The true gospel of Christ

dev553344 · Sep 20, 2022

I'm seeing so much debate over OSAS and the Commandment Preachers. As well as discussions about God. And I have to say the bible supports both ideas as far as the commandments and OSAS which means to me that neither is the entire truth and the bible must be interpreted differently. As far as God and what he is I think he is incomprehensible as his intelligence goes far beyond ours. And how can a human creature with such an IQ comprehend the thoughts of a God with such a limitless IQ?

So I'm wondering if anyone else has drawn the same conclusion as I have?

And that is:

1. The bible has spelled out that God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. And I don't believe it is important to dissect or try to understand more than that. I think conjecturing about who God is can lead people into blasphemous areas.

2. That we are to obey the commandments and the whole law and royal law of love God and love your neighbor as spelled out for clarity in the sheep and goats and ten commandments and elsewhere (Matthew 25-31-46).

3. Seeing this is quite impossible for man to obey and that Christ did obey this law and lived perfectly. That Christ established the Messiah for all of man. That we are in need of a merciful God that desires to save us and that loves us as a Father loves his children. The Apostles saw that and spelled it out in the scriptures (Matthew 19:23-26, James 2:10).

4. That no man can save himself, salvation is the gift of Christ for those that believe in him and the Father and the Holy Ghost. (Ephesians 2:8). But we must try to live as God has taught us.

5. That the true church has no poor among them and has all things in the common good for the members of Christ's church. This is the sign of Christ's true church, that there are no poor or needy among them and that they look after those in need. (1 Timothy 3:2-13). The true church has bishops and deacons to look over the poor and needy. To administer the sacrament and baptism, etc. And to conduct meetings.

Anything I left out? Please feel free to add to it.

dev553344 · Sep 20, 2022

Doctrine of the true Church as I see it.

Sin is anything we do that is not good as we know it: James 4:17

Sin is not obeying the Royal Law of Love God and your neighbor or ten commandments. Royal law has a template from Jesus in Matthew 25:31-46

If we sin on one point we are guilty of the whole law James 2:10

He who claims to be without sin has not the truth: 1 John 1:8

I also have a personal testimony that following Jesus' teachings brings Peace, Love and Joy from the Holy Spirit of God as a blessing (Galatians 5:22-23).

God is merciful as taught in the scriptures and he is good. He would direct us to be perfect, and knowing that we will not be perfect he sent Jesus the Christ as a perfect sacrafice that we might be saved. But it is good to direct people to not sin and God is good. John 3:16

mailmandan · Sep 20, 2022

The true gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) and to "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-SUFFICIENT means of our salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) The gospel is a message of grace that is to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.

Michiah-Imla · Sep 20, 2022

“…thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.” (Romans 11:20-21)

St. SteVen · Mar 17, 2023

dev553344 said:
1. The bible has spelled out that God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. And I don't believe it is important to dissect or try to understand more than that. I think conjecturing about who God is can lead people into blasphemous areas.

The Trinity is a man-made doctrine. Not spelled out in the Bible.
To be clear, I don't deny the godhead, but there is room for debate about how that works.
For example: Was there a Son of God before the Word became flesh?

What is blasphemy? Daring to explore unorthodox thoughts?
(loss of freedom of speech/mind control/compelled speech)

dev553344 said:
2. That we are to obey the commandments and the whole law and royal law of love God and love your neighbor as spelled out for clarity in the sheep and goats and ten commandments and elsewhere (Matthew 25-31-46).

Under the law? Nope.

dev553344 said:
3. Seeing this is quite impossible for man to obey and that Christ did obey this law and lived perfectly. That Christ established the Messiah for all of man. That we are in need of a merciful God that desires to save us and that loves us as a Father loves his children. The Apostles saw that and spelled it out in the scriptures (Matthew 19:23-26, James 2:10).

The Apostle Peter said it best.

Acts 15:10 NIV
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

dev553344 said:
4. That no man can save himself, salvation is the gift of Christ for those that believe in him and the Father and the Holy Ghost. (Ephesians 2:8). But we must try to live as God has taught us.

Try? How is that measured?

dev553344 said:
5. That the true church has no poor among them and has all things in the common good for the members of Christ's church. This is the sign of Christ's true church, that there are no poor or needy among them and that they look after those in need. (1 Timothy 3:2-13). The true church has bishops and deacons to look over the poor and needy. To administer the sacrament and baptism, etc. And to conduct meetings.

The church as a commune?
Jesus said the poor would always be among us.
Caring for them does not eliminate poverty.

dev553344 said:
Anything I left out? Please feel free to add to it.

I see nothing about a "true" gospel here.
Not even sure what that means, "true". As opposed to what?
Anyone can claim that everyone else's gospel is false.
Where does that get us?

GRACE ambassador · Mar 17, 2023

dev553344 said:
I'm seeing so much debate over OSAS and the Commandment Preachers. As well as discussions about God. And I have to say the bible supports both ideas as far as the commandments and OSAS which means to me that neither is the entire truth and the bible must be interpreted differently.

The Confusion can be simply summed up in one word: homogenization. Solution?:
Obey God's Command In 2 Timothy 2:15 - ie:

The True gospel of Christ, on the earth, For The Dispensation Of The Law, for Israel =
gospel of the kingdom ( prophecy: Matthew - John )

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

The True Gospel Of Christ, From Heaven, For The Dispensation Of Grace, For The Body Of Christ:
The Gospel Of The Grace Of God ( Mystery: Romans - Philemon )

Decision time:
Which Dispensation are "we IN today"? Thus, Which Gospel is UN-dispensational?
And, Which Gospel Do we obey?

Or: we could continue to homogenize the Two Different gospels, and remain in Confusion, eh?

More here: God's Approval/TWO Gospels In Prophecy vs Mystery

Amen.

dev553344 · Mar 17, 2023

GRACE ambassador said:
The Confusion can be simply summed up in one word: homogenization. Solution?:
Obey God's Command In 2 Timothy 2:15 - ie:

The True gospel of Christ, on the earth, For The Dispensation Of The Law, for Israel =
gospel of the kingdom ( prophecy: Matthew - John )

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

The True Gospel Of Christ, From Heaven, For The Dispensation Of Grace, For The Body Of Christ:
The Gospel Of The Grace Of God ( Mystery: Romans - Philemon )

Decision time:
Which Dispensation are "we IN today"? Thus, Which Gospel is UN-dispensational?
And, Which Gospel Do we obey?

Or: we could continue to homogenize the Two Different gospels, and remain in Confusion, eh?

More here: God's Approval/TWO Gospels In Prophecy vs Mystery

Amen.

I've answered that question in other threads. But basically we are saved by Jesus sacrifice and are required to repent, which means providing works meet for repentance. Nothing is divided Grace ambassador, everything works out as described in the new testament.

Keiw · Mar 20, 2023

mailmandan said:
The true gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) and to "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-SUFFICIENT means of our salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) The gospel is a message of grace that is to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation.

Matt 7:22-23--these believe, but will hear those words from Jesus as judgement. A worker of iniquity( lawlessness) = one who practices a sin.

GRACE ambassador · Mar 20, 2023

Keiw said:
Matt 7:22-23--these believe, but will hear those words from Jesus as judgement. A worker of iniquity( lawlessness) = one who practices a sin.

they May have 'believed,' but Not "from the heart!" or, simply "obeyed
commandments (works)" Mistakenly believing they "could be saved by them"
But What Saith The Scripture?:

(A1) "God’s SURE Foundation Has THIS SEAL”:

“The LORD Knoweth them [ "believed from the heart!" ] that Are HIS!..."
(2 Timothy 2:19 KJB), Correct?

(A2) HOW LONG Has "The LORD KNOWN them That Are HIS Own"?
(Ephesians 1:4-6 KJB) = ALWAYS, Correct?

Some of these [ He Has Always Known! ] may "practice sin," But "bad works"
Will "Burn Up" At Judgment, "But: he himself Shall Be Saved, yet so as by fire!"
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

(b) For those who are LOST (believed, But NOT "from the heart!" = equals ALL "works,
good and bad are lawlessness! [Proverbs 21:4])," and The LORD Will Say Unto them:

“I NEVER Knew you”? (Matthew 7:21-23 KJB) = NEVER, Correct?

Further Biblical (144 X) Confirmation For "Those HE Has Always Known!":

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
+
God's Eternal Assurance

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!

mailmandan · Mar 20, 2023

Keiw said:
Matt 7:22-23--these believe, but will hear those words from Jesus as judgement. A worker of iniquity( lawlessness) = one who practices a sin.

They did not believe unto salvation, so their sins remain. Hence, worker of iniquity/one who practices sin. Jesus never knew these many people which means they were never saved. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin..

Keiw · Mar 20, 2023

GRACE ambassador said:
they May have 'believed,' but Not "from the heart!" or, simply "obeyed
commandments (works)" Mistakenly believing they "could be saved by them"
But What Saith The Scripture?:

(A1) "God’s SURE Foundation Has THIS SEAL”:

“The LORD Knoweth them [ "believed from the heart!" ] that Are HIS!..."
(2 Timothy 2:19 KJB), Correct?

(A2) HOW LONG Has "The LORD KNOWN them That Are HIS Own"?
(Ephesians 1:4-6 KJB) = ALWAYS, Correct?

Some of these [ He Has Always Known! ] may "practice sin," But "bad works"
Will "Burn Up" At Judgment, "But: he himself Shall Be Saved, yet so as by fire!"
(1 Corinthians 3:8-15)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

(b) For those who are LOST (believed, But NOT "from the heart!" = equals ALL "works,
good and bad are lawlessness! [Proverbs 21:4])," and The LORD Will Say Unto them:

“I NEVER Knew you”? (Matthew 7:21-23 KJB) = NEVER, Correct?

Further Biblical (144 X) Confirmation For "Those HE Has Always Known!":

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
+
God's Eternal Assurance

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II)!

It doesn't say it wasn't from the heart. I would say one that spends their time doing powerful works in Jesus name does it from the heart. Jesus said why--They worked iniquity= practiced a sin.

Keiw · Mar 20, 2023

mailmandan said:
They did not believe unto salvation, so their sins remain. Hence, worker of iniquity/one who practices sin. Jesus never knew these many people which means they were never saved. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin..

Many blind guides like Joel Osteen assure others--you are saved, yet they are workers of iniquity. They go through life believing they are saved.

GRACE ambassador · Mar 20, 2023

Keiw said:
It doesn't say it wasn't from the heart. I would say one that spends their time doing powerful works in Jesus name does it from the heart. Jesus said why--They worked iniquity= practiced a sin.

Keiw said:
Many blind guides like Joel Osteen assure others--you are saved, yet they are workers of iniquity. They go through life believing they are saved.

So, let us just ignore God's Word Of Truth About who He "Has Always KNOWN," and:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

those who He Has "NEVER Known"?

So sorry that you "missed the point"

Keiw · Mar 20, 2023

GRACE ambassador said:
So, let us just ignore God's Word Of Truth About who He "Has Always KNOWN," and:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

those who He Has "NEVER Known"?

So sorry that you "missed the point"

Its 100% clear--anyone who works iniquity( practices a sin) will hear those words as judgement. Jesus was showing--no matter what you think you do for him or love him if you work iniquity you will hear those words. Heb 10:26--No sacrifice left for any who practice a sin( work iniquity)

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