Saturday is Sabbath day...

Care to tell us about the identity of Israel in all, dear mark s.

as a Messianic Jew... Shabbat is Saturday

differentDemocrat said:

as a Messianic Jew... Shabbat is Saturday

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Interesting, as a Messianic Jew, how do you observe the Sabbath?

MR ROSENBERGER said:

Care to tell us about the identity of Israel in all, dear mark s.

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Hi MR ROSENBERGER,

Actually, I'm not really interested in starting that debate at the moment, and not in the middle of a thread on another topic. I merely wished to call attention to a couple of things.

Firstly, that James has no knowledge of how much, and to what detail, I have studied the identity of Israel in Scripture, though he spoke as if I was a novice to the topic.

Secondly, that while he makes claims to special revelation, that does not mean I will simply accept his words over Scripture.

Thirdly, that his claims to special revelation do not equal a valid argument in debate.

The general tone was that of the Initiate speaking to the Novice, and I do not consider that to be a valid argument. So I wrote to reveal this.

And . . . it is not lost upon my that neither he nor you have been so bold as to take this opportunity to reveal your views on the identity of Israel. Again, not that I am inviting this. I have no intent to hijack this thread.

Love in Christ,
Mark

Hello Mark, thanks for responding.

Hope you don’t mind that I’ve taken more than a few liberties in snipping IMO thoroughly whipped dead horse arguments in this reply. Since I’m the sole commentator of the minority opinion, of necessity, I have to condense things a bit, as well as attempt to interject a little new blood in our exchanges for the reader’s benefit.

mark s said:

So then as you state we should follow Jesus' example, Jesus did not, we think, make the exception you state is OK as part of keeping the Sabbath. If God changes His Laws, that's one thing. But when you change His Laws, it means you are no longer following His Law, you follow your own.

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I’ve already mentioned several valid scriptural exceptions to the ‘hard fast rule’. I don’t know what more I can do to convince you. We NT ‘in Christ’ believers have been granted the liberty to ‘walk in the Spirit’ and rely upon the Holy Spirit to guide our way.

mark s said:

I'm saying that there is more to the Law then the 10 commandments. Scripture doesn't sever the 10 commandments from the rest of the Law. The entire Law was the covenant between God and Israel. If they kept the 10 commandments, and did not keep the other parts of the Law, then they have broken the covenant, and were lawbreakers.

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That was then, this is now! Simply follow Christ’s example to the best of your ability. That’s all I’m trying to convey.

mark s said:

As for "trying a day of rest", you can trust me on this . . . I take days of rest from time to time. I make my wife join me, though she's a willing participant. We take a day, and we rest. No problem! But it's not some sort of "keeping the Sabbath".

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Yes, we all need rest. That’s the primary reason God instituted the Sabbath but there’s also other facets which I innumerated in a recent post in this thread.

mark s said:

You were talking about following Jesus' example. That was Jesus example. To keep the whole Law - not just the 10 commandments - to attain human righteousness under the Law. If you want to follow Jesus' example, that's what it was.

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Sorry, but I just don’t buy your (or Paul’s) ‘all or nothing’ answer regarding the Law. Jesus did a number of things that weren’t exactly ‘kosher’. Why should I be held to a higher standard than my Lord?

mark s said:

So your presupposition that we are all "Law-Keepers" anyway is false, fails to correctly present the life of the New Covenant child of God.
Yes - the Law still exists, and the wicked will be judged by it.

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Contrary to what you’ve been led to believe, it’s not just the wicked. Kindly, mention one of the other Ten Commandments that “present New Covenant children of God” are free to dismiss?

mark s said:

James F. previously stated:
"Whether spiritual or genetic in origin, Israel’s true identity is a very profound revelation and I don’t expect anyone to grasp it on the first hearing. There are other threads that delve into this teaching. Seek and ye shall find. . ."

Yes, the hidden mysteries! Too deep for someone like me, who's only given the Bible a quick glance, eh?

How many years have I studied these things, my friend? How many years have I been a Christian? How many hours and days and months have I spent searching the Scriptures, studying the culture, the language, the various interpretations? Do you know?

A very profound revelation . . . the identity of Israel? A mystery black box that says your (sic) are right and I am wrong because you've received such profound revelation? If I understood this, I'd swing right around to your point of view. Hmmmm.

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I wasn’t trying to be pedantic, condescending or overly-mystical. However, once a Christian recognizes that they are more than just “Gentiles” and begin to experience the full realization of their unique relation to the ancient Israelites, as well as, their special covenant relationship with God, many OT veils, especially many previous perceptions re God’s Law, begin to be removed from their spiritual eyes.

I didn’t mean to imply that you were a complete novice on the subject of Israel’s true identity. Not to derail this thread but what are your ‘basic conclusions’ regarding British-Israelism? Any posts of yours in another thread you'd like me to read?

mark s said:

Who did Jesus teach that you would know by their fruits? Let's look:

Matthew 7:15-20 NKJV
(15) "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
(16) You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles?
(17) Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
(18) A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit.
(19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
(20) Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

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Fruit can either be bad or good, unripe or ripe, barren or fruitful and Jesus had much to say about both conditions, positive and negative.

mark s said:

PS . . . Actually, after this part of your post, you pretty much wrap it up with your thoughts on Paul's writings.

I accept Paul's letters as inspired Scritpure (sic) - the Word of God. Do you?

Answer this question with a simply Yes or No, please, and we can procede (sic).

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I’ll answer the question, as I please, sir! Not all questions warrant a simple Y/N response.
Paul was the “Apostle of the Gentiles”. I consider myself as an Israelite Christian, therefore, though Paul’s epistles are undoubtedly inspired every single sentence he wrote does not ‘necessarily’ pertain to my walk ‘in Christ’.

I also suspect that your Church occasionally permits women to speak in church (1Cor. 14:34) (1Tim. 2:11-12) and probably permits women to pray with their heads unshaven or uncovered (1Cor. 11:5-6) (1Cor. 11:10) even though Paul specifically addressed these practices in his “inspired” writings? You often remark about how Sabbath-keepers like myself ‘pick and choose’ which OT laws they obey. Curiously, you seem rather blind to your own NT choices in that regard. Hmmmm?

Are there any NT laws besides "all you need is love" that pertain to you?

REWARDS OF THE SABBATH Psa_19:11

A. Sanctification of God's people. "Sanctification is that process whereby the redeemed are increasingly set apart for the purposes, use, and glory of God." --Hoekstra
Eze_20:12 Eze_20:20 Exo_31:12-13 Deu_5:12 Neh_13:22 Gen_2:1-3 Deu_26:15-19 1Ki_8:56 Isa_11:10

B. The LORD delights in our obedience to His Word 1Sa_15:22

C. The LORD promises that we will be blessed and "ride upon the high places of the earth" , "feed with the heritage of Jacob" and enter the promised land with God's faithful people Isa_58:13-14
Deu_27:1-3 Deu_28:1-14 Isa_56:2 Even the strangers and servants will partake in the blessings Isa_56:6

D. "A good understanding" is promised to those who do His commandments Psa_111:10
This "understanding" entails much blessing:

H7922 UNDERSTANDING
שׂכל שׂכל
s´ekel s´e^kel
seh'-kel, say'-kel
From H7919; intelligence; by implication success: - discretion, knowledge, policy, prudence, sense, understanding, wisdom, wise.

E. And the "keeping of one's soul" Pro_19:16

Psa 19:7-9 - "The law is described by six names, epithets, and effects. It is a rule, God's testimony for the truth, His special and general prescription of duty, fear (as its cause) and judicial decision. It is distinct and certain, reliable, right, pure, holy, and true. Hence it revives those depressed by doubts, makes wise the unskilled (2Ti_3:15), rejoices the lover of truth, strengthens the desponding (Psa_13:4; Psa_34:6), provides permanent principles of conduct, and by God's grace brings a rich reward." -- J.F.B. Commentary

Genesis 26:4-5

4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." 430 years before the Law of Moses.


And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:29


We have been made partakers of The Covenant The Lord made with Abraham, in Christ!

The New Covenant in His Blood does not mean a different Covenant, for it was Christ who made Covenant with Abraham!


Thanks, JLB

JLB said:

Genesis 26:4-5

4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." 430 years before the Law of Moses.


And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:29


We have been made partakers of The Covenant The Lord made with Abraham, in Christ!

The New Covenant in His Blood does not mean a different Covenant, for it was Christ who made Covenant with Abraham!


Thanks, JLB

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This is partially true. There are several covenants mentioned in scripture. God also made a covenant with mankind as explained to Noah in Gen.9, that He would never again flood the earth in judgment. The sign of that covenant was the rainbow. The covenant made to Abraham was a promise concerning his seed. It was made to him and his seed, which is Christ (Gal.3:16). We are partakers of Christ through faith and therefore, we are the fulfillment of that covenant, through faith.
There was also a covenant mentioned that came down from Mount Sinai. Paul spoke of it in Gal.4:24. A covenant is an agreement. What the people agreed to in that covenant was to keep the law. We are not part of that particualr agreement. We are heirs with Christ, not by the keeping of the law, but by faith.

The thing that helps define something as law, is the enforcement. Take away the police in our society and then see just how effective the laws become. In the case of God's moral law, the enforcement was executed upon the Son of God. The wages of sin is death. This is why it can be said that we are not under law. We are not under its penalty.

The ultimate goal here is righteousness. No one will be allowed in God's kingdom without it. However, it cannot be gained through the keeping of law. This has been proven by example. Righteousness therefore, can only come as a gift. So, neither the punishment nor the reward of keeping the law are in effect in our covenant with God.

The covenant has been altered to be governed by grace through faith, as opposed to works through law. If you will notice, Paul in his letters frequently compares faith with works, and grace with law. The agreement has been changed. The promises are still the same, but the fulfillment of them come to us the way God always intended; As a free gift, and accepted as such.

God's laws have been placed in our hearts. Our moral behavior comes by way of the fact that we are partakers of the Divine nature (2Pet.1:4). There are those who will argue and even try to prove, that some are not living up to the intended life of a believer. They will do this by comparing the person with the law. This method is effective, but has a catch. If we enter this arena of evidence, we all fall short and are found equally guilty of the law. James said if a person fails on any one point of the law, he is guilty of all. No one is perfect in this life.

No one disagrees that we ought to walk as Jesus walked. However, it all depends on the motive we are given to do His word. Consequences are sometimes hinted. This is where I would object. The promise has already been given to us. It is too late to use the threat of guilt or consequence to motivate us to action. That has no place in this covenant. Just saying........ Howie

Why do you Christians always try to defend first day worship? As it has never been part of scripture. God is not silent about coming differences that are coming in His laws; in fact please find the one scripture that specifically states plainly that there has been a change in the laws of God, where He made first day worship for Gentiles. There is no difference between the laws for Gentiles or Jews. The Book states clearly that Salvation is of the Jews and the vine is Christ and He prunes off dead branches and grafts in wild branches. If you deny this then you are calling Christ a liar, as He said it. Paul taught in the synagogue for three Sabbaths; To Gentiles of all people, so why did he do that if the first day is the day of worship for Gentiles? Please explain all of this!
If you are so positive that you have it all worked out, then you need to get in touch with Three Angels Broadcasting and try to claim the $1,000,000.00 prize for proof that first day worship is provable. The only proof for first day worship is in Catholic literature and the leaders of old knew the truth and did not teach it in their Churches, even if the stated in their works. So why did they not teach it to the flock? They did not want to be associated with the Jews.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High
PS, posting on religious web sites in the Sabbath is not breaking the laws of God as it is doing the same things that Christ did, teaching!

Sabitarian said:

Why do you Christians always try to defend first day worship? As it has never been part of scripture. God is not silent about coming differences that are coming in His laws; in fact please find the one scripture that specifically states plainly that there has been a change in the laws of God, where He made first day worship for Gentiles. There is no difference between the laws for Gentiles or Jews. The Book states clearly that Salvation is of the Jews and the vine is Christ and He prunes off dead branches and grafts in wild branches. If you deny this then you are calling Christ a liar, as He said it. Paul taught in the synagogue for three Sabbaths; To Gentiles of all people, so why did he do that if the first day is the day of worship for Gentiles? Please explain all of this!
If you are so positive that you have it all worked out, then you need to get in touch with Three Angels Broadcasting and try to claim the $1,000,000.00 prize for proof that first day worship is provable. The only proof for first day worship is in Catholic literature and the leaders of old knew the truth and did not teach it in their Churches, even if the stated in their works. So why did they not teach it to the flock? They did not want to be associated with the Jews.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High
PS, posting on religious web sites in the Sabbath is not breaking the laws of God as it is doing the same things that Christ did, teaching!

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Since we are into challenging our fellow worshippers of God, then how about showing us the part of the commandments or the law that prohibits the worship of God on a Sunday, or for that matter any other day?

As far as I can tell, the fourth commandment had/has nothing to do with worshipping God on a certain day. It only goes so far as to say that the Sabbath is a day of rest from one's work. And for that matter, those who broke the Sabbath rest by working, were to be killed. Don't see that happening today...at least not in a literal sense.

Thanks to JLB and Sabitarian for their insightful contributions to this thread. I appreciate your support and love of God's Law and Keeping the Sabbath holy.

JLB said:

Genesis 26:4-5

4 And I will make your descendants multiply as the stars of heaven; I will give to your descendants all these lands; and in your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed; 5 because Abraham obeyed My voice and kept My charge, My commandments, My statutes, and My laws." 430 years before the Law of Moses.

And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:29

We have been made partakers of The Covenant The Lord made with Abraham, in Christ!

The New Covenant in His Blood does not mean a different Covenant, for it was Christ who made Covenant with Abraham!

Thanks, JLB

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Much of the confusion results from misunderstanding the Apostle Paul's sermons to pagan Gentile audiences who were largely ignorant of the Word of God and infants in the Lord. All faithful Christians are called to follow David's and Christ's example in reverencing God's immutable, eternal Law.

Psa 1:2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

Sabitarian said:

Why do you Christians always try to defend first day worship? As it has never been part of scripture.

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Your right, of course. Moving the sabbath to the first day is willful submission Roman Catholic doctrine. And many RCC clergy mock Protestants who claim to be 'people of the Book', knowing full well that the Bible is silent on this issue.

Sabitarian said:

God is not silent about coming differences that are coming in His laws; in fact please find the one scripture that specifically states plainly that there has been a change in the laws of God, where He made first day worship for Gentiles. There is no difference between the laws for Gentiles or Jews. The Book states clearly that Salvation is of the Jews and the vine is Christ and He prunes off dead branches and grafts in wild branches. If you deny this then you are calling Christ a liar, as He said it. Paul taught in the synagogue for three Sabbaths; To Gentiles of all people, so why did he do that if the first day is the day of worship for Gentiles? Please explain all of this!

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Many First Century believers honored the traditional Sabbath rest period (sundown Fri. to sundown Sat.) as well as, assembled on the First Day of the Week to worship the Lord. There is certainly nothing wrong with worshiping the Lord upon any day, just don't call it "the Sabbath" because it's not!

Sabitarian said:

If you are so positive that you have it all worked out, then you need to get in touch with Three Angels Broadcasting and try to claim the $1,000,000.00 prize for proof that first day worship is provable. The only proof for first day worship is in Catholic literature and the leaders of old knew the truth and did not teach it in their Churches, even if the stated in their works. So why did they not teach it to the flock? They did not want to be associated with the Jews.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

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The Jews certainly did besmirch and give the Sabbath a bad name with all their sundry additions in their Talmudic Oral Law. IMO, Christians are supposed to demonstrate by their sanctified observance of the purity of God's Laws to the Jews so that a remnant of them might be saved. Instead, most of modern Christianity has chosen to summarily ignore or dismiss the entirety of God's Law (throwing the baby out with the bath water). There are certainly many of God's Laws that are beneficial IMO for ALL believers, e.g., The Ten Commandments, Clean food laws and even circumcision which along with the Sabbath were for thousands of years the two most significant signs of the Covenant People of God.

Sabitarian said:

PS, posting on religious web sites in the Sabbath is not breaking the laws of God as it is doing the same things that Christ did, teaching!

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Amen brother! Continue teaching and instructing God's flock on the goodness of God's Law and promises to His faithful servants/sons.

williemac,
There is no scripture saying you should not worship God On any such day, but It does say that the Sabbath must be kept if you are following Him. It is a day set aside to commune with the Lord plus it is the only day scanctified by God and made holy for His purpose. No other day has that distinction and the first day worship will be the mark when the tribulation begins shortly and after the start of the tribulation you will have no choice as to which day you worship. Those worshiping on the first day will face the wrath of God, while we will only have to contend with the tribulation and His promise is to us He will never give us more than we can bear. Amen. This is a warning to all here, you are not fighting against me, but against God, as I am only the messenger and not the message, which comes from Him.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

Sabitarian said:

williemac,
There is no scripture saying you should not worship God On any such day, but It does say that the Sabbath must be kept if you are following Him. It is a day set aside to commune with the Lord plus it is the only day scanctified by God and made holy for His purpose. No other day has that distinction and the first day worship will be the mark when the tribulation begins shortly and after the start of the tribulation you will have no choice as to which day you worship. Those worshiping on the first day will face the wrath of God, while we will only have to contend with the tribulation and His promise is to us He will never give us more than we can bear. Amen. This is a warning to all here, you are not fighting against me, but against God, as I am only the messenger and not the message, which comes from Him.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

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Romans 14:1-6

1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.


Based on what The Holy Spirit through the apostle Paul teaches here, it is the person who is weak in faith, that needs to "feel" spiritual by eating a special "spiritual" diet that makes feel like they have more faith.

Likewise, Paul points out, it is the same with people who need to esteem one day more special or more spiritual than the other.

If you need to observe the "Sabbath" as unto The Lord, then by all means feel free.

For it is written - So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.


Let each one be fully convince in his own mind!


Thanks, JLB

JLB,
You really take liberties with scriture as taking it out of context is your strong point. I guess that you believe that Acts 10 is about food and the food laws.
In the scriptures that you post it is speaking about meat sacrificed to pagan gods and fasting and has nothing to do with your point of view. You really need to understand the Jewish mind set here, as they had many oral traditions that they were trying to force on the gentile converts. The Jews had so many traditions that were to help keep the ten commadments, that these traditions actually broke the ten commandments that they were to support. I heard that the number was 602 by one source and other numbers by others. The key to understanding scripture is context, context, context. Taken out of context any scripture does not follow the whole Book, yet taken in context all is reconciled.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

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JLB,
You really take liberties with scriture as taking it out of context is your strong point. I guess that you believe that Acts 10 is about food and the food laws.
In the scriptures that you post it is speaking about meat sacrificed to pagan gods and fasting and has nothing to do with your point of view. You really need to understand the Jewish mind set here, as they had many oral traditions that they were trying to force on the gentile converts. The Jews had so many traditions that were to help keep the ten commadments, that these traditions actually broke the ten commandments that they were to support. I heard that the number was 602 by one source and other numbers by others. The key to understanding scripture is context, context, context. Taken out of context any scripture does not follow the whole Book, yet taken in context all is reconciled.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

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Nothing is taken out of context, one only has to read the scriptures. If you feel you need to have a special diet, for your faith to be stronger or if you feel you need to observe one day as more special than another, then you need to be convinced IN YOUR OWN MIND.



Romans 14:1-6

1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.



What does what you said have to do with this scripture. I have noticed you don't use scripture in your writings, rather you just spout your opinion.

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

The regulations of old saying, don't touch this or don't eat that are of no use to those in Christ!

Try stating a scripture that fortifies your belief. Just a thought.


Thanks, JLB

JLB said:

Nothing is taken out of context, one only has to read the scriptures. If you feel you need to have a special diet, for your faith to be stronger or if you feel you need to observe one day as more special than another, then you need to be convinced IN YOUR OWN MIND.

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And the mind is subject to change, is it not?

JLB said:

Romans 14:1-6

1 Receive one who is weak in the faith, but not to disputes over doubtful things. 2 For one believes he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats only vegetables. 3 Let not him who eats despise him who does not eat, and let not him who does not eat judge him who eats; for God has received him. 4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. 5 One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks.

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“That the Sabbath is of lasting obligation may be reasonably concluded from its institution (see the note on Gen_2:3) and from its typical reference. All allow that the Sabbath is a type of that rest in glory which remains for the people of God. Now, all types are intended to continue in full force till the antitype, or thing signified, take place; consequently, the Sabbath will continue in force till the consummation of all things.” --Adam Clarke Commentary

JLB said:

What does what you said have to do with this scripture. I have noticed you don't use scripture in your writings, rather you just spout your opinion.

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Though Sabitarian may not have included much scriptural support for his doctrinal opinions, I’ll supply you with plenty of scriptural passages which endorse the continuance of Sabbath observance even after the resurrection of Christ (Matt. 24:20) and many other instances (Matt. 5:17-19) (Luke 6:5) (Mark 2:27) etc.

In fact, it is those that would dismiss Sabbath observance that must rely on a mere handful of mis-interpreted NT passages to support their viewpoints. Whereas, from Genesis to prophetic passages about the millennium the Sabbath is continually mentioned throughout the Bible. (Isa. 66:22-23)

JLB said:

So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

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This passage concerns JUDGING one another’s behavior and no more removes Sabbath observance than it does our daily need to drink and eat food.

JLB said:

The regulations of old saying, don't touch this or don't eat that are of no use to those in Christ!

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It would be greatly appreciated if you would supply specific scripture references, e.g., (Col 2:21) so the reader can review the passage in context. What version you are reading? It’s obviously NOT a literal translation of the Greek text.
The following verse helps to put your solitary passage in perspective:

Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using, after the commandments and doctrines of men? KJV

The seventh day Sabbath was NOT a commandment or doctrine of men but was instituted by God Himself on the seventh day of Creation (Gen. 2:2-3) Certainly, the Pharisees corrupted the initial intent of the Sabbath with a plethora of Sabbath rules but God intended the Sabbath to be an eternal blessing for both man and beast. (Isa. 58:13-14)

Christ was accused not just of "wrong day" keeping, but of "breaking" a sabbath. I know personally of the misery that is caused people by these legalistic theologies, eg as per the world wide church of god Herbert Armstrong etc. Legalism has to be the major enemy of the Truth. Who needs a devil when he has people to do his work for him?

Matthew 5:17-18

17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

UNTIL!

DID JESUS FULFILL THE LAW? YES OR NO!

IF HE DIDN'T, THEN YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES!



Hebrews 7:11-19

11 Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? 12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. 13 For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar. 14 For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. 15 And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest 16 who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. 17 For He testifies: "You are a priest forever According to the order of Melchizedek." 18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, 19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.


THERE IS ALSO A CHANGE IN THE LAW!

FORMER COMMANDMENT HAS BEEN ANNULLED BECAUSE OF ITS WEAKNESS, FOR THE LAW MADE NOTHING PERFECT.

JESUS FULFILLED THE LAW! ITS BEEN ANNULLED!

JLB,
You posted Mathew 5: 18, but are you actually reading it or just parroting doctrine of the protestant denominations, which comes from Papal doctrine, which is condemed by Revalations in scripture.
Matt 5:18
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
KJV
"Til all be fulfilled" and as yet all has not been fulfilled, as I know of several scriptures which have not been fulfilled. We as Sabbath Keepers will not be able to buy or sell for instance, however it will not affect you as you already follow Papal doctrine and that is the point made by scripture.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

Sabitarian said:

JLB,
You posted Mathew 5: 18, but are you actually reading it or just parroting doctrine of the protestant denominations, which comes from Papal doctrine, which is condemed by Revalations in scripture.
Matt 5:18
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
KJV
"Til all be fulfilled" and as yet all has not been fulfilled, as I know of several scriptures which have not been fulfilled. We as Sabbath Keepers will not be able to buy or sell for instance, however it will not affect you as you already follow Papal doctrine and that is the point made by scripture.
humble servant of the Lord God Most High

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The context is The Law.

Not one jot or tittle of the Law.


If you don't think Jesus fulfilled the Law, then you need to keep the law.

Did Jesus fulfill the law. Yes or No