The Sabbath day.

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yes you're right kriss, because even the pharisees believed that miricles are work and we shouldn't work on the sabbath and yet Jesus proved them wrong by doing miricles on the sabbathif Jesus does something he is setting the example for us to follow and without him we would be lost and doubting in this subject.
 

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I do not know why they call Sunday the Sabbath day.I rest from Friday sunset till Saturday sunset. Not because I feel it is part of salvation, but simply because I believe this to be the true Sabbath day.I still attend church on a Sunday but am considering looking at the messianic Jews.In my heart I know that church is not the place to worship God, but we are the temple where God is worshipped in Spirit and Truth.I still believe good can be done to our fellow man on any day.Does anyone have views about the sabbath day. :angel9: :shepard:
I grew up Seventh Day Adventist and they worship on the Jewish sabbath. I no longer am a SDA or worship on Saturday.I do not fault anyone from doing so or think that it is desirable to do so. Paul says to not condemn anyone for what days they worship or feast days they worship.When we were freed from the Law were were free from the restrictions of the Law. The Law is perfect, but we were incapable of keeping it. Unfortunately one of the ramifications from trying to keep the law is guilt. Since we are doomed to fail, then we are doomed to feel guilty. Jesus came to remove guilt and shame.I know lots of SDAs who think themselves superior. Look they even named their church after it. It is a source of pride with them. It is also a source of guilt.It is impossible to strictly keep the observance of the Sabbath. They soon saw this and now they fudged it. Nurses in their own hospitals are exempted. There are other exemptions. But we know that a law is to be strictly obeyed or it isn't a law. Problem.The Ten Commandment that is impossible to keep is not covet. Everyone covets because it is in our heart. That law was put in there for a reason. to show that even the best of us is a sinner.We are free to worship on whatever we choose. As Christians we have a new covenant. Gentiles were brought into the church and they did not know the Ten Commandments and they did not have the Bible as we do today. The early church was faced with a problem. Should they become Jews first and then become Christians? It was decided that his was a unfair burden. More was at issue than just circumcision.The early church was divided. Epistles were written to counter the arguments against the Judasizers. The book of Hebrews is the strongest book against them, but Galatians is a strong second. Paul and the writer of Hebrews are pointing forward and saying that the new covenant is a better way. We do not have to know the law to keep it because it is written on our hearts and not on tablets of stone. The Holy Spirit knows the heart of the Father and byfollowing the Holy Spirit we cannot go wrong.We see in Acts 20 that Paul preached and they had communion on the first day. That does not mean that we should worship on this, just that there is nothing wrong with it. Romans 14: 5 - 6 tells us not to be divided over what day we keep holy. It is a matter of conscience.Finally Hebrews 4 discusses the Sabbath rest. It says that God's rest still stands, but that it is entered into by faith not by keeping the Law. Verse 7 says, Therefore God again set a certain day, calling it Today. As Christians we have direct access to God and we can enter into his rest at anytime.The bottom line is as in Romans 14 or Colossians 2: 16. Do what your conscience dictates. I can't tell you what day to observe and nor can anyone tell me.I do know the results of trying to keep the Sabbath artificially, though. It results in pride and guilt. By making it into a rule and then breaking it as needed it is better to never have made the rule in the first place.Blessings,Dunamite
 

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No, I've never heard of such a silly thing!This is the generation of the fig tree that started in 1948 when Israel became a nation again. Denver has an entire work prepared on this in the Bible study section and you need to know this, to understand where we are in prophecy.As far as the sabbath, Kriss is right on, so please go read her posts shown above, there is no need to add to them. Her conclusions are well documented from GOD's word. GOD's word speaks the truth. This reminds of: Jeremiah 17:5-95: Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. 6: For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. 7: Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. 8: For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. 9: The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Merry Christmas all!blessed1195
 

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FaithfulI used to be a 3rd generation SDA and understand your concern. Check out the web site i am attaching. Thy have written a few books that will help you with scripture on the sabbath issue and others.. He and family are ex Adventist preachers.http://www.ratzlaf.com/
 

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No, I've never heard of such a silly thing!This is the generation of the fig tree that started in 1948 when Israel became a nation again. Denver has an entire work prepared on this in the Bible study section and you need to know this, to understand where we are in prophecy.As far as the sabbath, Kriss is right on, so please go read her posts shown above, there is no need to add to them. Her conclusions are well documented from GOD's word. GOD's word speaks the truth. This reminds of: Jeremiah 17:5-95: Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. 6: For he shall be like the heath in the desert, and shall not see when good cometh; but shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, in a salt land and not inhabited. 7: Blessed is the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is. 8: For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and that spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit. 9: The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Merry Christmas all!blessed1195
So let's keep it holy, the generation of the fig tree,so we could be fruitful.
 

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"Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will beof no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts circumcisionthat he is obligated to keep the whole law. You are severed from Christ,you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace."(Galatians 5:2-4)"For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedomas an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another.For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'"(Galatians 5:13-14)
 

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I do not know why they call Sunday the Sabbath day.I rest from Friday sunset till Saturday sunset. Not because I feel it is part of salvation, but simply because I believe this to be the true Sabbath day.I still attend church on a Sunday but am considering looking at the messianic Jews.In my heart I know that church is not the place to worship God, but we are the temple where God is worshipped in Spirit and Truth.I still believe good can be done to our fellow man on any day.Does anyone have views about the sabbath day. :angel9: :shepard:
you are so right,the sab on the 7th day...never changed in gods eye,its for man not just the jews.or we could say that the whole thing is for the jews...what puzzles me is why all the defence for a man made sab [sunday]why not just keep what it says to remember..thats wierd the thing god says remember some people want to change ..if it no big deal to them why not keep the real day anyway...and why do they not see why it was changed and by who...if jesus said he is the sabbath that means he changed more then a tittle of the law..i wonder if we are to stop work everyday because jesus is the sabbath and only heal and prepare food..
 

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FaithfulI used to be a 3rd generation SDA and understand your concern. Check out the web site i am attaching. Thy have written a few books that will help you with scripture on the sabbath issue and others.. He and family are ex Adventist preachers.http://www.ratzlaf.com/
this is good article but only has to do with the box sda wants to put around you...god never said you would go to hell for breaking the sab...it was for man.jesus is lord of the sab.thats fine ...the thing is where the sunday sab leads you,where there controllers lead the people....[where does the sunday fit when it says have the faith of jesus and the commandments of god in rev]
 

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The sabbath was a shadow of things to come. Jesus was the shadow. Its not about a day anymore its about every day. The only way to rest is in Him. Even the jews that kept the sabbath had no rest, because they had no faith. Study Hebrews and Galations.they make the sabbath clear. The sabbath has become such a stumbling block in the SDA church that so many members stopped growing in the Lord because they think sda is only church going to heaven, My mother stills prays me and siblings will come back to sda church. Fortuneately sabbath isnt only problem,EG White and other false doctorines.
 

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Bullfighterread Hebrews 4 very well and you will start to understand. If your a SDa I can assure you You have been very well indocternated on the sabbath. There are thousands of ex Sdas that will help you understand. I believe I gave out a web site that will help
 

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BullfighterPlease keep the sabbath,but let others keep the day or days they want let no man judge the day one keeps. I try to keep every day a sabbath I try to be in his rest every day. I am not perfect but I try.
 

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Hey Faithful! I just want to recognize you on this. Yes I do keep sabbath as well Friday sunset to saturday sunset, when I first became born-again I was convicted for working doing laundry on a sunday then I found out that the original sabbath was friday sunset to saturday sunset and I told my parents to my surpise they knew this but felt it was not required to rest.Sabbath keeping is important to me and it should be for all believers If you are considering the messianics may I suggest something? Messianics follow talmud and talmud is satanic. Stay away from talmud. We should follow the torah and in Yashua'a Day they keep the letter of the law (Torah) but not the spirit of the law of love, they were legalists. I believe that full torah observance is now possible by accepting Christ as the risen Lord and keeping both the Spirit of the Law of Love and the Letter of the Law of commandments.It's odd because the jews doen't believe he was the messiah but they say he would lead the people to full torah observance what is left other than acceptance of Christ and walking in love which keeps the spirit of the law? It's a awesome time to be alive!here's some good resourceshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_lawhttp://www.rasalam.com/www.prayer-ministry.com/love.htmlhttp://www.missiontoisrael.org/http://sherryshriner.com/http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prophchr.html
 

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BullfighterPlease keep the sabbath,but let others keep the day or days they want let no man judge the day one keeps. I try to keep every day a sabbath I try to be in his rest every day. I am not perfect but I try.
but if jesus said he did not change one title of the law,and is lord of the sabbath..how does the two fit into the truth....ok then heb 4 till me there remains a sabbath .....why does ez 20;12 and 20;20 say what it does..i do not mean to grind the point...i feel that pagen Rome turned paple Rome and took on alot of sun worship..ok this sounds like sda but this is my own figuring on the subject backed up by some of the things sda says...i feel the pope will lead the catholics and the protestants to a great diception from whatching in my own eyes..........i see there is a great debate and protection of the sunday thing....i will stop and appreciate other gifts of the spirit with you all
 

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I dont have a problem worshipping on the sabbath. I just cant find a church to go to on the sabbath that is not legalistic. So I go elsewhere on a diff day. Jesus didnt change the law when he died he fufilled it. He is the sabbath. Its not an issue any longer. if its an issue for you go for it.When you have time go to www.ratzlaf.com Hes got some great articles to give you a different perspective on the sabbath and law. Hes an ex sda minister has his own church in Arizona. Dont worry about a deception for not keeping the sabbath. Watch for a deception in false doctorines.
 

crooner

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BullfighterI am not protecting sunday. I dont care when I worship or where I worship I am free in rest in Jesus every day.
 

Christina

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Agreed crooner We are told NOT to let any man that includes man made religions tell us what we should eat, drink, what holidays what lunar days witch is what the Sabbath is based on the lunar calender These were all the old ways before Christ. They served their purpose and were fulfilled in Christ as he became our Sabbath. Now you can worship on whatever day you like but THERE IS NO RIGHT OR WRONG DAY OF WORSHIP now you can listen to men or you can listen to God your choicebut the new testament does not support any Sabbath day you have to go back to the old testament for support and that was before our Lord and savior Jesus Christ if you call yourself Christain then Christ himself is your Sabbath everyday you are to rest in him that is the New testament teaching. No day. Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
 

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Bullfighter Think of what it was like to be a jew and believe in Christ back then. Do you think you would been welcome in the temple where they were still preaching the law on the sabbath. I think not.You were an enemy. Believers back then started worshipping in their homes.
 

Faithful

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Hey Faithful! I just want to recognize you on this. Yes I do keep sabbath as well Friday sunset to saturday sunset, when I first became born-again I was convicted for working doing laundry on a sunday then I found out that the original sabbath was friday sunset to saturday sunset and I told my parents to my surpise they knew this but felt it was not required to rest.Sabbath keeping is important to me and it should be for all believers If you are considering the messianics may I suggest something? Messianics follow talmud and talmud is satanic. Stay away from talmud. We should follow the torah and in Yashua'a Day they keep the letter of the law (Torah) but not the spirit of the law of love, they were legalists. I believe that full torah observance is now possible by accepting Christ as the risen Lord and keeping both the Spirit of the Law of Love and the Letter of the Law of commandments.It's odd because the jews doen't believe he was the messiah but they say he would lead the people to full torah observance what is left other than acceptance of Christ and walking in love which keeps the spirit of the law? It's a awesome time to be alive!here's some good resourceshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_and_spirit_of_the_lawhttp://www.rasalam.com/www.prayer-ministry.com/love.htmlhttp://www.missiontoisrael.org/http://sherryshriner.com/http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/prophchr.html
Hi Spiritsoldier,Everyone must live as the Spirit leads. The believers still went to the synagogue on the sabbath day in fact they preached there.If men and women worked 7 days a week when would they find time to meet with the rest of the body of Christ?So I see Gods reason why a sabbath day is required to ensure the body of Christ meets together.I do not ask people to observe the sabbath rest. But I know there are blessings that come from observing the sabbath day.When we use it for the purpose of worshipping together as the body and not just individuals. So I see why it can still work today for believers. But I am taught by God as in Isaiah 54:13. John 6:44-45. and also Jeremiah 31:33-34.When we are in a relationship with God we can discern between truth and that which is of men. Thankyou for your sites. But as you can see I have my faith built on Christs teachings and feel that we do need a sabbath day for the believers to meet together. But it does not matter if people do not have a sabbath day if they believe differently.I see the purpose and need for this day amongst believers.Salvation has nothing to do with the Sabbath day and a person as long as they have a reason can keep any day for God as a special one.Faithful.
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