4 years are left until the year 6,000 and the return of Yeshua

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Nancy

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Only the Father knows.
I sometimes wonder if the reason that "not even the Son know the day or hour" is because God The Father has not spoken it yet. Jesus only does and acts upon what the Father say's/does...?
 
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Harold Camping, holding on line 2.

There's a queue forming. William Miller, Ellen White, Charles Taze, Herbert Armstrong--- all cut from the same cloth, Harold Camping as mentioned, -Chuck Smith and Chuck Missler of Calvary Chapel notoriety, oh and the black Nike bunch here in San Diego-- Marshall Applewhite and Heaven's Gate. There have been many others, all wrong.

You are the 15th caller in line. Please enjoy the music while your party is reached.
 

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When the Father does send the Son, the Son won’t be taking the bride to heaven.

The Son will be sitting on David’s throne in Jerusalem and the bride will be managing the earth with him.

“The government will be on his shoulders”
I believe there are two events, the rapture and the glorious appearing.
 

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There's a queue forming. William Miller, Ellen White, Charles Taze, Herbert Armstrong--- all cut from the same cloth, Harold Camping as mentioned, -Chuck Smith and Chuck Missler of Calvary Chapel notoriety, oh and the black Nike bunch here in San Diego-- Marshall Applewhite and Heaven's Gate. There have been many others, all wrong.

You are the 15th caller in line. Please enjoy the music while your party is reached.
I never saw where Chuck Missler predicted any dates for the rapture. I have his book on the rapture.
 

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I think the rapture will be in the twinkling of an eye. You are talking about the glorious appearing.

I only see one event.

In the classroom setting, some students expressed belief in Jesus making a U turn. Sometimes permanent; sometimes temporary. Those who held the temporary view called it “Go and go” [again].

Still others expressed their belief that Jesus isn’t coming back at all. Their thinking was that heaven is the place to be, there’s nothing left to come back here for.
 

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I never saw where Chuck Missler predicted any dates for the rapture. I have his book on the rapture.

Two peas in a pod. Chuck 1 wrote "End Times" in 1978. Big flop. Chuck 2 became infamous for his hyper-anxious false Y2K predictions. One Chuck sat under the other..... How much paper could two Chucks chuck?


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They produced- "Countdown to Eternity" together in 1997.
 

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I remember his quote whenever I read someone claim there is no reference to rapture in scripture.

''Some argue against the Rapture by saying the word doesn’t even appear in the Bible, but it does. As I’ve said, we have to read it in the Vulgate, the Latin version of the Bible. There the Greek word harpazo is translated rapiemur, the proper tense of rapio, the root of our English words “rapt” and “rapture.”

Rest in peace sir.


I never saw where Chuck Missler predicted any dates for the rapture. I have his book on the rapture.
 
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Two peas in a pod. Chuck 1 wrote "End Times" in 1978. Big flop. Chuck 2 became infamous for his hyper-anxious false Y2K predictions. One Chuck sat under the other..... How much paper could two Chucks chuck?


ENDTIMEScover-652x1024.jpg

They produced- "Countdown to Eternity" together in 1997.
A lot of people were wrong about Y2K. I still haven't seen anything where Chuck Missler set a date for the rapture. He had some weird fascinations with UFO's and the Nephilim but I never knew him to be a date setter.
 

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I only see one event.

In the classroom setting, some students expressed belief in Jesus making a U turn. Sometimes permanent; sometimes temporary. Those who held the temporary view called it “Go and go” [again].

Still others expressed their belief that Jesus isn’t coming back at all. Their thinking was that heaven is the place to be, there’s nothing left to come back here for.
Rev 19:7

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8

And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9


And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
 

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Rev 19:7

Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8

And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
Rev 19:9


And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

I always think about the messianic banquet when I read the story about Lazarus being in Abraham’s bosom.

The first time I made that connection was a lightbulb moment for me.
 
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I only see one event.

In the classroom setting, some students expressed belief in Jesus making a U turn. Sometimes permanent; sometimes temporary. Those who held the temporary view called it “Go and go” [again].

Still others expressed their belief that Jesus isn’t coming back at all. Their thinking was that heaven is the place to be, there’s nothing left to come back here for.
Rapture; John 14:1-3, Romans 8:19, 1 Corinthians 1:7-8, 1 Corinthians 15:51-53, 1 Corinthians 16:22
Second Coming; Daniel 2:44-45, Daniel 7:9-14, Matthew 13:41, Matthew 24:15-31, Mark 13:14-27
 

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There are many flawed arguments as to when the end of this present age will occur and that when this present age ends, then Christ will return.

We by my reckoning, the end of this present age will occur around 22 years from now. Yes, Christ will be fleetingly seen at that time as He comes for His Bride, Israel, who will repent and seek His terms of peace.

As for when Christ will return with all of the heavenly Hosts to judge the world, that is still in our distant future and will occur after the 1,000 years of Satan, his beasts and the kings of the earth have been imprisoned for 1,000 and the little while period is played out by Satan in a last ditched effort on his part to become "god."

There is a great lack in our understanding of God's redemption plan for mankind and those who will receive it.

Shalom
 

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Rapture; John 14:1-3, Romans 8:19, 1Corinthians 1:7-8, 1Corinthians 15:51-53, 1 Corinthians 16:22
Second Coming; Daniel 2:44-45, Daniel 7:9-14, Matthew 13:41, Matthew 24:15-31, Mark 13:14-27

Word. Parousia.
 

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And when it doesn't happen?
It's okay. Not expecting it to happen then. Would be nice. Would be nice if it happens today. I prefer the Biblical stance that no one knows when the Lord is going to return except for our Heavenly Father. I'm not sure why people seem to waste so much time trying to predict when that will be. Then they're proven wrong over and over again. You'd think they'd finally catch on, right?
 

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I remember his quote whenever I read someone claim there is no reference to rapture in scripture.

''Some argue against the Rapture by saying the word doesn’t even appear in the Bible, but it does. As I’ve said, we have to read it in the Vulgate, the Latin version of the Bible. There the Greek word harpazo is translated rapiemur, the proper tense of rapio, the root of our English words “rapt” and “rapture.”

Rest in peace sir.


Neat story, but it's only an association made by Jerome, who was translating from the Greek which doesn't say Rapture or "hapazo" but - ἁρπαγησόμεθα

It's a form of the Latin verb rapiō, which is translated "to catch up" or "take away" and the English noun is derived from it.

The exact same Latin verb is translated for the English words "rapids", "ravish", and "rape"-- all of which remain true to the understanding of being carried away forceably.
 

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A lot of people were wrong about Y2K. I still haven't seen anything where Chuck Missler set a date for the rapture. He had some weird fascinations with UFO's and the Nephilim but I never knew him to be a date setter.

I come from a Calvary Chapel background--- Missler got his start teaching bible studies at Cavalry Chapel in Costa Mesa during that very (1970's) timeframe when Chuck Smith was preaching his theory from the pulpit and he and Missler were ridiculing anyone who might doubt.
 

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Word. Parousia.
Parousia means:
. . . present presence, a being present, a coming to a place; presence, coming or arrival. A
technical term used of the coming of Christ (Matt 24:3; 1 Cor 15:23; 1 Thess 2:19; 2
Thess 2:8; 2 Pet 3:4; 1 John 2:28); the Son of Man (Matt 24:27, 37, 39); the Lord (1
Thess 3:13; 4:15; 5:23; 2 Thess 2:1; James 5:7-8; 2 Pet 1:16); the day of God (2 Pet
3:12). The term parousia refers to the Second Coming of the Lord, but the Second
Coming is not just one event taking place at a particular time. Rather it is made up of a
series of events. We can understand which event is referred to only by a careful
examination of the context in which the terms parousia or erchomai (to come) occur . . .
The coming of the Lord at the end of the seven-year tribulation period is what the Lord
describes in Matt 24:15-22, 32-34; Mark 13:14-23, 29-30 (cf. Luke 19:41-44; 21:20-23,
32-33; 23:28-30). The judgment of the Lord is designated as a specific coming by the
verb elthe, the aor. subjunctive of erchomai indicating that this specific coming is prior to
the final judgment of the world. This coming is also called apokalupsis, revelation (Rom
2:5; 8:19; 1 Cor 1:7; 1 Pet 1:7, 13; 4:13) and epiphaneia, manifestation (2 Thess 2:8; 1
Tim 6:14; 2 Tim 1:10; 4:1, 8; Titus 2:13). . . . Thus the coming of the Lord or His
parousia consists of several comings which are in reality stages of a continuous
process [emphasis added] (Zodhiates 1992:1123-4).
Erchomai means:
to come, to go, move or pass along, intrans. in any direction, as marked by the adjuncts or
often simply by the context. The forms from elthon, the 2d aor., however, more
frequently signify “to come” . . . in a fut. sense, apparently, but only of what is certain to
take place (John 4:25; 14:3, 30; Rev 1:7) . . . the One who was (or had been) and the
coming One (Rev 1:4, 8; 4:8) . . . epi, upon, with the gen. of thing, implying rest upon
(Matt 24:30, “upon the clouds” [a.t.]) In the sense of to come again, back, to return, . . .
Two of its many derivatives; eleusis, advent, coming; katerchomai, to come down;
(Zodhiates1992:656-8).
Erchomenon, the noun form of erchomai, is also translated “coming or arrival” (The
Online Greek Bible: “erchomenon”). Two of the three other Greek words used in the
New Testament in association with the Second Coming were mentioned above in the
definition of parousia: epiphaneia and apokalupsis. The third is phaneroo, meaning, “to
make apparent, manifest, known, show openly” (Zodhiates 1992:1435) - (Hebert
2006c:19-21).
Another term that relates to the Parousia is maranatha. This word is a Greek
transliteration of two Aramaic words: maran, meaning lord, and atha, meaning has come. The
only place that the word appears in the Bible is in 1 Corinthians 16:22. However, it is alluded to
in Revelation 22:20 and mentioned in The Didache 10:6 (The New Testament Greek-English Dictionary 1990, 14:112-13). Other definitions for maranatha are as follows: “our Lord has come,” indicating the approaching judgment when the Lord returns (Zodhiates1992:943); “the Lord cometh or the Lord is come,” a reminder of the Second Coming—see also The Didache 10, as a Communion prayer, and compare with Revelation 22:20—(Vincent 1991, 3:289); mare, lord of man or of God, and atha, come (Brown 1979:1101, 1083); “our Lord, come!”—see also Revelation 22:20 (Ryrie 1978:1751), 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, and Jude 14-16 for judgment on unbelievers, 2 Peter 2:9 for day of judgment, Revelation 1:3; 22:7, 12, 20 for “Lord, come quickly,” Acts 1:11, Matthew 16:27, Daniel 7:13, Zechariah 14:5 for “come in like manner,” and Philippians 4:5, 2 Timothy 4:8, Revelation 1:3 for “the Lord is at hand” (Johns 1978:960-1, 1400-1, 1326-8, 628-9). Considering all this information, it appears that maranatha is an exclamatory statement used by the apostles as an encouragement to the Church; meaning, Lord Jesus, come! and referred to the Parousia. Therefore, when considering all the terms related to the Second Coming or Advent of Christ and all events related to it (including the Rapture of the Church), parousia is the most commonly used word to describe all that they entail and will be used from this point forward to convey that concept. Please note that the term, Apocalyptic Gospel, may be used to express the same thought as Eschatological Gospel. However, due to the above definition of apokalupsis and the connotation of the “Apocalypse of John” or the Book of Revelation in the Bible, Eschatological Gospel remains the term best used to convey the concept outlined by this thesis and will be used henceforth.
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