's from God.

And such talk, that every day is the Sabbath are empty chatter ...

I am interesting how much time a man dedicates to God every day - 15 minutes, 20 minutes? Fast in the morning prayer, work, evening to home, shower, dinner, pajamas, prayer - something more?

What about Colossians 2:13-17, and Mark 2:27?

David Israel said:

Who said that this was the same event? Are you even reading the notes? I said that these are the same people sir
I also remarked that there are three final battles and proceeded to name two of the three. Ezekiel 38 details the second of the last three battles between man & God.

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Uh... YOU did, in your original post, with...

You said:
"Ezekiel 38 only outlines Gog & Magog(Medes & Persians) descending upon Jerusalem to interrupt the rest(millenium sabbath) of the children of Israel and all the world at that time"


That's an attempt to move the Ezekiel 38 - 39 events to the END of Christ's "thousand years" reign. The Ezek.38-39 events occur PRIOR to Christ's "thousand years" reign of Rev.20.

The confusion many are in between the two separate mentions of Gog and Magog is how that is a label for God's enemies that seek to destroy Israel on the last day of this present world at Armageddon per Ezekiel 38 & 39, Revelation 16 & 19, and also His enemies of the 'nations' that try to do it again at the end of Christ's "thousand years" reign, per Rev.20:7-9. There's a space of a thousand years between the two events.

I do not deny the quotation. I told the Sabbath is good, because from God.
I do not judgment anyone in questions of the day...

I said that this is not true, when someone is resting on Sundays, and says that he is obedience of the Decalogue - I'm wrong?

David Israel said:

And you posted this for what?

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I covered the Joel Scripture to verify per God's Word how it is for the end of this present world up to Christ's second coming, and NOT for at the end of Christ's future Millennium reign like you said.

Let's how we got where we are right now.

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I originally posted Joel 3 to prove that the Lord will gather all nations to Armegeddon at his coming to dole out punishment and take over the world.
This was done in response to a silly claim that the Sunday Law established in the American south represents a placeholder for the Lord's sabbath until his arrival in his kingdom. Not that I needed to do that in the first place, seeing that I quoted Jeremiah 16:19, which is exactly what the Gentiles will say about their Sunday law in retrospect.
This is an easy debate seeing that all of the prophets spoke testifying about the exact same event(gathering all nations to battle.)

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No, you originally posted a lie that America was going to be among the nations that come up against Israel, which I showed per Ezek.38 that America is NOT... even in the list of nations that do that!

And the Blue Laws for a Sunday Sabbath that still exist in some areas of the U.S., and existed to a greater degree in the past for the U.S. did not just occur in the South, but with Northerners also.

Sunday is not the Lord's sabbath day no matter how many unrelated scriptures you try to post on this topic

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Might want to remind your friends who also believe that which have businesses operating on that day!!! Will they shut them down? Doubt it, they didn't during Old Testament times either, which is something else they rebelled against God with! (Amos 8).

Neh 13:15-18
15 In those days saw I in Judah some treading wine presses on the sabbath, and bringing in sheaves, and lading asses; as also wine, grapes, and figs, and all manner of burdens, which they brought into Jerusalem on the sabbath day: and I testified against them in the day wherein they sold victuals.
16 There dwelt men of Tyre also therein, which brought fish, and all manner of ware, and sold on the sabbath unto the children of Judah, and in Jerusalem.
17 Then I contended with the nobles of Judah, and said unto them, What evil thing is this that ye do, and profane the sabbath day?
18 Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city? yet ye bring more wrath upon Israel by profaning the sabbath.
(KJV)


In other words, some who preach following God's Sabbath as Saturday while still operating their businesses are like, "Don't do as I do, do as I say!"

So now a new question in response to your last posting:

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What is Jeremiah speaking of when he prophesied that ALL NATIONS will have to drink of the cup of the fury of the Lord in 25:15....

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If that Jeremiah 25 Scripture is read as written, don't forget to include the areas of Jerusalem, cities of Judah, meaning the geographic nation of Israel in the holy land...

Jer 25:18
18 To wit, Jerusalem, and the cities of Judah, and the kings thereof, and the princes thereof, to make them a desolation, an astonishment, an hissing, and a curse; as it is this day;
(KJV)

Jer 25:29-31
29 For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by My name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
30 Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter His voice from His holy habitation; He shall mightily roar upon His habitation; He shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth.
31 A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, He will plead with all flesh; He will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD.
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Oh, so that's about the "wicked" among ALL... nations, including Israel??? YES!!!

Peter mentioned that event also...


1 Pet 4:17-19
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
(KJV)

That judgment of Jer.25 is to BEGIN at God's House among His Own servants! So what a false fabrication your claim is that that event is ONLY upon Gentiles as nations while excluding Israel.

There is no legitimate American sabbath with the Lord sir! Let it go, its over sir!

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If America were so esteemed in the Lord's eyes, she would've been excluded from the phrase ALL NATIONS!

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Not an American sabbath, but a Christian Sabbath.

YOUR HATRED OF CHRISTIANS AND AMERICANS HAS BEEN WEIGHED AND MEASURED, AND YOU HAVE BEEN FOUND WANTING!

Vashti said:

I am interesting how much time a man dedicates to God every day - 15 minutes, 20 minutes? Fast in the morning prayer, work, evening to home, shower, dinner, pajamas, prayer - something more?

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1. I prayer 25 Psalms a day - all 150 per week
2. Pray liturgy of the hours 4 times a day
3. Contemplative prayer 2x a day
4. Daily Lectio divina

So probably about three hours total prep for spending time with God by loving my neighbors.

ooo, every week you repeat all the Psalms to God? is very interesting, especially for God ...

Besides that you are about 5 or more hours to sit on the internet - you are an interesting person ...

Tell God sometimes something from himself in the place of pat rhymes ...

* Tell God sometimes something from yourself in the place of pat rhymes ...

Vashti said:

ooo, every week you repeat all the Psalms to God? is very interesting, especially for God ...

Besides that you are about 5 or more hours to sit on the internet - you are an interesting person ...

Tell God sometimes something from himself in the place of pat rhymes ...

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Classic vashti......

Asks a question and then mocks the person who answers............
Psalms 1:1-6
Luke 6:37-38
Luke 6:43-45