What benefit does it produce to make Jesus God

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RLT63

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What is hard to understand is any claim of a death meaning anything other than totally dead in every way. Death is the antonym of life. Yet, to say physical death implies a contradiction, non-death in some manner, shape or form - other than figurative.
Jesus is truly God and truly man. His physical body did die; His heart stopped beating, and “he gave up his spirit” (Matthew 27:50). Just as our physical bodies will someday die, so did His. But as Jesus died physically, He remained alive spiritually. Jesus made good on His promise to the believing thief on the cross—He and the thief both went to paradise, not physically, but in spirit (Luke 23:43). Romans 8:11
 
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Charlie24

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We measure time from that point. This is the year 2022 from when Christ comes into the picture. Because it is common knowledge, I’m not sure what your question is.

I can understand that you don't understand the question. This is a subject on this thread that is very difficult to relay to another your thoughts and understanding, for both sides.

My question, if I can relay it, "when did Christ/the Word, come into existence according to your understanding?

At what point in time did that happen? I'm stating Christ and the Word as one in the same, but you can change that to answer the question if needed.
 

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You say you're answering the question but I don't see how Philippians 2:6-8 tells us why Jesus had to be God.
Ah,I see your problem now. We should have ascertained this before undertaking any thread you enter.

First you must familiarize yourself with the gospel. This is a good site for that.
What is the Gospel? | Bible.org
This way you'll understand the meaning of the cross in the passage above. Next, click the link to that scripture I've shared here: Bible Gateway passage: Philippians 2 - English Standard Version

Hope that helps.
 

Blue Dragonfly's

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This sounds as contrary as saying that God raised Jesus from the dead.....did he raise himself from the dead...if he did then was he ever really dead? Can one part of God be dead on earth whilst the other equal parts of him are alive somewhere else?
Can God pray to himself? Can God be called his own servant?

Did God put himself in Mary's womb? If the holy spirit did where was God? Its totally illogical and contrary to so much that is written in God's word.
Why does Jesus need to be God? The scriptures give us no need because as the "last Adam" all Jesus needed to be was sinless. ....the equivalent of the first Adam who is also said to be a "son of God". (Luke 3:38) That is what redemption is....a set payment to free a captive from slavery. We are the captives, Jesus is the redeemer and Adam was the one who condemned us to the slavery of sin and death. Jesus paid the set price.....God didn't have it because he is immortal and cannot die.....it seems so easy to understand and yet still we argue here.


Again, where does it say he was God? The "son" "came from the Father" as all sons do.
Peter, James and John had seen his glory in the transfiguration, but none of them assumed that he was God, because he never said he was. It was the Word who became flesh not God.
The Word was "with God" remember?

The collective of the apostles believed that Jesus was their "Lord" but not their God....that designation was only for the Father.
"For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, 6 yet for us there is only one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. (2 Corinthians 8:5-6)

Could there be a plainer statement?
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You have to know that that is a terrible translation because the word "son" (yhios) is not there in verse 18. This is trinitarian bias in translating.....and it is disgraceful IMO.
What does the first part of verse 18 say? "No one has ever seen God".....so how many people saw Jesus?

In Greek the words used for Jesus are "monogenes theos" which means "only begotten god".....can Jesus be a "a god" and not "the God" according to Greek understanding of that word? Yes he can, because it is not a word used exclusively for Yahweh....it means "any god or goddess, deity or divinity"
Jesus can be divine without being deity. Why is that not apparent?

Satan is called "theos" in 2 Corinthians 4:3-4....is satan Yahweh?
No , Satan isn't referred to as theos in that passage.
Theos Meaning in Bible - New Testament Greek Lexicon - New American Standard
I wonder how many accounts peterIag has? The mistake puppets make is sounding the same as one another.

And we've paid a troll banned from Worthy Christian forums for trolling over 80 pages of attention while they're tolerated in trolling here. And enabled in that mental illness,all accounts, anyone checked the IP's?, by us.


It's like the tranny situation really. Mental illness should not be ignored and tolerated and fed attention. It should be treated, not encouraged.
It should be banned in the case of trolling Peter.
 
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I just looked at Romans 6:23 and it does not say Jesus had to be God for some reason. And John 1:29 does not say it either. I'm going to assume you either cannot answer or you do not understand the question.

We do not find All the theology of God in one verse.
If you had read some of the later verses I quoted you would see that they declare that Jesus is Gods Son.
 

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No , Satan isn't referred to as theos in that passage.
Theos Meaning in Bible - New Testament Greek Lexicon - New American Standard
I wonder how many accounts peterIag has? The mistake puppets make is sounding the same as one another.

And we've paid a troll banned from Worthy Christian forums for trolling over 80 pages of attention while they're tolerated in trolling here. And enabled in that mental illness,all accounts, anyone checked the IP's?, by us.


It's like the tranny situation really. Mental illness should not be ignored and tolerated and fed attention. It should be treated, not encouraged.
It should be banned in the case of trolling Peter.
So you also have been to Worthy Christian forums? :)
 

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We do not find All the theology of God in one verse.
If you had read some of the later verses I quoted you would see that they declare that Jesus is Gods Son.

See that's not the question: I know Jesus is God's son and the Bible says that. I'm asking why should Jesus be God. What benefit is there to have Jesus be God.
 

Peterlag

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Ah,I see your problem now. We should have ascertained this before undertaking any thread you enter.

First you must familiarize yourself with the gospel. This is a good site for that.
What is the Gospel? | Bible.org
This way you'll understand the meaning of the cross in the passage above. Next, click the link to that scripture I've shared here: Bible Gateway passage: Philippians 2 - English Standard Version

Hope that helps.

Let's look at this Philippians 2:6-8 because you brought it up...

Trinitarians assert that the "form" which is the Greek word "morphe" refers to Christ's inner nature as God. This is so strongly asserted that the NIV has "... being in very nature God..." I do not believe that "morphe" refers to an inner essential nature. In Bullinger's Critical Lexicon "morphe" is given a one word definition "form." The scholarly lexicon by Walter Bauer translated and revised by Arndt and Gingrich has under "morphe" "form, outward appearance, shape." The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament edited by Gerhard Kittel has "form, external appearance." Robert Thayer in his well-respected lexicon has under "morphe" "the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision; the external appearance." Thayer says that the Greeks said that children reflect the appearance "morphe" of their parents, something easily noticed in every culture.
 
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