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Every one in a while I will hear Him ask me, "What will I do to them?" It seems to go with this verse:

Mat 21:40 “Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?”

It is not really a question that I want to hear the answer to. That is because I often asks it when I get to talking to Him about certain groups of people, I think are getting things wrong. This morning I was talking to Him about groups of leaders running this country, when He asked me that question. Honestly, it made me feel really sad for them. Even the way He asked made me think that it was going to be bad for them, and they had no clue.

I then concerned the question asking myself what it might be, in my spirit I heard 'I will burn them, dry up their mouths, and put them in a hole. They will float in a lake of fire, and will be forgotten.' Maybe, hopefully, it was just me thinking that but it sounded like Him responding. So don't we need to make it clear that He is there, and does know, and that hell is real, so they really need to get to know Him!

I mean what will He do to them, and do we want that to happen to anyone, no matter how deserving.

And when I ask about the deserving part I hear Him tell me something like, "I stand there trying to get their attention all day long, everyday, for all their lives, and they choose not to listen to Me. How much more can be done for them who refuse to listen to Me."

I don't want to leave anyone with the impression that is how with Him normally is. I have never meet anyone so forgiving as Him. I make so many mistakes and He still is willing to talk to me, help me, and tell me "Karl, I love you.". So life with Him is life with the most understanding person I have ever meet. Still that question - "What will I do to them?" occasionally comes up. And it gets me thinking in a sad way for this world.
 

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Every one in a while I will hear Him ask me, "What will I do to them?" It seems to go with this verse:

Mat 21:40 “Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?”

May I suggest that you test that spirit.
Test it to see whether it is from God or not, or whether it is just an intrusive thought.
 
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May I suggest that you test that spirit.
Test it to see whether it is from God or not, or whether it is just an intrusive thought.
In the meantime i challenge us all to read our bibles and learn THAT GOD , that JESUS very well .
VERY longsuffering GOD is , but believe me , HE WILL DESTROY the wicked who repented not and trod Christ under foot .
Somehow todays love seems to think GOD wont do what HIS OWN righteous judgment will do unto the unrepentant .
But let us even look at what paul warned the very church of his time .
THEY rejected THE LOVE of THE TRUTH , thus GOD himself ALLOWS a strong delusion upon them to beleive a lie
so that they will all be DAMNED . OOPS . GOD dont change .
AND WHILE HIS DESIRE IS that the wicked would repent , BELIEVE YOU ME many are gonna face HIS wrath cause they refused .
 

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In the meantime i challenge us all to read our bibles and learn THAT GOD , that JESUS very well .
VERY longsuffering GOD is , but believe me , HE WILL DESTROY the wicked who repented not and trod Christ under foot .
Somehow todays love seems to think GOD wont do what HIS OWN righteous judgment will do unto the unrepentant .
But let us even look at what paul warned the very church of his time .
THEY rejected THE LOVE of THE TRUTH , thus GOD himself ALLOWS a strong delusion upon them to beleive a lie
so that they will all be DAMNED . OOPS . GOD dont change .
AND WHILE HIS DESIRE IS that the wicked would repent , BELIEVE YOU ME many are gonna face HIS wrath cause they refused .

Why do you challenge us to read the bible to learn about Gods judgement?
Do you assume that none of us have ever read the many passages that talk of Gods punishment of sinners, of hell etc etc etc
 
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Why do you challenge us to read the bible to learn about Gods judgement?
Do you assume that none of us have ever read the many passages that talk of Gods punishment of sinners, of hell etc etc etc
cause most churches no longer even make mention of it . ALL THEY DO is make it seem like EVERYONE IS SAVED
so long as they hug . Sin is no longer corrected in most places . THEY no longer behold BOTH the GOODNESS and SEVERITY OF GOD .
Instead they create a love god that wont even deny those who deny CHRIST . That even accepts witchcraft
homesexuality , abortion , the love of money and etc . GOT NEWS that aint GOD , ITS THE DEVIL they follow .
Satan knows how to use words like love , unity , freedom , tolerance and etc TOO .
Its tough to even find leaders that are grave at all . At most they dress up in fashion , play games
holler unity and love all day and over look sins for the sake of fellowship and create a version of GOD
that aint GOD , create a version of love that AINT THE LOVE OF GOD . THE DEVIL has most all of christendom RIGHT NOW . RIGHT NOW .
AND i am gonna expose both his works and his co workers who spew out his lies . My advice stands . GET IN THAT BIBLE
and STAY DUG IN IT .
 

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Every one in a while I will hear Him ask me, "What will I do to them?" It seems to go with this verse:

Mat 21:40 “Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?”

It is not really a question that I want to hear the answer to. That is because I often asks it when I get to talking to Him about certain groups of people, I think are getting things wrong. This morning I was talking to Him about groups of leaders running this country, when He asked me that question. Honestly, it made me feel really sad for them. Even the way He asked made me think that it was going to be bad for them, and they had no clue.

I then concerned the question asking myself what it might be, in my spirit I heard 'I will burn them, dry up their mouths, and put them in a hole. They will float in a lake of fire, and will be forgotten.' Maybe, hopefully, it was just me thinking that but it sounded like Him responding. So don't we need to make it clear that He is there, and does know, and that hell is real, so they really need to get to know Him!

I mean what will He do to them, and do we want that to happen to anyone, no matter how deserving.

And when I ask about the deserving part I hear Him tell me something like, "I stand there trying to get their attention all day long, everyday, for all their lives, and they choose not to listen to Me. How much more can be done for them who refuse to listen to Me."

I don't want to leave anyone with the impression that is how with Him normally is. I have never meet anyone so forgiving as Him. I make so many mistakes and He still is willing to talk to me, help me, and tell me "Karl, I love you.". So life with Him is life with the most understanding person I have ever meet. Still that question - "What will I do to them?" occasionally comes up. And it gets me thinking in a sad way for this world.

First off, people seated in Government offices are not Leaders of the American People.
(That is a long ingrained lie.)
They are Servants of the American People.

What to do?
Know the LIMITS of power the People set forth, for a Servant to Serve.
Know what the sitting Servants have done.
If you find they have Exceeded their LIMITS, gather the proof, state the Constitutional LIMIT they Exceeded, and Notify your State Representative.
If your State Representative (who is also a Servant) Does Nothing, (is negligent)...
* Do not cast your vote to support Either.
* Also with your evidence in hand, you can campaign Against them to encourage others to withhold a vote from Them, and Why.
* Pray for your Nation.

The US was established as a Constitutional Republic (not a democracy, another lie), established according to Biblical Principles and Standards.

The American People USED to be World wide known for their Upstanding Faith in the Lord God Almighty, and the Nation a Beacon of God first and Highly Blessed by God for her Liberty, Strength and Prosperity.

And now, A bumbling idiot sits in the Peoples House, Dictating to the People must do this, can’t do that....
(Drugs flow rampant, Illegal aliens enter unchecked, The debt is astronomical, The worlds capital of porn, Immorality taught in public education system, Bible a historically staple of public schools no longer exists, Goods of the lowest imported quality, Services are rated poor, Economy is a DC backroom game, usury out of control, Compelled rampant taxation, Jobs opportunities ruined, Crimes and repeat offenders lurking thick as flies, Forcing Jabs or lose your ability to Freely support your family... the deplorable list goes on and on....
AFTER, he with his hand on the Bible, Swore an Oath TO God and the American People to Serve and Protect their Liberty,

IF you are content with those things, do nothing.
If not, do nothing to support them.

Read up on the Whore of Babylon, it’s description will seem mighty familiar to you if you live in the US.

Glory to God,
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May I suggest that you test that spirit.
Test it to see whether it is from God or not, or whether it is just an intrusive thought.

I did - why didn't you?

I even provided a scripture background as was provided to me.

It is important that we test the spirits, (see 1 Jn 4:1-3, 1 Cor 12:3), but also that we are learning from our Lord Jesus Christ! He points out things like how the first words that snake of old said were, "Did God really say?"

We can, each of us for themselves, indeed go to the Lord and ask Him and get an answer. So, whenever I wonder whether some else heard from the Lord the very first thing, I want to do, is take that thought to Jesus Christ. There is indeed a problem when we don't seek Jesus Christ and the problem is that we wind up left in the dark. And that is a problem.

I once heard a radio preach explain that Jesus talked about hell more than anyone else in the Bible. If the Lord does not change is that not something you would expect Him to occasionally talk about to you? Of course, it would be!! But the devil wouldn't want to bring that up to you, would he? The devil wants to get us to doubt in the Lord by asking, "Did God really say?"

Yeah He did!
Mat 5:22 “But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

Do you see any anger going on between our leaders today? If so then surely it is not a surprise to hear Jesus Christ talk to you about that today, is it? It is what you be expected!

Yet for me, when He, the King of kings and Lord or lords spoken to me about them, His words hit me instantly with a reality that we need to make it clear -- clear that hell is real and some our going there!! And sadly, it is going to be those who have told themselves that God is not going to find them guilty as to be put "into the fiery hell".

Jesus Christ is God, and He did say, ' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell."

Mat 10:28 “Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

That fear of God in the above verse actually winds up talking to our Lord Jesus Christ, who is the One with that still small voice of truth that we hear in us. Yeah - it was Him - with that small voice of truth who spoke with me. It wasn't the power with which He spoke to me, but it was the truth with which He spoke to me that put reality into what He said.

We Christians need to put more truth into our message - even for the sake of those foolish leaders we have in this country who are fighting with each other. Hell is real!! That is the truth!! And they are guilty enough to go into the fiery hell!!!

That is part of our message of the good news. They don't have to go there, but that would mean they need to actually start listening to Him by faith!
 

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First off, people seated in Government offices are not Leaders of the American People.
(That is a long ingrained lie.)
They are Servants of the American People.

They are obviously the leaders of this country. I would actually like to say the Jesus Christ is our leader, and for those who listen to Him, He is their leader, but even then we are asked to obey those put in authority above us (which would mean leaders). We read about submitting to authority all through the Bible.

Now it is true that they as leaders should be serving the people with their leadership ability. Indeed that is what Jesus Christ does! He is after all called Wonderful Counselor. Never-the-less to try and think for a second that those in authority do not have leadership responsibilities and some ability to lead the direction in which this country is going is just silly.

Two things can be true at once - They can be the leaders of our country and have the responsibility to serve the country (American people). I don't know how someone doesn't understand this, but I do know that understanding comes from the voice of the Lord!

Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

Heb 13:7 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.

Now I do have to admit that according to the above verse which I am familiar with, I didn't really consider the political leadership to be included in it, but rather just the religious leadership of my church. Yet again, understanding comes from His voice, so God is even going to hold the political leadership in the country for the effects they had in keeping watch over or failing to keep watch over the souls of the people in this country. That should not have been a surprise to me. After all, Pilot was a political leader and Jesus Christ even submitted to him in going to the cross. And that considering what was written in Ps 2.

Ps 2:10 Now therefore, O kings, show discernment; Take warning, O judges of the earth.
Ps 2:11 Worship the LORD with reverence And rejoice with trembling.

The kings, leaders, and judges of the earth need to show some fear of the Lord, our Lord Jesus Christ!!! Hell is real and from what I heard there are going to be many in this country who are going to find that out the hard way.
 

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They are obviously the leaders of this country. I would actually like to say the Jesus Christ is our leader, and for those who listen to Him, He is their leader, but even then we are asked to obey those put in authority above us (which would mean leaders). We read about submitting to authority all through the Bible.

Now it is true that they as leaders should be serving the people with their leadership ability. Indeed that is what Jesus Christ does! He is after all called Wonderful Counselor. Never-the-less to try and think for a second that those in authority do not have leadership responsibilities and some ability to lead the direction in which this country is going is just silly.

Two things can be true at once - They can be the leaders of our country and have the responsibility to serve the country (American people). I don't know how someone doesn't understand this, but I do know that understanding comes from the voice of the Lord!

Prov 2:6 For the LORD gives wisdom; From His mouth come knowledge and understanding.

Heb 13:7 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.

Heb 13:7 is a directive according to a stipulation/caveat.


Heb 13:
[7] Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Regarding Spiritual Authorities/ that they govern over you according to the Word of God.

Regarding US Governmental Authorities/that they govern over you according to the Limits of the Constitution. (Which BTW was based on the Principles and Standards of the Word of God.)

If one does NOT KNOW the Word of God...
If one does NOT KNOW the Limits of the Constitution...
The Listener and Doer....follows and does BLINDLY.
 

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Why do you challenge us to read the bible to learn about Gods judgement?
Do you assume that none of us have ever read the many passages that talk of Gods punishment of sinners, of hell etc etc etc

I am not challenge you to read the bible to learn about Gods judgement!!

I don't even know how you came to that conclusion.

I am challenging you to listen to our Lord Jesus Christ and what He has to personally tell you!!

I do use the Bible to make that point, but did you not read what I wrote? Did you not read how I was talking with Him and He was talking with me?

This morning I was talking to Him about groups of leaders running this country, when He asked me that question. Honestly, it made me feel really sad for them. Even the way He asked made me think that it was going to be bad for them, and they had no clue.

Do you see where I wrote: "I was talking to Him about groups of leaders running this country, when He asked me that question."

So I am not asking you to read your Bible!! He will do that!! But I am asking you to start listening to Him, because He is the Teacher, the Lord, the King of kings, the Might God and the child who came to be called Wonderful Counselor, Prince of Peace, and even Everlasting Father. (See Is 9:6) So it is that the Bible is good for reproof but the Bible is not our message, He is! The Bible just confirms it. He matches up with what we find in the Bible simply because those who wrote the Bible heard from Him.

So if you want to learn about God's judgments, you need to listen to Him - but I will tell you truly, the first words I hear from His voice were, "Read Your Bible"! So if He doesn't tell you to read from it, like a teacher would tell a pupil to read a textbook, I would be surprised!

He once told me:

WHAT TEACHER DOESN’T PUT A BOOK IN FRONT OF HIS STUDENTS TODAY; YET NOT JUST A BOOK BUT OVERHEAD TRANSPARENCIES, VISUALS, AND OTHER MATERIAL? FOR I TELL YOU TRULY, IF THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO ME THEY ARE NOT MY PUPIL, THEY ARE NOT MY STUDENT; I TELL YOU TRULY, THEY ARE NOT MY DISCIPLE UNLESS THEY ARE HEARING FROM ME. SO DON’T TELL THEM TO READ THE BOOK, THEM TO TAKE THE CLASS!”

So, I am telling you to take the class which the Teacher has for you personally, and expect Him to use materials like the Bible when He teaches you, but to be in the class you have to be listening to the Teacher. Indeed, He will talk to you about all sorts of things, including hell!
 

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Heb 13:7 is a directive according to a stipulation/caveat.


Heb 13:
[7] Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.

Regarding Spiritual Authorities/ that they govern over you according to the Word of God.

Regarding US Governmental Authorities/that they govern over you according to the Limits of the Constitution. (Which BTW was based on the Principles and Standards of the Word of God.)

If one does NOT KNOW the Word of God...
If one does NOT KNOW the Limits of the Constitution...
The Listener and Doer....follows and does BLINDLY.


What does Heb 13:7 have to do with this conversation. There are those who might hear from the Lord and pass on words they heard, like what I did in the OP, and then we also have leaders who do not hear from the Lord and listen to Him!!

If don't see a connection other than they should listen to the Lord and hear from Him! He makes sense!! And He does not just lead "blindly"!!! Why are you thinking that??

Ps 146:8 The LORD opens the eyes of the blind;
The LORD raises up those who are bowed down;
The LORD loves the righteous;

He opens the eyes of the blind and so He doesn't lead blindly!!! He lets you know what He is doing. Of course not all He is doing, because He is doing to much for us to comprehend, but He does not lead blindly!! So how do you not know this?
 

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What does Heb 13:7 have to do with this conversation.

Heb 13:7 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.

Karl ... did you so soon forget you brought up Heb. 13:7
Post # 8?
 

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Karl ... did you so soon forget you brought up Heb. 13:7
Post # 8?

Let's see:

Heb 13:7 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.

Yeah - I gave a verse which says "Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.

That is Heb 13:17 - instead of Heb 13:7 - I got a typo and missed the '1' in '17', but I actually showed you the verse!

And I also asked you:

What does Heb 13:7 have to do with this conversation.


So "What does your verse have to do with this conversation?"

But I gave you a possible answer, and it doesn't mean that our leaders are only those who hear from the Lord, as you seem to think. They are responsible for hearing from the Lord, as are you and I, but they can be leaders without hearing from the Lord!! Indeed, if they don't, do they. Still as Heb 13:7 brings up, "who will give and account"

So while I brought up Heb 13:17 (though with a typo showing 13:7) "Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you."

"Heb 13:7" also has a point to a make which is that they will have to give an account as to hearing from and obeying the Lord!! Which is the point in the OP - so the question "What does your verse have to do with this conversation"

So your conclusion expressed as"

First off, people seated in Government offices are not Leaders of the American People.

The people seated in Government offices ARE leaders of the American people - even those we need to submit to, and they will have to give and account to the Lord our God for hearing from Him or not!!!!!!!!!!

That is the essence of what is in the OP and what He was telling me!!

We Christians tend to think we don't have to submit to the authorities God has put in place, which include political leads in seat for the government!! They will be held accountable for listening to Him, and currently according to what He spoke to me, our current leaders are going to be held accountable to God, and that for not listening to Him!! They are going to wind up in hell if that does not change!!

Your assumption that they in government are not our leaders, which God put in place over, us is WRONG!

Did we not read that Jesus Himself submitted to Pilate (the political leader in a "seated in Government") and explained to Pilate that he would have no authority of Him except His Father gave it to him???

Jn 19:10,11 So Pilate *said to Him, “You do not speak to me? Do You not know that I have authority to release You, and I have authority to crucify You?”
Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.”

Pilate was a leader, even a leader of government and 'seated' there from above. Jesus therefore submitted to Pilate as the leader given authority, but that did not mean Pilate and others were not going to be held accountable for their sin!! That was what it meant and why Jesus went to the cross, and is still like that today!!

If indeed you listen to the Lord, it will be explained to you!
 

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Let's see:



Yeah - I gave a verse which says "Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.

If indeed you listen to the Lord, it will be explained to you!

Already listened, Already Heard, Already Elected by Freewill Choice.
VERIFY what you hear, what you are told.

IF what you hear, what you are told, IS NOT ACCORDING TO GODS WORD...DO NOT jump onboard in SUPPORT thereof.

IF you are Oppressed, Hated, Outcast, Rounded Up, KILLED...
FOR NOT SUPPORTING the “teachers, the leaders, the whatever you want to call them”....NO PROBLEM...
IF above all things YOU HAVE ELECTED the Lord God IS YOUR MASTER.
 

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Pilate was a leader, even a leader of government and 'seated' there from above. Jesus therefore submitted to Pilate as the leader given authority, but that did not mean Pilate and others were not going to be held accountable for their sin!! That was what it meant and why Jesus went to the cross, and is still like that today!!

It depends on what they ask you to submit to...

For example, had Pilot asked Jesus to "kneeL", ... Jesus would have not.

If Pilot had asked Jesus to Lie.... Jesus would have not.

However, we should always pray for our leaders.




 
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Every one in a while I will hear Him ask me, "What will I do to them?" It seems to go with this verse:

Mat 21:40 “Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?”

It is not really a question that I want to hear the answer to. That is because I often asks it when I get to talking to Him about certain groups of people, I think are getting things wrong. This morning I was talking to Him about groups of leaders running this country, when He asked me that question. Honestly, it made me feel really sad for them. Even the way He asked made me think that it was going to be bad for them, and they had no clue.

I then concerned the question asking myself what it might be, in my spirit I heard 'I will burn them, dry up their mouths, and put them in a hole. They will float in a lake of fire, and will be forgotten.' Maybe, hopefully, it was just me thinking that but it sounded like Him responding. So don't we need to make it clear that He is there, and does know, and that hell is real, so they really need to get to know Him!

I mean what will He do to them, and do we want that to happen to anyone, no matter how deserving.

And when I ask about the deserving part I hear Him tell me something like, "I stand there trying to get their attention all day long, everyday, for all their lives, and they choose not to listen to Me. How much more can be done for them who refuse to listen to Me."

I don't want to leave anyone with the impression that is how with Him normally is. I have never meet anyone so forgiving as Him. I make so many mistakes and He still is willing to talk to me, help me, and tell me "Karl, I love you.". So life with Him is life with the most understanding person I have ever meet. Still that question - "What will I do to them?" occasionally comes up. And it gets me thinking in a sad way for this world.
He will continue to love them for he cannot be untrue to himself.
Jonah wanted revenge on the Ninevites. That was right down his alley (Jonah is a metaphor for God's people)....but that's not what God wanted.

John tell us that God is love....not just that he has love but that he is love. We have a hard time understanding this. We assume God is like us....he wants his pound of flesh. We assume this because we haven't seen Jesus. We assume this because we have certain facts about Jesus yet knowing about someone is a long way from knowing them. We assume this because we have missed that Jesus is the full revelation of God as the opening chapter of Hebrews tells us.

What will God do to them.....he will continue to love them even while they nail him to a cross.....even while they choose to destroy themselves.
 
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Already listened, Already Heard, Already Elected by Freewill Choice.
VERIFY what you hear, what you are told.

IF what you hear, what you are told, IS NOT ACCORDING TO GODS WORD...DO NOT jump onboard in SUPPORT thereof.

IF you are Oppressed, Hated, Outcast, Rounded Up, KILLED...
FOR NOT SUPPORTING the “teachers, the leaders, the whatever you want to call them”....NO PROBLEM...
IF above all things YOU HAVE ELECTED the Lord God IS YOUR MASTER.

I don't see a verse with an explanation from you in support of what you think - and nothing from you that you give credit to Him who you are supposed to be hearing from. Yet I do give support and explanations to support what I did hear from Him!!

Just look at the OP is shows you are wrong in what you assert. I opened up with the following two lines quoted below:


Every one in a while I will hear Him ask me, "What will I do to them?" It seems to go with this verse:

Mat 21:40 “Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?”

In so doing I testified about Jesus Christ and Him being the Word of God, meaning He has the words of God for us which the Holy Spirit takes from Him and speaks to our spirit, and I testified that I heard and sometimes hear from Him, "What will I do to them?"

And then I supported it with a verse which He actually brought to my spirit to support what He was saying to me. So, I gave you a testimony about Him being the Word of God who speaks to us personally, just like it is written in the Bible, and supported it with the verse He Himself gave me to support what He said to me. I can not fine where that is being done anywhere on this forum, but I am sure it must be done somewhere, but not by the accusers. And not by those saying, "IF what you hear, what you are told, IS NOT ACCORDING TO GODS WORD"

The simple reason for that is the Jesus Christ is "God's Word" and He is not the Scriptures!!

The Scriptures are good for reproof, teaching, and instruction in righteousness, which is hearing our Lord personally and doing what you hear from Him. So let me just use those Scriptures which you are calling "God's Word" to prove what I just explain - that Jesus Christ is God's Word and the scriptures are not Him. It's an easy proof which anyone claiming to know the Scriptures should be able to prove!

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

Jn 1: 1,2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Do not fear, Abram, I am a shield to you;
Your reward shall be very great.”

The above three serves (and I can get many more) prove that Jesus Christ the Word of God!! Indeed, "The Word of God" is His name!! And we see His name being used throughout the Bible! Indeed, the gospel of John opens up with Jesus Christ being called "the Word". So though John must have know Jesus as "Jesus", that gospel was quick to use the Lord's name "the Word", to explain that the Christ came to us. And you should also know that Moses, when explaining about our Lord coming and speaking to Abram, called the Christ "the word of the Lord. So Gen 15: could have been written 'After these things Jesus Christ came to Abram in a vision saying...", because Jesus Christ is the Word of God.

So that is proved by using the Scriptures, that Jesus Christ is the Word of God. So let me prove that Jesus Christ is not the scriptures, by using the scriptures, which again are good for reproof, which does mean someone will accept the reproof the scriptures do offer us.

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Jn 5:39,40 “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

Is 28: 12,13 He who said to them, “Here is rest, give rest to the weary,” And, “Here is repose,” but they would not listen.
So the word of the LORD to them will be, “Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there,”
That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.

So by using the above three verse we see that the Scriptures shut everyone up under sin, so that the promise of faith in Jesus Christ might be given. So the scriptures don't give us eternal life but faith in Jesus Christ does. So, the scriptures are not Jesus Chris,t because they don't and can't do what He does for us. Reading the scriptures does not take faith but hearing and believing in the Christ who you can and do hear from if you are His sheep, does take some faith to believe. Indeed, Gen 15, which we already references gives us an example of that faith - Abam heard from Him and believe He was the Lord and that faith was counted to Abram as righteousness, and yet Abram did not have the scriptures to read.

And so above we also find a problem the Jews (people) had in that they search the Scriptures thinking that in them they have life instead of turning to Jesus Christ!!

So in the next verse above we find Isaiah explaining that problem of where if we don't listen to the Lord then the word of the Lord to us will wind up being those orderly lines up line that we read a little hear and there, as opposed to the Word of God being the Lord who speaks to us via the small voice of His.

Thus if we see someone write something like: "IF what you hear, what you are told, IS NOT ACCORDING TO GODS WORD" it quickly becomes apparent that they are not listening to the Lord because they are calling the orderly line upon lines of text the "word of the Lord" and have fulfilled the prophecy that Isaiah gave, as proved in the Scriptures.

Now we let people know that because we want them to turn back to the Lord by hearing Him with faith. We don't want them to continue to lean on their own understanding. Indeed that is one of the reasons why the Lord gave me the information in the OP. WE NEED TO GET OUR LEADERS OF THIS COUNTRY SEEKING OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!! Yet that starts with us actually seeking Him!!

And though I go long, let me support that statement:

1 Sam 12:14 “If you will fear the LORD and serve Him, and listen to His voice and not rebel against the command of the LORD, then both you and also the king who reigns over you will follow the LORD your God.

The fact is that our leaders are not listening to the Lord our God and that is because we are not listening to His voice!! Just so the prophecy that Isaiah wrote about the word of the Lord becoming the lines of text in the Scriptures has some to past along with the prophecy that Samuel wrote about we needed to listen to His voice so that the promise of God that our leaders would listen to Him!!

WE HAVE A PROBLEM, WHICH IS EVIDENT FROM READING POSTS IN THE CHRISTIAN FORUM, AND THE PROBLEM HAS RESULTED IN OUR LEADERS NOT LISTEN TO HIM EITHER!! SO IS IT A SUPRISE THAT HE WOULD TELL ME WHAT HE HAS! INDEED EVEN IF YOU DON'T CARE TO BELIEVE IT, HE ASKS ME TO MAKE THIS PROBLEM CLEAR TO HIS PEOPLE (US CHRISTIANS). IT WILL CHANGE THINGS AS WE CHRISTIANS START SEEKING HIM, AND ALSO IF WE CONTINUE TO FALL AWAY FROM HIM AND HIS INSTRUCTIONS TO US