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Matthias

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Parousia means:
. . . present presence, a being present, a coming to a place; presence, coming or arrival. A
technical term used of the coming of Christ (Matt 24:3; 1 Cor 15:23; 1 Thess 2:19; 2
Thess 2:8; 2 Pet 3:4; 1 John 2:28); the Son of Man (Matt 24:27, 37, 39); the Lord (1
Thess 3:13; 4:15; 5:23; 2 Thess 2:1; James 5:7-8; 2 Pet 1:16); the day of God (2 Pet
3:12). The term parousia refers to the Second Coming of the Lord, but the Second
Coming is not just one event taking place at a particular time. Rather it is made up of a
series of events. We can understand which event is referred to only by a careful
examination of the context in which the terms parousia or erchomai (to come) occur . . .
The coming of the Lord at the end of the seven-year tribulation period is what the Lord
describes in Matt 24:15-22, 32-34; Mark 13:14-23, 29-30 (cf. Luke 19:41-44; 21:20-23,
32-33; 23:28-30). The judgment of the Lord is designated as a specific coming by the
verb elthe, the aor. subjunctive of erchomai indicating that this specific coming is prior to
the final judgment of the world. This coming is also called apokalupsis, revelation (Rom
2:5; 8:19; 1 Cor 1:7; 1 Pet 1:7, 13; 4:13) and epiphaneia, manifestation (2 Thess 2:8; 1
Tim 6:14; 2 Tim 1:10; 4:1, 8; Titus 2:13). . . . Thus the coming of the Lord or His
parousia consists of several comings which are in reality stages of a continuous
process [emphasis added] (Zodhiates 1992:1123-4).
Erchomai means:
to come, to go, move or pass along, intrans. in any direction, as marked by the adjuncts or
often simply by the context. The forms from elthon, the 2d aor., however, more
frequently signify “to come” . . . in a fut. sense, apparently, but only of what is certain to
take place (John 4:25; 14:3, 30; Rev 1:7) . . . the One who was (or had been) and the
coming One (Rev 1:4, 8; 4:8) . . . epi, upon, with the gen. of thing, implying rest upon
(Matt 24:30, “upon the clouds” [a.t.]) In the sense of to come again, back, to return, . . .
Two of its many derivatives; eleusis, advent, coming; katerchomai, to come down;
(Zodhiates1992:656-8).
Erchomenon, the noun form of erchomai, is also translated “coming or arrival” (The
Online Greek Bible: “erchomenon”). Two of the three other Greek words used in the
New Testament in association with the Second Coming were mentioned above in the
definition of parousia: epiphaneia and apokalupsis. The third is phaneroo, meaning, “to
make apparent, manifest, known, show openly” (Zodhiates 1992:1435) - (Hebert
2006c:19-21).
Another term that relates to the Parousia is maranatha. This word is a Greek
transliteration of two Aramaic words: maran, meaning lord, and atha, meaning has come. The
only place that the word appears in the Bible is in 1 Corinthians 16:22. However, it is alluded to
in Revelation 22:20 and mentioned in The Didache 10:6 (The New Testament Greek-English Dictionary 1990, 14:112-13). Other definitions for maranatha are as follows: “our Lord has come,” indicating the approaching judgment when the Lord returns (Zodhiates1992:943); “the Lord cometh or the Lord is come,” a reminder of the Second Coming—see also The Didache 10, as a Communion prayer, and compare with Revelation 22:20—(Vincent 1991, 3:289); mare, lord of man or of God, and atha, come (Brown 1979:1101, 1083); “our Lord, come!”—see also Revelation 22:20 (Ryrie 1978:1751), 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, and Jude 14-16 for judgment on unbelievers, 2 Peter 2:9 for day of judgment, Revelation 1:3; 22:7, 12, 20 for “Lord, come quickly,” Acts 1:11, Matthew 16:27, Daniel 7:13, Zechariah 14:5 for “come in like manner,” and Philippians 4:5, 2 Timothy 4:8, Revelation 1:3 for “the Lord is at hand” (Johns 1978:960-1, 1400-1, 1326-8, 628-9). Considering all this information, it appears that maranatha is an exclamatory statement used by the apostles as an encouragement to the Church; meaning, Lord Jesus, come! and referred to the Parousia. Therefore, when considering all the terms related to the Second Coming or Advent of Christ and all events related to it (including the Rapture of the Church), parousia is the most commonly used word to describe all that they entail and will be used from this point forward to convey that concept. Please note that the term, Apocalyptic Gospel, may be used to express the same thought as Eschatological Gospel. However, due to the above definition of apokalupsis and the connotation of the “Apocalypse of John” or the Book of Revelation in the Bible, Eschatological Gospel remains the term best used to convey the concept outlined by this thesis and will be used henceforth.

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Parousia isn’t a U turn event for the dignitary. The people go out to meet the dignitary and escort him on to his destination.

When Jesus gets the Go code from God, he’s coming; we will meet him in the air, and escort him the rest of the way to the earth.
 

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Some good, some not so good in your source. What is your source?

Parousia isn’t a U turn event for the dignitary. The people go out to meet the dignitary and escort him on to his destination.

When Jesus gets the Go code from God, he’s coming; we will meet him in the air, and escort him the rest of the way to the earth.
Whole Leaders For The Whole World I added the link to the post but you replied before I got it posted. It's not my material. That link is no longer working, try this one 1.2.6 SecondCom-Parousia.pdf
 
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I come from a Calvary Chapel background--- Missler got his start teaching bible studies at Cavalry Chapel in Costa Mesa during that very (1970's) timeframe when Chuck Smith was preaching his theory from the pulpit and he and Missler were ridiculing anyone who might doubt.
Yet you approve of Kent Hovind.
 

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Yet you approve of Kent Hovind.

Unlike the Chucks, I've never met Kent Hovind. I know the Calvary Chapel folks first hand. We used to attend Horizon in San Diego, go to Harvest Crusades, concerts and conferences. I only know Hovind based on the vids I've watched of his with respect to what they teach kids in school, so as far as me approving of "him" - I haven't. What I've said is that he does a good job of exposing the lies they teach kids with respect to evolution.

Missler would get particularly goofy around the whole UFO paranoia, supposed Bible codes, and a host of other quasi-science nonsense including his Y2K rabbit trail that led to no rabbit.
 

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Unlike the Chucks, I've never met Kent Hovind. I know the Calvary Chapel folks first hand. We used to attend Horizon in San Diego, go to Harvest Crusades, concerts and conferences. I only know Hovind based on the vids I've watched of his with respect to what they teach kids in school, so as far as me approving of "him" - I haven't. What I've said is that he does a good job of exposing the lies they teach kids with respect to evolution.

Missler would get particularly goofy around the whole UFO paranoia, supposed Bible codes, and a host of other quasi-science nonsense including his Y2K rabbit trail that led to no rabbit.
He did have some strange theories about UFOs and Nephilim. Y2K was over before I heard of him. I never had much interest in Bible codes so I never read any of that stuff
 

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I hope you're right! Jesus can't come back soon enough for me..

He'll come when the last Gentile that is going to be born again, is born again.
Maybe you or someone on this Forum will be the very one who leads that last one to the Cross, and the rest of us into the Sky., Dhh712.
If its you, i'll find you in Glory and give you a bear hug.
 

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He did have some strange theories about UFOs and Nephilim. Y2K was over before I heard of him. I never had much interest in Bible codes so I never read any of that stuff

Dint get me wrong- agreeing with any of them on some points and disagreeing with them on others is neither endorsing or rejecting any of them. I’m only speaking f about particular ideas. I like Hovind’s view on the origins question. I think he’s a nut on YE. And I think that Calvary Chapels were full of good honest, well meaning folk who I similarly agree with on many points, but not all. It’s a big tent (Christianity is) with room for many perspectives.
 
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Dint get me wrong- agreeing with any of them on some points and disagreeing with them on others is neither endorsing or rejecting any of them. I’m only speaking f about particular ideas. I like Hovind’s view on the origins question. I think he’s a nut on YE. And I think that Calvary Chapels were full of good honest, well meaning folk who I similarly agree with on many points, but not all. It’s a big tent (Christianity is) with room for many perspectives.
I liked the way YECs like AIG refuted evolution and radiometric dating. The Answers books are well written and I was really interested in them. But after looking into them I found their claims were based on scant evidence and sometimes deceptive. When you talk to people who have a background in science or geology they make short work of most of their claims. The RATE Project is one example where they intentionally mislead people with their findings.
 

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I never had much interest in Bible codes …

In hindsight, my use of “code” in post #41 looks now like a poor choice of word.

I’m still learning you. I’ll try to make a mental note.
 

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In hindsight, my use of “code” in post #41 looks now like a poor choice of word.

I’m still learning you. I’ll try to make a mental note.
As long as your not talking about equidistant word searches. I heard they found all kinds of codes in Moby Dick using that technique.
 
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Some good, some not so good in your source. What is your source?

Parousia isn’t a U turn event for the dignitary. The people go out to meet the dignitary and escort him on to his destination.

When Jesus gets the Go code from God, he’s coming; we will meet him in the air, and escort him the rest of the way to the earth.
Why are we doing a U- turn? Why meet him in the air just to come back down?
 
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Why are we doing a U- turn? Why meet him in the air just to come back down?

That’s an outstanding question.

Because that’s how eager we are to be with his majesty, the messianic king. When we see him coming, we run to meet him.

Our reward is with him. We have a job - a government job - to do with him. That job is here, not in the highest heaven. See the parable in Luke 19:11-27.

P.S.

1 Corinthians 6:2. When I see “judge” in the passage it brings government administration, management, to my mind. It reminds me of the judges of Israel.
 
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That’s an outstanding question.

Because that’s how eager we are to be with his majesty, the messianic king. When we see him coming, we run to meet him.

Our reward is with him. We have a job - a government job - to do with him. That job is here, not in the highest heaven. See the parable in Luke 19:11-27.

P.S.

1 Corinthians 6:2. When I see “judge” in the passage it brings government administration, management, to my mind. It reminds me of the judges of Israel.
Perhaps the "'U Turn is Him preparing us to fight the wicked, and of course the Antichrist...Just a thought.
 

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Perhaps the "'U Turn is Him preparing us to fight the wicked, and of course the Antichrist...Just a thought.

Thank you. That causes me to think.

Here’s another thought: He’s preparing us here and now for what’s barreling down on us.

What I see in scripture is the saints (all believers, not the Roman Catholic concept of saints) who are living in the days of the AC being overcome, martyred, by the AC.

Not a very happy thought just before bedtime, eh?

@RLT63 an you tell that I’ve been reading Tertullian?
 

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Thank you. That causes me to think.

Here’s another thought: He’s preparing us here and now for what’s barreling down on us.

What I see in scripture is the saints (all believers, not the Roman Catholic concept of saints) who are living in the days of the AC being overcome, martyred, by the AC.

Not a very happy thought just before bedtime, eh?

@RLT63 an you tell that I’ve been reading Tertullian?
Revelation 6:9-11 are these souls in Heaven?