Ricky, I'm not limiting God: John 3:16 says: " For God SO loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM shall not perish but have eternal life "! This is God's plan, full stop !!!!!!!
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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
Ricky, I'm not limiting God: John 3:16 says: " For God SO loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM shall not perish but have eternal life "! This is God's plan, full stop !!!!!!!
Now tell me, does that verse was telling you that if you want to have eternal life then worshiping Jesus(pbuh) or does that verse also telling that if you want to have eternal life then accepting Jesus that was die on cross ? Then you should stop playing around with, you event not realized with it
.Wallaahu a'lam.
Ricky, I'm not limiting God: John 3:16 says: " For God SO loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM shall not perish but have eternal life "! This is God's plan, full stop !!!!!!!
Now tell me, does that verse was telling you that if you want to have eternal life then worshiping Jesus(pbuh) or does that verse also telling that if you want to have eternal life then accepting Jesus that was die on cross ? Then you should stop playing around with, you event not realized with it
Ricky,what is your scale showing to you at the moment? How are your bad deeds compared to your good deeds? Have you sinned today or ever? Just asking, because you don't seem to need Jesus for your salvation. How do you know, that God has forgiven your sins, for sure? People will never be perfect, only Jesus was.He is sacrifice from God for you as a gift. There is no other way to God because God is so Holy. Even our best deeds wouldn't be good enough for Him. We do them because God first loved us SO much that He sent His Son to die for us. We don't do the good deeds to gain salvation. John 14:6-7 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. ..." The words from Jesus himselfJohn 3:3 "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again". Those are the words from Jesus. John 3:35- 36 "The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in His hands.Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him". From John the Babtist
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirroojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
Ricky,what is your scale showing to you at the moment? How are your bad deeds compared to your good deeds? Have you sinned today or ever?
I have to admit of my self that i've done sin whether I recognize it or it's "not", whether i'm aware or it's not. But Allah is the Most Merciful, His merciful was a more bigger then His Anger.And about how big is it the size of my sin that i've done, just let The God Who Knows All of things be The Judge of All of Things.So you see, event so many times i've done sin, i believe God will give His Mercy and Grace upon me and I will pray to my God so He willing correcting me on so over of the bad things that i've done and be mercy upon me. Now if that so, is it I will be always want doing sin ? As a human being which full of weakness, i'll try my best to do best thing that i can done to follow God Law and Order, and let the God judge me with His Judgment, because I believe He is God of The Most Fair.
Just asking, because you don't seem to need Jesus for your salvation.
Yes i don't need Jesus life to be my salvation, but i need God Grace and His Merciful upon me. As a matter a fact, if I were there as Jesus(pbuh) follower, I'll do my best to protect Jesus(pbuh) from being killed or to other God prophets, event that has to sacrificing of my own life as a cost to take.Matthew 10:10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
How do you know, that God has forgiven your sins, for sure? People will never be perfect, only Jesus was.
I know and I believe that God The Most Merciful will give His mercy upon of His slave who pray and ask for His forgiveness and repentance after it. It's no need sacrificing any thing, just do the best thing that you can do to following what He command, then let God give His Mercy and Grace to whom He will. He is the God, not us.
He is sacrifice from God for you as a gift. There is no other way to God because God is so Holy. Even our best deeds wouldn't be good enough for Him. We do them because God first loved us SO much that He sent His Son to die for us. We don't do the good deeds to gain salvation.
I have said what should i have to say above.Wallaahu a'lam.
Ricky,what is your scale showing to you at the moment? How are your bad deeds compared to your good deeds? Have you sinned today or ever?
I have to admit of my self that i've done sin whether I recognize it or it's "not", whether i'm aware or it's not. But Allah is the Most Merciful, His merciful was a more bigger then His Anger.And about how big is it the size of my sin that i've done, just let The God Who Knows All of things be The Judge of All of Things.So you see, event so many times i've done sin, i believe God will give His Mercy and Grace upon me and I will pray to my God so He willing correcting me on so over of the bad things that i've done and be mercy upon me. Now if that so, is it I will be always want doing sin ? As a human being which full of weakness, i'll try my best to do best thing that i can done to follow God Law and Order, and let the God judge me with His Judgment, because I believe He is God of The Most Fair.
Just asking, because you don't seem to need Jesus for your salvation.
Yes i don't need Jesus life to be my salvation, but i need God Grace and His Merciful upon me. As a matter a fact, if I were there as Jesus(pbuh) follower, I'll do my best to protect Jesus(pbuh) from being killed or to other God prophets, event that has to sacrificing of my own life as a cost to take.Matthew 10:10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 10:38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. 10:41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
How do you know, that God has forgiven your sins, for sure? People will never be perfect, only Jesus was.
I know and I believe that God The Most Merciful will give His mercy upon of His slave who pray and ask for His forgiveness and repentance after it. It's no need sacrificing any thing, just do the best thing that you can do to following what He command, then let God give His Mercy and Grace to whom He will. He is the God, not us.
He is sacrifice from God for you as a gift. There is no other way to God because God is so Holy. Even our best deeds wouldn't be good enough for Him. We do them because God first loved us SO much that He sent His Son to die for us. We don't do the good deeds to gain salvation.
I have said what should i have to say above.Wallaahu a'lam.
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
God is so holy that He does not accept any sin.
He doesn't need anything, because He is Owner of Everything. Because in His Hands all of the matters, only his slave and servants who needs Him, none of God needs of others, but only human and His creature need of Him. Only weak human with has sin that need something on Him. He doesn't need our deeds, but we are the one who needs Him to get His Salvation. God command human to do good deeds, so God can see who was the one among of His slave and servant that obey Him and deserve of His Salvation, and who is the one that feels not need on Him(*atheist for example) and He will give what is deserve to them to be give.Wallaahu a'lam.
God is so holy that He does not accept any sin.
He doesn't need anything, because He is Owner of Everything. Because in His Hands all of the matters, only his slave and servants who needs Him, none of God needs of others, but only human and His creature need of Him. Only weak human with has sin that need something on Him. He doesn't need our deeds, but we are the one who needs Him to get His Salvation. God command human to do good deeds, so God can see who was the one among of His slave and servant that obey Him and deserve of His Salvation, and who is the one that feels not need on Him(*atheist for example) and He will give what is deserve to them to be give.Wallaahu a'lam.
Ricky W;32217]A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimRicky:He doesn't need anything, because He is Owner of Everything. Because in His Hands all of the matters, only his slave and servants who needs Him, none of God needs of others, but only human and His creature need of Him. Thunder1:I agree that God does not need anything from us. And we need Him.Ricky:Only weak human with has sin that need something on Him. He doesn't need our deeds, but we are the one who needs Him to get His Salvation.Thunder:How do you get the salvation?Ricky: God command human to do good deeds, so God can see who was the one among of His slave and servant that obey Him and deserve of His Salvation,Thunder1:I assume your answer is that you DESERVE the salvation by doing good deeds among muslims, because we don't have same God.Ricky: and who is the one that feels not need on Him(*atheist for example) and He will give what is deserve to them to be give.Wallaahu a'lam.
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim
Thunder:How do you get the salvation?
By God Mercy and Grace upon on what we have done to listen and obey of God's commands.
I assume your answer is that you DESERVE the salvation by doing good deeds among muslims, because we don't have same God.
We are not God, then it is in God hands whether I should have salvation or not, i just do it the best thing i can do to follow what He commands, and let the God judge upon me, because He is the Most Knows. But i do pray for my self, I hope God would give me His Mercy and Grace.Wallaahu a'lam.
Thunder:How do you get the salvation?
By God Mercy and Grace upon on what we have done to listen and obey of God's commands.
I assume your answer is that you DESERVE the salvation by doing good deeds among muslims, because we don't have same God.
We are not God, then it is in God hands whether I should have salvation or not, i just do it the best thing i can do to follow what He commands, and let the God judge upon me, because He is the Most Knows. But i do pray for my self, I hope God would give me His Mercy and Grace.Wallaahu a'lam.
Ricky W;A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimRicky:By God Mercy and Grace upon on what we have done to listen and obey of God's commands.Thunder1:Your salvation is based on what you've done. Do you find it easy to do, all those requirements, Do you enjoy to do them? Don't you ever feel it's like a big task to fill all the commandments?Ricky:We are not God, then it is in God hands whether I should have salvation or not, i just do it the best thing i can do...Thunder1:I agree, we are not God.Do you find it hard to please your holy God ?Ricky:... to follow what He commands, and let the God judge upon me, Thunder1:How does your holy God judges you ? What is YOUR salvation based on?Ricky:because He is the Most Knows. Thunder1:I agree that my God knows the best, He is all knowing.Ricky:But i do pray for my self, Thunder1:What do you pray for yourself ? Is it like a repetition 5 times a day ? Is it a same prayer or different prayer every time ? Ricky:I hope God would give me His Mercy and Grace.Wallaahu a'lam.Thunder1:How do you feel, while hoping to have your God's Mercy and Grace? Do you feel confident every time, that you've been obedient and done everything that is required in Islam or do you have moments of uncertainty at times?God Bless,Thunder1
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
Thunder1:Your salvation is based on what you've done. Do you find it easy to do, all those requirements, Do you enjoy to do them? Don't you ever feel it's like a big task to fill all the commandments?
My Salvation is based on God Mercy and His Grace.Quran (2:286) On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray
"Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith." Quran(65:7) Let the man of means spend according to his means: and the man whose resources are restricted, let him spend according to what Allah has given him. Allah puts no burden on any person beyond what He has given him. After a difficulty, Allah will soon grant relief. ("Thunder1")
I agree, we are not God.Do you find it hard to please your holy God ?
It's easily if we have full faith on Him.As the verse above has said, He will relief everything that we think it's hard, but the key is in patience.
Thunder1:How does your holy God judges you ? What is YOUR salvation based on?
Only He knows how he will judge me and give salvation, i'm not God, so i will do my best that i can do to please Him. My salvation according to what I understand is base on How strong of my faith unto Him and His Messenger. So it's back again to God Mercy and Grace regarding on my salvation.
Thunder1:What do you pray for yourself ? Is it like a repetition 5 times a day ? Is it a same prayer or different prayer every time ?
Pray in Islam is much way to be done. The most famous among human was called with Sholat(prayer), Prayer 5 times is an obligation as a moslem. Does this prayer can make God please ? It's depend on how our heart in doing it. If we doing this not because want to listen and obey God, then the value could meaning nothing, but if not be done, then it's sin. What is the wisdom of doing this.For example :1. It's keeping us to remember God in all day of our activity, by psychology this would make someone will avoid bad deeds if we do it correctly.2. It keeps us more healthy, because the move of Sholat(prayer) was has physical benefits on it(*like yoga).And still much more, but i think this is the right place to talking about it.Does because of those benefit Islam(*I) do it Sholat(prayer) ? No, is the answer. But listening and obey God words, is the basic of doing it, those above was only wisdom and not became a reason of doing Sholat(prayer).(Thunder1)
How do you feel, while hoping to have your God's Mercy and Grace? Do you feel confident every time, that you've been obedient and done everything that is required in Islam or do you have moments of uncertainty at times?God Bless,Thunder1
To be honest i'm feeling a shame to God every time i'm asking Him, because i felt that nothing much i can do for Him event He has done so much for my life
, but I'm confidence he will listening to my pray
because His Mercy and Grace is bigger then His Anger).Wallaahu a'lam.
Thunder1:Your salvation is based on what you've done. Do you find it easy to do, all those requirements, Do you enjoy to do them? Don't you ever feel it's like a big task to fill all the commandments?
My Salvation is based on God Mercy and His Grace.Quran (2:286) On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray
"Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith." Quran(65:7) Let the man of means spend according to his means: and the man whose resources are restricted, let him spend according to what Allah has given him. Allah puts no burden on any person beyond what He has given him. After a difficulty, Allah will soon grant relief. ("Thunder1")I agree, we are not God.Do you find it hard to please your holy God ?
It's easily if we have full faith on Him.As the verse above has said, He will relief everything that we think it's hard, but the key is in patience.
Thunder1:How does your holy God judges you ? What is YOUR salvation based on?
Only He knows how he will judge me and give salvation, i'm not God, so i will do my best that i can do to please Him. My salvation according to what I understand is base on How strong of my faith unto Him and His Messenger. So it's back again to God Mercy and Grace regarding on my salvation.
Thunder1:What do you pray for yourself ? Is it like a repetition 5 times a day ? Is it a same prayer or different prayer every time ?
Pray in Islam is much way to be done. The most famous among human was called with Sholat(prayer), Prayer 5 times is an obligation as a moslem. Does this prayer can make God please ? It's depend on how our heart in doing it. If we doing this not because want to listen and obey God, then the value could meaning nothing, but if not be done, then it's sin. What is the wisdom of doing this.For example :1. It's keeping us to remember God in all day of our activity, by psychology this would make someone will avoid bad deeds if we do it correctly.2. It keeps us more healthy, because the move of Sholat(prayer) was has physical benefits on it(*like yoga).And still much more, but i think this is the right place to talking about it.Does because of those benefit Islam(*I) do it Sholat(prayer) ? No, is the answer. But listening and obey God words, is the basic of doing it, those above was only wisdom and not became a reason of doing Sholat(prayer).(Thunder1)
How do you feel, while hoping to have your God's Mercy and Grace? Do you feel confident every time, that you've been obedient and done everything that is required in Islam or do you have moments of uncertainty at times?God Bless,Thunder1
To be honest i'm feeling a shame to God every time i'm asking Him, because i felt that nothing much i can do for Him event He has done so much for my life
Ricky W;A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimRicky:... i will do my best that i can do to please Him. Messenger. ... So it's back again to God Mercy and Grace regarding on my salvation.Thunder1:You say, you will DO your best... to please Him. I see it's contradicting to God's mercy and grace REGARDING SALVATION, Are you saved by 'doings' or God's grace ? This is question to muslims.You know that Christians are saved by God's grace.Ricky:To be honest i'm feeling a shame to God every time i'm asking Him, because i felt that nothing much i can do for Him event He has done so much for my life
, but I'm confidence he will listening to my pray
because His Mercy and Grace is bigger then His Anger).Wallaahu a'lam.Thunder1:As a Christian I only feel ashamed in front of God ,if I know that I've done something that is not God's will. But I've always have forgiveness through Jesus, the Son of God. I don't need to feel ashamed to come to God to ask forgiveness. I don't purposely want to live in sin. But we are just humans and we do sin.Otherwise I feel so thankful and happy. And I know that I'm saved from hell, not because what I did, but what God did for me, sacrificing His Son for my salvation. And that's why I don't purposely want to sin anymore.Thank you for your answers !God Bless!Thunder1
Ricky WA'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimRicky: ... because His Mercy and Grace is bigger then His Anger.Wallaahu a'lamThunder1: One question; How do you know God's Mercy and Grace are bigger than His anger ?
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Ricky WA'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimRicky: ... because His Mercy and Grace is bigger then His Anger.Wallaahu a'lamThunder1: One question; How do you know God's Mercy and Grace are bigger than His anger ?
He still give us life to breath, and by giving it life give us change to repentence(*sorry i don't how to write it) event we are doing sin much.He give us heart and brain, he gave us much2... of thing to us, event He know human has a lot of sin.Wallaahu a'lam.
Ricky WA'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimRicky: ... because His Mercy and Grace is bigger then His Anger.Wallaahu a'lamThunder1: One question; How do you know God's Mercy and Grace are bigger than His anger ?
He still give us life to breath, and by giving it life give us change to repentence(*sorry i don't how to write it) event we are doing sin much.He give us heart and brain, he gave us much2... of thing to us, event He know human has a lot of sin.Wallaahu a'lam.
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Ricky, did you read my previous post !Regards,Thunder1
Yes, moment. I just finish do something.
Ricky, did you read my previous post !Regards,Thunder1
Yes, moment. I just finish do something.
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
You say, you will DO your best... to please Him. I see it's contradicting to God's mercy and grace REGARDING SALVATION, Are you saved by 'doings' or God's grace ? This is question to muslims.You know that Christians are saved by God's grace.
In His side, By God Grace and His Mercy. But as human, of course we should do our best as His slave and servant to do what He has commanded in His Law and Order. Does our good deeds that cause we enter the paradise, no. Why ? Because that was not worthed at all, event to pay or make equal what He has given to us was not good enough if comparing with our good deeds. Then how come someone can enter the paradise ? The decision was on God Mercy and Grace. In His Hands all of thing returned.So how to get God Grace and Mercy, do as best as we can to please Him, event actually whatever that we did were never be able to make equal on what He has gave.("Thunder1")
As a Christian I only feel ashamed in front of God ,if I know that I've done something that is not God's will. But I've always have forgiveness through Jesus, the Son of God. I don't need to feel ashamed to come to God to ask forgiveness.
That is what i want to say also, but in Islam is no need for Jesus(pbuh) or anyone to die to get His Forgiveness. Just repentance from our sins, and not do it over and over again if we are really in deep repentance. But in the end it is not in our hand that we should have His Mercy or not, because He The Most Knows of what is in our heart, He is the The Most Fairly Judge, so are really in repentance or not, God Knows, He is the One who will taking account of what we did.("Thunder1")
I don't purposely want to live in sin. But we are just humans and we do sin.Otherwise I feel so thankful and happy. And I know that I'm saved from hell, not because what I did, but what God did for me, sacrificing His Son for my salvation. And that's why I don't purposely want to sin anymore.
But you should keep in mind, that even thought some one has admitted that Jesus is God and event did any good works in the name of Jesus(pbuh) still can enter the hell. So why that could be happen ? That means, there is something that cause someone enter the hell event they already considered, admitted that Jesus(pbuh) as a God as his salvation.
Thank you for your answers !God Bless!Thunder1
You are very welcome, only God Knows Best.Regards, Ricky WWallaahu a'lam.
You say, you will DO your best... to please Him. I see it's contradicting to God's mercy and grace REGARDING SALVATION, Are you saved by 'doings' or God's grace ? This is question to muslims.You know that Christians are saved by God's grace.
In His side, By God Grace and His Mercy. But as human, of course we should do our best as His slave and servant to do what He has commanded in His Law and Order. Does our good deeds that cause we enter the paradise, no. Why ? Because that was not worthed at all, event to pay or make equal what He has given to us was not good enough if comparing with our good deeds. Then how come someone can enter the paradise ? The decision was on God Mercy and Grace. In His Hands all of thing returned.So how to get God Grace and Mercy, do as best as we can to please Him, event actually whatever that we did were never be able to make equal on what He has gave.("Thunder1")
As a Christian I only feel ashamed in front of God ,if I know that I've done something that is not God's will. But I've always have forgiveness through Jesus, the Son of God. I don't need to feel ashamed to come to God to ask forgiveness.
That is what i want to say also, but in Islam is no need for Jesus(pbuh) or anyone to die to get His Forgiveness. Just repentance from our sins, and not do it over and over again if we are really in deep repentance. But in the end it is not in our hand that we should have His Mercy or not, because He The Most Knows of what is in our heart, He is the The Most Fairly Judge, so are really in repentance or not, God Knows, He is the One who will taking account of what we did.("Thunder1")
I don't purposely want to live in sin. But we are just humans and we do sin.Otherwise I feel so thankful and happy. And I know that I'm saved from hell, not because what I did, but what God did for me, sacrificing His Son for my salvation. And that's why I don't purposely want to sin anymore.
But you should keep in mind, that even thought some one has admitted that Jesus is God and event did any good works in the name of Jesus(pbuh) still can enter the hell. So why that could be happen ? That means, there is something that cause someone enter the hell event they already considered, admitted that Jesus(pbuh) as a God as his salvation.
Thank you for your answers !God Bless!Thunder1
You are very welcome, only God Knows Best.Regards, Ricky WWallaahu a'lam.
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