1stCenturyLady
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Demons sure like to play down sin. So just as long as you don't practice fornication, tonight's hot date won't matter. Brother, Christians don't even fornicate once.
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Demons sure like to play down sin. So just as long as you don't practice fornication, tonight's hot date won't matter. Brother, Christians don't even fornicate once.
Ive never said on any form, or from a pulpit, or in any classroom, that "salvation can be lost".
Im here for a 15+ months, arguing that its impossible to lose salvation, with The 2 Roberts, Ferris Bueller, YOU, Bible Hightlighter, Apek, and a handful of others, in 80% of my posts to them.
So, what is wrong with your head?
There is noone on any Christian forum, who teaches against the lie that you can lose your salvation, as much as i do.
Anyone on this forum knows that, but you are clueless?
Really?
Even this post you just wrote, makes no sense, none.
You stated that i said that our. "SIN is on Jesus , who. became our sin"......as your crazy idea that im teaching you can lose your salvation?
That comment does not even make rational sense.
ZERO.
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1stCenturyLady
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You described it though, which I quoted back to you. The wages of sin is death. So are you saying you can sin and not lose your salvation?
Actually people who have demons love to talk about sin, and works, and water baptism, enduring to the end, keeping commandments...they'll talk about anything all day long and all night long, to keep from having to fact that CROSS.
You left out this part.....>"but the gift of God is eternal life".
You can't even remember the quote, must less post the quote.
Maybe you should go lie down for a while and reflect on your nonsense, as its very carnal, and not of God.
1stCenturyLady
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We are crucified with Christ on that CROSS, and now are resurrected with Him in righteousness.
You mean this...
"The DIVINE EXCHANGE.."""
Yes, you are currently on my THREAD that TEACHES IT.
Did you forget again??
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>The Divine Exchange.<
Let me show you what this is....
Jesus is ""the LIVING Bread come down from Heaven."
He said....."I am from above, and you are from below".
Jesus came to give His body and blood and righteousness, to = "all who believe".
This is "the Gift of Salvation".
The blood and body that Jesus gave on the Cross .. John 3:16, takes care of ALL your sin, and the RIGHTEOUSNESS of Christ, becomes you, as a SON/Daughter OF GOD< "a new creation IN CHRIST">... when you do the ""work of God.""
""The work of God""......is......."to believe in Jesus whom God sent".
If you believe, then Jesus said this to YOU... """All that believe in me, i give unto them (you) Eternal Life, and you shall never perish ""...
Now, all of that is the "Divine Exchange"... its where God, Virgin born, meets the sinner and makes them His Son/Daughter, using the Cross of Christ.
Where exactly does God meet you.? God meets you IN your Faith.
How does He meet you? = He meets your faith with the Cross of Christ.
And what Happens?
There is a DIVINE EXCHANGE.
Look at this next verse from 2 Corinthians, that defines the Divine Exchange.. and you must have this Divine exchange to go to heaven.
2 Corinthians 5:21.....
For God has made JESUS (on the Cross) to be SIN for us....who knew no sin....that WE might be MADE... THE...RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD...in Him.... "In Christ".
Notice it says that God did this that you <MIGHT> become..("be made")
The reason it says MIGHT< is because you have to BELIEVE< and you might not.
You might instead be water baptized and try to "be like Christ", and die and go to hell.
But if you do the work of God, and "Believe on JESUS WHOM GOD SENT">...
IF you do, then God takes your Sin and has Jesus JUDGED for them all on the Cross.... And Christ's Righteousness is given to you, as "the Gift of Righteousness", and you become "made Righteous".
This is the DIVINE EXCHANGE.
Welcome To : SALVATiON.
Its a GIFT.
1stCenturyLady
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I'll quote you again:
So, there go your sins. = Jesus bore them all.......IF you are born again.
Now, if you decide to live in the flesh, and continually commit works of the flesh.
Here is what happens.
Your faith will become DEAD, and "christian stuff" will become completely unimportant to you as you mind slides deeper and deeper into "darkness".
THEN....
You will begin to suffer down here.
The hardships and the hurt will come and come and come and won't stop harming you.
You'll lose everything, eventually.....including your health, and if you still wont stop and turn back to GOD, even after God corrects you time after time, .. Paul says you will DIE.
You didn't say the rest either.
So answer the question? Can you sin and deserve the wages of sin, but instead receive the gift of eternal life while you sin?
Thats a good Thread....as it details the end result of a born again Christian, who returns to carnal behavior, and wont turn from it.
If you read it, you'll note that i never said, and would never say of a carnal backsliding Christian, that they can lose their salvation.
Why? Because you can't stop being born again, and also, your Salvation is not based on behavior, its based on the CROSS of Christ, this REDEMPTION< being applied to you, BECAUSE = you gave God your faith.
So, once you do that, you belong to God.
Your BEHAVIOR, down here, can allow the law of "sowing and reaping" to destroy your life, all the way to DEATH.
= Physical Dying.
But, you can't lose your Salvation, as the Born again Spirit, remains "in Christ" and "one with God"... as "the righteousness of God in Christ" .
This can never Change, as GOD caused this to happen and God causes it to remain.
The day of Salvation, happens when you hear the Gospel, and faith comes by hearing the word of God, and you TRUST in Christ.
God receives this faith to recreate your spirit as a "new Creation in Christ"....and you are born again.
This never changes....
So, if you are a GOOD born again Christian or a Bad Born Again Christian, you remain Born again.
Its the Spiritual BIRTH, that you can't change by behavior.
Its the same in the natural realm, regarding Birth.
You can be a Good Daughter, or a Bad Daughter, but you are always going to be your mother's Daughter because she BIRTHED YOU.
God has done the same for All the Born again.
BIRTH can't be changed... Its Happened, its DONE.
If you are born again, its DONE......you can't end it later if you are a horrible Christian, all you can do is end up suffering the consequences down here, but never after you die, as Jesus has SOLVED your SIN, and that is why you will only meet God as FATHER, and never as Judge.
1stCenturyLady
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That's 100% Calvinist! It is the biggest deception in Christianity.
8 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones whohave actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”
Hebrews 10:
“For yet a little while,
And He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38 Now then just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.”
39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
@Phoneman777 I apologize. You were right about him!
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It was not necessary for you to out yourself as someone who does not have any faith in Christ, to keep you saved.
I already KNOW.
And as i realize you are in your '70s, and it not my intention to be harsh with you, ..but because you have abused me here, since the first week i was here with your LYING and mis-quoting, and non-quoting while accusing...you leave me no choice but to always call you out, regarding the heresy that you believe and teach.
Thats on you.
Now look at your verse...
"but of those who BELIEVE.... unto.........the saving of the Soul".
This is not talking about believers.
That is talking about Unbelievers = never BELIEVED... at all.
This is talking about the ".fearful and unbelieving"
Notice.....>"believing, UNTO, the SAVING of the SOUL"..
So, who is it that believes unto the saving of the Soul?
A.) All the redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb....= all the born again.
So, your verse, is very similar to ...."Depart from me, i never knew you"......that is only talking to those who have never been born again.
1stCenturyLady
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Where is your scripture for Jesus keeping us saved. Are you talking about the one about the apostles, except for Judas?
When you see the words "have given" John is talking about the apostles. Calvinist believe that is about the predestined elect. You know - limited atonement.
Jesus said that those who endure to the end shall be saved.
1stCenturyLady
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Matthew clarified that they had had the Holy Spirit which is being born again. They had the gifts of the Spirit which you can't have without the Spirit.
NEVER AGAIN CLAIM TO NOT BE A CALVINIST. YOU'RE A LIAR. YOU BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEY TEACH INCLUDING OSAS.
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1stCenturyLady
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No. Why? have you been taught you must have a priest? What about a gay priest? Will any priest do?
really? It is possible to obtain salvation without a priest?
Side note: the successors of Moses Matt 23 were sinners but had authority and Christ commanded obedience to them!
it was taken from them and given to the new covenant church in the person of Peter and the apostles!
Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) holy mother church replaced Israel Matthew 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 2:42 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15
Authority of the Apostles!
What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?
Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission!
Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!
John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well until Christ returns in glory!
apostle means one who is sent!
Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!
The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!
Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments for the forgiveness of sin.
The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4
1stCenturyLady
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Yes, you just need to read the New Testament, repent to Jesus alone, and receive the Holy Spirit from Him.
When you've received the Holy Spirit of God inside of you, you are one with God.
Ephesians 4:
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
In 2,000 Jesus spoke to me out in the middle of the desert while I was driving from Arizona to California. He said, "I am giving you the office of Teacher." So you see I didn't need a priest. I have a personal relationship with God, Himself, and can hear His voice. And so can you.
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Do you realize that in the last 8 posts, you accused me of teaching that Salvation can be lost, and then accused me of teaching that it can't?
C'mon.
Get yourself together, 1Century Lady.
An where is my verse that teaches that Jesus keeps us saved?
How many do you want?
"i will never leave you or forsake you"
'new Creation in Christ".
"all that believe in me, i give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish"
"God who started Salvation in the born again, will HIMSELF be faithful to complete it".
"As Jesus IS, so are the born again, IN THIS WORLD".
"And you may KNOW that you have eternal life".
"Christ in you, the hope of Glory" (Glory is heaven)
