No Condemnation for Sinning?

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There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Some Christians teach this Scripture means there is no more condemnation for sinning by Christians, and it can't mean there is no more condemnation for Christians that are not sinning.

They say this, because they also teach it is impossible not to be sinning on earth, and so the Scripture must be reassuring Christians, that though we are still sinning like the world in works of the flesh, we however are no more judged by the law and condemned by Christ like the world.

So, since God doesn't condemn us for sinning, it's because He doesn't condemn sinning by us, like He does other unbelieving sinners.

If God doesn't condemn it, then why should we? Why all this preaching against something, that God doesn't condemn anymore? Is it just for show?

I'm thinking it's just for show from time to time, to give a little lip service for righteousness' sake.
 

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If God doesn't condemn sin anymore for a certain people, then why does He preach against it for all people throughout Scripture from Genesis 2 to Revelation 22?

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


Or perhaps Jesus is saying here, that Christians should just go on doing good or evil as they will, but He has His reward with Him coming soon enough for all of them?

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Are those without Christ only the unbelievers that are not keeping His commandments, but all believers keeping His commandments or not, are still blessed to have right to the tree of life?

Now that the second Adam has come, then Adam can now sin against the commandment of God and still freely pluck from the tree of life?

I'm saying no. I'm saying Scripture refers to what people are doing, because people are judged for what we do without respect of persons by Jesus Christ.

Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Just because we want to believe something, doesn't mean God has to go along with it. Believing we're saved does not mean we are believing Jesus, especially if we must twist Scripture all out of joint to continue believing it.
 

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There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Some Christians teach this Scripture means there is no more condemnation for sinning by Christians, and it can't mean there is no more condemnation for Christians that are not sinning.

They say this, because they also teach it is impossible not to be sinning on earth, and so the Scripture must be reassuring Christians, that though we are still sinning like the world in works of the flesh, we however are no more judged by the law and condemned by Christ like the world.

So, since God doesn't condemn us for sinning, it's because He doesn't condemn sinning by us, like He does other unbelieving sinners.

If God doesn't condemn it, then why should we? Why all this preaching against something, that God doesn't condemn anymore? Is it just for show?

I'm thinking it's just for show from time to time, to give a little lip service for righteousness' sake.

Simply put Rob, the wages sin pays is death. It condemns all of us, and therefore to date, every single person who has died has died because of it. You might find it interesting that we believe that those who survive through the great tribulation will not ever have to die. Do you have that same belief as well?
 

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Simply put Rob, the wages sin pays is death. It condemns all of us, and therefore to date, every single person who has died has died because of it. You might find it interesting that we believe that those who survive through the great tribulation will not ever have to die. Do you have that same belief as well?
Death by sin is the soul, not the body, which is created mortal.

Only souls in Christ Jesus never die, nor are in condemnation for not doing works of the flesh. Every mortal body will die, even as Jesus' did.
 

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Even as there is no transgression, where there is no law, there is no condemnation, where there is no sinning.

And so to say there is no condemnation for someone, is to say that someone has not sinned.

There is no condemnation for them not walking after the flesh; therefore, to say there is no condemnation for someone doing a work of the flesh, is to sin and then say they have not sinned.

If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

To sin with the flesh, and to deny we are condemned for it, is to sin and then deny we have sinned.

The OSAS doctrine of no condemnation for Christians while sinning in the flesh, teaches Christians to become the disobedient and rebellious, that refuse to acknowledge their sins to Jesus to be forgiven and reconciled to God.

It teaches Christians to sin unto death, while telling themselves they are not condemned like others.

If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

Such Christians cannot even be prayed for, because God can't help them. How can God forgive anyone their sins who refuses to confess sinning, because they say they are not condemned for it?

It also teaches Christians to say they are not sinning, while they are, because they tell themselves they are not condemned for it.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
 

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There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of
life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

The King James version embellished the Greek manuscript. The improper
part below is redacted.

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of
life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
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Death by sin is the soul, not the body, which is created mortal.

Only souls in Christ Jesus never die, nor are in condemnation for not doing works of the flesh. Every mortal body will die, even as Jesus' did.

A soul is a breathing creature Rob, that is the meaning of Nephesh. satan said you will not die, however Jehovah said you will, and He defines death in His word the Bible. Nothing lives on, but He also offers hope, with the resurrection sir.
 

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Souls began appearing in the Bible in the book of Genesis by the Hebrew
word nephesh (neh'-fesh) which isn't unique to human life.

Its first appearance is at Gen 1:20-21 in reference to aqua creatures and
winged creatures; again at Gen 1:24 as terra creatures; viz: cattle, creepy
crawlies, and wild beasts; and again in Gen 2:7 as the human creature; and
yet again at Gen 9:10 to classify every living thing aboard Noah's ark.

God has a soul. (Lev 26:11, Lev 26:30, Judg 10:16, Isa 42:1, Jer 32:41,
Zech 11:8, and Matt 12:18)

Jesus has a soul too. (Ps 16:8-10, Acts 2:25-31, and John 12:27)

Soul is somewhat ambiguous but basically refers to consciousness, self
awareness, and individuality. It's sometimes a reference to one's heart, e.g.
Gen 34:3, and to the core of one's being, e.g. Gen 27:4.
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The King James version embellished the Greek manuscript. The improper
part below is redacted.

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of
life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
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Erasing Scripture by manuscript squabbles is also a common tactic of created christ believers.
 

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If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

No condemnation for Christians while sinning, leads to searing the conscience about sinning, and teaches Christians that sinned, to say they have not sinned.

There is no transgression, where there is no law, and so where there is no condemnation, there is no sinning.

If God is not condemning a person for anything, it is only because we have not sinned.

So, if a man sins against God in a work of the flesh, and believes he is not condemned for it, then he is saying he has not sinned.

No person on earth that believes they are not condemned like others, when do the same as others, has any truth or soundness of mind in them.

They are telling God they are not condemned for doing so, and so God cannot convict them of sinning with the devil, whereby God must give up on them unto reprobation, so long as they believe that lying hypocrisy.

Why bother trying to convict a soul of sinning for forgiveness, when that soul refuses to believe he is condemned for sinning in the first place?
 

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Rom 8:1-3 . .There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in
Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free
from the law of sin and of death.

The freedom from condemnation is apparently positional, i.e. in Christ.

1 John 3:5 . . In him is no sin.

So; if interested folk want to know how to get "in" Christ: what should we
tell them, i.e. what's the procedure?
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Erasing Scripture by manuscript squabbles is also a common tactic of created christ
believers.

All scripture came about by means of inspiration, but unfortunately; not all
translations of scripture come about by means of inspiration. Translations
come about by means of scholars who have the rather human weakness of
slipping bias into their work. Caveat Lector.
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The passage below is deliberately misquoted for a purpose. Watch for the
revision.

Rom 8:1-2 . . There is therefore now no responsibility for those who are in
Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free
from the law of sin and of death.

There is a very big difference between responsibility and condemnation.

For example; when David committed the pre-meditated sins of murder and
adultery, God waived the death penalty while at the same time holding
David responsible for what He did, and got back at him in other ways.

Here's another passage misquoted for the same purpose.

John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who listen to my message, and believe in
God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be responsible for their
sins

Jesus' followers don't go to Hell for their sins, but that doesn't mean they
get to slide, no: depending upon the severity of their sins, they have to
expect consequences. For example:

When my brother and I were very young, we pelted my dad's old Hudson
sedan with eggs and made a terrible mess of it. Dad didn't call the cops on
us for vandalism, but instead got back at us in other ways and that's
because we were family; which always makes a difference in matters related
to crime and punishment.

1 John 3:1-2 . .Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on
us, that we should be called children of God! . . . Beloved, now we are
children of God
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There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Some Christians teach this Scripture means there is no more condemnation for sinning by Christians, and it can't mean there is no more condemnation for Christians that are not sinning.

They say this, because they also teach it is impossible not to be sinning on earth, and so the Scripture must be reassuring Christians, that though we are still sinning like the world in works of the flesh, we however are no more judged by the law and condemned by Christ like the world.

So, since God doesn't condemn us for sinning, it's because He doesn't condemn sinning by us, like He does other unbelieving sinners.

If God doesn't condemn it, then why should we? Why all this preaching against something, that God doesn't condemn anymore? Is it just for show?

I'm thinking it's just for show from time to time, to give a little lip service for righteousness' sake.
Sin always brings about unpleasant results - that's what makes it sin. For example, if I rob a bank, I go to prison.
 

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All scripture came about by means of inspiration, but unfortunately; not all
translations of scripture come about by means of inspiration. Translations
come about by means of scholars who have the rather human weakness of
slipping bias into their work. Caveat Lector.
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Which is why we ought confine ourselves to one single translation for our final authority from Christ, rather than skipping around, until we find a translation we like.

In any case, the point is simple: anyone who thinks they are not as condemned as others, while doing the same evil deed as they, has no truth in them and there is no hope to correct such delusion.

Any soul sinning with the devil, is of the devil at that time, and is in need of forgiveness and reconciliation with God as any other on earth: adultery by any name is still adultery, and anyone committing the act is called an adulterer, no matter what name they like to call themselves.

The Lord Jesus is not an unjust judge and respecter of persons, that plays favorites between transgressors of His law.

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There is a very big difference between responsibility and condemnation.

This is the notion that we are not condemned like others, but only suffer in the flesh. Every person on earth experiences the morning after, when drunken the night before, and every soul that sins, it shall die, whether Adam, Cain, you, or me.

This is also the delusional idea, that our souls are no more accountable for what our bodies do. Tell that one to the judge.

"Hey judge, it's not my fault anymore for what my body does, because I'm now Christian." "No problem, since it was your body that stole, then I'll send your body to jail. Whether you or your soul joins it there in the meantime, is entirely up to you."

This mystical teaching is what makes a laughingstock and mockery of the cross of Jesus and grace.

Thou therefore which teachest another, teachest thou not thyself? thou that preachest a man should not steal, dost thou steal? Thou that sayest a man should not commit adultery, dost thou commit adultery? thou that abhorrest idols, dost thou commit sacrilege? Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God? For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

OSAS grace is mocked the world over by any mature adult, and even a child knows it's a lie, though children who love it to be so. And there are such children who have it that way, when mommy or daddy is a corrupt judge.

.For example; when David committed the pre-meditated sins of murder and
adultery, God waived the death penalty while at the same time holding
David responsible for what He did, and got back at him in other ways._

You conveniently skip His whole confession with godly sorrow and repentance, which was the difference between Himself and King Saul, who did not repent and was destroyed on the battlefield after consulting a witch.

When you sin with the devil, your soul is just as dead to Christ as any other on earth, and you are not his special little cherub, that He should throw out judgment to excuse mommy's boy.

That is why we are to keep no company with Christian sinners like you, so that you may learn to repent rather than perish.

. John 5:24 . . I assure you, those who listen to my message, and believe in
God who sent me, have eternal life. They will never be responsible for their
sins

Nice little translation you made for yourself there. But the teaching is the same: those in Christ Jesus are not being condemned for sinning, nor are held responsible for sinning, because we are not sinning.

We are known by what we do, not by what we like to think of ourselves. OSAS is hippy Christianity: "I know I still do bad things, but my heart is still good."

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get to slide, no: depending upon the severity of their sins, they have to
expect consequences. For example:

When my brother and I were very young, we pelted my dad's old Hudson
sedan with eggs and made a terrible mess of it. Dad didn't call the cops on
us for vandalism, but instead got back at us in other ways and that's
because we were family; which always makes a difference in matters related
to crime and punishment.

Oh no, no sliding from judgement of God here, We get our hands slapped like little babies getting caught in the cookie jar.

You dad isn't God, and his way of 'getting back' at you is not the Lord's righteous judgment.

You can sin your soul away unto death all you want, and I have no thought of correcting you. As I said, anyone that can possibly believe their sin doesn't stink as bad as that of others, because it's sprinkled with grace perfume, has no truth within to reason with.

My only advice to you is to stop teaching others how to sin unto death.

Answering for ourselves is one thing, but corrupting others by teaching it, is worse.

But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
 

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Biblically speaking sin is viewed in two different ways:
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us 1John1:8
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 1John3:6-8
 

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Biblically speaking sin is viewed in two different ways:
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us 1John1:8
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.

7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 1John3:6-8
And so, we see that those sinning, who also say they have no sin, are liars and the truth is not in them. Teaching no condemnation for sinning results in such self-decpetion.
 

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And so, we see that those sinning, who also say they have no sin, are liars and the truth is not in them. Teaching no condemnation for sinning results in such self-decpetion.
If you asked nearly all christians if you had to be perfect in your flesh/sinless in order to be in a saved state, they would reply ''No'' for they know they are not sinless.(1John1:8) However, if you asked the same people if you could be in a saved state if you continued a lifestyle of sin once proclaiming to be saved, they would also respond ''No'' (1John3:5-8)
 

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If you asked nearly all christians if you had to be perfect in your flesh/sinless in order to be in a saved state, they would reply ''No'' for they know they are not sinless.(1John1:8) However, if you asked the same people if you could be in a saved state if you continued a lifestyle of sin once proclaiming to be saved, they would also respond ''No'' (1John3:5-8)
Very good, and so is the cunundrum. Those who accuse the righteous of being boastful and self-righteous, will never admit to sinning with the devil.

The antinomians that say the law is only kept by the self-righteous, will not admit to transgressing any commandment or point of law of Christ.

Those who say no one can live without doing works of the flesh, will never admit to doing any such unrighteous works.

In the end, there are some who know they are not as righteous as they ought to be, which many Christians aren't but can confess and be forgiven, but they go on to justify themselves by attacking doing righteousness at all times.
 

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Very good, and so is the cunundrum. Those who accuse the righteous of being boastful and self-righteous, will never admit to sinning with the devil.

The antinomians that say the law is only kept by the self-righteous, will not admit to transgressing any commandment or point of law of Christ.

Those who say no one can live without doing works of the flesh, will never admit to doing any such unrighteous works.

In the end, there are some who know they are not as righteous as they ought to be, which many Christians aren't but can confess and be forgiven, but they go on to justify themselves by attacking doing righteousness at all times.
Well only on the internet, never outside of it, have I come across anyone who claims to perfectly obey the letter of God's laws. Would you say it is sin not to obey Christ's commands in the gospels?