Reasons why the Jehovah’s Witness religion is false (Despite my love for them as human beings)

Bible Highlighter · Sep 21, 2022

To all:

Jesus says,
“But wisdom is justified of all her children.” (Luke 7:35).

Some today will falsely criticize the body of Christ (who defends God's Word and it's good ways), just as others have falsely criticized Jesus Christ. Wisdom is proved right by her deeds as another translation says. So if we are falsely accused, God will prove us correct in the end if we stick by what His Word says in believing it, and if we obey it. Our wisdom is proved right by the good things in our life that God has done and continues to do. Others may seek to attack just as they did with Jesus (because they don't understand), but God will show the saints to be proven true by their actions done in the faith.

It's not wrong to expose or reprove the unfruitful works of darkness like the false religion of the JW's (that attacks God's Word).

The apostle Paul said,
“And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.” (Ephesians 5:11).

Behold · Sep 21, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
Do you see all ways leading to Heaven?
?

Its the Devil who teaches that there are many "ways leading to heaven".

Jesus teaches that there is ONE WAY......Just Himself.... John 14:6

Bible Highlighter · Sep 21, 2022

To all:

Paul preached that there is ANOTHER Jesus.
Jesus preached that there would be false Christs who would arise.
Obviously the JW Jesus is not the same Jesus of the Bible.
The JW Jesus is Michael the Archangel.
But according to the Bible, Jesus is GOD (second person of the Trinity or Godhead).
So those who do not understand that the JW's are not saved simply are not aware of all of the issues of the JW religion and they are not aware of what their Bible actually says. I provided the reasons in the beginning of my OP as proof.
If you disagree with a claim, please use a non-JW source to support your argument.

Michiah-Imla · Sep 21, 2022

Writing exposes on cults is a waste of time.

Any unleavened person well aquatinted with the holy scriptures will spot a false church/assembly fairly quickly.

It’s not that complicated.

People have tried to convert me to the Jehovah’s Witnesses cult a few times over the years. Not happening.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 21, 2022

Here is one testimony of a person who has left the JW organization:

Let me tell you my own account, I was a full on 100% believer until the age of about 25. Then I secretly believed about 98% of it. I consoled myself with the line of reasoning that “we cant know everything”. Each year from then on I believed less and less of what the magazines and the governing body were saying. Specifically:

Shunning - from age 25 I regarded shunning as the exact opposite of Christianity. Reason being, if we’re to be followers of Christ, why would we shun anybody? Jesus didn't.
Blood transfusions being forbidden - I didn't fully agree with this. I thought it should be a personal conscience matter.
Confessing sins to elders - Why? Isn't Jesus and Jehovah enough?

By the age of 28 I believed only 60% of it. By the time I left the organization at 31yo I believed 0% of it. I still believed the bible at the time that I left the religion but not the Watchtower society.

I didn't tell anybody this of course because you’re not allowed to express doubts to the other members. You’re only supposed to tell elders of your doubts so that they can “help” you by “adjusting your thinking” [translation: tell you to change your mind or get kicked out of the religion].

It’s much easier to play the game. Turn up to meetings, pretend to knock on the doors and try to stay under the radar. You can spot the people doing this in the congregation, they’re the ones who hardly (if at all) answer up, are irregular on the ministry and don't really socialize at the meetings. Their life is hell. They’re likely suffering from depression because they feel held back and wish they could just leave. That was me at one point. It got so bad that I remember when I was 28yo I started having panic attacks. At the time I didn't know why, but I’ve since recognized that my body (or my mind) was aware that something was wrong. I was going along with things that were against my principles and beliefs. One time I remember having to leave the Kingdom Hall during the opening song and I spent the next two hours just walking around the block trying to calm down. Another time on a Thursday evening (which was a meeting night) I started to feel anxious and felt feint on the bus home. I started hyperventilating, my hands clamped tight shut and I couldn't feel my fingers. The bus stopped and they called paramedics. My blood pressure and blood sugar levels were normal. There was no physical reason why my body would react that way. I remember a doctor telling me the next day “you seem to be exhibiting PTSD”. He was baffled. I’ve since learned that about 25% of those who are waking up from cults or who actually leave do indeed suffer from PTSD.

So it’s fear of being disfellowshipped. If you’re disfellowshipped you lose everyone. Your parents, your children, maybe even your spouse. Your friends? You’ll see how they weren’t your real friends after all when they literally pretend that you’re invisible. Then your own family will actually thank the Watchtower society for “protecting them” from your “influence”. Good JWs have no non-JW friends (they’re not allowed to) so if they ever leave they have no one, know no one and are alone in a world they don't understand nor are prepared for.

My mother tells people I died. I have to live with that. My sisters invent stories about me to console themselves to feel justified in shunning me. This could have ruined my life but instead I embraced the real world and became determined to help others learn about this harmful cult.

Source:
Facts about jw.org, Watchtower, Jehovah's Witnesses and Truth

Michiah-Imla · Sep 21, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
Here is one testimony of a person who has left the JW organization:

This is why people need to never let any man, group, or organization “teach” you what the Bible teaches.

NEVER!

theefaith · Sep 21, 2022

All these fundamentalist cult come out of the burned over district in the 1800’s

since only Christ has authority to found a church Matt 16:18-19 all others are heretical tradition of men!

Bible Highlighter · Sep 21, 2022

@Michiah-Imla

Grace, peace, and love to you today in the name of Jesus Christ.
Hope you are doing well today.
Anyways, to get down to the business at hand:

Michiah-Imla said:
Writing exposes on cults is a waste of time.

Well, I don't believe so, friend.

One, like in the testimony I gave above, there are those who have doubts about their own organization and those doubts will lead them to want to search for the truth if they truly care about the truth. If they research the truth online they could potentially find this thread (along with many others that are out there).

Second, exposing this cult helps other true believers to stay informed about what the JW's actually believe, as well. So if they are confronted by them, they can challenge their false beliefs. I feel like I am more armed to reply a lot better to a JW person now based on the research I have done about them.

Three, I use Scripture along with the claims other Bible alone believing Christians have reported about them (with those claims I have found so far to be backed by basic educational sources). God's Word says,

“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.” (Isaiah 55:11).

Meaning, God's Word (i.e. the Communicated Word like the Scriptures) will not return void. Any time His Word is used in truth, it will not return void.

For example: I believe that even a prosperity preacher can lead somebody to Christ. But once that person knows the truth by studying God's Word deeper, they will not follow that prosperity preacher anymore (beyond their simple salvation initial message that they gave involving the gospel).

This is why Paul said,

Philippians 1:15-18
15 “Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.”

For example: I accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior in 1992 based on a mini comic book tract called, “This Was Your Life.” (By Chick Publications).

Chick.com: This Was Your Life

This tract was all based on Scripture verses. So their initial plan of salvation in that tract was true.

It was not until many years later that I found a tract by them called, “Flight 144” (See here) whereby they falsely teach that salvation does not also eventually include any works of any kind (Which runs contrary to James 2:17, James 2:24, Titus 1:16, 1 Timothy 5:8, John 15:3-6, Matthew 25:21, Matthew 25:30, etcetera). Chick Publications like many in Christianity today do not rightly divide Paul from James. They fail to understand the difference and they do not accept what other theologians call: “Initial Salvation vs. Final Salvation.” (or as I would like to call it:
“Initial Salvation by God's grace (without works), vs. Sanctification of the Spirit (as a part of God's plan of salvation).”

Note: Please keep in mind that the above image is not in reference to Calvinism. Believer's still have free will to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. But it is God who chooses to illuminate a person's understanding on God's Word to accept Jesus as His Savior and certain points in their life as needed by God's divine choice. In other words, a believer cannot come to the Lord without His drawing and illumination at the right time in their life. It is the work of God that helps to illuminate a believer's understanding. But it is the person's choice to be able to accept or reject the good news message of God to be initially saved.

Any unleavened person well aquatinted with the holy scriptures will spot a false church/assembly fairly quickly.

I agree. But like I said, there are the other points above.

It’s not that complicated.

I agree.

You said:
People have tried to convert me to the Jehovah’s Witnesses cult a few times over the years. Not happening.

I am glad. They are a dangerous cult.
It's odd. I had no interest in doing a thread like this because it seemed so obvious that they were false.
But as God had it, He pushed me to do this thread (even when I did not want to do it).

Bible Highlighter · Sep 21, 2022

Michiah-Imla said:
This is why people need to never let any man, group, or organization “teach” you what the Bible teaches.

NEVER!

Yes. This is just the tip of the iceberg of the things that should get a person to be upset over what the JW religion is doing.
But we should love them and pray for them as people even though we do not agree with their false beliefs and ways.
For I am a strong proponent of love the sinner, but hate the false belief and or hate the sin that has enslaved them.

The Learner · Sep 22, 2022

nothing to say

theefaith · Sep 22, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
Yes. This is just the tip of the iceberg of the things that should get a person to be upset over what the JW religion is doing.
But we should love them and pray for them as people even though we do not agree with their false beliefs and ways.
For I am a strong proponent of love the sinner, but hate the false belief and or hate the sin that has enslaved them.

please explain acts 1:8
Apostles are to be his witnesses

theefaith · Sep 22, 2022

Also Matt 28:19 lk 1:4 acts 8:31?

We cannot read scriptures and decide doctrine for ourselves according to scripture we must be “taught”!

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 4:1-2
1 And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them,

2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.

Acts 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Acts 18:25
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord;

1 thes 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Christ Taught:
Matt 5:2
Matt 7:29
Matt 13:54
Mark 1:21
Mark 1:22
Mark 2:13
Mark 4:2
Mark 9:31
Mark 10:1
Mark 11:17
Mark 12:35
Luke 4:15
Luke 4:31
Luke 5:3
Luke 6:6
Luke 13:26
Luke 19:47
Luke 20:1
John 6:59
John 7:14
John 7:28
John 8:2
John 8:20
John 18:20

Christ teaches with authority:
Matt 7:29
Mark 1:22

Apostles commanded to teach:
Matt 28:19

Apostles teach:
Mark 6:30
Acts 2:42
Acts 4:2
Acts 5:21
Acts 11:26
Acts 14:21
Acts 18:25
Acts 20:20
Col 2:7
2 thes 2:15
Titus 1:9

Hear the church Matt 18:17
The pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15

To hear men appointed by Christ

Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Acts 1:8
Acts 8:31
Acts 18:25
1 thes 4:6

One faith!

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

One heart / one mind

Acts 4:32
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul:

Romans 15:6
That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Apostles received the truth from Christ and are inspired by the Holy Spirit and are commanded to teach all men! Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 Matt 28:19

Apostles have same mission, power, ministry, and authority as Christ!
Jn 20:21

The sacred deposit of faith

Thee faith once delivered to the saints! Jude 1:3

Without (revealed catholic) faith it is impossible to please God! Heb 11:6

The church possesses the truths revealed by Christ in person, not from scripture, Jude 1:3, 1 Tim 3:15
Matt 18:17

The church is eternal!

The same yesterday, today, and forever!

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.

quietthinker · Sep 22, 2022

theefaith said:
Also Matt 28:19 lk 1:4 acts 8:31?

We cannot read scriptures and decide doctrine for ourselves according to scripture we must be “taught”!

Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 4:1-2
1 And as they spake unto the people, the priests, and the captain of the temple, and the Sadducees, came upon them,

2 Being grieved that they taught the people, and preached through Jesus the resurrection from the dead.

Acts 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Acts 18:25
This man was instructed in the way of the Lord;

1 thes 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Christ Taught:
Matt 5:2
Matt 7:29
Matt 13:54
Mark 1:21
Mark 1:22
Mark 2:13
Mark 4:2
Mark 9:31
Mark 10:1
Mark 11:17
Mark 12:35
Luke 4:15
Luke 4:31
Luke 5:3
Luke 6:6
Luke 13:26
Luke 19:47
Luke 20:1
John 6:59
John 7:14
John 7:28
John 8:2
John 8:20
John 18:20

Christ teaches with authority:
Matt 7:29
Mark 1:22

Apostles commanded to teach:
Matt 28:19

Apostles teach:
Mark 6:30
Acts 2:42
Acts 4:2
Acts 5:21
Acts 11:26
Acts 14:21
Acts 18:25
Acts 20:20
Col 2:7
2 thes 2:15
Titus 1:9

Hear the church Matt 18:17
The pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15

To hear men appointed by Christ

Lk 1:4
Matt 28:19
Acts 1:8
Acts 8:31
Acts 18:25
1 thes 4:6

One faith!

Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

Jude 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

One heart / one mind

Acts 4:32
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul:

Romans 15:6
That ye may with one mind and one mouth glorify God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Apostles received the truth from Christ and are inspired by the Holy Spirit and are commanded to teach all men! Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13 Matt 28:19

Apostles have same mission, power, ministry, and authority as Christ!
Jn 20:21

The sacred deposit of faith

Thee faith once delivered to the saints! Jude 1:3

Without (revealed catholic) faith it is impossible to please God! Heb 11:6

The church possesses the truths revealed by Christ in person, not from scripture, Jude 1:3, 1 Tim 3:15
Matt 18:17

The church is eternal!

The same yesterday, today, and forever!

2 John 1:12
Having many things to write unto you, I would not write with paper and ink: but I trust to come unto you, and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.

Oh theefaith......it seems you feel justified in your view by the sheer volume of texts you quote. As if the more you quote the righter you are. I see it more as an exercise in self persuasion rather than anything objective that is convincing.

Maybe you notice this same exercise/strategy is pursued by several folk here? Does it convince you of their angle? Do you even bother to read their quoted texts?

Where is the self honesty?

Bible Highlighter · Sep 23, 2022

theefaith said:
please explain acts 1:8
Apostles are to be his witnesses

So you believe Jehovah’s Witnesses of the WatchTower organization are really God’s genuine witnesses?
If so, then you need to go back to the beginning of the thread and check out what I had written on them.

quietthinker · Sep 23, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
So you believe Jehovah’s Witnesses of the WatchTower organization are really God’s genuine witnesses?
If so, then you need to go back to the beginning of the thread and check out what I had written on them.

With respect BH....your comments indicate you are lost at sea yet feel your feet are planted on solid ground.

Bible Highlighter · Sep 23, 2022

To all:

False accusations are common amongst those who falsely believe that the Bible cannot transform you and who crack jokes about the Bible, and who basically say that the Bible is a religion no different than the religion of football.

quietthinker · Sep 23, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
To all:

False accusations are common amongst those who falsely believe that the Bible cannot transform you and who crack jokes about the Bible, and who basically say that the Bible is a religion no different than the religion of football.

You twist words and ideas to suit your narrative BH. It amounts to me at least, not being able to take you seriously.

WalkInLight · Sep 23, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
Read this story here.

Jehovah's Witnesses cost me my family!

It's scary of the evil that has gone on in this organization.

I have talked to JW's. I have two real points to make to them. The first is about love and letting love flow from the heart to others. The second is about control, letting Jesus lead and feed and grow His people.

Any organisation which dictates the meaning of everything is not letting Jesus be the teacher or that their inspiration is Jesus, His word and love.
Everything flows from the foundational experience of knowing Jesus and the cross, and how this eternal declaration of commitment and love to people who will listen sets His people free.

Jesus described His people as His sheep who hear and listen to His voice. Now whoever has heard and Jesus has moved upon, they will know of what I speak. And the rest, I wish Gods blessing on, but it is His people who ultimately truly matter.

Paul calls us to maturity, to personally being able to decide what is Gods will and what is not. This is personal empowerment, not belonging to an organisation which defines what was is allowed to believe and how.

I do admire their dedication to witnessing and crossing boundaries, which is always hard to do. What ultimately matters is have we heard Jesus and have we repented and are seeking to follow Him.

God bless you

Bible Highlighter · Sep 23, 2022

WalkInLight said:
I have talked to JW's. I have two real points to make to them. The first is about love and letting love flow from the heart to others. The second is about control, letting Jesus lead and feed and grow His people.

Any organisation which dictates the meaning of everything is not letting Jesus be the teacher or that their inspiration is Jesus, His word and love.
Everything flows from the foundational experience of knowing Jesus and the cross, and how this eternal declaration of commitment and love to people who will listen sets His people free.

Jesus described His people as His sheep who hear and listen to His voice. Now whoever has heard and Jesus has moved upon, they will know of what I speak. And the rest, I wish Gods blessing on, but it is His people who ultimately truly matter.

Paul calls us to maturity, to personally being able to decide what is Gods will and what is not. This is personal empowerment, not belonging to an organisation which defines what was is allowed to believe and how.

I do admire their dedication to witnessing and crossing boundaries, which is always hard to do. What ultimately matters is have we heard Jesus and have we repented and are seeking to follow Him.

God bless you

Problem is that they believe that praying to Jesus is idolatry. One has to show that their religion is false or flawed before they are truly open to the truth of God’s Word (the Bible) in what it plainly says. Right now they are only looking at their own theological biased Bible and to the words of the WatchTower (as if it was God Himself talking). This is dangerous. Imagine if their JW leaders would tell them to kill themselves? Look at what happened with Jim Jones.

So I believe prayer, the Word of God, and showing flaws in their religion (with love in our hearts for them) is what will make the difference.

Desire Of All Nations · Sep 23, 2022

Bible Highlighter said:
Granted, Protestantism is more correct than Catholicism, but Protestantism still has it's problems.

Here is where your entire argument goes right off the tracks into being absolutely wrong. Protestantism is not "more correct". It simply swung to the opposite extreme of taking an unbiblical position. Because the papacy was corrupt, Protestants somehow concluded that all government is bad, including God's government.

I would argue that Protestantism is a lot more dangerous than Catholicism because of the clever way its adherents expertly sell lawless doctrines as Christian. Whether they are honest enough with themselves to admit or not, Protestants arrogantly believe that they are smart enough to figure out what is right and wrong for themselves, irrespective of God's commandments. It shows in their contempt for God's commandments, their contempt for the OT as a whole, and their frequent misuse of Paul and Christ's words.

As Richard Rex succinctly pointed out in his article about Martin Luther, Martin Luther's liberal approach to reading scripture is what paved the way for modern humanism to become prevalent in the West today.

As corrupt as Catholicism is, it has historically managed to keep entire groups of people united because there is government and a centralized authority. Protestantism, however, has served to do the exact opposite of uniting because its adherents hate the idea of being ruled by anybody, let alone God. It is for this very reason that their churches produce the craziest doctrines and continue to split into disagreeing sects. Just look at the controversies in the Methodist and Baptist groups.

You can think i'm wrong, but the fact that Protestants refuse to accept Paul's own words in 1 Cor. 1:10-13 about how Christ isn't split among disagreeing sects inherently proves all of Protestantism is false.

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